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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Jerky » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:08 am

Glenn Greenwald Goes Full Fox News: Rachel Maddow Is An "Intellectually Dishonest, Partisan Hack"

The only people this threatened by Maddow's reporting are Donald Trump and the people most invested in keeping him in power.

Glenn Greenwald thrives on being an asshole. Trolling the dreaded Establishment is how he's convinced millions of progressives that he's on their side even as he undermines everything they care about.

For the latest example of this, look to NYMag.com's profile of Greenwald in which he complains that because he refuses to acknowledge the growing mountain of evidence that Russia attacked the 2016 election, no one wants to talk to him anymore:

Thanks to this never-ending hot take, Greenwald has been excommunicated from the liberal salons that celebrated him in the Snowden era; anybody who questions the Russia consensus, he says, “becomes a blasphemer. Becomes a heretic. I think that’s what they see me as.” Greenwald is no longer invited on MSNBC, and he’s portrayed in the Twitter fever swamp as a leading villain of the self-styled Resistance.

This apparently deeply offends Greenwald who considers himself the cool and hip truthsayer disrupting the corporate news sheeple. Relegated to the right wing bubble of Fox News, the "progressive" Greenwald can't stop himself from bitterly lashing out at other journalists who continue to report on the avalanche of information flowing from the largest political scandal in American history:

“I used to be really good friends with Rachel Maddow,” he says. “And I’ve seen her devolution from this really interesting, really smart, independent thinker into this utterly scripted, intellectually dishonest, partisan hack.” His view of the liberal online media is equally charitable. “Think about one interesting, creative, like, intellectually novel thing that [Vox’s] Matt Yglesias or Ezra Klein have said in like ten years,” he says. “In general, they’re just churning out Democratic Party agitprop every single day of the most superficial type.”

This isn't the first time Greenwald and his disciples have attacked Maddow but this reeks of professional jealously. Vox is one of the top political sites in the country and Rachel Maddow is the number 1 cable news show. And while The Intercept is hardly failing, Glenn Greenwald's influence is clearly not what it once was:

Greenwald’s half-a-million-dollar Intercept salary reflects his role as the founder and figurehead of the organization. But since the Snowden revelations, Greenwald hasn’t done much original reporting, and he has lately repositioned himself as a bomb-throwing media critic.

In other words, Greenwald is an expensive troll, yelling at real journalists doing real journalism. Maybe Greenwald is a little too cozy with Russia after Snowden, maybe he's so isolated from living in Brazil that he's lost touch with reality. Here's the thing; Greenwald's motivations for dismissing the Russia story are deeply suspect no matter how you look at it.

Let's say that Greenwald is so suspicious of the American intelligence community that he won't believe a word they say. That's all fine and good but that also requires him to ignore the massive amount of investigative reporting done by the both the American and international press, including his own reporters at his own website:

In June, it [The Intercept] published an explosive story that Russia had attempted to infiltrate voter-registration systems days before the election by sending phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials. The information came from a leaked NSA report; shortly before the Intercept published its story, a Georgia NSA employee named Reality Winner was arrested on espionage charges.

Greenwald blew it off as, seriously, fake news:

“I never liked the story. I thought it was bullshit and knew it was going to be huge in a way that was totally unjustified in what it actually revealed,” he says. “I think it tried to overstate the importance of what that document was.”

Clearly, there are no facts that can persuade Greenwald. That's not being a journalist, that's being an "utterly scripted, intellectually dishonest, partisan hack." I guess he was just projecting when he attacked Maddow.

But it gets worse. As a leader of the Purity Left, Greenwald has a vested interest in maintaining the fiction that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election. First, as one of the people that spent the entire election savagely attacking Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, Greenwald helped put Trump where he is. In order to avoid taking responsibility for this, Greenwald and the rest of the Purity Left must keep up the narrative that the only reason Hillary Clinton lost was Hillary Clinton. Acknowledging that the election was tampered with in any way leaves open the possibility of admitting their culpability and Greenwald and his ilk will not do that. Ever.

An even more cynical reason for Greenwald to fabricate Russia's innocence is that it undermines the narrative that America and the Democratic Party are hopelessly corrupt and need to be destroyed:

Rather than see Trump as a product of a rotten power structure, as Greenwald does, and the 2016 election as a wild reaction against that power structure, as Greenwald also does, it was easier for most American liberals to frame his victory as an accident. And rather than look within to eradicate the conditions that wrought Trump, it was more comforting to pin his rise on an external foe.

I literally do not know a single person on the left that consider the Trump presidency an "accident". Every single one of them considers it either a stolen election (the majority) or one lost by Hillary Clinton (the minority). All of them acknowledge that Trump is the end product of 50 years of right wing rhetoric; that he would not be in the White house if the conservative movement weren't already ripe for the plucking.

In other words, the left could not be manipulated into electing a monster like Trump no matter how hard "the elites" tried because the core-deep corruption Greenwald insists is on both sides doesn't actually exist on both sides. Is the left perfect? Are the Democrats saints? Don't be stupid. Of course not. But not being perfect is not the same as being endemically corrupt and desperately in need of someone to blame for their failings.

Yet, Greenwald persists in this myth:

The Russian scandal proved ideal. “Across the political aisle, American elites are preoccupied with rejuvenating a Cold War in the name of believing that all of our problems are traceable to the Kremlin,” Greenwald argued. The notion that “Putin is not some fumbling dictator but some kind of an omnipotent mastermind,” he went on, “stems very much from this human desire to believe that when things go wrong, it can’t be our fault.”

Here, you see Greenwald mimicking what is essentially a right wing talking point the Purity Left has glommed onto. Employing the reductionist rhetoric so beloved by the right, Greenwald attempts to reframe the left's beliefs to fit his own narrative. But no one thinks only Russia is responsible for Trump being in the Oval Office. There's also mass voter suppression (Voter I.D. laws, felon disenfranchisement, voter registration purges, polling location closures, "accidentally" deleted votes, etc.), the FBI letter about a "renewed" Clinton investigation (and not-at-all suspicious refusal of the FBI to discuss the Trump investigation happening at the same), and the media's astonishing role in normalizing Trump's abnormal behavior while turning Hillary's slightest misstep into world-shattering scandals. Add to that the relentless smear job of the GOP and the Purity Left fueled by Russian propaganda and money, then you have all the pieces necessary to steal an election for Donald Trump by 75,000 votes.

But that doesn't fit Greenwald's narrative. It's true the Democrats and the press are loudly focused on Russia but that's only because of the immediacy and uniqueness of the threat. It also presents the very real and existential danger of a president under the direct control of a hostile foreign government. Trump's completely uncharacteristically submissive attitude towards Russia should be setting off klaxons for even a mindless contrarian like Greenwald.

But it doesn't which means that Greenwald continues to cling to his "burn it all to the ground" mentality. After all, when you consider the United States to be the greatest evil in the world, Trump is the best thing that could possibly happen to it; a potentially fatal fire starter. And, as always, the people most invested in watching it all burn are the ones that won't be caught in the flames. Demanding sacrifice is always easy when you're not the one doing the sacrificing. That's why Greenwald is more than happy to go on Fox to keep up his attacks on the evil Democrats. It doesn't matter that they're right wing propagandists promoting white nationalism and paranoia, Fox gives him a place to push his agenda:

He is miked up and fitted with an earpiece, then forced to wait 20 minutes as his segment keeps getting bumped. The experience of actually listening to Carlson’s show seems to get to him.“

He’s on a huge anti-gun-control, anti-disarmament rant,” Greenwald tells me the first time I ask him what Carlson’s talking about. “Bullshit,” he says the second time I ask, rolling his eyes. By the time he goes live, it is 11:50 p.m., and Carlson asks just two questions.“

So I only had like three minutes,” he says, un-miking himself. “But it’s fine. It was worth it. It was cathartic.”

Yeah, that seems like someone who's interested in actual journalism and not at all in his own personal gratification.

It's too bad that Greenwald continues to lead the Purity Left deeper into the wilderness. He's not entirely wrong that the United States needs a course correction but his willingness to throw it all away is marginalizing his voice; a danger the entire Purity Left is exposed to now. They've been needlessly antagonistic to the rest of the left and now a blue wave is coming without their needed input. By insisting that the Democrats can't win without them, what happens when it they win anyway and win big? Anyone in power inclined to listen to them will stop and they will lose their shot at affecting change.

Meanwhile, if progressive "heroes" like Greenwald have decided that Rachel Maddow, one of the smartest, strongest progressive voices of our generation is not pure enough, maybe it's time to find some new heroes. Maybe ones that care more about progress and the truth than their own ego.

There are 287 days left to the 2018 elections.

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Sounder » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:03 am

It is the internal inconsistencies that reveal the hackery of the article and people that push them.

the FBI letter about a "renewed" Clinton investigation (and not-at-all suspicious refusal of the FBI to discuss the Trump investigation happening at the same), and the media's astonishing role in normalizing Trump's abnormal behavior while turning Hillary's slightest misstep into world-shattering scandals.


The media sensationalized Trumps behavior because that's what they do but I don't recall any press inquiry into The CF Haiti scam where they only disbursed money to themselves, with two muckrakers killed for bringing up the distasteful events. Or any other stories potentially illustrative of the history of the Clinton money making machine.

Clinton lost because she is a cold personality. The Trump circus act did not plan on winning but his hot personality gained the win, it had nothing to do with Russia.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:38 am

trump has absolutely no connections with the Russian mob...quit saying that :)

no one trump knows has any dealings with any Russians ...quit saying that :lol:

trump could no longer borrow money from U.S. banks so where is a guy to go for money?

and when he gets that money there is no chance he would be beholden to anyone for anything :D

General Yellowkerk was not making plans to build nuclear plants with Russians before trump was sworn it quit saying that :D

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:39 am

Sounder » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:03 am wrote:It is the internal inconsistencies that reveal the hackery of the article and people that push them.

the FBI letter about a "renewed" Clinton investigation (and not-at-all suspicious refusal of the FBI to discuss the Trump investigation happening at the same), and the media's astonishing role in normalizing Trump's abnormal behavior while turning Hillary's slightest misstep into world-shattering scandals.


The media sensationalized Trumps behavior because that's what they do but I don't recall any press inquiry into The CF Haiti scam where they only disbursed money to themselves, with two muckrakers killed for bringing up the distasteful events. Or any other stories potentially illustrative of the history of the Clinton money making machine.

Clinton lost because she is a cold personality. The Trump circus act did not plan on winning but his hot personality gained the win, it had nothing to do with Russia.



Trump as hot and Hillary as cold seems a very McLuhan-esque and apt interpretation.

Trump acts sensationally; thus the coverage is sensational.

His aggressive attacks on the press, running now for years, may have something to do with the press not treating him very kindly. Even those who attempt to remain objective or unbiased will have a hard time doing so when someone consistently claims verifiable facts are "fake."

While Hillary's cool scandals have not garnered the same firestorm of media attention as Trump's hot ones, there clearly has been some press inquiry into the Haiti subject, otherwise you would be so unaware of it as to be unable to bring it up.

Russia may not be the cause of Trump's win, and there is no shortage of hot air on the subject, but there seems to be a lot of smoke in the form of guilty pleas and sworn testimony for there not to be some fire there.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:43 am

Putin is not involved in U.S. politics...quit saying that


Russia-linked Twitter accounts are working overtime to help Devin Nunes

#ReleaseTheMemo has spiked 233,000% over the past 48 hours, according to Hamilton 68, a website that tracks Russian propaganda in near-real time.
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I don't know does trump know Manafort? :D


The indictment (PDF), unsealed on Monday, includes an extensive look into Paul Manafort’s byzantine financial dealings. In particular, it details how he used a company called Lucicle Consultants Limited to wire millions of dollars into the United States.

The Cyprus-based Lucicle Consultants Limited, in turn, reportedly received millions of dollars from a businessman and Ukrainian parliamentarian named Ivan Fursin, who is closely linked to one of Russia’s most notorious criminals: Semion Mogilevich.
Mogilevich is frequently described as “the most dangerous mobster in the world.” Currently believed to be safe in Moscow, he is, according to the FBI, responsible for weapons trafficking, contract killings, and international prostitution. In 2009, he made the bureau’s Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list.

“Ivan Fursin was a senior figure in the Mogilevich criminal organization,”

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Mogilevich➡️Fursin➡️Manafort➡️Pence➡️Trump
According to the indictment, Manafort and his former business partner, Rick Gates,.....
A December 2005 report from the Austrian Federal Criminal Investigation Agency said the FBI described Fursin and Firtash as senior members of the Semion Mogilevich Organization.


yes that Rick Gates who is now a cooperating witness :yay


Mogilevich is not Russian ....quit saying that :jumping:

MOGILEVICH: “It’s because I smoke so much. Davidoff cigarettes.”
Tom Mangold called Bob Levinson Mogilevich’s “nemesis.”
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DOJ: Ex-Manafort Associate Firtash Is Top-Tier Comrade of Russian Mobsters

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yes that Felix Sater who father is BBF with Mogilevich

Everything you need to know about Felix Sater
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Russian Conspiracy ............................who can say :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Investiga
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TRUMP is seriously dangerous
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Jared Kushner
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The Festering Darkness That is Steve Bannon
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Paul Manafort
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INDICTED Turkish Minister Former General Manager...GIULIANI?
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Russia Biggest Cybersecurity Firm Head Arrested For Treason
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Will Flynn bring back Yellowcake to WH Menu after 1-21-17?
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Panama Papers
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First Charges Filed in U.S. Special Counsel Mueller's Russia
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Everything you need to know about Felix Sater
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=40670

Is The Trump Thing Serious?
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Did Trump collude with Israel?
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The Domestic Conspiracy Is Hiding In Plain Sight Erik Prince
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=40315

Mike Pence is seriously dangerous
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=40077

The Impeachment of President Donald J Trump
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Carter Page
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Tea Pot Dome, Watergate, Trump: Crime, Cover-up and Curious
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Supposed photos of supposedly captured FBI agent -- WTF?
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there is not one shred of evidence that trump has ANY involvement in ANY thing Russia
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Sounder » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:30 am

Thank-you for your well considered reply mentalgongfu2.

On the Haiti thing, I must have heard it on RT. :bigsmile


Yeah SLAD, your graphic does nothing for me, and the constant agitprop makes your submissions suspect.

People that promote agitprop, by definition, have no interest or concern for truth.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:48 am

I know facts are a problem for you ......I post evidence

and trump has no connection with the Russian mob ....trump has no connections with the Russian mob.....trump has no connection with the Russian mob ....trump has no connections with the Russian mob

when you ain't got nothin' go for the name calling Sounder ...it's all you got ...can't refute one word so go for name calling ..it's so much easier.....your fly bys are suspect

your concern for truth is underwhelming

your non-submissions are suspect

be authentic.....refute the overwhelming evidence instead of name calling...but that would take time which you apparently have no predilection for

so let's just stop this silly juvenile name calling and accusatory tone....questioning members motives for posting here is out of order

Please do not accuse my postings here as suspect.....and I won't question how or why you post here...OK?
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Jerky » Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:55 am

Sounder, after some of the ridiculous crap you say here, you've got no cause to insult SLAD by questioning their ethics and sincerity. In response to a question about Putin's malevolence, you coughed up a couple of lies about Clinton apparently murdering two people to keep "DA TWOOF" about what took place in Haiti with the Clinton Foundation under wraps (even though the Clinton Foundation is one of the most highly regarded and fiscally transparent NGOs in current operation). Contrary to your bizarre claims, the problems with earthquake recovery in Haiti were much covered by the media, and have NOTHING to do with the "greed" of the Clintons. Mistakes were made, and it certainly wasn't a success, but it's nothing like the evil enterprise that the organized Right has tried to make it seem.

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Elvis » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:08 am

About Greenwald: thing is, Rachal Maddow IS an utterly scripted, intellectually dishonest, partisan hack. The fact that's the lead of the article tells me all I need to know. Nauseating hit job on progressives, lots of liberals will swallow it whole and shuffle back onto the reservation.

The very people who work to expose nefarious deep politics are coming under attack by the very people who ought to be supporting them the most. The writers doing this are either true-believer partisan hacks, or they care about their careers more than they care about the truth, or they're spooks.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:14 pm

Elvis » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:08 am wrote:The very people who work to expose nefarious deep politics are coming under attack by the very people who ought to be supporting them the most.


Worse still, looks like some are now gendering the nature of truth claims themselves, presumably finding it effective to ride on deeply felt (and righteous) rage about misogyny already at the collective surface right now. Emily Wheeler's piece isn't all bad but at least the title suggests detracting from big Russia theories is most likely due to masculine egotism:

to prioritize the more bombastic claims of men over the sometimes quieter work of women


She's spot-on about the dearth of women in the piece (and at large in media) but pretty spurious for suggesting skepticism is some sort of masculine defect, that only a not-woke man would to fail to look past his own big "expensive troll" ego to see the (cyrillic) writing on the wall. Curious too that the very bombastic Ms. Caitlin Johnson is such a persona non grata lately.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby American Dream » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:22 pm

Let's face it, the Russian State is building its popular base on a right wing populism which includes significant elements of Misogyny and Queerphobia as the building blocks of a Nationalism which gives the bosses virtual carte blanche to lie, cheat, steal and murder as needed. The same holds generally true for the USA.

Neither of the above represents any kind of credible way forward towards collective liberation.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:40 pm

American Dream » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:22 pm wrote:Let's face it, the Russian State is building its popular base on a right wing populism which includes significant elements of Misogyny and Homo/Queerphobia as building blocks of a crude Nationalism which gives the bosses carte blanche to lie, cheat, steal and murder as needed. The same holds generally true for the USA.

Neither of the above represents any kind of credible way forward towards collective liberation.


No doubt. But simply being insidious isn't evidence of collusion in election influencing. I've loathed all of what you describe here for at least a decade. But bearing all the same fundamental skepticism of domestic media, intelligence agencies, etc that I did before November 2016 hardly implies I've come under Putin's spell.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby American Dream » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:46 pm

Still, I think the elephant in the room is covert support for the regimes controlling Russia, Iraq, Syria etc. paraded under the banner of "anti-Imperialism".

I'm speaking more generally, especially in Conspiracylandia, amongst people with sympathies towards the Far Right, Stalinoids, and others.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Elvis » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:52 pm

I'm just trying to say — when there are no more Mannings, no more Assanges, no more Greenwalds, no more Snowdens, no more Binneys, no more Poitrases, no more Sibels, no more Ellsbergs, we'll be sorry we maligned, attacked, shouted down and jailed those heroes.

I wait with interest to see how Chelsea Manning's Senate run goes. She's already being threatened with prosecution. If she continues to support Julian Assange, will the knives come out here on RI?
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:55 pm

did you see who Manning was partying with last weekend?

and why is Binney handing stuff over to Alex Jones?

why is Sibel going on Info Wars?

Gavin McInnes, who once called trans people “gender n*ggers.” Meanwhile, photos dating back to November emerged showing Manning posing after an “escape room” game with pro-Trump conspiracy hustlers including Lucian Wintrich and Jack Posobiec.


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Those close to Manning told Mic that the time she spent with the far right is part of a larger campaign of anti-fascism and an intelligence-gathering operation that compelled her to play along with far-right characters. That sentiment was echoed in tweets Manning sent out after the party.

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“I should have been more careful about these situations and done more to prevent this chaos,” Cassandra Fairbanks, the right-wing social media personality who brought Manning to the party, told Mic. “I should have been a better friend.”

After this story was published, Manning called Mic to insist that Fairbanks was never a “trusted confidante.”

“‘Trusted confidante’ implies I’m providing them information, which I’m not,” Manning told Mic. “They barely got anything from me. I didn’t trust them with anything.”

Instead, she said of the right wingers she’s met that she “viewed them as sources, but nothing more.” But what about Fairbanks and others’ assertion that the two of them had a friendship? Would she consider Fairbanks a friend?
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