What is #Pizzagate?

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What is #Pizzagate?

Right-Wing Hysteria/Hillary-Smear-Campaign
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Psy-Op to Discredit & Distract from Actual High-Level Pedophilia
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An Orchestrated Exposé to Destabilize Power Structures
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A Glimpse into Pedo-Culture in Washington, DC
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Evidence that Comet Ping Pong is a Money-Laundering Front for Child-Porn/Trafficking Business
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Evidence that Comet Ping Pong is both a Front & a Location for Child Abuse, Ritual or Otherwise
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All of the Above
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Other (Specify)
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby guruilla » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:59 am

Kind of you to say so FB. RI is quite the proving ground for developing sanity, or was back in them days.

#Pizzagate must be in the air as I just did this interview in which, unexpectedly, the first question was about exactly that, and the first point I made was exactly this:

FourthBase wrote:This board's history of relentlessly following and discussing the threads of child abuse networks as long as they don't implicate hipster progressives or spoil the art and occult culture


It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby brainpanhandler » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:09 am

FourthBase » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:08 pm wrote: I prefer being an asshole.

No you don't. That's just a defense mechanism. Most assholery of your sort derives from neediness. One would think you had been lurking for years now, growing more and more angry at the board and its participants for their terrorist coddling, hipster progressive ways until you just couldn't stand it anymore. Something had to be done. Such delicate flowers needed a dose of reality apparently and you're here to provide it.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby RocketMan » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:49 am

brainpanhandler » Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:09 pm wrote:
FourthBase » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:08 pm wrote: I prefer being an asshole.

No you don't. That's just a defense mechanism. Most assholery of your sort derives from neediness. One would think you had been lurking for years now, growing more and more angry at the board and its participants for their terrorist coddling, hipster progressive ways until you just couldn't stand it anymore. Something had to be done. Such delicate flowers needed a dose of reality apparently and you're here to provide it.


Damn, that is perceptive af, bph. And, despite my careless name-calling in the other thread (well, he did declare my life along with a few million others basically expendable, so I guess I was somewhat within my rights), I do wish, FourthBase, that you would just take a little time to cool off and consider.

I have mixed feelings about Pizzagate. I think the word itself has been poisoned, if it indeed ever was useful, but I think Alefantis and the Podestas reek of some kind of darkness that is beyond mere Washington Realpolitik.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby FourthBase » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:20 am

brainpanhandler » 06 Jan 2020 07:09 wrote:
FourthBase » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:08 pm wrote: I prefer being an asshole.

No you don't. That's just a defense mechanism. Most assholery of your sort derives from neediness. One would think you had been lurking for years now, growing more and more angry at the board and its participants for their terrorist coddling, hipster progressive ways until you just couldn't stand it anymore. Something had to be done. Such delicate flowers needed a dose of reality apparently and you're here to provide it.


No. You don't really know me. I really do prefer being an asshole. It makes being honest way easier. If it stems from anything, it's laziness.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby FourthBase » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:49 am

RocketMan » 06 Jan 2020 08:49 wrote:
brainpanhandler » Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:09 pm wrote:
FourthBase » Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:08 pm wrote: I prefer being an asshole.

No you don't. That's just a defense mechanism. Most assholery of your sort derives from neediness. One would think you had been lurking for years now, growing more and more angry at the board and its participants for their terrorist coddling, hipster progressive ways until you just couldn't stand it anymore. Something had to be done. Such delicate flowers needed a dose of reality apparently and you're here to provide it.


Damn, that is perceptive af, bph. And, despite my careless name-calling in the other thread (well, he did declare my life along with a few million others basically expendable, so I guess I was somewhat within my rights), I do wish, FourthBase, that you would just take a little time to cool off and consider.

I have mixed feelings about Pizzagate. I think the word itself has been poisoned, if it indeed ever was useful, but I think Alefantis and the Podestas reek of some kind of darkness that is beyond mere Washington Realpolitik.


"Pizzagate" as a surface meme is definitely toxic. What I would like to have seen more of is rationally paranoid people sort it into Bullshit and Not Necessarily Bullshit piles, like ISGP tried. Then give it a new name.

If people here don't feel like doing that until the day after Election Day, I would understand. I'm still gonna do it, though. I wouldn't really care if reviving Pizzagate by removing all the disinformation tumors were to somehow help get Trump re-elected. So be it. Although, presumably, since there's no Clinton running against him, he'd be the only one that reintroducing a pedophilia ring into the news would hurt. If he's really part of it, then he'll go down in flames, too. If it'll make any difference, I could tag every new Pizzagate post of mine with one of a thousand reminders that Trump is an Epstein pal, too? Like this:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08 ... alling-out
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby thrulookingglass » Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:11 pm

In a word: a lie. Never happened. A complete and total fugazi.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby RocketMan » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:30 pm

thrulookingglass » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:11 pm wrote:In a word: a lie. Never happened. A complete and total fugazi.


Well, if the choices are this and that there is a Democratic Party satanic pedo cult operating out of a pizza parlor in DC, I guess I would go with this... :shrug: Still, the Podestas and Alefantis give me the heebie jeebies. And what the fuck was seriously up with the Madeleine McCann perp sketch where the guys looked exactly like the Podestas down to A MOLE in the correct place?? JFC it's a weird world. \<]
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby liminalOyster » Tue May 05, 2020 2:31 am

Marina Abramovic Just Wants Conspiracy Theorists to Let Her Be
“I am an artist, not a Satanist,” the performance artist said after an online outcry prompted Microsoft to take down a video of her. It’s not the first time she’s faced the accusation.

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By Alex Marshall
Published April 21, 2020
Updated April 23, 2020


On April 10, Microsoft uploaded a film to its YouTube account about Marina Abramovic, the Serbian performance artist known for pushing her body to the limit.

Ms. Abramovic’s work can be violent, sometimes bloody, but the Microsoft video was more innocuous: It was focused on “The Life,” in which museumgoers wear special headsets so that Ms. Abramovic seems to appear before them.

The video was essentially some P.R. fluff for the tech company’s role in the artwork, which is scheduled to be auctioned by Christie’s in October. But in one corner of the internet, it was seen as something else entirely: evidence of a Satanist conspiracy.

Soon after the film appeared, it was being discussed in those terms on Reddit and other social media platforms. An article on the conspiracy theory website Infowars accused Microsoft of working with a “witch,” a “black magic performer” and a “Luciferian individual.”

As the online clamor escalated, the YouTube clip racked up more than 24,000 dislikes. Microsoft took it down on April 14. “We recognize that our association with this project served as a catalyst for online attacks,” a Microsoft spokeswoman said in an email.

Ms. Abramovic said in a telephone interview that she was not consulted before Microsoft took the video down, adding that she had rarely spoken about her treatment by conspiracy theorists because she did not want to encourage them. She is breaking that silence now, she said, because she is fed up.

“I need to open my heart,” Ms. Abramovic said. “I really want to ask these people, ‘Can you stop with this? Can you stop harassing me? Can’t you see that this is just the art I’ve been doing for 50 years of my life?’”


ImageIn the 1990s, Ms. Abramovic created &ldquo;Spirit Cooking,&rdquo; a series of works in which she painted recipes on gallery walls in pig&rsquo;s blood.
In the 1990s, Ms. Abramovic created “Spirit Cooking,” a series of works in which she painted recipes on gallery walls in pig’s blood.

The conspiracy theory goes back to October 2016, when WikiLeaks released hacked emails from the account of John Podesta, then the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. The emails included one from Ms. Abramovic, in which she discussed Mr. Podesta’s invitation to a “Spirit Cooking” dinner at her home.

Some internet users saw this as evidence that tied Ms. Abramovic to a wider conspiracy known as #PizzaGate, in which Mr. Podesta was said to be involved in a child-trafficking ring run out of a pizza parlor.

Ms. Abramovic said the “Spirit Cooking” dinner, which had the same name as a book and a performance in which she painted absurd recipes in blood on the walls of an Italian gallery, actually involved her cooking a few simple dishes for about 20 people who had donated to her art institute.

“We had lots of fun,” she said. “There was no human blood, or baby serving, or sex orgies.” So when the conspiracy theories started popping up, Ms. Abramovic said, she thought it was “just insane.”

“I am an artist, not a Satanist!” she said.

Ms. Abramovic said she expected the rumors to last a few weeks, at most, then disappear. Four years later, they haven’t.

Since then, Ms. Abramovic has received many emailed death threats — sometimes three a day, she said. The organizers of some of her shows had also received threats, she added, including the Royal Academy in London, where she is scheduled to have a retrospective this year, and the Bavarian State Opera in Munich, where she is hoping to stage a new opera.

On the same day Microsoft released its video, a group of conspiracy-minded filmmakers uploaded a 78-minute film to YouTube called “Out of Shadows,” which resurfaced all the old claims about Ms. Abramovic, and also suggested that she had used mind-control techniques on Lady Gaga, the pop star. That video has since been viewed more than nine million times.

Ms. Abramovic said she was most hurt by how the conspiracy theorists took images from her work and twisted the meaning to bolster their case. Among those images, she said, was a picture of her sitting on a pile of bloody cow bones. The image was from “Balkan Baroque,” a work that Ms. Abramovic performed at the 1997 Venice Biennale, where she won the Golden Lion for Best Artist.

In that piece, she spent five days in a sweltering Venice basement, trying in vain to scrub the bones clean. It was a comment on the Balkan wars of the 1990s, Ms. Abramovic said, and how, once blood is spilled, you can’t wash it off your hands.

“How can this be satanic?” she said. “Tell me!”

Another image used repeatedly shows Ms. Abramovic holding a bloody ram’s head: This photograph was taken from a 2014 photo shoot for Vogue magazine’s Ukraine edition, and was intended as a comment on that country’s war, she said. (This one did “look like something out of a satanic movie,” she said with a laugh, but that was clearly not the intention.)


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Conspiracy theorists have even used some of Ms. Abramovic’s oldest, most renowned works to bolster their case, including one in which she lay down in a flaming five-pointed star, and another where she carved that shape into her stomach. Ms. Abramovic said the stars were meant to invoke a Communist symbol she had grown up with in Yugoslavia, not a satanic pentagram.

The online harassment hadn’t impacted her professionally, Ms. Abramovic said, since “the people who really have common sense in this business see this as nonsense.” But the threats have taken a toll on her private life. “I am personally afraid that any kind of lunatic with a gun will come and shoot me, because they think I’m a Satanist,” she said.

Last year, religious protesters picketed the opening of a retrospective of Ms. Abramovic’s work in Poland. And, in 2018, an artist smashed a painting over her head at an exhibition opening in Florence, Italy, though this appeared to be unrelated to any conspiracy theories. (Ms. Abramovic’s attacker told her it was a piece of performance art.)

Ms. Abramovic said she had considered taking defensive measures: She said she consulted lawyers on April 17 about suing Alex Jones, the founder of Infowars, over articles about her on the site. “He’s making money from hurting innocent people,” she said. But she ultimately decided any action would be too expensive and take years.

“All I want to know is how I can overcome this and have a positive outcome,” she said. “Fear is the worst human emotion.”

Ms. Abramovic added that perhaps if the people attacking her really engaged with her work, they would see that their view was mistaken.

Thousands of people came to see her 2010 work “The Artist Is Present” at the Museum of Modern Art in New York, Ms. Abramovic said, often waiting hours for the opportunity to stare into her eyes. Many found the experience moving, she added.

She added that she would be willing to let the conspiracy theorists sit opposite her, too, if it would help them understand her work.

But even that might not help. “Their energy is driven by conspiracy theory,” she said. “They don’t have another theory to replace it.”

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I know this music...

Postby annie aronburg » Tue May 05, 2020 5:20 am

Now where have we heard this before?...

https://medium.com/@arringtond/how-i-be ... f14eceaffe
"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby SonicG » Tue May 05, 2020 6:32 am

Real Magicians know, show magic in public, real magic in private...
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby SonicG » Tue May 05, 2020 6:38 am

annie aronburg wrote:Now where have we heard this before?...

https://medium.com/@arringtond/how-i-be ... f14eceaffe


Hi Annie!!

Bandcamp is waiving its commission for a few months ~
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby annie aronburg » Tue May 05, 2020 1:57 pm

thrulookingglass » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:11 pm wrote: A complete and total fugazi.

of all the terms one could choose...
"O Oysters," said the Carpenter,
"You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none--
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They'd eaten every one.
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why would I order out when I can make better at home?

Postby annie aronburg » Tue May 05, 2020 10:40 pm

SonicG » Tue May 05, 2020 5:38 am wrote:
annie aronburg wrote:Now where have we heard this before?...

https://medium.com/@arringtond/how-i-be ... f14eceaffe


Hi Annie!!

Bandcamp is waiving its commission for a few months ~
https://arrington.bandcamp.com/




Back around this thread's nascency, Mr Aronburg embarked on a musical collaboration with some supposedly like-minded allies from Europe introduced to him via mutal association. I wasn't sure what to make of the Completely Innocent Artist showing up to skin-walk my husband's vibe on the 18th anniversary of his attempted assassination/sterilization/ersatz crucifixion [in layman's terms, his first 11-hour operation for stage IV testicular cancer at age 27 ], at a venue personal to me, in a town we fled due to COINTELPRO-scented antics, UN-INVITED. Just straight-cold inserted himself into the gig, all non-consensually, three months after his pizza murals made him a right-wing cause célèbre.

Even the racist Italian duo in the group were all, "We've come all the way from Italy after a year of planning. If questo uomo is so keen to play with us, why didn't he put on a show in his town, where he has any number of resources, located between these two stops on our itinerary, rather than trying to squeeze on our gig?"

Kind of reminded me of the time Isaac Brock had a misunderstanding regarding consent with an admirer up in Seattle, then showed up in Portland looking to crash at my place while the heat died down. Or when Jim Hogshire was hiding out at Adam Parfrey's loft after that dust-up with Bob Black. Sort of like this thread's OP showing up at my place with his brand-new internet fiancee hoping to avoid an ass-kicking back in Hope, twelve or whatever years ago. Looking for cover, a safe harbour, innocence by association.

Mr Aronburg, with his unrecognizable last name and non-existent CV, applied several years in a row to perform at Mr Completely Innocent Artist's Festival of Unlistenable Music in Olympia, WAAAAAAAAAAAH without receiving so much as a "thanks no thanks" in reply. I get it, they were probably FLOODED with applications from all the other free jazz white dudes who can trace their lineage back to slavery. Perhaps he was simply too mainstream, too popular, for such an underground event.

Fifteen years and a Q-bert shitstorm later, Mr Completely Innocent Artist (YET another one of these fucking Chicago assholes) and his empty-headed wife are hiring a baby sitter and putting in 6 hours behind the wheel to crash Mr A's only Wet Coast gigs in over a decade. I bet he brought his horn with him to the Seattle gig, too, the ball-hog. Completely Innocent Artist's wife made clear to remind my husband how simpatico they all were due to her association with his mystical Hollywoo cousin, who my husband doesn't know and hasn't seen since 1992, the opposite way to make friends with him. 

Like Grandma Z once said to yet another cousin treating her like an emotional bank machine, "If we're so close, honey, how come we haven't heard from you 'til now?"

It turns out the duo Mr A was touring with weren't quite the groovy Bolognese hippies they disguised themselves to be. Their notions of class ("I hate the poor"), race ("John Coltrane was a boolshit junkie") and gender ("Virgie, I'ma hungry, makea me to eat") were straight from Scorcese Central Casting and impossible to conceal after a few weeks in close contact. The things they said were so outlandish, we could only respond with THE BLACKEST gospel music we could summon from the youtubes every waking hour spent in their company. I don't like it when people talk shit about my husband in front of me in a language they don't know I understand. Italian Satanists, amirite? Anyways, I am not surprised shit's gone sideways in Lombardy if those greasy little ninnies were any indication of regional caritas.

He might be an Americanino Boolshitter-arounder in the Po Valley, but Mr Aronburg made a lovely journey in Finland two years ago (in an alternate timeline, he'd be flying into Tampere to start his second tour today)  On his return, we learned Mr Completely Innocent Artist was feeling up my husband's Finnish contacts to put together a tour for himself. I guess there's really only so many promoters in any market with the tolerance and inclination to support the "music" of poverty and obscurity.  How is it, though, that a celebrity I am not naming for search engine reasons, supported by SO many aspects of the music, fashion and art economies (all laundries), signed to an ultra cool (very creepy) label, LEADER of multiple touring acts (never a bridesmaid!), festival promoter, pizza parlor muralist, international man of mystery has to avail himself of the paltry resources of an admittedly more handsome fellow who has languished for the last fifteen years washing dishes, working at at feedlot and performing primarily with rural octo- and nonagenarians? Is my math wrong or did someone forget to carry the reciprocal?

A familiar aroma of resource acquisition/gentrification, first by association and then by invading the territory. Have you heard this tune before? One man used to further the ambitions of another, paler man. No real community, no mutual exchange of privileges, just shifty jock moves. Don't take no cheese pizza to make me hate the dude, he sucks just on principle. A taker, a not-sharer. A whitener of Black Music, an eraser of Black History.

From observation I can tell you that getting punched in the face by a cop at a riot is often the best way for someone with little or no soul to advance their personal social agenda. Am I the only person who takes note when an obvious Thirst Queen has such an assiduously minimalist wikipedia entry? Where this particular character is concerned, his self-inflicted kompromat is likely a cover for whatever the fuck he's up to in Indonesia, maybe it involves water contamination?

I wonder if the families of the children he's entertaining in this photo
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/27 ... -indonesia
have acquainted themselves with his other modes of expression?

As recently as last month, Mr Completely Innocent Artist was seeking out the identifiable mothers of any profiles trolling his feed regarding this thread's keyword to complain, like a common baby brother tattle-tale. You'd think he'd spend these end times tootling on his shofar, but no.

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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Wed May 06, 2020 3:24 am

Wish I could remember how to "do" links n pix 'cause I gots 'em...


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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby JackRiddler » Wed May 06, 2020 9:19 am

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annie, what a damned interesting story! You have a way with narrative.

Sure, the violins are out for Abramovic, but the fact is, her hell should have been to be ignored as a fraud with her extremely pretentious, totally apolitical and intellectually bereft gore-movie exploitation of the Yugoslav war and other tragedies. This kind of bourgeois art is praised for having no content, only form and a supposedly unsettling "emotion," for being "gut-level" bullshit, for somehow processing the unspeakable and incomprehensible. We can't absorb the reality of a holocaust, and here comes Abramovic to say that, because no one else every had the thought. It was already a way old schtick by her own time, an LCD for real-existing bourgeois patrons who can congratulate themselves by pretending this is all somehow "shocking" to a different, no longer existent, Victorian bourgeois sensibility. As it turns out, the game of affecting to be "shocked" by Abramovic can also be played by the bogus Christianists.

Also, fuck her for a cowardly defense like, "I am not a Satanist," as if there would be anything to apologize for, if she had ever dabbled in those tepid waters. "Satanism" is Christian-mocking secularism with Nietzschean salt, witchy whimsy, and libertarian fantasy. When you diss the Satanists, I will tell you what you are not, Marina: You are not Spartacus!

This doesn't justify the #Pizzagate treatment, or more importantly, the extremely disruptive role this fabrication has played in the service of disinfo and distraction.

Regardess of origins and initial intention behind this big lie, its function is nearly all that matters.

Functionally it serves as a cover or guard for the real-world Epstein story, on the one extreme, and for routine Tammany-Mob system of the DNC and Co. on the other (okay, this is on a very short spectrum of criminal government). Functionally, it erases the achievement of Wikileaks' exposure of the Clinton-Podesta-DNC files. Functionally, like most conspiracist ideology of its ilk, it's a release valve to allow patriotic Christian "pro-business" right-wingers to be appalled (and no doubt thrilled) at something fictional (and defamatory) that is sort of like the real world, but avoids relevant but unsettling descriptors like American, normal, traditional, capitalist, religious, Christian, white, patriarchal, government, military, etc. and swaps in concepts like "satanist," globalist, "cosmopolitan," "liberal," etc. These please a certain limited segment of the right, and serve to make everyone else want to reject all analysis beyond what's in the corporate media as "conspiracy theory." Perfect confusionism.

One of the perennial fight-vectors on this board is between those who think this kind of confusionist disinfo action is very bad and very important (because of how it functions) and must be condemned, and those who think it's trivial compared to the big corporate propaganda lies, who think it's a distraction to condemn it. I'm with the former, obviously. Because of how it functions.

Alex Jones and QAnon and Pizzagate are very small businesses compared to the corporate billionaire-funded spooked-up DC lobbies and law firms and consultancies and PR factories and think tanks and foundations, but the conspiracy-fabricating cottage industry serves an indispensable function. They are like a firewall. People go crazy about gatekeepers, about limited hangouts, but those are easier to see through, and don't have the same visceral attraction of the poison-pill merchants. I'm not going to say whether it's worse to fabricate the original lie, to hide or confuse the truth, or to intentionally offer an alternative truth that is an even more ridiculous lie. I'm saying these serve each other, they fit together, they overdetermine an outcome in which justice never comes and truth is impossible to know. And the major purveyors I mention above know it. They are part of the propaganda system. If the analogy were organic, they wouldn't be the muscle or the lungs, let alone the brain, but they'd be essential to how it works, like a pancreas. (Damn you, pancreas! Grrrrr!)

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