Lorry attack(?) at German Christmas market

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Re: Lorry attack(?) at German Christmas market

Postby Harvey » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:05 pm

So, can you allow Hugh back on the board for a short spell? Has a nose for it. Coincidences, eh?

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Re: Lorry attack(?) at German Christmas market

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:55 pm

MacCruiskeen » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:13 pm wrote:Remember that speeding, marauding, unavoidably fast lorry? Now they turn round and tell us it was travelling at -- wait for it -- 9.2 mph:

"Um kurz nach 20 Uhr hält er an einer roten Ampel. Als die Ampel auf Grün springt, fährt Amri [sic] an. Es ist 20.02 Uhr. Mit rund 15 km/h schiebt sich der Lkw auf den Weihnachtsmarkt. 15 km/h sind nicht besonders schnell, doch an diesem Abend auf dem überfüllten Markt genug, um Menschen zu überrollen und Buden niederzureißen. Die Opfer haben keine Chance. "

http://www.zeit.de/2017/15/anis-amri-an ... ettansicht


9.2 mph. This entire yarn stinks. It makes no sense at all.


The yarn continues (next three sentences):

Amri schafft es nicht, den Wagen stärker zu beschleunigen. Laut einem Ermittler [who???] wickelt sich die Lichterkette eines Weihnachtsbaums um die Achse [!] und blockiert das Rad. [!!] Der Lkw wird langsamer, zieht nach links durch das Spalier der Buden und kommt auf der Budapester Straße zum Stehen. ...

http://www.zeit.de/2017/15/anis-amri-an ... en/seite-8


Translation:

Amri doesn't manage to accelerate the lorry. According to an investigator [who???], a chain of lights from a Christmas tree gets tangled round the axis[!] and blocks the wheel.[!!] The lorry slows down, moves left between the two lines of huts and comes to a halt on the Budapester Str.


In other words: 9.2 mph was the maximum speed reached by that lorry on its whole stately procession through the Christmas market. For much of those 80 meters, the vehicle was travelling even more slowly.

So how did it manage -- as we were told it did -- to kill 12 people and injure 56?
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Re: Lorry attack(?) at German Christmas market

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:22 am

Anschlag am Breitscheidplatz: V-Mann soll Amri zu Anschlägen angestiftet haben
20.10.17, 06:59 Uhr Berlin

Es sind unfassbare Vorwürfe: Ein vom Landeskriminalamt NRW geführter Informant in der Islamistengruppe um den Attentäter Anis Amri soll selbst zu Anschlägen aufgefordert haben. Das berichteten der Rundfunk Berlin-Brandenburg (rbb) und die „Berliner Morgenpost“ am Donnerstag unter Berufung auf mehrere Strafverteidiger von Islamisten aus der Gruppe um Abu Walaa. „Wir prüfen das“, hieß es dazu aus dem NRW-Innenministerium in Düsseldorf.

Dem Medienbericht zufolge hatte ein ehemaliger Anhänger der Islamisten-Szene bereits im Dezember 2016 mehrfach vor dem V-Mann gewarnt. Dieser habe vor Mitstreitern gesagt, man brauche „gute Männer, die in der Lage sind Anschläge zu verüben“. Laut einem internen Bericht des NRW-Verfassungsschutzes habe ein Islamist berichtet, der V-Mann habe „nach einem zuverlässigen Mann für einen Anschlag mit einem Lkw“ gesucht. Damit stehe der Verdacht im Raum, der Informant könnte in die Planungen für einen Terroranschlag selbst eingebunden gewesen sein und sie forciert haben.
„Komm, du hast eh keinen Pass, mach hier was, mach einen Anschlag.“

Das LKA NRW habe die Aussagen des Aussteigers über den V-Mann als „wenig glaubwürdig“ eingestuft. Dabei hätten sie sich allerdings auf die Aussagen ihres V-Manns gestützt. Ein ehemaliger Anhänger der Abu-Walaa-Gruppe sagte laut rbb, der V-Mann sei sogar „der Radikalste“ gewesen. Die meisten Gruppenmitglieder hätten nicht über Anschläge in Deutschland gesprochen, da sie nach Syrien zum Kämpfen ausreisen wollten.

Der V-Mann („VP-01“) soll mehrmals zu Mitgliedern der Gruppe gesagt haben: „Komm, du hast eh keinen Pass, mach hier was, mach einen Anschlag.“ Die Vertrauensperson des LKA sei häufig mit Amri unterwegs gewesen und habe ihn in seine Unterkünfte gefahren. Bereits früher hatten „Süddeutsche Zeitung“, WDR und NDR über den V-Mann des LKA NRW sowie Hinweise auf ihn berichtet. Am 21. Dezember 2016, zwei Tage nach dem Anschlag auf dem Berliner Breitscheidplatz, habe sich in Duisburg ein Mann bei der Polizei gemeldet. Der Zeuge habe Amri auf Bildern erkannt. Sie hätten gemeinsam in Gebetsräumen in Duisburg und Dortmund gebetet, der Kontakt sei im Februar 2016 abgebrochen.
Zeuge warnte vor Amri

Amri, so der Zeuge weiter, sei dann nach Berlin gezogen – gefahren habe ihn ein Mann in einem Pkw mit Leverkusener Kennzeichen. Der Zeuge habe die Beamten des Polizeipräsidiums Duisburg gewarnt: Gegen diesen Mann müsse dringend ermittelt werden, er sei radikal. Er habe immer wieder gesagt, dass man Anschläge in Deutschland verüben solle, dass man gute Männer brauche, die dazu in der Lage seien. Der Mann, vor dem der Zeuge gewarnt habe, werde beim LKA NRW als „VP01“ geführt, eine Vertrauensperson, ein vom Staat bezahlter Informant, berichteten „Süddeutsche Zeitung“, WDR und NDR. (dpa)
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Re: Lorry attack(?) at German Christmas market

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:29 am

Police informant encouraged Islamists to carry out attacks in Germany: report
A German police informant has been accused of inciting terror acts - and allegedly had links to the Berlin Christmas market attacker, according to media reports Thursday.
20 October 2017 09:02 CEST+02:00
The suspect reportedly encouraged extremists to carry out attacks in Germany rather than travel to Syria, according to a report seen by German broadcaster ARD. If confirmed, it is another blow to the country's security forces, who have already been criticised, in a recent report, for making serious errors. The North Rhine-Westphalia police force in west Germany, where the informant worked, did not comment on the matter. The informant allegedly had strong links to Tunisian Anis Amri, who killed 12 people and left 56 injured when he ploughed a truck into crowds in Berlin in December last year. Officials have already admitted a series of security failures that allowed Amri to register under multiple identities and evade authorities while he was in contact with Islamist militants. Several lawyers have said the alleged police informer tried to push their clients, accused of having jihadists links, to carry out attacks. "Let's kill those non-believers. We need good men to do these attacks here in Germany," he allegedly said, according to lawyer Ali Aydin.
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Re: Lorry attack(?) at German Christmas market

Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:47 am

Yep. Another obvious set-up job.

And of course the German media have been shocked, shocked, by the amazing incompetence of the cops & spooks, both before and after the notorious 9 mph "incident". Pleiten, Pech & Pannen, or so we're told, incessantly. That they might actually deliberately and competently participate in these crimes (and then lie about them) is simply unimaginable, or at least it's strictly unmentionable.
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Re: Lorry attack(?) at German Christmas market

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:57 am

MacCruiskeen » 5 minutes ago wrote:Yep. Another obvious set-up job.

And of course the German media have been shocked, shocked, by the amazing incompetence of the cops & spooks, both before and after the notorious 9 mph "incident". Pleiten, Pech & Pannen, or so we're told, incessantly. That they might actually deliberately and competently participate in these crimes (and then lie about them) is simply unimaginable, or at least it's strictly unmentionable.


Indeed. Incomprehensible, I tell ya! Shocking! Of course it being an informant instead of a undercover cop (a meaningless distinction in my opinion, just as with the NSU affair), they have the excuse that it was a big bad Muslim who set it in motion. How convenient. No matter how many warnings the coppers ignored, it's just mistakes. Always mistakes. Every single time.
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Re: Lorry attack(?) at German Christmas market

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:20 pm

We're not supposed to entertain conspiracy theories, but it's perfectly okay to believe that those trained to deal with such crimes are merely incompetent. Right. Got it. :wallhead:
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Re: Lorry attack(?) at German Christmas market

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:51 pm

Brief update for non-German-speakers: The Amri Affair is the ongoing subject of a commission of inquiry (Untersuchungsausschuss) launched in July of this year.

Defective investigation and obstruction of justice

On 17 May 2017 the Interior Ministry of Berlin stated that already in November 2016 intelligence was given that Anis Amri was involved in criminal offenses concerning drug trafficking. On this basis authorities would have been able to apprehend Amri already at the time, however they did not.An investigation was launched trying to find out to what extent these informations were withheld by the State Criminal Police Office of Berlin after the attack happened.[110] Several days later, while the investigation for obstruction of justice was still going on, a speaker of the Interior Ministry said that manipulations of the file of Amri have been carried out by officers of the criminal investigation department after the attack.[111] On 22 May 2017 a commission of inquiry was initiated starting in July. [b]Meanwhile, a special prosecuter was appointed to the case.[112] In addition to the ongoing investigation concerning manipulations of the file and withholding of information, national TV reported on 1 June, that officers who were ordered by an investigating judge in Berlin to observe Amri until October 2016 for criminal offenses and possible terrorist links did not do so and instead included untrue records regarding observating actions in his file.[113]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berl ... of_justice
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Re: Lorry attack(?) at German Christmas market

Postby Grizzly » Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:39 pm

like CLOCK WORK....
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Re: Lorry attack(?) at German Christmas market

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:20 am

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/br ... -li.116505
[Achtung! translation mine]
Berlin On Thursday, Pegida founder Lutz Bachmann has been summoned as a witness to the Bundestag's investigative committee on the 2016 attack on Breitscheidplatz. Shortly after the crime, he had written on Twitter that the assassin was a "Tunisian Muslim". At that time, the identity of the suspected assassin Anis Amri was not yet known.

Berlin Der Pegida-Gründer Lutz Bachmann ist am Donnerstag als Zeuge im Untersuchungsausschuss des Bundestags zum 2016 verübten . Er hatte kurz nach der Tat auf Twitter geschrieben, der Attentäter sei ein „tunesischer Moslem“. Zu diesem Zeitpunkt war die Identität des mutmaßlichen Attentäters Anis Amri noch nicht bekannt.


I searched RI for Lutz Bachmann's name just to make sure his apparent foreknowledge of the alleged assassin's identity had not already been posted here. It yielded two results related to his founding of Pegida, but nothing in this thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutz_Bachmann
So here goes: per the wiki and related links, dude's got a long criminal history, which includes robbery and cocaine trafficking and fleeing and being brought back. He also happens to have founded a public relations firm. And, he somehow knew the identity of the apparent driver of the truck that killed so many people at the Christmas market on Breitscheidplatz, in addition to founding Pegida, of course, which would be what he's most widely known for.

The distinction is how soon he tweeted his tweet and what is meant by "not yet known". We know from the subsequent investigation that, one, Anis Amri was in fact known to authorities, even if not yet identified as the attacker at the time of Bachmann's tweet. The question would then be where he got his information and why he'd either have had access to it or been so acquainted with the person who leaked it to him. I cannot help but think that regardless of the goal of his today being questioned, that people of official law enforcement status would rather we not know.
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