Helter Skelter in Trumpland

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Helter Skelter in Trumpland

Postby stefano » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:42 am

There's an older 'Helter Skelter' thread, but it didn't seem germane to this. I expect more incidents of racial violence, and for the social effect of these to be amplified by the media, under Trump. The level of cruelty will also probably go up.

Facebook Live attack: Four held in Chicago

Four people have been arrested in the US city of Chicago over a video live-streamed on Facebook, in which a bound and gagged man was assaulted.

The man being assaulted has special needs, police say. His assailants can be heard making derogatory statements against white people and President-elect Donald Trump.

In one part of the video they use a knife to remove part of his scalp.

Chicago police have described the video as a "sickening" possible hate crime.

"It makes you wonder what would make individuals treat somebody like that," Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said in a press conference streamed on Twitter.

"I've been a cop for 28 years, and I've seen things that you shouldn't see in a lifetime, but it still amazes me how you still see things that you just shouldn't."

Police say the unnamed white victim is an acquaintance of one of the attackers and may have been kidnapped for up to 48 hours prior to the assault.

They say he has been released from hospital after being traumatised by the attack.


In the press conference senior police officers paid tribute to the speedy response of officers in rescuing the stricken man.

In the 30-minute video, the attackers can be seen cutting the 18-year-old victim's clothes, dropping cigarette ash on him, pushing his head back with a foot and drawing blood by cutting off some of his hair with a knife.

Several people can be seen laughing and smoking as the attack takes place.

What is perhaps most striking about the video — apart from the awful, casual brutality — is how brazen it is.

This was a live broadcast to the world which showed a group of people drinking, smoking and laughing while their bound and gagged captive cowered, petrified, in the corner of the room.

In other videos posted online the young man is beaten, made to drink from a toilet bowl and forced at knife-point to say "I love black people."


It is shocking but in truth gangland violence is far from uncommon in Chicago which recorded 762 murders last year, more than in the larger cities of New York and Los Angeles combined.

In speeches and tweets Donald Trump has made much of the crime and racial division in the city where President Barack Obama worked as an activist and a senator.

The incoming president now faces the much tougher challenge of turning damning words into useful actions.

The incident happened on Tuesday, police say, in a flat on Chicago's West Side. Police say they found the victim wandering in the streets in a disorientated and distressed state after the assault.

Later they say they responded to reports of an assault close to where he was discovered and uncovered evidence of violence and damage to property.

Police say the victim was a high-risk missing person and two men and two women are now in custody.

In June a Chicago man was shot dead while live-streaming a video of himself on Facebook.


FOX 32 NEWS - Chicago investigators are questioning four African-Americans after a Facebook Live video shows a group of people torturing a white mentally disabled man while someone yelled "F*** Trump!" and "F*** white people!"

Chicago police were made aware of the video Tuesday afternoon. A young African American woman streamed the video live on Facebook showing at least four people holding the young white man hostage.
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At one point, the victim is held at knife point and told to curse President-elect Donald Trump. The group also forces the victim to drink water from a toilet.

The suspects can be heard saying they want the video to go viral.


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Chicago Police Cmdr. Kevin Duffin said the victim knew one of the alleged attackers from school. The victim, who was reported missing from his home in a Chicago suburb, initially went voluntarily with his acquaintance to the city in a stolen van, Duffin said.

The alleged attackers were 18, he said, and they appear to have held the victim against his will for hours before letting him go.


The videos are on this Buzzfeed page, I can't get them to embed.
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Postby SonicG » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:50 am

This is really shitty, but I hope things don't enter Helter Skelter land...You did hear about Manson's failing health?

Oh, and cuckold too...
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Re: Helter Skelter in Trumpland

Postby Novem5er » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:46 am

So, a couple of things . . .

Why didn't the criminals just kill the guy? I'm glad they didn't, but it seems weird that they would do all these terrible things to him and then just let him go, especially since the victim knew one of the perpetrators. Maybe there was something in these criminal's minds or souls that told them to hold back, to not take it that far . . . which may be a little miracle of its own.

Also, how did they not expect to get caught? Are people really that dumb?

Lastly, how long until people say this was a false flag, or a set-up by stooges to incite more racial tension and make white Trump supporters look like a targeted minority?
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Re: Helter Skelter in Trumpland

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jan 05, 2017 10:51 am

Novem5er » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:46 am wrote:Also, how did they not expect to get caught? Are people really that dumb?


People are absolutely that dumb.

I'm constantly getting reminded of this by my friends in law enforcement. It's not just kids, either, adults are bragging about crimes on FB, sending Instagram & Vine videos to taunt their victims, forwarding their own criminal emails to the police to get the to intervene in arguments...just spend five minutes flipping through cable TV and contemplate the fact there's a mass audience for everything you see there.

People are absolutely that dumb, and they're getting worse.

(Definitely puts the whole "rehabilitation" concept in an even more dubious light, eh?)
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Postby stefano » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:00 am

Novem5er » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:46 pm wrote:Why didn't the criminals just kill the guy? I'm glad they didn't, but it seems weird that they would do all these terrible things to him and then just let him go, especially since the victim knew one of the perpetrators. Maybe there was something in these criminal's minds or souls that told them to hold back, to not take it that far . . . which may be a little miracle of its own.

Yes, we all have something in our souls that tells us to hold back. People don't just kill people, thank God (although I can understand your cynicism about this). This is why armies spend a lot of time breaking down soldiers' personalities so that they actually do kill people. They didn't hurt him very badly, either.

Novem5er » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:46 pm wrote:Also, how did they not expect to get caught? Are people really that dumb?

A lot of people are very dumb about thinking through effects and consequences. Many others just don't care what happens.

Novem5er » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:46 pm wrote:Lastly, how long until people say this was a false flag, or a set-up by stooges to incite more racial tension and make white Trump supporters look like a targeted minority?


Ha. Commenters on this Zero Hedge article beat you to it. What a toxic bunch of fucking idiots.
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Postby Novem5er » Thu Jan 05, 2017 11:11 am

Yes, I agree with both of you that people really are that dumb.

Maybe a judge, somewhere, will show them some mercy for the fact that they didn't kill the kid and they didn't hurt him beyond repair. Maybe they should get a couple years in prison, rather than a lifetime?

LOL at Zero Hedge. I knew this idea would spread around somewhere. Next comes the argument of whether the autistic kid was a crisis actor or not. Ugh.
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Postby stefano » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:56 pm

They won't get life. I am not a lawyer, as the saying goes, but it's kidnap and assault. They're going to come out of jail as proper criminals though.

What I'm really concerned about is what comes next - the Zero Hedge commenter (sample - Welder: "US needs an Apartheid System like the one that used to be in South Africa. Niggers shall not be allowed to exit their zones except for going to work.") who does a Dylan Roof reprise.
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Postby Searcher08 » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:08 pm

stefano » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:56 pm wrote:They won't get life. I am not a lawyer, as the saying goes, but it's kidnap and assault. They're going to come out of jail as proper criminals though.

What I'm really concerned about is what comes next - the Zero Hedge commenter (sample - Welder: "US needs an Apartheid System like the one that used to be in South Africa. Niggers shall not be allowed to exit their zones except for going to work.") who does a Dylan Roof reprise.


Given that universities are pushing for segregated living areas to be made available for black students (many are demanding the same) - that they do not have to deal with the trauma of white people around them, both ends are pushing against the middle. I think this is a very very bad idea. Apartheid 2.0 ?
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:11 pm

Thankfully, YouTube has removed the video. ZeroHedge has preserved it, unfortunately.
Violence begets violence, always has and always will.

It's a shame that any young person would act this way towards another young man who's disabled, but the weakest always make the easiest prey. Weak, undeveloped minds find weaker minds to torment and usually have like-minded buddies bolstering their bullying. The poorest of all performance art for the wickedest of purposes: self-gratification of ego, with audience appreciation, at the expense of causing another's (everlasting?) pain.

A very great tragedy, indeed. Very sad.
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Postby minime » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:22 pm

No one is dumber than people who say, "People really are that dumb".

Discuss.
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Postby chump » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:13 pm

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I refuse to see the scruffy scenes you described, and haven't a clue who was hurt. But, the videos went viral on the mainstream media, and the nightly news only has time for so many stories. The stories we see are to set an agenda. Propaganda is all we get! So, I'll bet you a buck the usual suspects are setting the stage - for some legislation.




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Why Socialism?
by Albert Einstein

Albert Einstein is the world-famous physicist. This article was originally published in the first issue of Monthly Review (May 1949). It was subsequently published in May 1998 to commemorate the first issue of MR‘s fiftieth year.
—The Editors

Is it advisable for one who is not an expert on economic and social issues to express views on the subject of socialism? I believe for a number of reasons that it is.

Let us first consider the question from the point of view of scientific knowledge. It might appear that there are no essential methodological differences between astronomy and economics: scientists in both fields attempt to discover laws of general acceptability for a circumscribed group of phenomena in order to make the interconnection of these phenomena as clearly understandable as possible. But in reality such methodological differences do exist. The discovery of general laws in the field of economics is made difficult by the circumstance that observed economic phenomena are often affected by many factors which are very hard to evaluate separately. In addition, the experience which has accumulated since the beginning of the so-called civilized period of human history has—as is well known—been largely influenced and limited by causes which are by no means exclusively economic in nature. For example, most of the major states of history owed their existence to conquest. The conquering peoples established themselves, legally and economically, as the privileged class of the conquered country. They seized for themselves a monopoly of the land ownership and appointed a priesthood from among their own ranks. The priests, in control of education, made the class division of society into a permanent institution and created a system of values by which the people were thenceforth, to a large extent unconsciously, guided in their social behavior.

But historic tradition is, so to speak, of yesterday; nowhere have we really overcome what Thorstein Veblen called “the predatory phase” of human development. The observable economic facts belong to that phase and even such laws as we can derive from them are not applicable to other phases. Since the real purpose of socialism is precisely to overcome and advance beyond the predatory phase of human development, economic science in its present state can throw little light on the socialist society of the future.

Second, socialism is directed towards a social-ethical end. Science, however, cannot create ends and, even less, instill them in human beings; science, at most, can supply the means by which to attain certain ends. But the ends themselves are conceived by personalities with lofty ethical ideals and—if these ends are not stillborn, but vital and vigorous—are adopted and carried forward by those many human beings who, half unconsciously, determine the slow evolution of society.

For these reasons, we should be on our guard not to overestimate science and scientific methods when it is a question of human problems; and we should not assume that experts are the only ones who have a right to express themselves on questions affecting the organization of society.

Innumerable voices have been asserting for some time now that human society is passing through a crisis, that its stability has been gravely shattered. It is characteristic of such a situation that individuals feel indifferent or even hostile toward the group, small or large, to which they belong. In order to illustrate my meaning, let me record here a personal experience. I recently discussed with an intelligent and well-disposed man the threat of another war, which in my opinion would seriously endanger the existence of mankind, and I remarked that only a supra-national organization would offer protection from that danger. Thereupon my visitor, very calmly and coolly, said to me: “Why are you so deeply opposed to the disappearance of the human race?”

I am sure that as little as a century ago no one would have so lightly made a statement of this kind. It is the statement of a man who has striven in vain to attain an equilibrium within himself and has more or less lost hope of succeeding. It is the expression of a painful solitude and isolation from which so many people are suffering in these days. What is the cause? Is there a way out?

It is easy to raise such questions, but difficult to answer them with any degree of assurance. I must try, however, as best I can, although I am very conscious of the fact that our feelings and strivings are often contradictory and obscure and that they cannot be expressed in easy and simple formulas.

Man is, at one and the same time, a solitary being and a social being. As a solitary being, he attempts to protect his own existence and that of those who are closest to him, to satisfy his personal desires, and to develop his innate abilities. As a social being, he seeks to gain the recognition and affection of his fellow human beings, to share in their pleasures, to comfort them in their sorrows, and to improve their conditions of life. Only the existence of these varied, frequently conflicting, strivings accounts for the special character of a man, and their specific combination determines the extent to which an individual can achieve an inner equilibrium and can contribute to the well-being of society. It is quite possible that the relative strength of these two drives is, in the main, fixed by inheritance. But the personality that finally emerges is largely formed by the environment in which a man happens to find himself during his development, by the structure of the society in which he grows up, by the tradition of that society, and by its appraisal of particular types of behavior. The abstract concept “society” means to the individual human being the sum total of his direct and indirect relations to his contemporaries and to all the people of earlier generations. The individual is able to think, feel, strive, and work by himself; but he depends so much upon society—in his physical, intellectual, and emotional existence—that it is impossible to think of him, or to understand him, outside the framework of society. It is “society” which provides man with food, clothing, a home, the tools of work, language, the forms of thought, and most of the content of thought; his life is made possible through the labor and the accomplishments of the many millions past and present who are all hidden behind the small word “society.”

It is evident, therefore, that the dependence of the individual upon society is a fact of nature which cannot be abolished—just as in the case of ants and bees. However, while the whole life process of ants and bees is fixed down to the smallest detail by rigid, hereditary instincts, the social pattern and interrelationships of human beings are very variable and susceptible to change. Memory, the capacity to make new combinations, the gift of oral communication have made possible developments among human being which are not dictated by biological necessities. Such developments manifest themselves in traditions, institutions, and organizations; in literature; in scientific and engineering accomplishments; in works of art. This explains how it happens that, in a certain sense, man can influence his life through his own conduct, and that in this process conscious thinking and wanting can play a part.

Man acquires at birth, through heredity, a biological constitution which we must consider fixed and unalterable, including the natural urges which are characteristic of the human species. In addition, during his lifetime, he acquires a cultural constitution which he adopts from society through communication and through many other types of influences. It is this cultural constitution which, with the passage of time, is subject to change and which determines to a very large extent the relationship between the individual and society. Modern anthropology has taught us, through comparative investigation of so-called primitive cultures, that the social behavior of human beings may differ greatly, depending upon prevailing cultural patterns and the types of organization which predominate in society. It is on this that those who are striving to improve the lot of man may ground their hopes: human beings are not condemned, because of their biological constitution, to annihilate each other or to be at the mercy of a cruel, self-inflicted fate.

If we ask ourselves how the structure of society and the cultural attitude of man should be changed in order to make human life as satisfying as possible, we should constantly be conscious of the fact that there are certain conditions which we are unable to modify. As mentioned before, the biological nature of man is, for all practical purposes, not subject to change. Furthermore, technological and demographic developments of the last few centuries have created conditions which are here to stay. In relatively densely settled populations with the goods which are indispensable to their continued existence, an extreme division of labor and a highly-centralized productive apparatus are absolutely necessary. The time—which, looking back, seems so idyllic—is gone forever when individuals or relatively small groups could be completely self-sufficient. It is only a slight exaggeration to say that mankind constitutes even now a planetary community of production and consumption.

I have now reached the point where I may indicate briefly what to me constitutes the essence of the crisis of our time. It concerns the relationship of the individual to society. The individual has become more conscious than ever of his dependence upon society. But he does not experience this dependence as a positive asset, as an organic tie, as a protective force, but rather as a threat to his natural rights, or even to his economic existence. Moreover, his position in society is such that the egotistical drives of his make-up are constantly being accentuated, while his social drives, which are by nature weaker, progressively deteriorate. All human beings, whatever their position in society, are suffering from this process of deterioration. Unknowingly prisoners of their own egotism, they feel insecure, lonely, and deprived of the naive, simple, and unsophisticated enjoyment of life. Man can find meaning in life, short and perilous as it is, only through devoting himself to society.

The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor—not by force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally established rules. In this respect, it is important to realize that the means of production—that is to say, the entire productive capacity that is needed for producing consumer goods as well as additional capital goods—may legally be, and for the most part are, the private property of individuals.

For the sake of simplicity, in the discussion that follows I shall call “workers” all those who do not share in the ownership of the means of production—although this does not quite correspond to the customary use of the term. The owner of the means of production is in a position to purchase the labor power of the worker. By using the means of production, the worker produces new goods which become the property of the capitalist. The essential point about this process is the relation between what the worker produces and what he is paid, both measured in terms of real value. Insofar as the labor contract is “free,” what the worker receives is determined not by the real value of the goods he produces, but by his minimum needs and by the capitalists’ requirements for labor power in relation to the number of workers competing for jobs. It is important to understand that even in theory the payment of the worker is not determined by the value of his product.

Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

The situation prevailing in an economy based on the private ownership of capital is thus characterized by two main principles: first, means of production (capital) are privately owned and the owners dispose of them as they see fit; second, the labor contract is free. Of course, there is no such thing as a pure capitalist society in this sense. In particular, it should be noted that the workers, through long and bitter political struggles, have succeeded in securing a somewhat improved form of the “free labor contract” for certain categories of workers. But taken as a whole, the present day economy does not differ much from “pure” capitalism.

Production is carried on for profit, not for use. There is no provision that all those able and willing to work will always be in a position to find employment; an “army of unemployed” almost always exists. The worker is constantly in fear of losing his job. Since unemployed and poorly paid workers do not provide a profitable market, the production of consumers’ goods is restricted, and great hardship is the consequence. Technological progress frequently results in more unemployment rather than in an easing of the burden of work for all. The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among capitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe depressions. Unlimited competition leads to a huge waste of labor, and to that crippling of the social consciousness of individuals which I mentioned before.

This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career.

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society.

Nevertheless, it is necessary to remember that a planned economy is not yet socialism. A planned economy as such may be accompanied by the complete enslavement of the individual. The achievement of socialism requires the solution of some extremely difficult socio-political problems: how is it possible, in view of the far-reaching centralization of political and economic power, to prevent bureaucracy from becoming all-powerful and overweening? How can the rights of the individual be protected and therewith a democratic counterweight to the power of bureaucracy be assured?

Clarity about the aims and problems of socialism is of greatest significance in our age of transition. Since, under present circumstances, free and unhindered discussion of these problems has come under a powerful taboo, I consider the foundation of this magazine to be an important public service.
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Postby brekin » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:27 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
Novem5er » Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:46 am wrote:Also, how did they not expect to get caught? Are people really that dumb?

People are absolutely that dumb.
I'm constantly getting reminded of this by my friends in law enforcement. It's not just kids, either, adults are bragging about crimes on FB, sending Instagram & Vine videos to taunt their victims, forwarding their own criminal emails to the police to get the to intervene in arguments...just spend five minutes flipping through cable TV and contemplate the fact there's a mass audience for everything you see there.
People are absolutely that dumb, and they're getting worse.
(Definitely puts the whole "rehabilitation" concept in an even more dubious light, eh?)


Yup, I refer to the RI thread on Internet Banging dealing with violent communities and the use of social media promotion:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... 3&p=604686

wee snippet:
Professor studies Twitter threats of girl gang killer in Chicago
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/profes ... n-chicago/

Gakirah Barnes, a reputed gang assassin gunned down at age 17, was an internet celebrity of sorts in her South Side neighborhood. Barnes, suspected by the police in a murder and at least three other shootings, posted an enormous 27,000 tweets — many of them containing threats of violence — from the time she created her Twitter account in 2011 until her death in 2014.
And she amassed more than 2,500 Twitter followers during her three years on the social-media platform.
Desmond Patton, an associate professor at Columbia University in New York, has studied the Twitter habits of Barnes, whose rare reputation as a female gang killer attracted international attention after she was killed. Patton said she’s an example of how violent conflicts between rival Chicago gang members often start on the internet and are settled with guns.
“This is an emerging public-health problem,” he said. “What starts out with a funny ‘ha ha’ can quickly escalate online.”...


I think this has a lot to do with what violence is often used for. Other than self defense or physical attacks to gain a physical objective, violence is often used when someones reputation/status is threatened or not established. That type of violence isn't worth much if you don't get or maintain what you want in using it. Building a rep through violence (maintaining pride, gaining status, being revered/feared) has to do with power image promotion and it makes sense then to promote your "brand" as much as possible. If you are a bad dude, do bad things, it doesn't make sense to keep it on the down low unless the reward for secrecy is greater than the reward for having a good rep. Similar to how Gangsta rap is basically warrior odes of how bad you are. I don't think its surprising that people are filming their acts of violence (power) over others. All the better to build and distribute your rep. Especially when ones street rep is more rewarding then other reps that would be harder or less valuable to attain depending on your circumstances. The victim looks like he was no threat to them and they sought him out specifically to build their brand. He was a low risk opportunity with a high reward pay off if people saw their power over him. (There is the chance the victim might have made pro-Trump remarks that made him the target, but I think he probably was just a convenient white wicker man for a more generalized rage against the perceived and real increased racial animosity in the country when Trump was elected.) Not much would be gained by keeping their crime quiet then. And as we are now talking about them and what they did it just shows how effective social media is in promoting yourself. This was basically a hate crime-torture porn-racial attack-political gangsta rap video attempt to go viral, that did. Seems like their gambit paid off.

In many ways the whole culture is moving in this direction. Which is also, not surprisingly part of Trump's legacy:

Ricky said: ‘We’ve got these ruthless people who will do anything to be famous. They live their life like an open wound. They show you breakdowns because they know that sells. They’ll do anything to be on telly, and Brent can’t compete with that.‘We’re soon going to have “Celebrity Enema”. It’s going to happen.
‘There’s no difference now between fame and infamy. People are willing to be hated because it gets them their own column or in as a guest on “This Morning”. They’re willing to say horrendous things, terrible things, to make people angry, because that creates [internet] traffic.‘When did that happen? When did people decide they would rather be hated than not known?’
He added: ‘We’ve got people who know they will get on The Apprentice by going, “I will destroy anyone who stands in my way.”’
‘One of them is running for President of America. Alpha males are back with a vengeance.’

http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/08/ricky-ger ... s-6054466/

We are living in a culture where if you can get attention by circumventing all the usual channels instantly by being more outrageous, people will ask, why should I wait in line, why should I be good, why should I put in honest work, when all I want is the reward, and I can get it by being more outrageous, more crueler, more outspoken, more evil. Get famous or die trying.

Perez Hilton: Get Famous or Die Trying
Red Carpet Suicide is a guide to becoming what you call “a hilton,” with lowercase H. What’s a hilton?
A hilton is the codeword for a celebrity, or anyone famous, whether or not they have talent. Not necessarily somebody who’s related to Paris or Nicky. Anyone can be a hilton—even Angelina Jolie has hilton-like qualities. She’s pimping out her baby, she’s doing a lot of good humanitarian work, but she always makes sure that there’s a photographer to document it all. You can be an A-lister and be a hilton in my book.
And you give twelve steps to becoming one.
The first one in the book is “be a skinny bitch,” and that’s one that I took to heart this past year. I probably lost over 50 pounds. I’d rather be Nicole Richie than Kirstie Alley any day. And it’s one of the harsh realities if you want to be a hilton. Another is, you’ve go to put the “ho” in Hollywood. If you’re a D-lister, one of the easiest ways to increase your own fame is to date up. Look at Katie Holmes. She pretty much was, I’d say, like C-minus before she started dating Tom Cruise. Now they’re married, having a baby, and she’s pretty high up there. Or Miley Cyrus. You can never be too young to unleash your inner ho.
So of the twelve steps, which do you think is the most effective?
I don’t know if just one of them’s going to work. You have to do the steps together with the other ones. But, I’d say, put the ho in Hollywood. It’s about who you know, or who you blow. My motto is, you’ve got to give head to get ahead.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... rying.html

And with everyone becoming increasingly Machiavellian in a corrupt society, if you have little access to the means to ascent, the more impoverished hiltons will go to what is easy, cheap and at hand. Violence, sex and a cheap webcam.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:06 pm

Good roundup, thanks bud. A bleak prognosis but I tend to agree, not least since we're already living in it.

(I thought Videodrome was very eloquent on the race to the bottom that a competition for eyeballs creates on a booming ... new ... global media delivery platform. We still do film criticism here, right?)

chump » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:13 pm wrote:So, don't be surprised when some sexy survivor sells his story on 60 minutes, so the Senate will send some legislation??


Well, any gambler appreciates precise predictions. Considering the circumstances, I'd be surprised if that happens.

That said: I spent a lot of last year being surprised. Hell, I was even surprised I was right about the church fire with the "VOTE TRUMP" tag across the brickwork down in Mississippi.

chump » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:13 pm wrote:But, the videos went viral on the mainstream media, and the nightly news only has time for so many stories. The stories we see are to set an agenda. Propaganda is all we get!


Quite so, and those are the circumstances that make this one thread-worthy. It was cute watching the indignant "HOW COME THE MAINSTREAM 'FAKE NEWS' MEDIA WON'T COVER THIS, HUH??" splash across the feeds today -- right alongside actual MSM pieces about exactly this story!

Now, all messaging is paid messaging, sure, but all viral content isn't astroturf. Sometimes major media talkface stars are just obligated to comment on, say, Pepe the Frog, or Dabbing, or Harambe Memes, or Mannequin Challenges. So it'll be clutch to watch how this latest viral sensation plays out. There are obvious IO payoffs here: A Nation Needs to Heal After the Election, We All Agree Being Mean to Handicapped People is Awful, Chicago as Failed City. It's so over-the-top, this story, it's worth being incredulous.

At the same time, reality is perfectly capable of being this stupid and ham-fisted. Time will out.
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Postby OP ED » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:19 pm

And people wonder why I look forward to the water rising.
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Re: Helter Skelter in Trumpland

Postby brekin » Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:13 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:06 pm wrote:Good roundup, thanks bud. A bleak prognosis but I tend to agree, not least since we're already living in it. (I thought Videodrome was very eloquent on the race to the bottom that a competition for eyeballs creates on a booming ... new ... global media delivery platform. We still do film criticism here, right?)


Speaking of, its Interesting to hear Cronenberg's take on the world wide videodrome vs. contemporary horror-gore films.

David Cronenberg on the horrors of the internet

Operating for much of his early career in the nexus of horror and sci-fi, culminating in his brilliant 1987 remake of The Fly, David Cronenberg has always been concerned with the fragility and will to live of the human body. In an interview at the Toronto Film Festival, where he was promoting his new film Eastern Promises, I asked Cronenberg if he feels any responsibility for the current crop of horror movies that linger on torture and pain.

“Absolutely not,” he answers. “I’m guilt free. I haven’t seen Saw or Hostel or any of those. But …
"But you can make an interesting case for that being a response to the snuff porn you now find on the internet everywhere, courtesy of Muslim extremists. I know that when I was thinking about [a gang execution scene in Eastern Promises involving a throat cutting], I was thinking about a beheading I saw on the net.

“People ask me, do you think people are desensitized now? I’ve been hearing that for 40 years. In fact I think they’re much more sensitive to violence now than they ever were before because it’s coming close to home. Americans in foreign lands are being beheaded by these guys whose motives we don’t understand. That’s scary to a lot of people. So I think people are more sensitive to violence now in movies, and it has to do with snuff movies—which never existed before. Al Goldstein of Screw magazine offered $50,000 to anyone who could bring him a real snuff film. And nobody ever did—it was an urban legend. But now you’ve got ‘em—you can watch them at 3 o’clock in the morning in the comfort of your own home. This is very spooky.

“And if you ever look at those, they really screw you up. They’re very disturbing, in a way I don’t think any movie is. They’re very provocative, they make you extremely angry and if you’re a certain kind of person probably also extremely afraid. And confused. So I think that —this is me making an apology for movies I haven’t seen, but there might be a connection. Certainly horror always has had that function that you confront the worst fears you have in a controlled way so that you can experience them, there is a cathartic effect involved.”

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