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Does your tolerance for predictable spontaneity include the swarms of "peaceful and boisterous" right wingers who'll now inevitably crash public assemblies of the left?

Grizzly » 12 Mar 2016 11:50 wrote:

Does your tolerance for predictable spontaneity include the swarms of "peaceful and boisterous" right wingers who'll now inevitably crash public assemblies of the left?

What left?

tapitsbo » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:02 pm wrote:Trump and Emannuel have close ties, am I right?

Within minutes of the White House’s release of Barack Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate yesterday, Donald Trump took the credit, saying, “I’m very proud of myself”—only he could get the president to do what he should have done a long time ago.

Trump’s campaign to vilify Obama is dominating headlines these days, so it’s worth a look to examine the real estate tycoon’s ties to two of the president’s most energetic backers: Rahm Emanuel and his younger brother, Ari.

“Deal” would be the best word to describe the relationship among Rahm, Ari, and Trump, who employs Ari as his agent and gave Rahm $50,000 for his run for mayor last December.

First, the Rahm connection: Trump, who opened the Trump International Hotel and Tower here in 2008 and will undoubtedly hope to add another pastel namesake to Chicago’s skyline, recognized that Rahm would soon be running the nation’s third largest city. Why wouldn’t he want to curry favor? Trump has given more money to Democrats than Republicans—among them Ed Rendell, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, Charles Schumer—people Trump hoped would be friendly to his buildings, casinos, and golf courses.

As for Ari, pit-bull co-CEO of William Morris Endeavor Entertainment and the model for Jeremy Piven’s Ari Gold in HBO’s Entourage, he seems made-to-order for Trump, who has called the younger Emanuel a “close friend.” Why wouldn’t the boldest, hyper-aggressive builder (and host of NBC’s The Apprentice), and the boldest, hyper-aggressive agent get together?

And despite Donald’s nonstop anti-Obama diatribes, apparently he and Ari are still doing business. When I called Ari Emanuel, I was instructed by an underling to email my request. I specifically asked for confirmation that Ari still represents Donald. No response yet, but no denial either. I also emailed Mayor-elect Rahm’s press spokesman, Tarrah Cooper, and asked about the Ari/Donald tie. “The Mayor-elect is not going to comment on his brother’s relationship with his clients,” she emailed back.

I called Trump’s office and talked to Michael Cohen, the registered Democrat and former Obama backer who is choreographing Donald’s run for president, presumably on the Republican ticket. Cohen told me that Trump is booked for the next few days; after New Hampshire, he heads to Las Vegas and then to D.C. for the White House Correspondents’ Dinner. I asked Cohen in an email to confirm that his boss’s agent is still Ari Emanuel. No response as of post time.

FourthBase » Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:16 am wrote:Does your tolerance for predictable spontaneity include the swarms of "peaceful and boisterous" right wingers who'll now inevitably crash public assemblies of the left?

WR wrote:On the plus side: all this means that the next few months will be a perfect test lab for AD's "Fascists are the Tools of the State" thesis.

There are definitely some Don Quixotes on the right who see this as a blank check to "return the favor" -- shit, I know a few getting mobilized today -- but they're in for some cold water to the face re: Demographics and scale.

Edit: that said, all that is really needed is symbolic victory aka Mere Spectacle. A dozen Oath Keepers at a Bernie rally in AZ would be enough to send Team Microagression into a really gruesome pique of victimhood; that image would stay for the whole campaign.

Also on the plus side, maybe Chicago can use some of this feel-good momentum to, you know, fucking fix Chicago and get Emanuel out.

tapitsbo » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:02 pm wrote:was there an assassination attempt?

Trump and Emannuel have close ties, am I right?

Sanders Statement on Donald Trump
March 12, 2016

CHICAGO – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders issued the following statement today on disturbances of Donald Trump rallies:

“As is the case virtually every day, Donald Trump is showing the American people that he is a pathological liar. Obviously, while I appreciate that we had supporters at Trump’s rally in Chicago, our campaign did not organize the protests.

“What caused the protests at Trump’s rally is a candidate that has promoted hatred and division against Latinos, Muslims, women, and people with disabilities, and his birther attacks against the legitimacy of President Obama.

“What caused the violence at Trump’s rally is a campaign whose words and actions have encouraged it on the part of his supporters. He recently said of a protester, ‘I want to punch him in the face.’ Another time Trump yearned for the old days when the protester would have been punched and “carried out on a stretcher.’ Then just a few days ago a female reporter apparently was assaulted by his campaign manager.

“When that is what the Trump campaign is doing, we should not be surprised that there is a response.

“What Donald Trump must do now is stop provoking violence and make it clear to his supporters that people who attend his rallies or protest should not be assaulted, should not be punched, should not be kicked. In America people have a right to attend a political rally without fear of physical harm.”

wombat said:

Trump as Neocon campaign to elect Clinton is not altogether implausible. Those wacky bastards have done crazier things.

JackRiddler » 12 Mar 2016 15:15 wrote:

FourthBase » Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:16 am wrote:Does your tolerance for predictable spontaneity include the swarms of "peaceful and boisterous" right wingers who'll now inevitably crash public assemblies of the left?

I'm sure there will be a few on a fallacious tit-for-tat logic and the media will cover it in a way that caters to your particular prejudices. "Swarms" are unlikely, of course. The numbers at Trump rallies don't translate into those kinds of protesters. They tend to be old and consumerist in their approaches. They want the Trump show.

I also missed the part where, say, Sanders went on TV 24/7 with statements to the effect that a) Trump supporters are an identity category (although they do fit "white") and b) "most if not all" of them are rapists, terrorists, scum, etc. Do you really believe Trump can do this to Mexicans, Muslims and (still mostly indirectly) black people, and celebrate the beating of lone protesters from the podium at his rally, and effectively invite KKK support for his cause -- and then schedule a rally in downtown Chicago! -- and there will not be such a response? All the secret organizing and Soros money in the world wouldn't get thousands of protesters walking in to a Trump rally. Trump's statements and actions organized that. 48 hours of lead time on social media were enough to activate a pretty broad coalition of groups and people who walked on in to the public event. My "tolerance" for it (hell yeah I would have been there too) is not relevant here. It is what it is, something that Trump set up with wht he has done in recent months.

JackRiddler » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:03 pm wrote:Ari Fleischer is Trump's agent? Really? Marvelous if directly true.”