Who Was Seth Rich?

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:55 am

Good point, Mac; if that happened, it certainly worked.


Just for the record, the summary police incident report:

https://www.muckrock.com/foi/washington ... file-97664

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:56 am

The best for personal defense, imo is a "hammerless" revolver (internal double action hammer)

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I would say you can't tell whether it was a pro hit. A pro might use a revolver rather than a semi-auto to make it look like an amateur robbery. And revolvers are cheap and readily available across the river in Virginia.

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:02 am

So, wait a minute: Seth Rich is calling his girlfriend, then he hears footsteps behind him and hangs up. (Why does he hang up?) Two minutes later he's been shot multiple times in the back, but he also has bruises on his face and hands and he's not been robbed. When the medics find him (when, exactly, and how? *) he's still alive and capable of speech, but he says nothing about what happened to him. Shortly after that, he dies in hospital.

Is that a fair summary? If so, it is a truly bizarre tale.

* Did a neighbour hear those multiple shots and call the cops? If so, surely they looked out the window to see what was happening? There are windows everywhere in that residential neighborhood. And if the shooting was preceded by a brawl/struggle to escape, didn't Seth Rich cry out for help before being shot?
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:05 am

I wonder if a couple of DC first responders have departed this world recently, since June.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:11 am

MacCruiskeen wrote:* Did a neighbour hear those multiple shots and call the cops?



I believe that's what happened; in this video (first posted on page 1), a neighbor describes hearing the shots:

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby coffin_dodger » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:40 am


Fuck me, our cultures are different. Reverence for an instrument of death.
And you wonder how you ended up with Trump as your figurehead.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:25 am

I don't own a firearm of any sort, coffin_dodger. My son was killed in 2006 in a mass murder that took place in Seattle.

While I detest firearms, were I to to own one it would be one of these. We have other members here who own firearms for defensive and sporting reasons, and, considering current events, if they were in the market they should be advised of an appropriate, reliable weapon for their self-defense. Some do not have the martial arts training I have and I feel I adequately protected without carrying a firearm, even at my age. The second is very light, under a pound, ideal for women who would chose to confront an assailant. Because it is small and light, it is an ideal weapon for concealed carry.

It remains within our rights as US citizens to own firearms for sporting purposes or self-defense. Being a subject of the Queen, I doubt you could relate to my rural redneck gun-bearing American culture. But this is what surrounds me and took my son from me. I have had to deal with it daily and you should be adult enough to be able to read about it without criticizing me for writing about it.

We have a "Guns" thread, initiated by JackRiddler and more about my feelings on guns can be found there and elsewhere.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=326035#p326035

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_massacre

I sure I've commented on guns elsewhere, but here's a link to my every mention of "Firearms" for you to better understand my feelings about guns:

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=326035#p326035

I didn't locate my rant, which is all I hoped to link to, but these should suffice in giving one a better understanding of my feelings about firearms.

Thank you for sharing your opinion, coffin_dodger, but I'm afraid you've missed your target this time.

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby OP ED » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:22 am

coffin_dodger » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:40 am wrote:

Fuck me, our cultures are different. Reverence for an instrument of death.
And you wonder how you ended up with Trump as your figurehead.


Possible. Still better than having a Queen.
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Postby Perelandra » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:38 am

Now, now, figureheads are just that, regardless of gender.

Thanks, Iam, for reminders about those subjects.

Sorry, carry on.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby OP ED » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:20 am

I don't take issue with her pants so much as with the divinity of her rights.

And even that not so much as the implied self righteous indignation from occupants of client States to the empire. American Imperialism is so easy to denounce from the comfort of a life bought by American atrocities. (Our culture is violence because we're your children, caring for you in your senility and your customary cushy lifestyle demands our violence)

[when the American empire finally collapses, our vassalage will starve first, this should be kept in mind]

Sorry. I just find the knee jerk reaction to be distasteful at its best, and textbook cognitive dissonance exemplified at its worst.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:56 pm

Re, the UK:

OP ED » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:20 am wrote: the comfort of a life bought by American atrocities. (Our culture is violence because we're your children, caring for you in your senility, and your customary cushy lifestyle demands our violence)



True, all that. And the UK state is not just a dependable enabler and vassal, it is itself a very active participant in the violent crimes of Empire-in-its-current-form.

[when the American empire finally collapses, our vassalage will starve first, this should be kept in mind]


Right. Unless the UK state sees which way the wind is blowing and finds another protector, e.g, a suitably accomodating capitalist Russian regime. Or (best case scenario, and it looks unlikely) unless the people of the UK rise up against the vicious shits who govern them before the planet fries.

But:

your customary cushy lifestyle


It depends who you're addressing. BBC execs and the like - they have a very cushy lifestyle, yes. The bourgeoisie are still largely protected.(rewarded for service.) But, following Bush's Blair, this particular bunch of Tory shits have made life very un-cushy indeed for millions of UK citizens, and they're not going to stop doing it until they've immiserated many more. The British sub-branch of the current Empire is now eating its own citizens again, as it did until 1945. It was only the fear of socialism that ensured the creation of a functioning social democracy. That began to end with Thatcher, and the collapse of the Soviet Union was party time for the planet-eaters, who also eat at home.

The Empire is insatiable, wherever it is. Considering the state of their own state, Brits are in no position to laugh at the state of the USA.

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:05 pm

Elvis » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:11 am wrote:
MacCruiskeen wrote:* Did a neighbour hear those multiple shots and call the cops?


I believe that's what happened; in this video (first posted on page 1), a neighbor describes hearing the shots:



Thanks, Elvis. The Seth Rich case looks like a really productive line of enquiry. I mean, it's not just a curiosity or a side-issue. While the truly deranged * PUTIN HACKED OUR ELECTION!!! campaign intensifies, this case is getting almost no attention in the media at all. Which is... interesting.

"It appears he was targeted," said D.C. Police Captain Anthony Haythe.


^^That's the thing to hang on to.

Are "summary police incident reports" on killings always so remarkably thin on detail as this one?
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/washington-48/police-report-concerning-the-homicide-of-seth-conrad-rich-27227/#file-97664


It tells us literally nothing except who he was and where he was found. Where's the autopsy report?

And it's easy to imagine someone very powerful leaning on the DC police to abort the Seth Rich investigation. I mean, someone powerful enough to block Trump at least temporarily and use PUTIN HACKED OUR ELECTION!!! as a pretext for war with Russia. Someone as powerful as the CIA + the Clintons.

A whistleblower with inside knowledge of a Seth Rich cover-up would be good, but he or she would also have to be very brave.

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* And I mean deranged: See here: viewtopic.php?p=623905#p623905
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby OP ED » Sat Dec 17, 2016 3:16 am

(Oh you're right Mac, not everyone lives a cushy lifestyle, but anyone who can read this is probably North American or a client state of the Atlanticist Establishment Empire currently enforced by teh USA and has at least the means to survive with some comforts which are provided by said Empire in exchange for quiet complicity in endless atrocities)

Seth Rich is the center of something I am still processing. My trend in thinking is Cowboys vs Yankees, JSOC vs Olde Money CIA, and that he is part of the whole wikileaks, pizzagate, fake news, Russian hacking, CF/CGI money laundered clusterfuck. I just haven't wrapped my brain Round it all yet.

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:08 am

Many embedded links here. http://www.newslogue.com/debate/207/CaitlinJohnstone

Caitlin Johnstone and this Newslogue site are new to me, but I share her high estimation of Craig Murrays reliability and integrity.

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Come On, We All Know It Was Seth Rich

It’s stupid we’re still talking about Russian hackers vs. anonymous insiders when we all know who the source of the DNC leaks was.

Most of my readers are probably familiar with Rich’s case, but let me catch you all up just in case.

Seth Rich’s name has been back in the spotlight ever since WikiLeaks operative and former UK ambassador Craig Murray told Dailymail.com a few days ago that U.S. intelligence is once again lying to the American people about the Russian origins of the leaks, stating that both the DNC leaks and the Podesta files instead came from Americans working inside the DNC who did not obtain them by hacking since they had legal access to them. He stated that the leakers were motivated by “disgust at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary election playing field against Bernie Sanders.” Murray (who has actually been saying this since his meeting with Julian Assange in October) has not named the leakers, but Rich was a Data Director at the DNC, and died under highly suspicious circumstances the same month the DNC leaks were released.

Democratic party loyalists have predictably attempted to slander Murray's name since his comments began gaining traction, pointing out that he was fired from his job as ambassador in 2004 for alleged "misconduct", but a little research into his past reveals that he was actually fired for speaking out against torture, decrying the cruel and oppressive government in a nation the UK was courting as an ally, and of course, criticizing the U.S. government. All other manufactured charges against him were dropped, but his dismissal remained, because he had too much integrity for the British government. So he's a truth teller. He's our people.

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In the wee hours of July 10th, 2016, Seth Rich was shot twice in the back when walking from the bar to his home in Washington, D.C. Police ended up calling it it a likely botched robbery, despite the fact that none of Rich’s money or possessions were taken, and the fact that it’s hard to imagine a “botched robbery” ending up with the victim getting shot in the back. Robberies get botched when the victim does something that scares the robber; if they were going to attack him from behind they’d at least take the possessions they were planning on stealing. I could see a robber panicking enough to run away without taking anything if Rich had gotten stupid and tried to bull rush an armed mugger, but if that had happened he’d have been facing the gunman. If he was shot in the back without anything being taken it was because his killer wanted his life, not his wallet.

Seth Rich gave the DNC documents to an intermediary, who passed them on to Craig Murray in a clandestine hand-off near American university, and then Rich was assassinated for crossing powerful people. Twelve days later, the documents he’d leaked were published by WikiLeaks, sparking outrage among Sanders supporters and surely costing Clinton the election.

Since that time, Julian Assange (who's said on more than one occasion that the Russians are not the source of the leaks) has mentioned Seth Rich's murder when speaking of the risks that leakers and whistleblowers take and said "no" when told it was a robbery, and WikiLeaks is offering a twenty thousand dollar reward to anyone who can provide evidence leading to conviction of Rich’s killer. Neither Murray nor Assange has directly confirmed or denied that Rich was the source of the DNC leaks, but they certainly haven’t gone out of their way to avoid that impression.

So that’s the narrative I’m going with, and the hell with anyone who says I should give anonymous sources from the lying den of vipers at the CIA more credibility than the aforementioned mountain of evidence. Not that that will stop Democratic party loyalists from trying to convince me that up is down and day is night.

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Cordelia » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:35 pm

Today is Seth Rich's birthday; he would have been 28 years old. A week from today his murder will be 6 months cold.

Deepest condolences to his family. :praybow

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