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82_28 » Wed May 25, 2016 2:09 am wrote:I was watching some flies today outside during a smoke break and noticed them noticing whatever it is they notice. So I wondered where they get the programming from. Perhaps stupid question but one that is interesting to consider. Unlike humans or other mammals they know what to do immediately once born or hatched or whatever.
Then it comes to me the saying "I would like to be a fly on the wall in that meeting", nothing paranoid, just where does that saying come from? I get it. I truly do. I also recognize that it is nonsense, but I got to wondering what is it that they see or notice?
Anthropomorphic to the max.
Time perception depends on how rapidly an animal's nervous system processes sensory information. To test this ability, researchers show animals a rapidly flashing light. If the light flashes quickly enough, animals (and humans) perceive it as a solid, unblinking light. The animal's behavior or its brain activity, as measured by electrodes, reveals the highest frequency at which each species perceives the light as flashing. Animals that can detect the blinking at higher frequencies are perceiving time at a finer resolution. In other words, movements and events will appear to unfold more slowly to them—think slow-motion bullet dodging in an action movie.
The scientists who ran the new study gathered data from previous experiments on the rate at which visual information is processed in 34 vertebrates, including lizards, birds, fish and mammals. The scientists hypothesized that the ability to detect incoming sights at a high rate would be advantageous for animals that must perform the equivalent of bullet dodging—responding to visual stimuli very quickly to catch elusive prey or escape predators, for instance. These animals tend to be lighter and have faster metabolisms. The data bore out the hypothesis: species that perceived time at the finest resolutions tended to be smaller and have faster metabolisms.
82_28 » Wed May 25, 2016 12:04 pm wrote:Yeah that's why I included "time and space" to my idle speculation. I get the whole DNA thing. But what if there is some form of "downloading" going on? Like there is some sort of ancient code that has been released that is continually sent -- we sit within a "cloud" of what we call these days as download.
They know what the fuck to do. I remember a science class in my remedial school where we had some bullshit "experiment" where we had to train these worms through electricity to go the way you wanted them to in some dish with different paths. So you would just shock them when they went somewhere else to get the desired result. I dumped that class because the creepy, sadistic teacher brought in boxes of cats to dissect. I just walked out, never to return. I'll always believe that guy to be a psychopathic creep. The "metal heads" in the class were "stoked."
At it's very basic, ID can be considered as an alternative hypothesis to Darwinian Evolution. Try suggesting this to your average hard headed science buff though and it's often surprising at the strength of reaction, it's like you have suggested that they be baptised.
DrEvil » Wed May 25, 2016 3:16 pm wrote:jakell » Wed May 25, 2016 12:46 pm wrote:I do enjoy the whole 'Intelligent Design' idea as a sort of thought experiment. Unfortunately, Creationists have hijacked the term and too many people associate it with them alone, but it's a lot wider than that and can include scenarios that are not at all supernatural.....
....At it's very basic, ID can be considered as an alternative hypothesis to Darwinian Evolution. Try suggesting this to your average hard headed science buff though and it's often surprising at the strength of reaction, it's like you have suggested that they be baptised.
Count me among those people, because it really isn't. Evolution is an observable fact, ID is a theory with zero supporting evidence pushed mainly by religious fanatics. Creationism was too controversial so they rebranded to ID and called it science. Same shit, different wrapping.
I don't believe in compromising with idiots.
...disingenious fucktards trying to push their personal beliefs on everyone.
DrEvil » Wed May 25, 2016 4:43 pm wrote:Sure, there are non-religious alternatives (Aliens!), but what they have in common is zero evidence, and regardless, the main proponents of ID are creationists trying to push it as science and a valid alternative to evolution.
I don't really care if someone believes in ID for whatever reason, but I do care when they try to push it into schools on equal footing with evolution. I don't believe in compromising with idiots.
They're still harping on about teaching the controversy when there is none, complaining about discrimination when there is none and generally being complete, disingenious fucktards trying to push their personal beliefs on everyone.
tron wrote:bugs? i swear the universe evolved things with eyes for a reason.
Freitag wrote:Duh. I've been saying this for years. Not really. Wouldn't it be weird if I had? Anyway it's amazing how animal instincts work. Just the other day I was tripping on how every animal has its own fighting style, hard-wired into them. Into their molecules. I can see why martial arts styles were modeled after different animals. I wish I'd been born with my ninja skills, but I had to work for them instead. Maybe in the future Monsanto will be able to genetically-engineer ninjas.
82_28 wrote:Yeah that's why I included "time and space" to my idle speculation. I get the whole DNA thing. But what if there is some form of "downloading" going on? Like there is some sort of ancient code that has been released that is continually sent -- we sit within a "cloud" of what we call these days as download.
They know what the fuck to do. I remember a science class in my remedial school where we had some bullshit "experiment" where we had to train these worms through electricity to go the way you wanted them to in some dish with different paths. So you would just shock them when they went somewhere else to get the desired result. I dumped that class because the creepy, sadistic teacher brought in boxes of cats to dissect. I just walked out, never to return. I'll always believe that guy to be a psychopathic creep. The "metal heads" in the class were "stoked."
Do not imagine that when I call it a darkness or a cloud that it is a cloud amassed with vapours that float in the air, or a darkness such as you have in your house at night, when your candle is out, for such a darkness. With little imagination you could picture the summer skies breaking through the clouds or a clear light brightening the dark winter. This is false, it isn’t what I mean for when I say “darkness” I mean a lack of knowing, just as whatever you do know or have forgotten is dark to you, because you do not see it in your spiritual eyes. For this reason, that which is between you and your God is termed, not a cloud of the air, but a cloud of unknowing. 4: 410-419
The Green Brain (1966), initially published as Greenslaves, is a science fiction novel by Frank Herbert.
Plot introduction[edit]
The book is set in the not-so-distant future, where humankind has all but succeeded in controlling all life on the planet and almost completely wiping out all insect life. The earth is divided into a "Green Zone" which humans totally dominate (or so they believe) and a diminishing "Red Zone" that is not yet conquered.
The "Green Brain" of the title is an intelligent organism that embodies and arises from nature's resistance to human domination. It is able to command social insects to form humanoid-shaped collective organisms which it uses to infiltrate the "Green Zone".
The book is about a small team sent into the jungles of Brazil to investigate the problem, who find out that some of their assumptions were wrong.
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