Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

[Elvis]

I fully support the people of Crimea's right to self-determination, but the way it happened was, shall we say, not ideal.

On this we agree entirely, sir. And I accept and value your comments as a helpful tempering of my views of this complicated topic. What always bugs me is the disappearance of the U.S. role whenever Ukraine comes up in MSM, a pointed ommission.

[DrEvil]

^^I'm not trying to downplay the US role in the whole clusterfuck, and I agree that the MSM is doing a piss poor job of reporting on the issue. I just don't like it when either of them screw around with other countries, something they both have a track record of doing, and this gives Russia a nice blueprint for the next time they start eyeing a strategically important part of a neighbor's country.

[Nordic]

[Nordic]

https://newsline.com/overwhelming-major ... an-survey/

Overwhelming majority in Crimea today would still vote to join Russia – German survey

This place isn't what it used to be. Buncha brainwashed trash.

[seemslikeadream]

True .....you no longer find Facebook creepy

[Sounder]

Nordic wrote...

This place isn't what it used to be. Buncha brainwashed trash.

Oh please Nordic, nothing is what it used to be. And trash??? No, most people I know will not even begin to deal with issues that are dealt with at RI. Those people are still good people, so give a break to those here willing to confront at least some dissonance, even if you do think that improper rationalizations, assumptions and conclusions are involved.

Both left and right wing ideologies turns one into a useful tool.

http://russia-insider.com/en/theresista ... nt/ri21731

.....Jeffrey, on the other hand, is indeed a complete dummy, who doesn’t seem to realize the irony of turning her magazine – named after a socialist – into the house organ of those who blame Bernie Sanders (as well as those Russkies!) for Hillary Clinton’s well-deserved defeat.

So who cares about Mother Jones, anyway? Well, it’s not just about one magazine: it’s an entire liberal tradition that’s disappeared as suddenly and seemingly inexplicably as the dinosaurs, gone down the Memory Hole without a trace left behind.

There’s another tradition, however, one that gets far less examination, and that is the history of “leftist” individuals and organizations that became tools of the CIA, and instruments of the War Party.

Here’s an article on civil rights leader Bayard Rustin’s collaboration with Langley, which the author finds baffling. He doesn’t understand how someone with leftist views – and who worked with Martin Luther King – could become a government stooge and tool. That’s because he doesn’t know the history: Rustin was a member of the Independent Socialist League and a follower of Max Shachtman, a dissident Trotskyist who came to support the Vietnam war. Shachtman mentored many a neocon.

During this time CIA support for leftist groups and publications was a fixed strategy central to their program of stopping the Communist advance in Europe and elsewhere: Partisan Review, the New Leader, the Paris Review, Encounter, and even the Kenyon Review, received covert funding from Uncle Sam. And while these outlets were often critical of official US policy, the advantage was that they imbued Washington’s international anti-communist crusade with a left-liberal tinge.

If we put this history in the present context – that is, the context of an “intelligence community” that is out to overthrow an elected President of the United States – then there are some disturbing conclusions we’re forced to draw.

First and foremost, we have to look carefully at the outlets that are serving as mouthpieces for our disaffected spooks and wonder if they are receiving the same sort of support as, say, Encounter once did.

One of the main mouthpieces, the Washington Post, has openly won a very lucrative CIA contract, which they don’t even bother to hide, but the penumbra of behind-the-scenes manipulation extends far beyond Jeff Bezos & Co.

The entire panoply of “mainstream” liberal publications who have been the loudest voices of the anti-Trump “Resistance” must all come under suspicion: we have sufficient grounds to ask whether they’re being funded, aided, and abetted by the clandestine organizers of what is effectively an attempted coup d’etat.

The crackpot conspiracy theorists of #TheResistance – Louise Mensch, Seth Abramson, and that Garland nutbag – are constantly claiming to have “inside” information fed to them by anonymous intelligence officials. Why not take them at their word?

While the “scoops” they’re “reporting” to their deluded followers may be complete bullshit, there’s a purpose to spreading manure so thickly – in hopes of raising a profitable crop. In this case, the crop is a substantial number of fanatic conspiracists who think the nation is under the control of Vladimir Putin.

I think we have to assume that the CIA and its attendant “intelligence community” have infiltrated our domestic politics as thoroughly as they did during the cold war – if not more so. After all, this is their biggest “regime change” operation to date – one carried out right here in the good old US of A.

This means that the constituent parts of #TheResistance – the organized groups, the leaders, the journalists – are all under a cloud of suspicion. With some of these sock puppets, the strings are all too visible: David Corn, for one, has been semi-openly working with what look to be elements of the intelligence community, to the extent that he really ought to be giving them a byline. Others are more subtle, but the end result is the same: a chorus of “liberal” and even “left” voices descrying the alleged conquest of the US by Russia.

The eradication of traditional liberalism, the unbalancing of our politics, the paranoid style infused into our daily discourse – these are just a few of the terrible effects the “Russia-gate” hoax has visited on the country. And of course our foreign policy is horribly distorted, with both the “Left” and the neoconservative Right out to start a new cold war. The danger of a nuclear conflict, which we thought had passed with the falling of the Berlin Wall and the breakup of the Soviet Union, haunts us once again.

[82_28]

True .....you no longer find Facebook creepy

Funny enough, I find Nordic his same opinionated and cranky yet righteous informed self on FB and a "friend", but he does love to be a dick, especially here. Ah well. Nothing about this place has changed other than you're "lucky" that people here "know" you and are giving you ZERO shit for doing a lame drive-by.

[DrEvil]

https://newsline.com/overwhelming-majority-in-crimea-today-would-still-vote-to-join-russia-german-survey/

Overwhelming majority in Crimea today would still vote to join Russia – German survey

This place isn't what it used to be. Buncha brainwashed trash.

Sure, but that's not my issue. My problem with the whole thing is how it happened: it was rushed through during an armed conflict that was heavily supported by a wannabe superpower with a strategic interest in the area and emotions were running high on all sides. Not the best time to make decisions like that, and not something you want to rush, even if the popular sentiment happens to be the same today as it was then.

The "correct" way to do it would have been something like:
1: Everybody stop shooting for a minute
2: US/NATO, Russia and EU fuck off back where they came from
3: People sit down and talk and discuss the issues so all sides can be heard and consequences of the available choices mapped out
4: Hold a referendum after everyone has had some time to cool off

[Cordelia]

This place isn't what it used to be. Buncha brainwashed trash.

Shouldn't he get a week off for that comment?

[norton ash]

Right-wing fuckwads and the Hillary-hate. They're OBSESSED, they just can't let go. I mean, I can't stand her and loathe the DNC, but there are a few - ahem - other things going on. Of course I'm sure if they'd just locked her up, everything would be just fine.

[Sounder]

Norton wrote...

Right-wing fuckwads and the Hillary-hate.

But that does not work to dismiss the criticism.

The problem from an old-style liberal POV is that the Hillary machine is not liberal at all.
And allegiance to such types so as to spite right-wing fuckwads, well seems to turn people into what are essentially more right-wing fuckwads.

from before....

The eradication of traditional liberalism, the unbalancing of our politics, the paranoid style infused into our daily discourse – these are just a few of the terrible effects the “Russia-gate” hoax has visited on the country. And of course our foreign policy is horribly distorted, with both the “Left” and the neoconservative Right out to start a new cold war.

When people are promoting war they lose all claims of credibility to having humanitarian values or care for the environment.

[norton ash]

^^ This is a non-sequitur, Sounder. I don't like Hillary, I don't care about Hillary, and I don't think she's a liberal at all, never have. You'll find few Hillary supporters at RI.

But real right-wing fuckwads like Trump and FOX News and Breitbart care about Hillary a whole bunch. And I really marvel that Nordic still seems to, in the midst of this shit blizzard we're in. Let go of the Hillary hate object, ya weirdos. Russia-gate isn't a hoax, it's incompetent, desperate crime that really happened. Wanting these fools out of Washington and in jail is justified. 'Stealing the election' is a sidebar now, the case is all about money-laundering, interstate crime, conspiracy and lying. I hope the USA can avoid a military coup and the ascendance of the agencies, but that's probably what you'll get for electing scumbags.

Anyway, carry on boring us by burning your now-irrelevant witch.

[seemslikeadream]

reminder...she is NOT president

trump says she lied to the FBI.....I have yet to find evidence of that

I am not a Clinton supporter

I am concerned about a serial liar.... racist....criminal...misogynist .....sexual predator...showing signs of dementia.....treasonist bastard being president ..oh and he is a grifter to boot including his WHOLE grifting family

[SonicG]

^^ This is a non-sequitur, Sounder. I don't like Hillary, I don't care about Hillary, and I don't think she's a liberal at all, never have. You'll find few Hillary supporters at RI.

But real right-wing fuckwads like Trump and FOX News and Breitbart care about Hillary a whole bunch. And I really marvel that Nordic still seems to, in the midst of this shit blizzard we're in. Let go of the Hillary hate object, ya weirdos. Russia-gate isn't a hoax, it's incompetent, desperate crime that really happened. Wanting these fools out of Washington and in jail is justified. 'Stealing the election' is a sidebar now, the case is all about money-laundering, interstate crime, conspiracy and lying. I hope the USA can avoid a military coup and the ascendance of the agencies, but that's probably what you'll get for electing scumbags.

Anyway, carry on boring us by burning your now-irrelevant witch.

I would say the US is basically already under a military coup with Kelly, Mattis and McMaster...A loosely organized one that is beholden to stock market growth as long as the military budget continues to swell ridiculously. Certainly wouldn't have been much different than that under Hillary Clinton and I think it is ridiculous to pretend that the "Deep State" part of the military is more than happy with continued tensions with Russia.
Once the tax bill goes through and wall street exuberance pumps up on it, I think the generals might be happy with Pelosi even...

Ahh Nordic. Must be nice to read Counterpunch at a west hollywood cafe, updating your movie industry union dues payment online while sipping a latte and despising the true enemy - the global technocratic corporate elite! I get it, I really do, but insults really are not the best form of praxis...oops!

[SonicG]

Also, I wouldn't lump in Abramson with Mensch et. al. (Mensch has launched her own ridiculous anti-Resistance thing apparently...)..I mostly quit Twitter but find Abramson quite logical and straight-forward. Here he is explaining the Logan Act:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson ... 0681056257

The arguments and timelines he has laid out make perfect sense as to what deal Trump tried to make with Russia. The constant covert push to drop sanctions on Russia is easily proof enough. Why not do it openly, explaining how it best serves the US interests to really make peace Russia. Sorry that my anarchist brainwashing allows me to realize that the US has obviously been treating Russia similar to the cold war but also that Putin is fighting for Oligarchical Russia as opposed to any old Red solidarity with the poor. Using standard cold war optics and "red baiting" strikes me as completely absurd.