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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby NeonLX » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:16 pm

End the Fed.
The Rothschild family has far too much influence on the world economies.
The Israeli government is a gang of murderous thugs.

Shit. Now I'm in the Alt-Right.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby yathrib » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:38 pm

Does anyone even know if the Rothschilds have influence anymore? And where's the sense in assuming anyone born into a certain family has the Evil Gene?
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby 82_28 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:04 pm

yathrib » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:38 am wrote:Does anyone even know if the Rothschilds have influence anymore? And where's the sense in assuming anyone born into a certain family has the Evil Gene?


Well, we're still talking about them so clearly so. What that means I don't know just that one way or the other there is influence. Honestly I know next to nothing about any of it. I just know that name continually comes up.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:13 pm

By the same token, the Easter Bunny has lots of influence, too- but that does not mean that she/he/it is running the world...
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby PufPuf93 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:15 pm

82_28 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 12:04 pm wrote:
yathrib » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:38 am wrote:Does anyone even know if the Rothschilds have influence anymore? And where's the sense in assuming anyone born into a certain family has the Evil Gene?


Well, we're still talking about them so clearly so. What that means I don't know just that one way or the other there is influence. Honestly I know next to nothing about any of it. I just know that name continually comes up.


There are still prominent Rothschilds.

One is a close friend of Hillary Clinton and the Clinton family in general.

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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby 82_28 » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:22 pm

I hate to say it but I am indeed friends with a family who are good friends with the Clintons.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:29 pm

yathrib » Mon Aug 29, 2016 1:38 pm wrote:Does anyone even know if the Rothschilds have influence anymore? And where's the sense in assuming anyone born into a certain family has the Evil Gene?


They absolutely still have influence, but they hardly have primary agency. We're talking about a family, networked for generations in powerful cities around the world, who are collectively worth something between a quarter and a half of a trillion dollars.

I'm wrong about that -- we're talking about families -- most of the Rothschild conspiracy material in English centers on the London branch. There were four others, per the original Five Sons business model of Mayer.

Still, a trillion ain't worth what it used to be: not just inflation, but competition. They're also intermarried into a lot of the competition, as is the way of the world. Du Pont, Oppenheim, Warburg, Guinness, Borghese -- even Hilton, LMFAO.

(The modern John Birchers here in Vermont gun shops seem to have it an article faith; that the Rockefellers were the Rothschild's "agents" here in the United States.)

There are a number of currently breathing Rothschilds who are public figures of some import. The most frequently invoked is Jacob, a doddering old putz of a thing who is buddies with Kissinger. Their banks are still a going concern.

For the past century, there's been a lot of billionaires. They've primarily engaged with politics to ensure the system that made them billionaires keep functioning smoothly. In this sense, the nefarious conspiracies of the Rothschild clan of yore are superfluous, sand on a beach. Everyone on Wall Street wants the same thing. (A lot of them are smarter & harder working than the Rothschild kids, too.)

The Rothschilds were big supporters of Israel, too, and again, there's a lot of powerful voices in that chorus now. They don't need to pull strings, they don't need to direct the actors. They just collect interest & collect art.

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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:33 pm

Via: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/ ... alt-right/

At 9 p.m. Eastern on Thursday night, Google searches for the term “alt right” were at peak popularity: more people were entering the search term at that point than ever before in internet history, as determined by Google’s tracking metrics. This was an easily predictable consequence of Hillary Clinton earlier in the day choosing to take the once-unthinkable step of coming right out and directly denouncing the “movement” by name, thrilling its adherents and accelerating wider public interest in their purported beliefs. It was a stunning development. That Hillary would have crafted an entire nationally televised speech around attacking the group—an amorphous, loosely amalgamated online phenomenon whose organizing principle is evidently to torment Twitter personalities with deranged and frequently racist meme-blasts—boggles the mind.

Hillary left no doubt that she was aiming her remarks specifically at the nebulous, trollish provocateurs, because she used the exact phrasing the trolls use themselves: “alt-right” is a neologism they proudly coined and bandy about routinely to distinguish themselves from other, more milquetoast right-wingers. The tactical calculation was notable in that Hillary need not have explicitly gone after the “alt-right” in order to accomplish her ostensible goal of tethering Donald Trump to the unsavory populist elements that have coalesced around him. She could have raised the specter of such groups and elucidated their repellent ideological features (to the extent that these groups have any ideology) without giving them an epic signal boost.

Their response, naturally, was jubilation. Leading lights of the burgeoning “movement” could hardly contain their ecstasy, with many thanking Hillary profusely for heightening their profile beyond anything they ever could have imagined. Once confined to a relatively niche subset of internet inhabitants dwelling in obscure forums and chats, the group has now attained a level of prominence such that they are being “called out” by the Democratic presidential nominee, and this could not bring them greater joy.

For one thing, they see their incendiary tactics as having been vindicated. “Alt-right” devotees are known for engaging in outrageous conduct on social media, namely Twitter—barraging perceived enemies with racist iconography, trolling assiduously, and indulging in other forms of relentless irritancy. The reason one behaves provocatively is generally to provoke a reaction, and provoke a reaction they now have—on a grand scale. Elevating the “alt-right” will feed their in-group notions about having some special ability to control wider societal discourse, as if they alone possess the magic keys to unlock the secret mechanisms lurking behind the national conversation. This phantasm will inevitably draw in new converts, hugely amplifying their delusions of grandeur.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby brainpanhandler » Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:34 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Mon Aug 29, 2016 2:29 pm wrote:
Any narrative with a single villain is cheap entertainment.


Or worse.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby norton ash » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:10 pm

For one thing, they see their incendiary tactics as having been vindicated. “Alt-right” devotees are known for engaging in outrageous conduct on social media, namely Twitter—barraging perceived enemies with racist iconography, trolling assiduously, and indulging in other forms of relentless irritancy. The reason one behaves provocatively is generally to provoke a reaction, and provoke a reaction they now have—on a grand scale. Elevating the “alt-right” will feed their in-group notions about having some special ability to control wider societal discourse, as if they alone possess the magic keys to unlock the secret mechanisms lurking behind the national conversation. This phantasm will inevitably draw in new converts, hugely amplifying their delusions of grandeur.


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:41 pm

Philly Cop Exposed as Neo-Nazi After BLM Protest Photos Emerge

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"God and Country": The peace officer was a big fan of World War II regalia and fascist iconography. | Photo: Evan P. Matthews (left) / Philly Antifa (right)

Published 1 September 2016 (2 hours 32 minutes ago)

The photos revealed that the officer had left the force prior to resurfacing in uniform at a Black Lives Matter protest.
Photos surfaced Wednesday on social media showing Philadelphia police officer Ian Hans Lichtermann displaying his Nazi tattoo while working the #BlackResistanceMarch during the Democratic National Convention in July. After the photos were posted, local activists discovered that the officer had previously been exposed as a member of a neo-Nazi organization who had quit the force, only to resurface in uniform once again at the anti-police brutality rally.

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In the photos that led to the discovery, the police officer had a large tattoo of an eagle and the familiar Nazi symbol, with German-style text reading “Fatherland” on his left forearm.

The photo showed the officer, identified as Lichterman based on his name patch, tattooed with an assault rifle and a U.S. flag on his right forearm accompanied by the text “For God and Country”—the motto of the American Legion, a U.S. veterans' organization that openly supported fascism prior to the Second World War.

The photos, taken during the DNC, were shared by Evan P. Mathews and dated July 28, 2016. In the accompanying captions, the Philadelphia police officer is identified as Ian Hans Lichterman.

The post also noted that among the tattoos, an Iron Cross was visible. The Iron Cross was an award that Hitler received during his service to the German Empire in the First World War that was also given to Nazi soldiers during World War II.

"The imagery on display in the tweet is disturbing," said Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney in a statement Thursday. "In this environment—in which open, honest dialogue between citizens and police is paramount—we need to be building trust, not offering messages or displaying images that destroy trust."

The police department said it will investigate the photo and added it "does not condone anything that can be interpreted as offensive, hateful or discriminatory in any form," but the president of the Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 5, John McNesby, said it's "Not a big deal."

"I see people with panthers on their arm. Doesn't mean they are Black Panthers. People with crosses on arms doesn't mean they dislike any other religion," he said.


The march where the photos were taken was held in solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement and was meant to counter the oppression of Black people and other people of color by police forces and the state. The action was organized by community groups including the Philly Coalition for REAL Justice and the Workers World Party.

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The post explained that Lichterman was part of a detail of around 100 police officers who blocked intersections in Philadelphia during the protest march.

After the photos were circulated online, a local antifascist blog noted that a 2010 hack of neo-Nazi websites exposed Lichterman as a member of Blood and Honour, a network of neofascist white supremacist organizations founded by Ian Stuart, frontman for U.K. skinhead band Skrewdriver.
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In social media posts, the Philadelphia peace officer made no secret of his dislike for Solicalsts (sic) | Photo: Flickr / Panzerhund0311

According to Philly Antifa, Lichterman – an ex-marine – left the Philly police following the exposure of his fascist activity. Lichtermen then worked as a privately-contracted mercenary in the Middle East before returning to the force and resurfacing at the DNC protest.

The blog also posted damning photos depicting the Philadelphia officer's fondness for Third Reich militaria. In the photos, Lichterman can be seen cosplaying, alongside fellow hobbyists, in Waffen-SS uniforms. The photos, along with various hard-right memes, were posted to his Flickr page under his account name – Panzerhund0311 (a German portmanteau that translates to "Tank-dog").

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Ian Hans Lichterman (left) with 2 fellow Nazi reeanactment-hobbyist comrades. | Photo: Philly Antifa

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Lichterman (far right) and his fellow WWII enthusiasts reenact a Third Reich ceremony | Photo: Philly Antifa

The discovery has led to outrage online, with many Philadelphia residents questioning Lichterman's employment with the Philly PD while noting the poor track record of police-community relations and the brutal treatment meted out toward the city's neighborhoods of color.

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The discovery comes months after Lorne Ahrens, one of 5 Dallas police officers slain by lone gunman Micah Xavier Johnson, was also discovered to have been an aficionado of fascist and neo-Nazi iconography and tattoos. The late officer, a former member of the notorious Los Angeles Sheriff's Department gang the Lynwood Vikings, was also a fan of the types of right-wing memes posted to Lichterman's social media accounts.

A leader of the White Lives Matter Group recently wrote that she wished that “Hitler were alive and well today.” The group was classified as a hate group by the Southern Law Poverty Center, a hate-group monitoring organization.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:46 pm

Meet the Borderkeepers of Alabama
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August 24, 2016

A vigilante anti-immigrant group called the Borderkeepers of Alabama is sending teams of men clad in camouflage and equipped with thousands of dollars in military weaponry to patrol for undocumented immigrants in Arizona and New Mexico.

The group, which has been operating since at least 2014, claims as many as eight volunteer “teams” of "redblooded Americans" who, it says, "travel to border towns to work closely with local residents and governmental agencies to limit illegal transient activity." It is one of the latest groups in the nativist extremist movement, which peaked in 2010 and has diminished dramatically since then, to engage in armed citizen border patrols.

Although the Borderkeepers says its mission is to “secure our nation’s border” against undocumented immigrants and drug smugglers, some of its members would like to go far beyond that. In a comment left on a fellow group member’s post some two years ago, an Irvington, Ala. man who goes by the name “Jon Anderson,” proposed massive violence. “Need 240 bravo’s mounted every 100 yards and shoot everybody who tries to force their way in,” he wrote. The M240 Bravo is a machine gun that can fire nearly 16 bullets per second and rip through targets 1,200 yards away.

Another member, identifying himself as Wesley Vance of Montgomery, Ala., said earlier this year that he had travelled some 2,500 miles to join the antigovernment occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. Twenty-seven of those occupiers were arrested after a 41-day standoff and now face federal felony conspiracy charges. Vance was apparently not one of them.

“Crying fuckin shame the feds are going to investigate the feds,” Vance wrote on March 8, referring to a probe of the apparently justified police killing of Lavoy Finicum, an occupation spokesman who tried to draw a gun on arresting officers. “They murdered lavoy is the bottom line. Shot the man three times in the back. I wish the fuckin faggots would come to my house!” A few days earlier, he wrote that “patriots are so oppressed and scared of the government, they are scared they will die.” In his own case, Vance boasted that he would “DIE BEFORE I GET ON MY KNEES AND BOW DOWN TO THEM AND LIVE IN FEAR.”
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Vance (right) poses with Pete Santilli, a well-known antigovernment mouthpiece who was among those charged with conspiracy and other crimes following the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge near Burns, Ore. The photograph was posted to Vance’s Facebook page on January 24, 2016.
A poster who apparently is not a Borderkeepers member responded to Vance’s comments: “All this country needs are about 100,000 patriots to arm up and start killing off some of these fucktard liberals!”

“Agreed,” Vance replied.

Although it’s unclear how many people have joined the group's border patrols, its closed Facebook page lists 1,076 members, most of them people in working-class jobs in Alabama and other southern states. One of them, however, is Young Boozer, a Donald Trump supporter who is also the elected treasurer of Alabama. His listing as a Borderkeepers member links back to Boozer’s personal Facebook page.

The group has managed to stop at least some border crossers at gunpoint. In an August 2016 Facebook post, Jimmy “Bull” Bonham, an administrator of the group’s Facebook page, said that members had managed to detain two out of a group of four drug smugglers. He wrote that the “bp” — the Border Patrol — had then taken “140 pounds of dope” that the Borderkeepers had apparently seized from the men. It is unclear how closely the Border Patrol may have worked with the Borderkeepers.

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"Jon Anderson" posted a photo of himself in a police uniform while appearing to be sitting in a squad car in late July. The photo was since removed from his Facebook page.
But the group, many of whose members appear to engage in serious military training, may have connections to others in law enforcement. In April, Anderson posted a photo of an application to a police department in southern Alabama. He has since posted photos of himself in uniform and in a squad car, suggesting that he was indeed hired. A few other members of the group’s Facebook page list connections to law enforcement agencies, but these alleged ties have not been verified.

Early on in the group’s operations, in 2014, it was working out of a patrol base in Brownsville, Texas, known as “Camp Lone Star.” But in August of that year, camp boss Kevin “KC” Massey was arrested for being a convicted felon in possession of firearms. The camp closed, and Borderkeepers operations moved to the west.
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Brian "Geezer" Henderson (left) with Jerry "Ghost" Karl on a border operation. Henderson was tagged in this photo by a fellow Borderkeeper on April 18, 2016.
Locals do not remember Camp Lone Star fondly. The owner of the property told reporters that he regretted loaning it, and said participants “jeopardized my safety.” Another local resident told the Texas Observer earlier that the group “makes us feel less safe, not more safe,” and added, “I just hope they leave soon.”

Despite all the military equipment and tough talk, Borderkeepers operations do not always go very professionally. According to posts on the group’s Facebook page, a member named Brian Keith Henderson — a Tuscaloosa, Ala., man who “liked” Anderson’s post about turning the border into a kill zone — mistook a cactus plant for some kind of threat. “What the hell is that?” he reportedly yelled before training his assault rifle of the wholly innocent cactus and very nearly blasting it to smithereens.

Henderson was kicked out of the group as a result. Henderson, whose writings make clear that he subscribes to the radical antigovernment “sovereign citizens” movement, now leads the Three Percent United Patriots of Alabama. Many members of that group are also members of the Borderkeepers Facebook group.
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Henderson exposes his sovereign citizen leanings in one of several 2014 posts to his Facebook page.
The apparent leader of the Borderkeepers of Alabama is Ron “Cornbread” Stone, one of its Facebook page administrators and the primary organizer of its border teams. Other principals are also Facebook moderators, including a woman who identifies herself as Lisa Marie and Bonham. The group’s Facebook page asks that donations be sent to “A.D. Vance” of Clanton, Ala.

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Ron “Cornbread” Stone (left) and Jimmy “Bull” Bonham posing for a photograph during a border operation. The photo was posted to Ron Stone's Facebook page on July 24, 2016.
The nativist extremist movement of which the Borderkeepers is a part began around 2005 and swelled to some 319 groups, many of which used “Minutemen” as part of their names, by 2010. Since then, it has declined to some 20 groups. That is largely because much of the movement’s fire was stolen by state legislatures that passed harsh anti-immigrant laws like those of Arizona and Alabama. Donald Trump’s more recent attacks on immigrants have had a similar effect.

Jerry “Ghost” Karl, an Arizona militia leader who leads Borderkeepers operations in Arizona, put it like this to a reporter with WIAT-TV of Birmingham: “Trump talks about building a wall. Well, we’re that wall right now.”
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:47 pm

A Guided Tour of the Racist ‘Alt-Right,’ by the Trump Campaign Chief’s Website


Rather than giving one definition of the alt-right, the Breitbart article chooses to describe it piece by piece. Let’s put the pieces together and see what kind of picture it makes.

“The Intellectuals”: These, according to Breitbart, are what separates the alt-right “above all else” from “from old-school racist skinheads (to whom they are often idiotically compared)”: They “are a much smarter group of people…. They’re dangerously bright.”

First noted among these geniuses is Richard Spencer, whose AlternativeRight.com website is described as hosting “an eclectic mix of renegades who objected to the established political consensus in some form or another.” The hategroup-tracking Southern Poverty Law Center describes him as “one of the country’s most successful young white nationalist leaders,” who’s prone to saying things like, “Our dream is a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans.” He rejects the word “racist” because it’s “pejorative,” but “the notion that these people can be equal is not a scientific way of looking at it.”

Other alt-right thought leaders cited by Breitbart include “Steve Sailer’s blog, VDARE and American Renaissance.” “All of these websites have been accused of racism,” the article notes—which makes sense, because they’re all dedicated to promoting the pseudo-science of racial superiority (Extra!, 3–4/05).

Sailer, the piece notes, “helped spark the ‘human biodiversity’ movement, a group of bloggers and researchers who strode eagerly into the minefield of scientific race differences.” An example of this minefield-striding would be Sailer’s assertion that African-Americans “tend to possess poorer native judgment than members of better-educated groups. Thus they need stricter moral guidance from society.”

The alt-right’s intellectual leaders also include the self-styled “Neoreactionaries,” who come out of a web community called LessWrong that “urged its community members to think like machines rather than humans.” Among the tenets of this subculture are that “egalitarianism flew in the face of every piece of research on hereditary intelligence,” and that “asking people to see each other as human beings rather than members of a demographic in-group…ignored every piece of research on tribal psychology.”

There are a few other currents mentioned—like the “online ‘manosphere,’ the nemeses of left-wing feminism”—but for the most part the influential thinkers of the alt-right movement cited by Breitbart, the self-declared “platform for the alt-right,” are people who would be called “racists” by anyone who wasn’t concerned that that word unfairly stigmatizes those who believe their race is better than others.
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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby American Dream » Fri Sep 02, 2016 3:36 pm

IGDCAST: PEAK ALT-RIGHT AND GLOBALIZING ANTIFA


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In this episode of IGDCAST, we catch up with IGD contributor Ben Jones to talk about white nationalism, the Alternative Right, and antifa. We discuss several recent articles that touch on the the Alt-Right as well as the coming to prominence of white nationalism in the political mainstream through the media and what this means for revolutionaries.

Jones argues the greatest danger lies in the coming together of the Patriot movement and white nationalists, and goes on to discuss the various far-Right formations in the Pacific Northwest. We then go on to talk about how anti-fascists could evolve over the coming months and years, as Jones argues against putting too much importance into who will be elected, but instead, what issues white nationalists will attach themselves to in order to gain inroads into the white working-class. The conversations ends with some ideas on how anti-fascism could evolve, as well as thinking about how anarchists and anti-racists could interact with gun culture.


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Re: The “Alternative Right"

Postby Jerky » Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:11 am

82_28 » 29 Aug 2016 19:22 wrote:I hate to say it but I am indeed friends with a family who are good friends with the Clintons.


Among the cleanest and best-intentioned politicians in post-war American history, with maybe Jimmy Carter and Barrack Obama coming ahead of them. 95% of the criticisms made against them are the product of a ferociously cult-like mentality and have nothing to do with reality, and the other 5%, when compared with the antics of their enemies, are entirely forgivable.

I imagine Bill Clinton is among the world's greatest dinner companions, to this day. I realize this is a liberal variation on the conservative "I'd like to have a beer with that guy" argument, but unlike my theoretical conservative interlocutor, my wish to break bread with the man is NOT the reason why I'd would have voted for him if I could.

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