'Labour MUST Kill Vampire Jezza': The Plot to Destroy Corbyn

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Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:46 pm

Long live the man with the large courgette:

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Postby slimmouse » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:00 pm

MacCruiskeen » 19 Jul 2016 19:05 wrote:While the Labour Party is busy dismantling itself, Cameron has handed over the UK to Cruella DeVille:

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Is she "electable"? Who knows. The mere electorate has certainly never elected her.


I think we have it right there. The more murderous you are, the more, apparently electable you are

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Postby RocketMan » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:44 am

Jacobin Magazine's Facebook page reports:

In the past 48 hours, more people registered to vote in the Labour leadership election than were kicked off the rolls in the first place (183,541).

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Postby smiths » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:06 am

His strategy does seem to be to beat them in a slow grinding war of attrition using the mechanisms of the party
(which by some miracle actually give power to the grass roots)

He has been under attack relentlessly for months if not years now, from his own MPs and the entire media,
and i have never heard or read any comment from he where he complained or even referred to his attackers

he just keeps going

my fear is that there is still no coherent vision or sense of a strong direction and real policy work going forward
what is his actual plan for Labour and for Britain?

Richard Murphy's piece below on Corbyn's economic policy is interesting, they have the good intentions, but they arent getting anywhere and they are still fighting on Tory terms

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016 ... economics/
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Postby RocketMan » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:27 am

Yeah, and I don't think a "kinder, gentler politics" which he champions is what the world needs right now. Not violence, but fucking angry, cogent, righteous and unafraid politics is needed now.

That said, GO CORBYN.

That fucking rag The Guardian had this to say in their "verdict" of Corbyn's campaign opener:

Corbyn has had relatively little new to say on policy since he was elected leader (which is odd, because in the leadership contest last summer he produced a dozen or so quite substantial policy paper - will they get recycled?) and so in that sense the speech was refreshing. But it was still relatively threadbare. By comparison, Theresa May’s one proper leadership campaign speech, delivered last Monday, contained much more new thinking.


:wallhead:

EDIT: And now THIS from The Guardian, for Pete's sakes: He claimed that he was “laying the ground for a kinder, gentler politics”. (See 10.46am.) This is an echo of George Bush, who in his speech accepting the Republican nomination for president in 1988 said: “I want a kinder, and gentler nation.”

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Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:53 am

Labour leadership: Corbyn is 'stirring' up trouble says Eagle 22 Jul 2016
Jeremy Corbyn has been accused of "stirring" up trouble among his supporters after a Labour MP said she was "afraid" for her staff's safety.
Angela Eagle said Mr Corbyn had not condemned abuse directed against MPs critical of his leadership and allowed a "permissive environment" to flourish.
The one-time leadership challenger has cancelled constituency meetings after receiving death threats.
Mr Corbyn said he regretted her remarks and had spoken out against abuse.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36864903
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Postby RocketMan » Fri Jul 22, 2016 7:19 am

coffin_dodger » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:53 pm wrote:
Labour leadership: Corbyn is 'stirring' up trouble says Eagle 22 Jul 2016
Jeremy Corbyn has been accused of "stirring" up trouble among his supporters after a Labour MP said she was "afraid" for her staff's safety.
Angela Eagle said Mr Corbyn had not condemned abuse directed against MPs critical of his leadership and allowed a "permissive environment" to flourish.
The one-time leadership challenger has cancelled constituency meetings after receiving death threats.
Mr Corbyn said he regretted her remarks and had spoken out against abuse.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36864903


Panic mode. I wonder if the universe will implode into a singularity once Corbyn is elected with an even more massive mandate than the first time...? THEN it will be truly interesting times.
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Postby RocketMan » Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:31 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ?CMP=fb_gu

Len McCluskey: intelligence services using 'dark practices' against Corbyn

Intelligence services posing as Jeremy Corbyn supporters could be behind the abuse and intimidation of MPs on social media in an attempt to “stir up trouble” for the Labour leader, the Unite boss Len McCluskey has suggested.

In an interview with the Guardian, the general secretary of the UK’s largest trade union and one of Corbyn’s strongest supporters said he thought “dark practices” would ultimately be uncovered by the 30-year rule, under which classified documents are released into the public domain three decades after being written.

Asked if he believed the online abuse of Corbyn’s critics was posted by people trying to discredit his supporters, McCluskey said: “Of course, of course. Do people believe for one second that the security forces are not involved in dark practices?
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Postby Harvey » Fri Jul 22, 2016 8:43 pm

My admiration of Jonathan Cook as a journalist and a human being finds ample expression here:

Why Corbyn so terrifies the Guardian

Why Corbyn so terrifies the Guardian
22 July 2016

Political developments in Britain appear more than a little confusing at the moment.

The parliamentary Labour party is in open revolt against a leader recently elected with the biggest mandate in the party’s history. Most Labour MPs call Jeremy Corbyn “unelectable”, even though they have worked tirelessly to undermine him from the moment he became leader, never giving him a chance to prove whether he could win over the wider British public.

Now they are staging a leadership challenge and trying to rig the election by denying tens of thousands of Labour members who recently joined the party the chance to vote. If the MPs fail in the coming election, as seems almost certain, indications are that they will continue their war of attrition against Corbyn, impervious to whether their actions destroy the party they claim to love.

Meanwhile, the Guardian, the house paper of the British left – long the preferred choice of teachers, social workers and Labour activists – has been savaging Corbyn too, all while it haemorrhages readers and sales revenue. Online, the Guardian’s reports and commentaries about the Labour leader – usually little more than character assassination or the reheating of gossip and innuendo – are ridiculed below the line by its own readers. And yet it ploughs on regardless.

The Labour party ignores its members’ views, just as the Guardian ignores its readers’ views. What is going on?

Strangely, a way to understand these developments may have been provided by a scientific philosopher named Thomas Kuhn. Back in the 1960s he wrote an influential book called the Structure of Scientific Revolutions. His argument was that scientific thought did not evolve in a linear fashion, as scientific knowledge increased. Rather, modern human history had been marked by a series of forceful disruptions in scientific thought that he termed “paradigm shifts”. One minute a paradigm like Newtonian mechanics dominated, the next an entirely different model, like quantum mechanics, took its place – seemingly arriving as if out of nowhere.

Importantly, a shift, or revolution, was not related to the moment when the previous scientific theory was discredited by the mounting evidence against it. There was a lag, usually a long delay, between the evidence showing the new theory was a better “fit” and the old theory being discarded.

The reason, Kuhn concluded, was because of an emotional and intellectual inertia in the scientific community. Too many people – academics, research institutions, funding bodies, pundits – were invested in the established theory. As students, it was what they had grown up “knowing”. Leading professors in the field had made their reputations advancing and “proving” the theory. Vast sums had been expended in trying to confirm the theory. University departments were set up on the basis that the theory was correct. Too many people had too much to lose to admit they were wrong.

A paradigm shift typically occurred, Kuhn argued, when a new generation of scholars and researchers exposed to the rival theory felt sufficiently frustrated by this inertia and had reached sufficiently senior posts that they could launch an assault on the old theory. At that point, the proponents of the traditional theory faced a crisis. The scientific establishment would resist, often aggressively, but at some point the fortifications protecting the old theory would crumble and collapse. Then suddenly almost everyone would switch to the new theory, treating the old theory as if it were some relic of the dark ages.

Science and politics are, of course, not precisely analogous. Nonetheless, I would suggest this is a useful way of understanding what we see happening to the British left at the moment. A younger generation no longer accepts the assumptions of neoliberalism that have guided and enriched an elite for nearly four decades.

Ideas of endless economic growth, inexhaustible oil, and an infinitely adaptable planet no longer make sense to a generation looking to its future rather than glorying in its past. They see an elite with two heads, creating an illusion of choice but enforcing strict conformity. On the fundamentals of economic and foreign policy, the Red Tories are little different from the Blue Tories.

Or at least that was the case until Corbyn came along.

Corbyn and his supporters threaten a paradigm shift. The old elites, whether in the Labour parliamentary party or the Guardian editorial offices, sense the danger, even if they lack the necessary awareness to appreciate Corbyn’s significance. They will fight tooth and nail to protect what they have. They will do so even if their efforts create so much anger and resentment they risk unleashing darker political forces.

Corbyn’s style of socialism draws on enduring traditions and values – of compassion, community and solidarity – that the young have never really known except in history books. Those values seem very appealing to a generation trapped in the dying days of a deeply atomised, materialist, hyper-competitive world. They want change and Corbyn offers them a path to it.

But whatever his critics claim, Corbyn isn’t just a relic of past politics. Despite his age, he is also a very modern figure. He exudes a Zen-like calm, a self-awareness and a self-effacement that inspires those who have been raised in a world of 24-hour narcissism.

In these increasingly desperate times, Cobyn’s message is reaching well beyond the young, of course. A paradigm shift doesn’t occur just because the young replace the old. It involves the old coming to accept – however reluctantly – that the young may have found an answer to a question they had forgotten needed answering. Many in the older generation know about solidarity and community. They may have been dazzled by promises of an aspirational lifestyle and the baubles of rampant consumption, but it is slowly dawning on them too that this model has a rapidly approaching sell-by date.

Those most wedded to the neoliberal model – the political, economic and media elites – will be the last to be weaned off a system that has so richly rewarded them. They would rather bring the whole house crashing down than give Corbyn and his supporters the chance to repair it.
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Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:28 pm

Richard Seymour, (of Lenin's Tomb fame) has a free ebook out about the current situation. Only part way through but it's been worth it so far

Defeat is an inevitable but underrated experience in political life. It is understandable that on the political Left, at least, the scarring experiences of defeat in the 1980s – of the miners and the wider trade union movement, of Militant, of the Greater London Council, of the Labour Left – led to a weary cynicism about the possibilities for change in such a reactionary country. This deadly onslaught by the Right has been used as a primary argument in favour of the ascendancy, within the Labour Party, of a managerial caste hostile to many of its traditions – not just those associated with the Left, but even the old Right defined by the likes of Wilson, Jenkins and Callaghan.

Indeed, if principle only leads to defeat, why not turn to electoral professionals, media operators and brutal party managers with at least the virtue of a killer instinct? If nothing else avails, why not at least get some form of electoral revenge on the authors of said defeat by trusting everything to those who seem to know how to win? And if the Conservative-aligned media is so grossly powerful, why not hand the reins to those who can play the media’s game? Surely those who, in such circumstances, cleave to doctrine at the expense of exercising power, even if only to mildly temper the excesses of capitalism, are at best political Don Quixotes, and at worst fanatical wreckers? Such is the essential argument of the Blairites, whose project is about making Labour an effective ‘party of government’ rather than an effective opposition. Forget the policy wonkery, the ‘blue-sky thinking’, the Geoff Mulgans and Charles Leadbeaters, the Spads and fads, and the passing manias of New Labour triviology. The celebrated cerebral spine of the Blairites was in fact flimsy because it was inessential given the paucity of ambition: it requires little intellectual finesse to leave things more or less as they are. The core of New Labour was its appeal to power. It offered a tempting thrill of success to those who had been so brutally defeated, even if the condition of that success was pre-emptive surrender on all essential questions.



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Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:36 am

If grassroots activists label people in public life as Blairites, centrists, Red Tories, abstainers, traitors to the Labour Party's founding ethos, etc. then those people who have been labelled as such will immediately be targetted by Twitter trolls, poison-pen authors, threatening phone-callers, brick and egg throwers, etc. It's disgraceful, and the peasants should be ashamed of themselves. The mob is ever ugly.

Yet if the national media as a whole, and a plethora of respected elder statesmen, and the luminaries within his own Party, label one man as a lifelong IRA sympathizer, Commie open-borders advocate, friend of Hezbollah and Hamas, proximate threat to national security and immediate threat to the stability of the economy, and - as David Cameron put it - "your family" - well, he'll be fine, won't he? Nae bother likes. 'Cos violent Loyalists (like Thomas Mair) don't exist, do they? All this polarization is down to those nasty Corbynistas and Cybernats.

Or is it! :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-16/l ... oa/5158680

I'm not a fan of Corbyn, for the record - he appears dull, and both him and McDonnell have made statements indicating that, to them, the SNP are "the real enemy" (which might explain why the Tories have been so free to set fires in their rear). If they want me and mine as their enemy then the challenge is of course accepted. Seems fucking daft though.
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Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:00 pm

AhabsOtherLeg » Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:36 am wrote:If grassroots activists label people in public life as Blairites, centrists, Red Tories, abstainers, traitors to the Labour Party's founding ethos, etc. then those people who have been labelled as such will immediately be targetted by Twitter trolls, poison-pen authors, threatening phone-callers, brick and egg throwers, etc. It's disgraceful, and the peasants should be ashamed of themselves. The mob is ever ugly.

Yet if the national media as a whole, and a plethora of respected elder statesmen, and the luminaries within his own Party, label one man as a lifelong IRA sympathizer, Commie open-borders advocate, friend of Hezbollah and Hamas, proximate threat to national security and immediate threat to the stability of the economy, and - as David Cameron put it - "your family" - well, he'll be fine, won't he? Nae bother likes. 'Cos violent Loyalists (like Thomas Mair) don't exist, do they? All this polarization is down to those nasty Corbynistas and Cybernats.

Or is it! :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-16/l ... oa/5158680

I'm not a fan of Corbyn, for the record - he appears dull, and both him and McDonnell have made statements indicating that, to them, the SNP are "the real enemy" (which might explain why the Tories have been so free to set fires in their rear). If they want me and mine as their enemy then the challenge is of course accepted. Seems fucking daft though.


McTernan is one of the few people in public life that I'd use the c word about and mean it. Corbyn is a placeholder, it's more about taking back the party machinery than any one person really, which is why the PLP is fighting so hard against him. But both Corbyn and McDonnell are old left (not old old left tho), so their ancien regime antagonisms to the SNP are probably going to seem as out of place to their younger supporters as the PLP's tribalism is to their position (I don't know anything about their position vis a vis Scottish independence btw)
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Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:51 am

Labour leadership: Legal action against Corbyn ballot vote BBC 26 Jul 2016
A legal challenge to Jeremy Corbyn's right to automatically stand in the Labour leadership contest is being heard.
Donor and former candidate Michael Foster is contesting Labour's decision to allow Mr Corbyn on to the ballot paper without having to secure nominations from 50 other MPs and MEPs.
Labour's National Executive Committee backed the move by 18 to 14 votes.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36886159
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Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:57 am

ah, his dislike of Corbyn becomes clearer -
Labour donor explains why he heckled Jeremy Corbyn at Israel event The JC Oct 2015
A Labour supporter who heckled Jeremy Corbyn at a Labour Friends of Israel reception has explained his reasons for shouting at the party leader.

Michael Foster, a Jewish donor who stood as a Labour candidate in the general election, said he had been unable to understand how Mr Corbyn could speak for eight minutes at the event without using the word “Israel”.

As Mr Corbyn moved away from the microphone at the LFI reception in Brighton on Tuesday evening, Mr Foster shouted: “Say the word Israel, say the word Israel.”

A former showbusiness agent who is one of the party’s leading donors having given more than £400,000 since 2010, Mr Foster told the Times: “I find it difficult to understand how the leader of the British Labour party, when he has spent the conference talking about decency, respect for human values and human rights, kindness and a new way of conducting politics, can appear on a platform in front of 250 or 300 Jewish people . . . and cannot find in his lexicon of words at that meeting, the word ‘Jew’, ‘Jewish’, ‘the UK Jewish community’ or the word ‘Israel’. That is not leadership.”

cont - http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/146195/labour-donor-explains-why-he-heckled-jeremy-corbyn-israel-event
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Postby RocketMan » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:13 am

So that's it, then.

Let the games commence.

Owen Smith probably doesn't stand a chance.

Interesting times!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ?CMP=fb_gu

Jeremy Corbyn has fought off a court challenge that tried to force him to collect signatures from MPs to stay on the leadership ballot.

The high court ruled on Thursday that there was no basis to challenge the decision of the national executive committee (NEC) that the incumbent leader automatically goes forward as a candidate if he is challenged.

The case had been brought by Michael Foster, a former parliamentary candidate and party donor, whose counsel argued that Corbyn should be forced to collect the names of 51 MPs and MEPs in order to stand.

The ruling means the contest proceeds as a straight fight between Corbyn, who is the favourite, and Owen Smith, who has the backing of much of the parliamentary party
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