B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

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B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby American Dream » Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:36 pm

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POP CONSPIRACY: B.O.B., TILA TEQUILA, AND THE DIGITIZING OF OLD SCHOOL ANTI-SEMITISM


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A Twitter-storm is now the new headline factory, which is no surprise since silliness often hits the top of CNN and the New York Times based on trending hashtags. While the Malheur rebellion was hitting its twilight, and the police standoff ended in a fatal shooting, B.O.B. was stealing some of the spotlight with his geological ideas.

For those who have not seen the flurry of articles and late-night monologues about this: B.O.B. believes the earth is flat. We don’t mean this as a Friedmanesque analogy about 21st century corporate globalization, but literally that it is a disc. The Flat Earth Society has existed for over a century continuing to play on contemporary conspiracy theories to argue that the Earth is not a globe as all of contemporary science proves. Instead, they make strange arguments about the angling of the horizon and fundamentalist readings of the Bible to argue against what has been the consensus for hundreds of years. In this view the Arctic Ocean and North Pole reside at the center of this spinning disc, Antarctica is a 150-foot ice wall that holds the oceans in from falling off the edge, and the Sun is about 3,000 miles above Earth.

Those who do ascribe to Flat Earth Theory are not your regular Alex Jones type crackpots, or even those who believe world leaders to be secret Reptilian Humanoids from the lower fourth-dimension. No, this is the fringe of the fringe, and it would be hard to believe that their numbers are larger than a few hundred in the whole world. Now, they have a few celebrity cohorts.

This began several weeks ago with former reality-star Tila Tequila going to Twitter to post that the earth was, in fact, flat. “I WILL STOP MY #FLATEARTH TALK IF SOMEONE CAN SEND ME A GOD DAMN PHOTO OF THE HORIZON WITH A CURVATURE! OTHERWISE IT IS FLAT!,” read one of these.

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B.O.B., the rapper also going by Bobby Ray, then took this idea and ran with it, quoting silly talking points from Flat Earthers about the edge of the horizon, the angle of the sun, and the angles of vision. Both Tila and B.O.B. went on to basically insult the world’s intelligence and call non-believers sheep, which is why it has been easy to focus on the level of stupidity at pla. The unfortunate part is that neither Tila nor B.O.B. are simply parroting innocent eccentricities.

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After being made fun of by famed physicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, B.O.B. released a new track called Flatline. Beyond being barely produced and sung, the song basically strung together various inane conspiracy theories. Here he insinuates that NASA is a government control plot and pays Tyson for his participation. Later B.O.B. tweeted him asking if he was a Freemason. In Flatline, he goes on to discuss cloning, which he says is being done to black celebrities, and that science is a cult of liars. At midpoint during the song he drops the following line:

Before you try to curve it, do your research on David Irving.

Stalin was way worse than Hitler.

That’s why POTUS gotta wear a Kippa


There is really only one thing that David Irving is famous for today: Holocaust Denial.

Irving began as a semi-respected historian of the Second World War, especially of Nazi Germany. Though he was certainly allied with neo-fascist political programs while in college, he went on to publish major works on the Third Reich that were on cutting edge in terms of legitimate scholarship. It was true that his work was problematic and sympathetic to Nazism even from the earliest publications, and he eventually began saying that the Holocaust was not on the direct order of Hitler. After the Canadian trial of Ernst Zundel, who was being tried for “inciting racial hatred” for publishing the pamphlet Did Six Million Really Die?, Irving was swayed by the debunked testimony of Fred Leuchter. He has associated with far-right and neo-Nazi groups, both in speaking for them in talks that blame Jews for their own persecution and for openly stating his own racial nationalist ideas. Today, he is the most famous Holocaust Denier in the world as he is one of the only deniers who had a historical pedigree ahead of the denial. He gained further notoriety after suing Deborah Lipstadt in the early 1990s after her book, the seminal work on holocaust denial, Denying the Holocaust, claimed that he was, in fact, a racist and a liar. He then went through an embarrassing trial where he was forced to try and defend his claims about the Holocaust as a planned program for Jewish extermination, which he could not do. He eventually lost both his claims and the counter-suit that Lipstadt leveled against him. Later he was imprisoned in Austria for denying the Holocaust, where it is actually a serious crime.

What B.O.B. seems to be referencing here is a common claim on the far-right that Hitler’s numbers in terms of extermination and oppression were inflated, and in fact it was the Soviets who were the bigger criminals. Part of this comes from the inclusion of German casualties to Soviet troops in WWII, as well as the numbers from political repression and incompetence in Stalin’s Russia. The purpose of this comparison is to dethrone ethnic nationalism as an immediately recognized genocidal force and to instead list Nazi Germany as just one of the many violent regimes that have blanketed human history. B.O.B. goes on to label the Jews specifically by mentioning the Kippa, saying that world leaders have to have Jewish allegiances.

This is not a coded message about Holocaust Denial, but an open reference to anyone that researched his message. This took several days, and Salon was essentially the first source to go deep into his comments to analyze their background. B.O.B. has referenced things like “false flag” U.S. attacks, bringing up the Alex Jones type conspiracy theories about 9/11.

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B.O.B. might seem like an outlier even to the conspiracy theory crowd, but, as Tila Tequila has shown previously, the connection to open anti-Semitism is much more ingrained. In 2013 she inspired a massive controversy by posting a picture of herself in a modified Hitler costume. Many people thought this was an ill-tempered attempt at provocation, but it was quickly put in context as she posted multiple blogs on her website showing admiration for Hitler and doubting the “official story” of the Holocaust. If you were to then go through her forums and comments section, this connection became even more explicit. Over and over again she said that contemporary Jews were in fact not Jews at all, but Khazars. This is a less known conspiracy theory to the broad tinfoil hat crowd, and one that comes from the most violent annals of white nationalism. Often present in Christian Identity churches, which also believe that people of color are not fully human and without souls, they believe that the ancient Israelites of the Bible were actually the European white race. Jews were in fact a demonic tribe of people, sometimes considered to be a tribal band known as the Khazars. They converted to the Babylonian Temple religion, a perverted version of the Old Testament, and its devious plans are fully revealed in the Babylonian Talmud. In this theory, their main function is to leech on dominant national populations, trying to destroy the white race by inspiring race mixing. This may sound too extreme for Tila Tequila to believe, and it is most likely from reading her mixed posts that she probably only read parts of a few blogs and articles before deciding Jews were evil, but this is certainly at the heart of her ranting. Anyone that disagrees with her she calls a “dirty Jew” and a “Kike.” She repeatedly says that Jews lie to get the State of Israel, that they tarnished great men like Hitler, and that they are in control of the media and the investment banks. She was even thrown off of Celebrity Big Brother in mid-2015 after her comments surfaced, especially that she was the reincarnation of Hitler.

Hitler was a good man and it takes some f*****g balls for someone to say this out loud in this day and age, especially for a public figure like myself…Here is a man who was not a coward, stood up for his country in a desperate time of need… and yet not only did he try his best to help his country and people get out of what was a time of depression, economic collapse, high unemploymeny(sic). He lost the war and was painted out to be a monster after his death. This is what breaks my heart. (From her blog)


When speaking about the Jews in WWII specifically she was pretty candid.

What do you think war is about? People DIE in wars that is why I am against wars… I understand the Jewish people went through some s**t too, but hey guess what?? SO DID THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO SUFFERED IN EVERY SINGLE WAR THAT TOOK PLACE! You were NOT the only ones! So please, if the rest of us can forgive and forget maybe it’s time you do also!!!


The question that comes up from many media outlets right now is how two folks of color, B.O.B. and Tila Tequila, would be parroting extreme genocidal racists who would likely want to see them in camps just as much as Jewish people. This is complex, but anti-Semitism itself has been ever present inside conspiracy theories that are still common in some communities of color. Often deeply held inside black nationalist groups like the Nation of Islam, the Black Hebrew Israelites, and the Nuwabian Nation, Jews are vilified and seen as a primary agent in the colonial slave trade. Anti-Semitism has historically been a main focus of conspiracy theories, from the identification of Freemasons as controlling the secret government to the trans-national Illuminati that is repackaged for every ideological specific development. In How to Overthrow the Illuminati, which was a popular pamphlet discussing conspiracy theories in African American communities, anti-Semitism is able to unite working class people against their own interest in the same way that general racism can unite the white working class against their class unity.

Anti-Semitism united poor workers with small business owners, despite their opposed interests. The poor workers were angry about their treatment under capitalism, but saw Jews as a bigger enemy than their exploiting factory bosses. The small business owners worked to become the big-time exploiters of the poor workers, and felt Jews stood in the way of their goals. These two classes were fundamentally opposed to each other, but temporarily joined together in a populist movement, because of their mutual, misguided anti-Semitism. Populist movements join poor people with the petit-bourgeoisie, against imagined elite enemies. They speak in the name of the “common man,” but they’re guided by middle class elements, and screw over poor and working participants in the end. Contemporary examples of populism include the Tea Party, some parts of Occupy Wall Street, and the Nation of Islam. Illuminati theories are often populist in character. Many populist theories draw on anti-Semitism to identify an evil elite that runs the world.


Anti-Semitism is so ingrained in the history of conspiracy theory that any new conspiracy theory that has any continuity to the past will lead back to the blaming of Jews. This is present in the notion that it was Israelis who committed 9/11 as well as the David Icke presented idea that there are certain “bloodlines” that control banks and who benefit from global violence. This brings us right back to B.O.B., who uses the lyric “there’s no superior bloodline” in Flatline’s chorus, which, in this context, seems like a clearly coded reference to Jews and their supposedly “secret bloodline” that allows them to control global affairs.

B.O.B. is continuing to mention online that there are cloning centers that he himself has witnessed and that he is “going up against the greatest liars in history.” He will likely be dismissed as a crank, which he is, yet his return to very traditional anti-Semitic conspiracy theories is a frightening reminder that this caricature of Jews is on the tip of people’s tongues. When David Irving was questioned about B.O.B.’s reference to him in his song, he said, “[B.o.B] does not quite go along with what the media (and shortly, Hollywood) says about me, quite right.” As Salon pointed out, Hollywood in this context is likely a snide reference to Jews. It took all of two days before B.O.B. was added to the Wikipedia list of Holocaust Deniers.

Neil deGrasse Tyson responded to the recent Flat Earth claims by discussing the failure of American education, especially when it comes to the physical sciences. He kept it pretty light with an appearance on the Daily Show, basically making fun of B.O.B. for his statements. This is part and parcel of a media representation that has largely missed the depth that his comments.

This actually presents a challenge to anti-racists in that it requires a certain understanding of the history of anti-Semitism, its role in conspiracy theory and economic populism, and how we can continue to highlight how it goes unchallenged in many political spaces. As we hit Holocaust Remembrance Day, it is a critical time to remember what has come before and what unchallenged hatred and scapegoating can result in.
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Re: B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:51 am

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So dumb.
But yet I'm dumber for replying to this, perpetuating the proliferation of similarly-themed OPs by AD. An addendum to the standard definition of OCD must be added to the latest DSM manual to account for this affliction. It has clearly taken hold of AD for some time now and we have collectively suffered/endured as a result.

In the spirit of satire, I contribute thusly:

HITLER HAD THE RIGHT IDEA! HE WAS JUST AN UNDERACHIEVER! KILL 'EM ALL, ADOLF! ALL OF 'EM! JEW, MEXICAN, AMERICAN, WHITE, KILL 'EM ALL! START OVER! THE EXPERIMENT DIDN'T WORK!
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Re: B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby American Dream » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:58 am

Worth a read, and definitely relevant to at least one of the important themes in the OP:

Holocaust Memorial Day: A Reading List
By Verso Books / 27 January 2016

To mark Holocaust Memorial Day, a day of commemoration dedicated to the remembrance of those who suffered in The Holocaust under Nazi persecution, and in subsequent genocides in Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia, Darfur and elsewhere, we present the following reading list. The books explore the multi-faceted nature of the European catastrophe that was the Holocaust and its diffuse and ongoing effects in Europe, the Middle East, and elsewhere, as well as books that examine conflicts leading to the persecution and genocide of peoples in Turkey, Darfur, Rwanda and elsewhere.

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Re: B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby jakell » Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:09 pm

What's wrong with your previous well attended holocaust denial thread AD? The addition of these two rappers hardly makes much of a difference and I recently added to that one with a rumination of the attitudes of today's youth.

These should really be merged.
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Re: B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby American Dream » Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:36 pm

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REALITY STAR TILA TEQUILA APPEARS ON FASH THE NATION, BLAMES JEWS, IMMIGRANTS, AND “BLACKS”


Her anti-black racism has also garnered gossip recently as she continues to go on Twitter and say vulgar racist things about black people. She has said that “blacks” pray to their “fried chicken God,” that the “coloreds” shop at Wal-Mart, and various other mockeries of having “affirmative action friends.” It didn’t help when Radar Online revealed a text message she sent to the father of her child that read “Your daughter Briana is dating a n***er…why is this so prevalent in your family?” She spends much of her time on Twitter tweeting at black artists asking why she isn’t allowed to use the N-word.

In an effort to one up herself, she has now appeared on one of the most popular white nationalist podcasts in the world. Fash the Nation is the political podcast from The Right Stuff, the parent website of the Daily Shoah podcast. It has now eclipsed the Daily Shoah in popularity, mainly because it spends three hours pretending they have a good grasp on American politics. The podcast mainly discusses Donald Trump’s candidacy, but the hosts usually devolve into racist name calling and Trump worship, and it is clear that they are out of their league when it comes to even the most basic political analysis.

They occasionally have guests, and even an interview once in a while, and that is where Tila Tequila came in.

Many people might say that she would not know exactly what Fash the Nation was exactly, but right from the start it became clear that she not only knew what it and the Alt Right were, but she was also sympathetic. While she labeled herself as Conservative, she said she was moving in the direct of the Alt Right. She said that she was previously unaware of what was “really going on,” and then left Hollywood for Texas and began “trolling” online with conspiracy theorists. She met Alt Right people online and then found that her community in Houston were reflecting what Alt Righters said, where non-white immigration had turned her neighborhood into an “unsafe ghetto.”


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Re: B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:04 pm

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Congratulations to you and your antifa pals in providing TILA TEQUILA (and/or her cohorts) a platform/amplifier for her/their insipid views.

TILA F'ING TEQUILA. Calling them out will surely stamp out brooding fascism in this otherwise fine nation of ours.

If you displayed an ounce of humor in this forum I'd assume this was all tongue-in-cheek. Alas, no.
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Postby tapitsbo » Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:33 am

Wait, you mean Tila Tequila isn't working for the same loosely connected groups as these antifa-styled periodicals?
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:19 am

Our resident subject matter expert will surely reply to your inquiry at his nearest availability.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:33 am

If B.O.B. was black, they wouldn't be trying to tar him with anti-semitism charges like this. Then again, most anti-semites got that way thanks to dabbling in Flat Earthery -- it really is the gateway drug for Shoah.

Well, my sarcasm may have eaten itself there. Dead serious, I'm pretty surprised there isn't more overt anti-semitism in hip hop, given what rappers will talk about in the green room. Then again, Mos Def most definitely knows why. David Icke has a lot of market penetration there, especially kids inspired by Canibus and Vinnie Paz, who gave a hilarious interview about...well, this gem will be with me for all time:

BEVAN: You talk about some pretty serious topics on your debut, what do
you understand about Government Conspiracies, Extra Terrestrial Biological
Entities, and Majestic 12?

VINNIE PAZ: What I know about those things could fill a library. Let's just
say that in 2003 a ship called Niburu is coming for the 144,000 chosen.


He was on the Malachi York wave, back in those days. So was Lost Children of Babylon, who are probably still selling records in 2016.
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Re: B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:43 am

First off. Tila Tequila is a stupid name and even if I was 20 years old back when I was I would have seen clear through it as just being an obvious way to get me to think something I didn't ask to think about. She comes from the era that was transitioning from the "girls gone wild" and Jerry Springer days where shit all became normalized. It was a thing. MTV was just fine when it began. It really was.

Tila Tequila killed the music TV star. Just all of it really as far as MTV. I watch MTV every once in awhile only to see Southpark.
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Re: B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby Searcher08 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:12 am

Belligerent Savant » Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:04 am wrote:.

Congratulations to you and your antifa pals in providing TILA TEQUILA (and/or her cohorts) a platform/amplifier for her/their insipid views.

TILA F'ING TEQUILA. Calling them out will surely stamp out brooding fascism in this otherwise fine nation of ours.

If you displayed an ounce of humor in this forum I'd assume this was all tongue-in-cheek. Alas, no.


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Re: B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Jun 06, 2016 2:01 pm

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Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:02 pm

Two previous threads -- despite everyone's blanket objections to AD himself, I don't see how this isn't interesting or relevant -- on the Problematic Rap / Woke AF Rap nexus:

Hip Hop and Conspiracy Theory

What's With the Homophobia in Conspiracy Culture? (Spoiler alert: prevalence of ex-military assets and Catholics)

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America wants to pretend that they're helping the children,
and they just give Israelis the weapons to kill them
They give them the tanks for wrecking the buildings
The facts always come to light, you can never conceal them
Even as I spit and record this
people die and these Evangelical Christians support it
Forming an alliance with the Zionist lobby,
while over here these spies are trying to stop me
We just want our people to live well
Israel equals the U.S - the U.S equals Israel
They're funding this terror in the worst way
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Re: B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:06 pm

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Quite a bit of hip-hop/pop culture can be quite superficial, and that goes doubly for their foray into 'alternative' thinking.

There are always exceptions that may be worth examining further, however.

But sorry -- I've no interest in whatever spews out of the maw of one Tila Tequila. Another's mileage may vary, however. Different strokes for different folks an' all.

Generally, I can appreciate the examination of certain claims/statements uttered by certain parties, particularly those that are responsible for policy and/or the livelihood of constituents, or those that have a wide enough platform/fanbase and/or enough influence on a portion of the populace whenever a tweet/posting is broadcast, but I have trouble seeing the value in examining certain fringes, other than as a 'thought exercise'. Content that may have otherwise been ignored/missed are now provided an audience, adding to the ever-increasing white noise and deflecting attention -- however small -- away from the BIGGER FISH worthy of FRYING.
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Re: B.O.B., Tila Tequila & Old School Anti-Semitism

Postby American Dream » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:00 pm

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REALITY STAR TILA TEQUILA APPEARS ON FASH THE NATION, BLAMES JEWS, IMMIGRANTS, AND “BLACKS”


For all its claims of discernment and elitism, the Alt Right will take just about anyone it can get.

We have covered the infamous D-list reality celebrity Tila Tequila in the past. Several years ago, Tequila seemed to go off the deep end on her own website where she started posting Holocaust Denial rants, admiration for Hitler, and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories claiming that the Jews of today are actually the parasitic Khazar race and not the Israelites of the Bible. This is one of the more “out there” conspiratorial claims usually made by Christian Identity extremists, and for some reason this bi-sexual Asian woman is now allying herself with the furthest reaches of Nazism.



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