Size Matters ... Media Deception?

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Re: Size Matters ... Media Deception?

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:02 am

I wrote a long post that got deleted by the mobile device monsters. The jist was, what is this evidence that should convince us the crowd was bigger for Trump than the media says? Sure, it looks big in that cnn gigapixel thingy, but that's a matter of perspective, and the aerial photos are pretty striking. Are they fake? Bullshit comparisons because of time of day or white space or something? I respect you elfis, so what am I missing?

I don't see how the crowd size issue is gaslighting rather than an organic growth.

On the other hand, the media is definitely gaslighting the hand thing.

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Re: Size Matters ... Media Deception?

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Re: Size Matters ... Media Deception?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Jan 28, 2017 2:37 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but our source for that tiny-dick crowd photo is precisely one (1) Reuters photographer in a uniquely privileged position*, is that right? Did he just take that photo (dated when, exactly?), or did he also make the edited, timestamp-free, timelapse film?

For the record: It would surprise me greatly if Evil Commie Trumpovich's crowd had exceeded Saint Barry's or even come close to matching it, but I am not inclined to take the information on trust, least of all from one (1) Reuters hack alone.

*How did he get there, and why was he alone? I think we should be told.

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On Edit: Well, well. That lone Reuters hack was indeed granted privileged access:

“Only one news organization had a still photographer atop the Washington monument for the inauguration and I assigned him to be there,” [Reuters editor Jim] Bourg wrote in a Facebook post Sunday night.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2953125


Nobody else was allowed in:

Washington Monument to remain closed for at least two more years

The Washington Monument will remain closed until additional repairs are made to its troubled elevator. (Carolyn Kaster/AP)
By Michael E. Ruane December 2, 2016

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Re: Size Matters ... Media Deception?

Postby Cordelia » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:07 pm

Has “The Jacobs’ Method” already been posted? Crowds make me nervous so I haven't looked too closely, but 'they' pretty much know exactly how many people attend mass gatherings.

How Do the Media and Police Estimate Crowd Sizes?

November 6, 2014 Karl Smallwood Comment

Keith H. asks: When the police and media report crowd sizes of a parade or something, what do they base their numbers on?

Although the task of determining how many people attend something as large as say, a political rally or a protest may seem like a daunting, almost impossible undertaking to do with any accuracy, with some basic information, it’s actually not that difficult to get reasonably accurate results. The most well-known method of estimating the size of a given crowd is simply called “The Jacobs’ Method” as an ode to its inventor, Herbert Jacobs. Jacobs spent a few decades working for the Milwaukee Journal before retiring into teaching journalism at the University of California, Berkeley in the 1960s. He thought up his very simple crowd size estimate method after observing numerous Vietnam War protests outside of his office window.

Jacobs noticed that the area the students stood on had a repeating grid-like pattern, meaning he could very easily count how many students occupied a certain amount of space by counting how many students on average seemed to be able to stand inside a section of the grid. By doing this, he soon noticed some patterns.

For example, Jacobs found that in the most densely packed crowds, each person took up approximately 2.5 square feet. We should note that this is the absolute upper limit of a how dense a crowd can safely get, as in, you simply couldn’t fit more people into a crowd this dense without someone being trampled or worse, which is probably why most, including some scholarly articles on the subject we read, simply refer to it as “mosh-pit density”. In a dense, but more manageable crowd, Jacobs observed that participants had a comparably more roomy 4.5 square feet whilst those in a “light” crowd had a positively breezy 10 square feet to themselves.

In any event, once he had the approximate average number of students in each grid, he could then easily calculate the number of grids in an area occupied at a given density, and quite quickly come up with a very good estimate of how many people were in a given crowd. Thus, the now Gold Standard, and remarkably simple, “Jacobs’ Method” was born.


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Re: Size Matters ... Media Deception?

Postby elfismiles » Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:52 pm

Iamwhomiam » 28 Jan 2017 02:13 wrote:It certainly does seem to be a case of gaslighting, Mr. W.Rex, but was it for the classical political purpose to embarrass or simply a bet between members of the press pool? "I bet you I can get him to complain about how big the crowd was if I tell him O's was much larger." "No way! His first tweet as President - never! I'll bet you a hundred you can't. Anyone else want in?"


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Re: Size Matters ... Media Deception?

Postby elfismiles » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:17 pm

Hi MentalGF2.

I'm open to the possibility that ... somehow, the perspective from the cnn gigapixel is a true reflection of the image purportedly from the same time by the reuters wash monument photo. But it doesn't jive with my visual senses personally.

And so, in the absence of a way to verify the claim of timestamp by the reuters photographer (videographer? was he also responsible for that edited timelapse video?) I'm left wondering ... why don't they jive (for me) and why is the evidence that would seemingly help me make a decision denied to me. Or is it out there just waiting to be discovered... ?

It's more of a curiosity for me though I don't doubt it could be a deliberate act by someone wanting to fuck with the pResident.

It looks like CBS may have had access to the Wash Mon feed (or a similarly angled locale?). https://youtu.be/eG2ynxCZPpY?t=36s

Crowds gather for President-elect Trump's inauguration
CBS This Morning

https://youtu.be/eG2ynxCZPpY?t=20s

mentalgongfu2 » 28 Jan 2017 04:02 wrote:I wrote a long post that got deleted by the mobile device monsters. The jist was, what is this evidence that should convince us the crowd was bigger for Trump than the media says? Sure, it looks big in that cnn gigapixel thingy, but that's a matter of perspective, and the aerial photos are pretty striking. Are they fake? Bullshit comparisons because of time of day or white space or something? I respect you elfis, so what am I missing?

I don't see how the crowd size issue is gaslighting rather than an organic growth.

On the other hand, the media is definitely gaslighting the hand thing.

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Re: Size Matters ... Media Deception?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:09 am

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As alluded by Eflis and others already, the 'crowd size' rabble immediately called to mind prior similar stagecraft covered in prior threads within this forum's walls.


One of the most memorable images from the invasion of Iraq was the toppling of Saddam Hussein's statue, portrayed by the media as a spontaneous action of celebration by the Iraqi people. Most news outlets used closely cropped photos like the one used by the BBC on the above right.

Images taken from further out however show, show a tiny cluster of Iraqis huddled around the statue in an otherwise empty area. A 2004 Army report revealed that the whole thing was actually orchestrated by the U.S. PSYOP division, who came up with the idea to topple the statue and gathered a bunch of Iraqis together to mislead the media (BSavant edit -- that should read: "mislead the dupes observing from their magic window of choice"; the media was complicit) as to what happened.


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Je suis a manipulated photo, like statue of Saddam toppled by fake Iraqi crowd

Where are the Parisian masses supposed to have been marching behind the World Leaders?! Media images were cropped to suggest the Euro cabal headed the populist march, but a long shot establishes the illusion to have been a lie. It turns out the forty figureheads held their own parade for Charlie Hebdo in a vast no man’s land of high security. Video footage shows the leaders surrounded by only media.

The photo-op is disgracefully contrived, the subjects looking cluelessly right and left at imaginary onlookers, waving occasionally at what are probably only government snipers on the rooftop. An audio track records applause generated by a small number of determined clappers, while stage managers bark cadences to prompt the line forward, repeating “Vite, vite, vite” and “Ein, Zwei, Drei.”

The complicity of the international press recalls the iconic toppling of Saddam Hussein’s statue by US marines, flanked by an entourage of Iraqi collaborators made to look like jubilant masses by means of judiciously cropped camera angles, unmasked in the alternative press by under-populated far shots. Even if the leaders’ isolation is dismissed as pragmatic, what does a complicit media tell you about whose agenda is rolling out the JE SUIS CHARLIE offensive?


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Re: Size Matters ... Media Deception?

Postby elfismiles » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:49 am

seemslikeadream » 07 Sep 2018 12:37 wrote:
seemslikeadream » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:52 pm wrote:
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DONALD TRUMP
No, The National Park Service Didn't Alter Photos of Trump's Inauguration Crowd

In the days that followed, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer falsely said Trump's crowd was "the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period," and the Washington Post reported that Trump personally called Reynolds and ordered him to produce additional photos of the crowd size.
http://time.com/4834745/national-park-s ... ze-report/


Trump inauguration crowd photos were edited after he intervened

Exclusive: documents released to Guardian reveal government photographer cropped space ‘where crowd ended’

Jon SwaineLast modified on Thu 6 Sep 2018 15.23 EDT
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Re: Size Matters ... Media Deception?

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:18 am

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Re: Size Matters ... Media Deception?

Postby Jerky » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:20 am

Yeah, looks like this sad and sorry thread kind of trickled away without ever getting any kind of satisfying resolution.

Is there anybody out there who still thinks every media outlet in the world was lying about Trump's crowd size, and he was the only one telling the truth?

Anyone? Anyone? Beuller?

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Re: Size Matters ... Media Deception?

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:37 am

President Trump Posts Altered Photos to Facebook and Instagram That Make Him Look Thinner

Matt NovakYesterday 10:30am
A demonstration of the digital changes that have been made to President Trump’s appearance on Instagram and Facebook
GIF: Gizmodo
President Donald Trump’s social media accounts are filled with vile racism, idiotic xenophobia, and inaccurate statistics. And now we can add another category to the list: fake photos.

In recent months, Trump’s official Facebook and Instagram accounts have published photos of the president that have been manipulated to make him look thinner. If it only happened once you might be able to chalk it up as an accident. But Gizmodo has discovered at least three different retouched photos on President Trump’s social media pages that have been published since October of 2018.

The image below, published on the official Donald J. Trump Facebook page on January 17 and on his Instagram account over the weekend, has been altered to make the president look more fit.
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The altered image of President Trump, seemingly manufactured to make him look thinner
Graphic: Facebook
The photo looks pretty normal at first glance. But once you compare it to the original, which is available on the White House’s Flickr page, you can see what was changed.

The original photo was taken by a White House photographer on January 14, so you know that the original hasn’t been altered by anyone in the so-called “fake news media” to make Trump look heavier. It sounds silly to even have to say that, but many Trump supporters believe that the media is involved in a coordinated conspiracy against him. Allegations about this conspiracy often have anti-semitic overtones.
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The image released by President Trump’s Instagram and Facebook accounts (left) compared with the original photo (right)
Screenshot: Facebook/Flickr
As you can see in the comparison above, Trump’s right shoulder has been slimmed down and his face is looking thinner. He’s also gotten a haircut—well, a digital one anyway—and in one of the strangest alterations, Trump’s fingers have been made slightly longer. Seriously.

Donald Trump, an unindicted co-conspirator whose own lawyer admits that the president was trying to secure a real estate deal in Russia as late as November of 2016, has been somewhat sensitive about the size of his hands ever since journalist Graydon Carter described Trump as a “short-fingered vulgarian.” Carter was writing for the now-defunct Spy magazine in the 1980s when he made the observation and the insult has reportedly bothered Trump for decades. Carter claims that the president has even sent photos of his hands to Carter with the fingers circled in gold Sharpie.

“To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump,” Carter wrote in 2015, before Trump won the presidency. “There is always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers. I almost feel sorry for the poor fellow because, to me, the fingers still look abnormally stubby.”

Just keep your eye on the finger to see how it “grows” for Trump’s social media pages:

A demonstration of the digital changes that have been made to President Trump’s appearance on Instagram and Facebook
GIF: Gizmodo
The photo was presumably altered with something like Facetune or Photoshop, but we can only speculate about the exact tool that was used. President Trump’s 2020 re-election campaign manager Brad Parscale did not respond to Gizmodo’s multiple requests for comment over the weekend. Parscale has gotten credit for helping Trump seize power in the U.S. through his successful use of Facebook ads, but he’s never talked about digitally altering the way that the president looks.

Facetune is wildly popular with Instagram celebrities and is used to make enhancements to photos. The app can smooth out skin, make someone thinner, or even make people appear more muscular. The app was first released in 2013 but its popularity really skyrocketed with the release of Facetune 2 in November of 2016. Facetune has consistently topped the charts ever since.

But it’s not just that one photo that was altered and posted to social media. There’s also this graphic, published on Trump’s official Facebook page on October 3, 2018 when the stock market was doing really well. If you think Trump’s face looks a little weird, you’re not alone.

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Graphic: Facebook
The original photo is from then-candidate Trump’s trip to Scotland in June of 2016 and was taken by Jeff J. Mitchell. You can see the unedited picture on Getty Images.

Trump is wearing a white “Make America Great Again,” and can be seen pointing at something in the distance. One thing is clear from looking at President Trump’s social media accounts: he really loves pointing.

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Photo: Getty Images
As you can see, the original photo has been edited for Facebook in a number of ways. President Trump’s jacket has been digitally cut down to be smaller underneath his right arm and the shoulder pad in his suit has been smoothed out.

And yet again, the altered photo appears to make Trump’s finger slightly longer. The GIF we’ve made below can help show what’s been changed, including yet another minor digital trim that removes a few stray hairs.

Not all of the changes that have been made to Trump’s photos are obvious. Some of the alterations that I stumbled upon while looking through Trump’s Facebook and Instagram photos actually surprised me, mostly because they were so minor.

For example, I noticed that some elements in the background of one photo from Trump’s Instagram had been removed, so I loaded it up on my computer to make a GIF as an example of an innocuous edit. But it was only after I had placed the photos on top of each other that I realized this one was also edited to make President Trump look thinner.

Have a look for yourself. This photo, published on Trump’s official Facebook page on January 18, looks normal enough. But when I saw that the presidential seal is missing from the back of the Air Force One plane door I searched for the original on the White House’s Flickr page (seen below on the left). I then pulled them up side by side and it’s clear that it wasn’t just the plane door that was altered.

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Graphic: Flickr/Facebook
Again, it can be hard to see anything different between the two photos. But once you flip between the two it’s clear that the president’s stomach has been made slightly smaller. And the skin around his neck and the lower part of his face has been tightened up a little bit.

It’s easier to see the transformation in GIF form, especially around the president’s stomach. Keep an eye on the president’s tie:

It’s a subtle change, but that’s the point of using an app like Facetune. The goal is to make sure that no one notices. Everyone knows what President Trump looks like, so drastic alterations are going to be obvious immediately.

People tend to poke fun when Facetune is used too drastically, as they did when the president’s son, Donald Trump Jr., and his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, posted a photo that had clearly been Facetuned to remove any wrinkles from their faces. It’s... not subtle.


President Trump’s Facebook account has 25.1 million followers, while his Instagram has 11.5 million. Those numbers are relatively small compared to the 57.5 million followers he has on Twitter, but they’re not nothing. Trump has previously thrown in his follower counts from both Facebook and Instagram when he makes the case that his ability to speak directly to the people is unparalleled.

And Trump has a point. For comparison, CNN has 30.9 million followers on Facebook, 6.6 million on Instagram, and 42. 1 million followers on Twitter.

Does it matter if the president is overweight? Not really. But for a guy who’s constantly complaining about fake news, it’s pretty hypocritical that President Trump’s social media team is using photos that have been altered to make him look thinner and less wrinkled. It’s especially weird that his fingers have been made longer, which might lead one to believe that the president has had some input in these alterations. But, again, that’s just speculation at this point.

President Trump’s weight has been a matter of public debate ever since he had a health assessment shortly before becoming president. Former White House physician Ronny Jackson called the president’s health “excellent” and claimed that Trump weighed 239 pounds back in January of 2017. As the oldest person to ever become president of the United States, it’s not unreasonable for Americans to be naturally curious about Trump’s health. And since it appears that Trump has gained a fair amount of weight in the past two years, supporters are probably wondering what kind of toll that might be taking on his stamina.

But the president can be as hefty as he likes and enjoy as many burgers as he desires. He doesn’t believe in exercise, after all, for some pretty bizarre reasons.

Most Americans don’t give a shit about President Trump’s weight, they just want him to open the damn government already. It’s day 31 of the shutdown and over 800,000 federal workers aren’t getting a paycheck right now. More and more Americans are turning to crowdfunding on GoFundMe and are selling things on Craigslist just to survive. And food banks across the country are under tremendous stress, as thousands of federal employees, from TSA agents to FBI agents, are literally working for free.

So maybe put down the Facetune and open the government, Mr. President. But don’t give up on McDonald’s. Eat as many Big Macs as you can. It’s for the good of the nation.

Correction: This article originally stated that President Trump’s first health assessment with White House physician Ronny Jackson was in “January of 2019.” That was a typo. It has been corrected to say “January of 2017.”
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