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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby BenDhyan » Mon May 22, 2017 3:08 am

dada » Mon May 22, 2017 3:41 pm wrote:
BenDhyan » Sun May 21, 2017 7:25 am wrote:Not to discourage intellectual discussion about the subject of the reality represented by the idea of 'enlightenment', but a reminder that enlightenment in the Eastern religious tradition is a state of mind free from duality, ie. a mind free of thought. As the old Zen saying goes....as long as there is a you seeking enlightenment or not seeking enlightenment, you are as far from enlightenment as the day you were born. :)


Every morning, sometime in the middle of my coffee and cigarette, I become enlightened. Feels like the first time, every time!. haha
Fwiw, as you may know from my previous posts on this subject here, I would phrase it a little different so as to reflect my understanding of enlightenment dada..That it seems like always the first time for you, appears to supports my point, but for clarity I will spell it out. When the mind is still without thought, the thinker 'I' does not arise to disturb the direct presence of reality and so a temporary realization of enlightenment occurs, when the mind is once more thinking about the experience, the state of enlightenment ceases. Enlightenment is a non-dual state of mind, an experience without the personal 'I' present, it is a transcendent state of mind. So while I know what you mean, I personally avoid claiming I have experienced or realized enlightenment, for the realization occurs because for that period, the I did not arise to prevent transcendence of the personal mind's waking state interpretation of reality.

Btw, the concept of time is an interesting subject to look into in the context of reality, it is not a real entity as many presume, more just the human mind's conceptual creation to help interpret reality in concordance with limited human sensory awareness.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:12 am

Reconsidering the following, I'm currently leaning to a continuing stasis for some months that is likeliest to be interrupted by 4 or 6.

JackRiddler » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:58 pm wrote:Thanks. Yes #2 is a high probability scenario, of course.

Reposting with edits for thread top, just cos I'm like that.

Just playing basically but I'm thinking the race is on for what becomes the defining event of 2017 in this story.

Which happens first?

1. Factional machinations from within the deep realm ("deep state" is misleading here insofar as it suggests one entity) cause a rotation of Trump out and Pence in.

2. Trump finally succeeds with one of his self-implosions, or receives a crippling punch by the release of some new tape or easily digested business collusion proof.

3. An enabling event appears, or is fashioned out of some found domestic outrage or declared crisis abroad, and this either a) succeeds or b) fails in fashioning some form of emergency sovereignty pretext for the regime. (Obviously 3a is the Trump ideal and would be far the biggest immediate disaster and danger to all.)

4. The market crashes. (Just a matter of time, as always, but the current record-setting is usually a sound indicator. Trump buddy Carl Icahn apparently betting on a crash. Trump would be too, if he were not so firmly attached to the current labeling of a "Trump Rally.")

5. Some giant new outrage sparks a Tahrir Square. (A real one, not a Maidan, though some will want to spin it as the latter. Self-evidently the unlikeliest.)

6. International crisis not engineered by American-based interests engulfs the show.

Without going into an even more speculative discussion, I lean to 4 or 2. 3 is inherent in the agenda, but for all their gambling drive the regime is too poorly ensconced at this time.


Some notes on the possibility of a real "Resistance" from another thread:

JackRiddler » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:01 am wrote:True enough on plastics though I'm sure iam thinks so.

This is not true:

MacCruiskeen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:49 pm wrote:* except, of course, in the imperial Homeland, where the Trump Derangement continues unabated, and a TV-entranced populace continues to seek its salvation in the corporate media, the CIA, the Democratic Party, and a more fetching figurehead to take nominal charge of those 7,000 nukes.


Don't confuse reality with the TV image of the populace, or with the demographic who post a lot about the Putin-Trump psyop, or with the faces who get on TV. I submit the populace is no more TV-entranced than has been average in the last 50 years. Remember, I came of age with "America Held Hostage." The popular hold of the current imperialist permanent-state military-entertainment complex propaganda is far less than then. The main problem for now remains ignorance of the world and lack of a common set of terms (so that the resort to whatever is being blah-blahed tubeside is easier).

There are big and growing movements not taking their cues from the TV or the Democrats. Compare the size and vigor of Black Lives Matter, NoDAPL and the immigrant solidarity actions nationwide with that ludicrous politician-led Russia "Truth" demo of a couple of weeks back. Consider the Chicago teachers' union strikes.

As an example of which I have first-hand knowledge, I know a lot of young people who have gone into the leftish Democratic Socialists (DSA) which has ballooned in New York. You'd believe from the TV that this population group (young, educated, left-liberal, urban, "millennial" meaning economically precarious) is motivated by Trump-Putin. Before you criticize DSA, correctly, that is not remotely the case, I guarantee you, e.g., people actually remember who Comey has always been, for example what he did before the election, and they regard it as a show, as you do. They're all in despair about the direction of the Democrats other than Sanders. (Debate away about the latter. And Sanders is it. People have seen through Warren.) The new people are also now by far the majority in DSA and what it will become is open. Their primary issue focuses are single-payer and protecting public education, student debt and the like. No need to exaggerate or have false hopes, but the movements are here and generally not deluded.

If I vest hope currently, it's in the UK developments, the possibility of Labour coming to power there under Corbyn and the effects on the U.S. If populist (in the best sense) developments in any other country can open a sense of possibilities and influence and motivate movements in the U.S., it would be the UK. (Conceivably also Anglo-Canada or Mexico via the Spanish-speaking population, but far less likely. For whatever set of historical reasons, UK is better followed and comprehended.)

We do lack a meaningful politically effective structure that allows entry and can be flooded with a new majority, as happened with Labour.

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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:26 pm

Now THIS (some idiot's FB comment) is a great example. Bet there are a couple here who would agree:

We have the first president in decades not installed by the trilateral commission who is working to stop the tyrants who killed MLK. There are thousands of sealed indictments across the country. He is bombing the fields and factories of opium in Afghanistan to dry up funding used by the cia to fund terrorists and has freed up law enforcement to arrest child traffickers rather than impeding investigations. You wont see it on tyrant owned media but opposing the president and military men who are attempting to free us if this enslavement is a bad idea. Take an honest look at the situation and dont buy into the cover stories being shown on corporate media. Dont let this opportunity slip away.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:25 pm

JackRiddler » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:26 pm wrote:Now THIS (some idiot's FB comment) is a great example. Bet there are a couple here who would agree:

We have the first president in decades not installed by the trilateral commission who is working to stop the tyrants who killed MLK. There are thousands of sealed indictments across the country. He is bombing the fields and factories of opium in Afghanistan to dry up funding used by the cia to fund terrorists and has freed up law enforcement to arrest child traffickers rather than impeding investigations. You wont see it on tyrant owned media but opposing the president and military men who are attempting to free us if this enslavement is a bad idea. Take an honest look at the situation and dont buy into the cover stories being shown on corporate media. Dont let this opportunity slip away.


Would that FB post be from Boston, perchance? :scaredhide:
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:58 pm

stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:25 pm wrote:Would that FB post be from Boston, perchance? :scaredhide:


No idea, someone I don't know. But not 4B, no.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:00 pm

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/07 ... as-stupid/

Today from William Blum, tales of stupidity of the (first) Cold War. All of the following is adaptable and relevant to today. The John Birch world-map is still a blueprint for a lot of what gets posted on this board regarding Tavistock or George Soros:

+ Around 1950: The House Committee on Un-American Activities published a pamphlet, “100 Things You Should Know About Communism in the U.S.A.” This included information about what a communist takeover of the United States would mean:

Q: What would happen to my insurance?

A: It would go to the Communists.

Q: Would communism give me something better than I have now?

A: Not unless you are in a penitentiary serving a life sentence at hard labor.

+ 1950s: Mrs. Ada White, member of the Indiana State Textbook Commission, believed that Robin Hood was a Communist and urged that books that told the Robin Hood story be banned from Indiana schools. [This so has not changed.]

+ As evidence that anti-communist mania was not limited to the lunatic fringe or conservative newspaper publishers, here is Clark Kerr, president of the University of California at Berkeley in a 1959 speech: “Perhaps 2 or even 20 million people have been killed in China by the new [communist] regime.” One person wrote to Kerr: “I am wondering how you would judge a person who estimates the age of a passerby on the street as being ‘perhaps 2 or even 20 years old.’ Or what would you think of a physician who tells you to take ‘perhaps 2 or even twenty teaspoonsful of a remedy’?”

+ Throughout the cold war, traffic in phoney Lenin quotes was brisk, each one passed around from one publication or speaker to another for years. Here’s U. S. News and World Report in 1958 demonstrating communist duplicity by quoting Lenin: “Promises are like pie crusts, made to be broken.” Secretary of State John Foster Dulles used it in a speech shortly afterward, one of many to do so during the cold war. Lenin actually did use a very similar line, but he explicitly stated that he was quoting an English proverb (it comes from Jonathan Swift) and his purpose was to show the unreliability of the bourgeoisie, not of communists.

“First we will take Eastern Europe, then the masses of Asia, then we will encircle the United States, which will be the last bastion of capitalism. We will not have to attack. It will fall like an overripe fruit into our hands.” This Lenin “quotation” had the usual wide circulation, even winding up in the Congressional Record in 1962. This was not simply a careless attribution; this was an out-and-out fabrication; an extensive search, including by the Library of Congress and the United States Information Agency failed to find its origin.

+ A favorite theme of the anti-communists was that a principal force behind drug trafficking was a communist plot to demoralize the United States. Here’s a small sample:

Don Keller, District Attorney for San Diego County, California in 1953: “We know that more heroin is being produced south of the border than ever before and we are beginning to hear stories of financial backing by big shot Communists operating out of Mexico City.”

Henry Giordano, Commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, 1964, interviewed in the American Legion Magazine: Interviewer: “I’ve been told that the communists are trying to flood our country with narcotics to weaken our moral and physical stamina. Is that true?”

Giordano: “As far as the drugs are concerned, it’s true. There’s a terrific flow of drugs coming out of Yunnan Province of China. … There’s no question that in that particular area this is the aim of the Red Chinese. It should be apparent that if you could addict a population you would degrade a nation’s moral fiber.”

Fulton Lewis, Jr., prominent conservative radio broadcaster and newspaper columnist, 1965: “Narcotics of Cuban origin – marijuana, cocaine, opium, and heroin – are now peddled in big cities and tiny hamlets throughout this country. Several Cubans arrested by the Los Angeles police have boasted they are communists.”

We were also told that along with drugs another tool of the commies to undermine America’s spirit was fluoridation of the water. [By the way, I'm no supporter of fluoridation, but if your story about it starts not with Alcoa finding a way to get paid for dumping pollutants into the water, but with Communists (or whatever other conspiracy) engaging in mind control or intentional mass poisoning, we may differ.]

+ Mickey Spillane was one of the most successful writers of the 1950s, selling millions of his anti-communist thriller mysteries. Here is his hero, Mike Hammer, in “One Lonely Night”, boasting of his delight in the grisly murders he commits, all in the name of destroying a communist plot to steal atomic secrets. After a night of carnage, the triumphant Hammer gloats, “I shot them in cold blood and enjoyed every minute of it. I pumped slugs into the nastiest bunch of bastards you ever saw. … They were Commies. … Pretty soon what’s left of Russia and the slime that breeds there won’t be worth mentioning and I’m glad because I had a part in the killing. God, but it was fun!”

+ 1952: A campaign against the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) because it was tainted with “atheism and communism”, and was “subversive” because it preached internationalism. Any attempt to introduce an international point of view in the schools was seen as undermining patriotism and loyalty to the United States. A bill in the US Senate, clearly aimed at UNESCO, called for a ban on the funding of “any international agency that directly or indirectly promoted one-world government or world citizenship.” There was also opposition to UNESCO’s association with the UN Declaration of Human Rights on the grounds that it was trying to replace the American Bill of Rights with a less liberty-giving covenant of human rights.

+ 1955: A US Army 6-page pamphlet, “How to Spot a Communist”, informed us that a communist could be spotted by his predisposition to discuss civil rights, racial and religious discrimination, the immigration laws, anti-subversive legislation, curbs on unions, and peace. Good Americans were advised to keep their ears stretched for such give-away terms as “chauvinism”, “book-burning”, “colonialism”, “demagogy”, “witch hunt”, “reactionary”, “progressive”, and “exploitation”. Another “distinguishing mark” of “Communist language” was a “preference for long sentences.” After some ridicule, the Army rescinded the pamphlet.

+ 1958: The noted sportscaster Bill Stern (one of the heroes of my innocent youth) observed on the radio that the lack of interest in “big time” football at New York University, City College of New York, Chicago, and Harvard “is due to the widespread acceptance of Communism at the universities.”

+ 1960: US General Thomas Power speaking about nuclear war or a first strike by the US: “The whole idea is tokill the bastards! At the end of the war, if there are two Americans and one Russian, we win!” The response from one of those present was: “Well, you’d better make sure that they’re a man and a woman.”

+ 1966: The Boys Club of America is of course wholesome and patriotic. Imagine their horror when they were confused with the Dubois Clubs. (W.E.B. Du Bois had been a very prominent civil rights activist.) When the Justice Department required the DuBois Clubs to register as a Communist front group, good loyal Americans knew what to do. They called up the Boys Club to announce that they would no longer contribute any money, or to threaten violence against them; and sure enough an explosion damaged the national headquarters of the youth group in San Francisco. Then former Vice President Richard Nixon, who was national board chairman of the Boys Club, declared: “This is an almost classic example of Communist deception and duplicity. The ‘DuBois Clubs’ are not unaware of the confusion they are causing among our supporters and among many other good citizens.”

+ 1966: “Rhythm, Riots and Revolution: An Analysis of the Communist Use of Music, The Communist Master Music Plan”, by David A. Noebel, published by Christian Crusade Publications, (expanded version of 1965 pamphlet: “Communism, Hypnotism and the Beatles”). Some chapters: Communist Use of Mind Warfare … Nature of Red Record Companies … Destructive Nature of Beatle Music … Communist Subversion of Folk Music … Folk Music and the Negro Revolution … Folk Music and the College Revolution

+ 1968: William Calley, US Army Lieutenant, charged with overseeing the massacre of more than 100 Vietnamese civilians in My Lai in 1968, said some years later: “In all my years in the Army I was never taught that communists were human beings. We were there to kill ideology carried by – I don’t know – pawns, blobs, pieces of flesh. I was there to destroy communism. We never conceived of old people, men, women, children, babies.”

+ 1977: Scientists theorized that the earth’s protective ozone layer was being damaged by synthetic chemicals called chlorofluorocarbons. The manufacturers and users of CFCs were not happy. They made life difficult for the lead scientist. The president of one aerosol manufacturing firm suggested that criticism of CFCs was “orchestrated by the Ministry of Disinformation of the KGB.”

+ 1978: Life inside a California youth camp of the ultra anti-communist John Birch Society: Five hours each day of lectures on communism, Americanism and “The Conspiracy”; campers learned that the Soviet government had created a famine and spread a virus to kill a large number of citizens and make the rest of them more manageable; the famine led starving adults to eat their children; communist guerrillas in Southeast Asia jammed chopsticks into children’s ears, piercing their eardrums; American movies are all under the control of the Communists; the theme is always that capitalism is no better than communism; you can’t find a dictionary now that isn’t under communist influence; the communists are also taking over the Bibles.

+ The Reagan administration declared that the Russians were spraying toxic chemicals over Laos, Cambodia and Afghanistan – the so-called “yellow rain” – and had caused more than ten thousand deaths by 1982 alone, (including, in Afghanistan, 3,042 deaths attributed to 47 separate incidents between the summer of 1979 and the summer of 1981, so precise was the information). Secretary of State Alexander Haig was a prime dispenser of such stories, and President Reagan himself denounced the Soviet Union thusly more than 15 times in documents and speeches. The “yellow rain”, it turned out, was pollen-laden feces dropped by huge swarms of honeybees flying far overhead.

+ 1982: In commenting about sexual harassment in the Army, General John Crosby stated that the Army doesn’t care about soldiers’ social lives – “The basic purpose of the United States Army is to kill Russians,” he said.

+ 1983: The US invasion of Grenada, the home of the Cuban ambassador is damaged and looted by American soldiers; on one wall is written “AA”, symbol of the 82nd Airborne Division; beside it the message: “Eat shit, commie faggot.” … “I want to fuck communism out of this little island,” says a marine, “and fuck it right back to Moscow.”

+ 1984: During a sound check just before his weekly broadcast, President Reagan spoke these words into the microphone: “My fellow Americans, I am pleased to tell you I have signed legislation to outlaw Russia, forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.” His words were picked up by at least two radio networks.

+ 1985: October 29 BBC interview with Ronald Reagan: asked about the differences he saw between the US and Russia, the president replied: “I’m no linguist, but I’ve been told that in the Russian language there isn’t even a word for freedom.” (The word is “svoboda”.)

+ 1986: Soviet artists and cultural officials criticized Rambo-like American films as an expression of “anti-Russian phobia even more pathological than in the days of McCarthyism”. Russian film-maker Stanislav Rostofsky claimed that on one visit to an American school “a young girl trembled with fury when she heard I was from the Soviet Union, and said she hated Russians.”

+ 1986: Roy Cohn, who achieved considerable fame and notoriety in the 1950s as an assistant to the communist-witch-hunting Senator Joseph McCarthy, died, reportedly of AIDS. Cohn, though homosexual, had denied that he was and had denounced such rumors as communist smears.

+1986: After American journalist Nicholas Daniloff was arrested in Moscow for “spying” and held in custody for two weeks, New York Mayor Edward Koch sent a group of 10 visiting Soviet students storming out of City Hall in fury. “The Soviet government is the pits,” said Koch, visibly shocking the students, ranging in age from 10 to 18 years. One 14-year-old student was so outraged he declared: “I don’t want to stay in this house. I want to go to the bus and go far away from this place. The mayor is very rude. We never had a worse welcome anywhere.” As matters turned out, it appeared that Daniloff had not been completely pure when it came to his news gathering.

+ 1989: After the infamous Chinese crackdown on dissenters in Tiananmen Square in June, the US news media was replete with reports that the governments of Nicaragua, Vietnam and Cuba had expressed their support of the Chinese leadership. Said the Wall Street Journal: “Nicaragua, with Cuba and Vietnam, constituted the only countries in the world to approve the Chinese Communists’ slaughter of the students in Tiananmen Square.” But it was all someone’s fabrication; no such support had been expressed by any of the three governments. At that time, as now, there were few, if any, organizations other than the CIA which could manipulate major Western media in such a manner.

NOTE: It should be remembered that the worst consequences of anti-communism were not those discussed above. The worst consequences, the ultra-criminal consequences, were the abominable death, destruction, and violation of human rights that we know under various names: Vietnam, Chile, Korea, Guatemala, Cambodia, Indonesia, Brazil, Greece, Afghanistan, El Salvador, and many others.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:42 pm

Option 4 (market crash) always in play and always raises the danger of a preemptive Option 3 (Trumptag attempt, so to speak). The regime is definitely better ensconced today than when I first wrote that list.

Now that all the banks are getting into it a Bitcoin crash could be it. Won't be long before derivatives and shorts are trading at 10, 20 times the total coin value, which will have the effect of boosting coin price up to some eventual stratospheric point, with the awesome daily volatility causing a lot of players to go bust and danger of domino effects. Also, what happens when everyone who wants to buy the underlying asset realizes they can't because no one's selling, supply being so limited, the buyers' cult so committed? Interesting question? Sounds like the increase then goes asymptotic, but I think crash follows for at least two underlying reasons: the energy cost of mining (currently at the level of the Morrocan electric grid and rising exponentially, how many extra power plants does China want to build just for this?) and oh, right, the fact that the underlying "asset" is never going to be used widely as money, so what the fuck is it? I mean, what the fuck is it?

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Some guy on FB named Richard Drayton of Cambridge, United Kingdom wrote:
Bitcoin: settler colonial primitive accumulation + Chinese 'oversaving'.

BTC, to oversimplify greatly but not inaccurately, is a financial technology which depends on transforming Australian coal into a global network of mathematical computation. China is the place where most of this 'value' is invented and socially ratified. The biggest "miners"are in China: 81% of the network 'hash' rate is driven by these. As the images show all of the biggest mining pools are Chinese . These depend principally on coal-based power, with much of the fuel imported from the epic strip mines in Australia (with Australian mining corporations big players in Indonesia, another big Chinese supplier). There are some hydropower based miners in Austria and Iceland, but the global conversation of calculations and collective 'proof' which underlies BTC's "value" would not be sustained without coal from Queensland, New South Wales and Western Australia.
Another way of putting this, is that BTC is actually running on good old fashioned settler colonial 'primitive accumulation', which as Jason W. Moore showed in his essential *Capitalism in the Web of Life* (2015) begins, and continues, as the stripping of "free" environmental wealth and the placing off balance sheet of all environmental costs accrued along the commodity chain from coal's dirty production to its end in radioactive rain and climate change. Also not measured are the human costs of indigenous dispossession, which from Queensland to Appalachia always accompanies the expansion of coal mining frontiers. There is nothing clean about it, it is wholly unsustainable, with the increasing complexity of the calculations requiring more and more energy to sustain them. At least with gold, once you've paid the heavy price of producing it, its there forever. BTC's value is contingent on a constant and growing volume of electricity production, which outstrips renewable supply.

But at the other end, one crucial basis of BTC's price is the glut of capital in China. Capital is looking for homes which yield higher than the pitiful yields available on bonds, is 'cheaper' than equities, and which might find a way through capital controls by the Chinese central bank. This, in a more immediate way, is not sustainable. In the Twentieth century, shocks to the United States economy were the trigger for global crises. In our century, it will be crises in the Chinese economy which will hit us, and the fate of BTC is going to be a canary in that coal mine.


And primitive accumulation for what exactly? Land? Resources? A hoard of capital for an industrial takeoff?

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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby Jerky » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:52 pm

Holy Hell.

I hadn't realized that Bitcoin Fever was taking up so much of the Internet's (and thus the planet's) resources. I mean, I haven't really given Bitcoin much thought, seeing as I currently am not in a position to invest (and probably wouldn't if I was, despite the FOMO being somewhat triggered in me recently), but goddamn. Does crypto really result in THAT much necessary over-computation?! I guess it does. I must defer to more knowledgeable folks and trust in their take on this one, seeing as I have yet to reach the "Experts Don't Know Shit" threshold in my own personal post-Postmodernization phase.

Anyone here own any Bitcoin? I know a few people who are buying in LARGE. It took a pretty big tumble today, I see... down from 20KUS$ to just over 15KUS$.

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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:54 pm

That kind of volatility is thrilling those setting up the derivatives tables at Goldman. It's like the second fucking coming.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:06 pm

JackRiddler » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:42 pm wrote: I think crash follows for at least two underlying reasons: the energy cost of mining (currently at the level of the Morrocan electric grid and rising exponentially, how many extra power plants does China want to build just for this?) and oh, right, the fact that the underlying "asset" is never going to be used widely as money, so what the fuck is it? I mean, what the fuck is it?


N*ck L*and believes it is one of the tentacles of Cthulhu (or "Gnon", if you must). It's the hungry void, pure waste, Nihil Unbound. He loves it, not least because it's going to destroy humankind except for a few high-IQ denizens of China and Singapore who will be required to mine outer space to find the energy to run it. Elon Musk will be allowed to help.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby Jerky » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:14 pm

More and more I am beginning to think that if our species is going to survive, we need to develop serious taboos against "thinking machines" along the lines of what is depicted in Frank Herbert's Dune novels. Of course, they had to go through a "Butlerian Jihad", coming close to annihilation, before deciding to do away with AI technology and shifting towards "wetter" warez in the form of weaponized savants (mentats).

I only hope our version of the Butlerian Jihad isn't as ridiculously brutal as what is depicted in Herbert's son's prequels.

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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby barracuda » Fri Dec 22, 2017 12:56 pm

MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:06 pm wrote:
JackRiddler » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:42 pm wrote: I think crash follows for at least two underlying reasons: the energy cost of mining (currently at the level of the Morrocan electric grid and rising exponentially, how many extra power plants does China want to build just for this?) and oh, right, the fact that the underlying "asset" is never going to be used widely as money, so what the fuck is it? I mean, what the fuck is it?


N*ck L*and believes it is one of the tentacles of Cthulhu (or "Gnon", if you must). It's the hungry void, pure waste, Nihil Unbound. He loves it, not least because it's going to destroy humankind except for a few high-IQ denizens of China and Singapore who will be required to mine outer space to find the energy to run it. Elon Musk will be allowed to help.


There's a nice word for it in econ theory - "illth".
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:22 pm

barracuda » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:56 am wrote:There's a nice word for it in econ theory - "illth".


Indeed, I only wish the concept was in econ theory, it is more found among a few isolated dissidents to the reigning (functionally insane) paradigm. Robert Anton Wilson also uses it.
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Re: Congratulations, Stupid.

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Dec 22, 2017 1:30 pm

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