The Poetry of Gary Snyder and Radical Revolution

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The Poetry of Gary Snyder and Radical Revolution

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:49 pm

The Poetry of Gary Snyder and Radical Revolution


Full Definition of radical
1 : of, relating to, or proceeding from a root: as
a (1) : of or growing from the root of a plant <radical tubers> (2) : growing from the base of a stem, from a rootlike stem, or from a stem that does not rise above the ground <radical leaves>
b : of, relating to, or constituting a linguistic root
c : of or relating to a mathematical root
d : designed to remove the root of a disease or all diseased and potentially diseased tissue <radical surgery> <radical mastectomy>



TOMORROW'S SONG by Gary Snyder

The USA slowly lost its mandate
in the middle and later twentieth century
it never gave the mountains and rivers,
trees and animals,
a vote.
all the people turned away from it
myths die; even continents are impermanent

Turtle Island returned.
my friend broke open a dried coyote-scat
removed a ground squirrel tooth
pierced it, hung it
from the gold ring
in his ear.

We look to the future with pleasure
we need no fossil fuel
get power within
grow strong on less.

Grasp the tools and move in rhythm side by side
flash gleams of wit and silent knowledge
eye to eye
sit still like cats or snakes or stones
as whole and holding as
the blue black sky.
gentle and innocent as wolves
as tricky as a prince.

At work and in our place:

in the service
of the wilderness
of life
of death
of the Mother's breasts!




War, politics, economics, energy. These are all concepts intrinsic to human civilization. War is the continuation of politics by other means, politics is the continuation of economics by other means, economics is the continuation of energy by other means. While the concept of energy may not originate with human civilization, it is intrinsic and in contrast with the other three continuations of it, energy alone is separate from humanity as a part of nature. Try as we might to show how sophisticated we are with our ever expanding technological advances, we can't escape the fact that we are a part of nature and disregarding the significance of this not only has repercussions on the natural world around us, but also on the very civilization so many in vanity try to place above the natural world.

If there is one concept intrinsic to human civilization that connects energy to its most direct continuation, economics, it is money. As with technology in general, it is a concept that many of its most ardent advocates like to pretend is divorced from the natural world; that all the currency manipulation, derivatives and speculators rise above such terrestrial inconveniences as natural resources. But our monetary system is predicated on infinite growth. And you cannot have infinite growth on a finite planet. This is an important concept to grasp if you really care about a real revolution in human civilization that is truly radical, if you define radical as mentioned above, proceeding from a root.

more at the link...

http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2016/ ... dical.html
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Re: The Poetry of Gary Snyder and Radical Revolution

Postby PufPuf93 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:23 pm

Back in 1968 to 1970, I was attending a then very progressive boarding school near San Francisco (having attended another boarding school for 8th and 9th grade in Marin). One of the English teachers, a woman, had many contacts within the Beat community as she had been part of the Beats and self-identified as a poet teaching high school English (I actually never had her for a teacher). So she had good contacts. I have mentioned that once we had an optional "cultural" field trip to North beach at the same school. We went to City Lights Bookstore, Café Trieste, Condor Club (met Carol Doda, club had not opened for the day yet), Anton LeVay's Satan Shop where LaVey was behind the counter and talked to our group), etc.

Diane di Prima, Michael McClure, and Gary Snyder came separately to spend a day lecturing and working with the students. I have maybe 10 feet away a copy of Back Country that we young students were all provided and that was the topic of conversation the day that Snyder visited. I should have had Snyder sign the book but it never occurred to me at the time. I have copies of Back Country, Axe Handles, and Turtle Island in my library.

edit: McClure should have been Snyder in next to last sentence.
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Re: The Poetry of Gary Snyder and Radical Revolution

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Jul 21, 2016 6:47 pm

PufPuf93 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:23 pm wrote:Back in 1968 to 1970, I was attending a then very progressive boarding school near San Francisco (having attended another boarding school for 8th and 9th grade in Marin). One of the English teachers, a woman, had many contacts within the Beat community as she had been part of the Beats and self-identified as a poet teaching high school English (I actually never had her for a teacher). So she had good contacts. I have mentioned that once we had an optional "cultural" field trip to North beach at the same school. We went to City Lights Bookstore, Café Trieste, Condor Club (met Carol Doda, club had not opened for the day yet), Anton LeVay's Satan Shop where LaVey was behind the counter and talked to our group), etc.

Diane di Prima, Michael McClure, and Gary Snyder came separately to spend a day lecturing and working with the students. I have maybe 10 feet away a copy of Back Country that we young students were all provided and that was the topic of conversation the day that Snyder visited. I should have had McClure sign the book but it never occurred to me at the time. I have copies of Back Country, Axe Handles, and Turtle Island in my library.


Damn, that is so cool! I'm a huge fan of the Beat writers, especially Kerouac and Ginsberg. I've only recently started reading Snyder and I really love his respect for the environment. McClure is someone I really haven't read much from that I really want to.
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Re: The Poetry of Gary Snyder and Radical Revolution

Postby PufPuf93 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:54 pm

stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:47 pm wrote:
PufPuf93 » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:23 pm wrote:Back in 1968 to 1970, I was attending a then very progressive boarding school near San Francisco (having attended another boarding school for 8th and 9th grade in Marin). One of the English teachers, a woman, had many contacts within the Beat community as she had been part of the Beats and self-identified as a poet teaching high school English (I actually never had her for a teacher). So she had good contacts. I have mentioned that once we had an optional "cultural" field trip to North beach at the same school. We went to City Lights Bookstore, Café Trieste, Condor Club (met Carol Doda, club had not opened for the day yet), Anton LeVay's Satan Shop where LaVey was behind the counter and talked to our group), etc.

Diane di Prima, Michael McClure, and Gary Snyder came separately to spend a day lecturing and working with the students. I have maybe 10 feet away a copy of Back Country that we young students were all provided and that was the topic of conversation the day that Snyder visited. I should have had McClure sign the book but it never occurred to me at the time. I have copies of Back Country, Axe Handles, and Turtle Island in my library.


Damn, that is so cool! I'm a huge fan of the Beat writers, especially Kerouac and Ginsberg. I've only recently started reading Snyder and I really love his respect for the environment. McClure is someone I really haven't read much from that I really want to.


I am a huge fan of the Beats as well, initiated from that boarding school. Besides our literature classes, on Wednesday evenings a bookseller would come on campus and we could buy or order books. Authors I bought included Kerouac, Brautigan, Vonnegut, Kesey, Burroughs, Selby, Hesse, Ginsberg, Watts, and Arthur Miller. I still have a McClure's Meat Science Essays from the visits by the Beat poets. I cannot recall if we were provided a di Prima book; but Meat Science Essays and Back Country have my name in black fountain pen ink inside the front cover as I was wont to do then. My roommate at the boarding school 1968-69 introduced me to PKD through his Science Fiction Book Club subscription and as a result have this huge PKD collection from nearly 50 years interest. BTW I found a 4th Snyder book just now, Left Out in the Rain.

In the Recent Reads thread in the RI Lounge I noted several months ago that, "Finished Tuner's Jack Kerouac Angel Headed Hipster yesterday (great collection of beat photos and nice book production; Charter's Kerouac bio and Caroline Cassidy's Off The Road better histories of the times)." I really like Caroline Cassidy's Off the Road (and tested myself by a back to back re-reads to prefer Off the Road better than On the Road in my age).
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Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:11 pm

^^^^^^^^
Thanks, I'll be sure to check out Off The Road. (I'll also be sure to check out the Lounge thread) I think the only authors you've mentioned above that I haven't read is Brautigan. The other one, I'm somewhat ashamed to admit, is PKD. I've seen so many movie adaptations of his books, I keep telling myself, I gotta read Dick. Which one do you think would be a good one to start with?
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Postby PufPuf93 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:22 am

Note that Off the Road is a biography and Caroline Cassidy was the wife of Neal Cassidy (as opposed to the novel On the Road). Kerouac, Cassidy, and Ginsberg are the main personalities in Off the Road. Also most Kerouac books are populated by fictional accounts of friends and their times together and Kerouac was more a watcher and doier than Cassidy and Ginsberg. I have discomfort with Ginsberg since I found out his membership in NAMBLA.

Here is most recent RI PKD thread (rather than disrupt your/this thread more.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39128&hilit=Philip+Dick&start=45

Here is a recent thread on another forum regards PKD's mystical experiences (I am the poster BST):

http://jackpineradicals.com/groups/meta ... ert-crumb/

Get the Sutin Bio!!

Ten favorite science fiction novels

Three Stigmata Palmer Eldritch (my first that I noticed as PKD, try it)
Ubik
Martian Timeslip
Flow My Tears the Policeman Said
The Transmigration of Timothy Archer
Dr Bloodmoney
VALIS
Scanner Darkly
Radio Free Albemuth
Galactic Pothealer

I really like the non-science fiction novels.
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