Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Sounder » Wed Feb 17, 2016 11:40 am

When you or anyone else uses those words to describe refugees it prejudices the person listening or reading that word. it frames the refugees as a threat and a willing one at that. As if they have some agency in the process...


It depends on the context. McCains use is of course manipulative and demeaning. I assume he is the same McCain photographed in group pictures with known Syrian mercenaries. They are the heartless ones that are doing the deed, not the observers that happen to notice.

'Agency' has been stolen from the refugees, with the help western weapons and logistics, crazy Saudi and/or Wahhibist money using Turkey as the entry corridor opened up by NED and Soro's style NGO's.

People who care a whit about their own agency as well as future potential agency for current refugees and the united citizenry still holding on in Syria, will do well to drop the ideological baggage that opens one up to easy manipulation.

Even the communists in Syria have figured that one out.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:28 pm

Quite a f'ing thread! Lots to unpack here.

Thank you, SLAD, good work.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby American Dream » Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:46 am

The use of water cannons in winter temperatures is extremely dangerous. Hypothermia is a risk in any case with overcrowded dinghies taking on water on night crossings. This led to the death of a five year old boy from Afghanistan on a boat to Chios on Tuesday. This isn't the only case of children dying of hypothermia on boats that made it across without sinking.


https://libcom.org/forums/news/lesvos-c ... ent-572685


American Dream » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:24 pm wrote:Platanos Refugee Solidarity wrote:

The refugees that arrived yesterday at Platanos Camp, were soaking wet and in shock, because as they explained to us, the Turkish coastguard tried to force them to return to the Turkish coast with the use of threats, by creating artificial waves and by the extensive use of water cannons. Two of the boats returned to the Turkish coast with all the passengers in shock. The remaining two boats managed to break through and reached Skala Sykamias, Lesvos.

Today at 3 o'clock in the morning, the Greek Coastguard attempts to stop a new boat from reaching the coast at Skala Sykamia resulted in a havoc and the boat almost crashed on sharp rocks. The accident was prevented at the last moment by the intervention of the rescue boat belonging to the team 'Sea Rescue'.

This morning: Turkish coastguard was sighted from the 'Korakas' Observation Post to repeat its deliberate attacks to boats in the middle of the sea, again by the use of water cannons.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:22 pm

Sounder » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:47 pm wrote:
There are many more in Turkey than in Europe.


Yes and Turkey provides the mercenaries, the arms supply routes and materials that result in disgusting atrocities on the Syrian people that turn many of them into refugees.

Turkey feeds and shelters them. Is one country sposed to bear the burden of all those people with out a home.


Turkey is quite likely compensated by NATO and other players in this sick drama to temporarily shelter refugees.


Let's not forget the billions of dollars from "ISIS"/Daesh's theft of Syrian and Iraqi oil, that are flowing into the pockets of Erdogan and his Israeli partners. (Although this has slowed down considerably in recent months, thanks to Russia.)
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:06 pm

AlicetheKurious » 22 Feb 2016 07:22 wrote:
Sounder » Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:47 pm wrote:
There are many more in Turkey than in Europe.


Yes and Turkey provides the mercenaries, the arms supply routes and materials that result in disgusting atrocities on the Syrian people that turn many of them into refugees.

Turkey feeds and shelters them. Is one country sposed to bear the burden of all those people with out a home.


Turkey is quite likely compensated by NATO and other players in this sick drama to temporarily shelter refugees.


Let's not forget the billions of dollars from "ISIS"/Daesh's theft of Syrian and Iraqi oil, that are flowing into the pockets of Erdogan and his Israeli partners. (Although this has slowed down considerably in recent months, thanks to Russia.)


yep. Russia has to protect its markets too.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Sounder » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:25 am

yep. Russia has to protect its markets too.


This post has been flagged for lack of nuance. :evilgrin

(Russia may be a tad bit more concerned about crazy Wahhabists on their southern flank.)
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:28 am

Sounder » 22 Feb 2016 21:25 wrote:
yep. Russia has to protect its markets too.


This post has been flagged for lack of nuance. :evilgrin

(Russia may be a tad bit more concerned about crazy Wahhabists on their southern flank.)


You should be flagged for lack of nuance.

Seriouisly. There are no good guys in this fight and based on the comments of Sam Gerrans here:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=38399&start=120#p589266

or here:

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/332387-soros ... -migrants/

Who has the most to gain from a refugee crisis in Europe - Russia or "Sorionism"?
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:13 am

Who has the most to gain from a refugee crisis in Europe - Russia or "Sorionism"?




PRIVATE INVESTORS


Fences, dogs, cops and guns ......and the IMF


FEBRUARY 23, 2016
The Evil Empire has the World in a Death Grip
by PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

In my archives there is a column or two that introduces the reader to John Perkins’ important book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man. An EHM is an operative who sells the leadership of a developing country on an economic plan or massive development project. The Hit Man convinces a country’s government that borrowing large sums of money from US financial institutions in order to finance the project will raise the country’s living standards. The borrower is assured that the project will increase Gross Domestic Product and tax revenues and that these increases will allow the loan to be repaid.

However, the plan is designed to over-estimate the benefits so that the indebted country cannot pay the principal and interest. As Perkins’ puts it, the plans are based on “distorted financial analyses, inflated projections, and rigged accounting,” and if the deception doesn’t work, “threats and bribes” are used to close the deal.

The next step in the deception is the appearance of the International Monetary Fund. The IMF tells the indebted country that the IMF will save its credit rating by lending the money with which to repay the countrhy’s creditors. The IMF loan is not a form of aid. It merely replaces the country’s indebtedness to banks with indebtedness to the IMF.

To repay the IMF, the country has to accept an austerity plan and agree to sell national assets to private investors. Austerity means cuts in social pensions, social services, employment and wages, and the budget savings are used to repay the IMF. Privatization means selling oil, mineral and public newconfessionsinfrastructure in order to repay the IMF. The deal usually imposes an agreement to vote with the US in the UN and to accept US military bases.

Occasionally a country’s leader refuses the plan or the austerity and privatization. If bribes don’t work, the US sends in the jackels—assassins who remove the obstacle to the looting process.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Sounder » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:25 am

Seriouisly. There are no good guys in this fight and based on the comments of Sam Gerrans here:


I did not find the applicable comments at that link and my feeble computer does not link to that rt article but seriously, all this talk of there being 'no good guys' claims or implies an equivalency that is not there on the ground.

Russia has to deal with, bred by western imperial powers to be crazy Wahhabists, first taking down a relatively modern and secular Afghanistan and turning it into sectarian hellhole. This is a very real threat to Russian territorial security. Then the western powers decimate a prosperous Libya, starting with a 'no fly zone' pretext so as to bomb the hell out of Libya. Even now Merkel and others, (Avazz is always calling for them) are calling for a no fly zone for Syria.

Russia effectively says; 'no you are not going to do that again', and all we get is an echo chamber of 'there are no good guys here'.

We apologize to all you dedicated fans, and we are sorry but reason has left the building.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:37 pm

https://revolution-news.com/pegida-marc ... h-germany/

Pegida March To Site Of Hitler’s 1923 Putsch In Munich, Germany

BY RENÉ SCHUIJLENBURG ON 02/23/2016


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Feldherrnhalle in Munich, Germany in 1938.


More than 2500 racists joined the xenophobic Pegida march in Dresden last night. There were also nazi marches in Berlin, Duisburg, Hannover and Munich. In Munich nazis marched to the Feldherrnhalle, which was the site of a brief battle thatended Hitler’s initial coup, “Beer Hall Putsch” in 1923.



https://youtu.be/4JkXrfMULPQ


After racist mobs blocked a bus with refugees in Clausnitz, and cheered an arson attack in Bautzen over the past few days, nazis continue to mobilize against refugees in Germany. In Dresden, partcipants of the xenophobic Pegida march were chanting “Clausnitz! Clausnitz!” and in Munich about 250 racists marched to the historic Feldherrnhalle at Odeon square.

The Feldherrnhalle was the scene of a confrontation on November 9, 1923, between the Bavarian State Police and an unauthorised march by the fascist followers of Adolf Hitler. This was the culmination of the Nazi’s attempt to take over the State, commonly referred to as the Beer Hall Putsch. When ordered to stop, the marchers continued, and the State Police opened fire. In the ensuing gun battle, four policemen and sixteen nazis were killed. Many more were wounded, including Hermann Göring. As a result of the failure of the so-called Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler was arrested and sentenced to a prison term.

After the Nazis took power in 1933, Hitler turned the Feldherrnhalle into a memorial for the nazis who died during the 1923 putsch. A memorial to the fallen SA men was put up on its east side, opposite the location of the shootings. This monument, called the “Mahnmal der Bewegung”, was designed by Paul Ludwig Troost. It was a rectangular structure listing the names of the fascists who died on November 9, 1923. This was under perpetual ceremonial guard by the SS. The square in front of the Feldherrnhalle (Odeon square) was used for SS parades and nazi rallies. During some of these events, the sixteen dead were each commemorated by a temporary pillar placed in the Feldherrnhalle topped by a flame. New SS recruits took their oath of loyalty to Hitler in front of the memorial.

It wasn’t the first time the xenophobic Pegida movement has marched to the Feldherrnhalle in Munich, and they will probably do it again. If there was any doubt about the objectives of the Pegida movement, the fact that organisers again and again march to the Feldhernnhalle makes clear what kind of movement it is; a racist movement that glorifies Nazi Germany.






American Dream » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:02 am wrote:So a boneheaded army of irregulars is involved in a vicious campaign of attacking refugees across Europe while Putin's Russia has opened the spigots, funding far right parties, propagandists, organizations and individuals all over the place, as long as they are sufficiently compliant. These sorts of reactionaries are ambivalent/divided about who to scapegoat: Jews and/or Muslims?.

Conspiracy freaks weak in critical thinking skills and strong on groupthink are just pawns in this bigger game.

What's missing? Our common humanity and basic human decency...
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:44 pm

Diplomatic war over migrants escalates in Europe


Refugees and migrants line up for a food distribution at a relocation camp in Schisto, near Athens. (Alkis Konstantinidis/Reuters)
By Anthony Faiola February 25 at 10:58 AM
BERLIN — Greece on Thursday recalled its ambassador to Austria for consultations, escalating a diplomatic war in Europe over how to handle a record influx of migrants from the war-torn Middle East and beyond.

The move underscored how European unity over the refugee crisis is quickly breaking down, leaving an every-nation-for-itself approach that threatens to escalate the scale of the humanitarian emergency confronting the continent.

In recent days, a group of nations led by Austria have upended attempts to forge a regional response by taking unilateral steps aimed at sharply limiting the number and type of migrants allowed to cross their borders.

Those moves, however, have left a growing bottleneck of thousands of would-be refugees trapped at their European entry point: near-bankrupt Greece. And on Thursday, Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias blasted what he suggested was a new nationalism spreading across the continent, a mentality reminiscent of the 19th-century divisions that led to decades of instability in Europe.

[Migrants find doors slamming shut across Europe]

“It is clear that the big problems of the European Union cannot be dealt with though mentalities and extra-institutional initiatives that have their roots in the 19th century,” Kotzias said in a statement. “Responsibility for the handling of the immigration and refugee crisis cannot fall on one country alone. Common sense requires that the principles of solidarity and equal distribution of the weight is the effective way to resolve this complex problem.”

Tensions between Greece and Austria have been escalating since last Friday, when Vienna announced a strict limit of 80 migrants a day allowed to apply for asylum on its territory. That sparked a chain reaction of nations eager to avoid logjams.

Key transit nations Macedonia and Serbia on Sunday moved to bar from entry virtually all Afghans, who make up about one-third of all migrants. They are allowing Syrians and Iraqis to cross. But even migrants from those war-torn nations are now being asked to produce more paperwork and identification, which many of them do not have.

[Spring could bring a fresh surge of refugees. But Europe isn’t ready for them.]

The diplomatic crisis deepened Wednesday, after 10 nations held a meeting in Vienna to uphold their new policies limiting migrants. Greece lodged a formal protest after not receiving an invitation and then followed up Thursday by recalling its ambassador to Vienna.

The Austrians, who say nations along the migrant route must take action themselves because Europe has not come up with a working regional agreement, were unbowed. The recalled Greek ambassador, according to an Austrian foreign ministry official who spoke on the condition of anonymity, should now be able to inform his superiors about the real problems confronting nations such as Austria.

“We see a chance that the ambassador will inform the Greek authorities about the situation and challenges that destination countries on the refugee route, such as Austria, are facing,” the official said.

European nations have struggled for months to come up with a single regional solution, particularly with new arrivals this year already exceeding 100,000 migrants — a number far outpacing the same period in 2015. But any working deal seems more distant now than ever, even as diplomatic infighting intensifies.

The Greeks and the Germans are now bickering with the Austrians and the Balkan countries. The French are upset with the Belgians for new border controls aimed at blocking migrants trying to move from France into Belgium. Much of Europe, meanwhile, is pointing fingers at the anti-migrant government in Hungary for seeking to undermine a regional agreement struck last year to share the burden of migrants among all E.U. nations.

On Tuesday, Austrian Chancellor Werner Faymann dismissed criticism of his country’s decision by the European Union, saying, “We can do without this advice.”
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Sounder » Thu Feb 25, 2016 2:59 pm

AD wrote...
Conspiracy freaks weak in critical thinking skills and strong on groupthink are just pawns in this bigger game.


You may call us 'conspiracy freaks', but we consider ourselves to be critics of the deep state. You know, that group continually creating new 'facts on the ground' for us to chase after.

Huh, and I heard that anti-fa is sponsored with Brit gov. money. And talk about groupthink, what are all those 30 page papers coming out of lib-com and anti-fa all about. Reading only one of those things is a comprehensive indoctrination program all on its own.

What's missing? Our common humanity and basic human decency...


The one's missing basic human decency are the one's that are still attempting to destroy sovereign nations and financing the movement of large numbers of refugees that create legitimate concerns in prospective host countries.

The propaganda must continue to keep focus on 'racist' Europeans so that is does not veer toward where it actually belongs, that being with the facilitators of this situation.

Have you taken your daily inoculation of 'that's right-wing extremist talk' vaccine yet?
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby American Dream » Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:07 pm

Sounder » Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:59 pm wrote:You may call us 'conspiracy freaks', but we consider ourselves to be critics of the deep state. You know, that group continually creating new 'facts on the ground' for us to chase after.

Huh, and I heard that anti-fa is sponsored with Brit gov. money. And talk about groupthink, what are all those 30 page papers coming out of lib-com and anti-fa all about. Reading only one of those things is a comprehensive indoctrination program all on its own.

The propaganda must continue to keep focus on 'racist' Europeans so that is does not veer toward where it actually belongs, that being with the facilitators of this situation.


I see "conspiracy freaks" when people seem to be wedded to fanatical, totalizing theories, that can't/doesn't coexist with critical thinking very well at all. And yeahm there are more liberalish nonprofit institutes that work with the State and criticize Nazis and other far right denizens. These would not be the sources I would go to first regarding far right interests being supported by the State but a dangerous and misguided racist/xenophobe is still...that/

Claiming: The propaganda must continue to keep focus on 'racist' Europeans so that is does not veer toward where it actually belongs, that being with the facilitators of this situation is to perpetuate dangerous and pernicious doctrine. And it's based on the very shoddy foundation of false dichotomy, to boot.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Sounder » Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:34 pm

.....Claiming: The propaganda must continue to keep focus on 'racist' Europeans so that is does not veer toward where it actually belongs, that being with the facilitators of this situation is to perpetuate dangerous and pernicious doctrine.


Really? What one is that? That the neo-cons need to be put in prison where they belong?

Well in that case, yes it is meant to be a dangerous and pernicious doctrine, at least for scum.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby tapitsbo » Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:09 pm

This conversation is wandering this way inevitably given the discretion with which data that might corroborate the thread title (besides the interesting article series linked by SLAD) is not being discussed.
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