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Postby stickdog99 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:04 pm

And dyed in the wool Democratic party activists who are also, unfortunately for their sanity, cable news junkies.

IMHO, Russiagate was largely invented to distract, satiate, and mollify this audience.

The one thing that everyone allowed a voice in our corporate arguing about Russiagate can totally agree upon, from Mueller to Barr to Pelosi to Sanders to Ocasio-Cortz, is that we can and should fully accept Crowdstrike's analysis without question that "Russian agents" hacked both the Podesta and DNC emails.

Questioning Crowdstrike's analysis in any way is tantamount to embracing a (GASP) conspiracy theory! And we all know that only Russians engage in conspiracies, and only drunken Presidential tweets are allowed to countenance such theories.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:14 pm

Dutch took pictures of Russian hackers of US Democrats
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With Trump denying any Russian support in his victory, US intelligence has been leaking like a sieve to prove the contrary. According to de Volkskrant, these leaks angered the Dutch, who didn't want their access -- now lost -- to be revealed, even if they were not specifically identified to the media as the source of all this crucial information.

As is the case with Israel and the UK, both of which have been burned by Trump himself after divulging intelligence to the US, the Dutch are now warier about sharing the secrets they find with the Americans.

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and the counterintelligence investigation of the trump team and Russia hasn't stopped
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:45 pm

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I see there's continued reliance on INTEL AGENCIES as a source for reliable information, offered here without a hint of scrutiny.


Fanciful tales layered over fanciful tales. Russiagate: the Great Distractor. And quite successful in its mission to distract [and frustrate], clearly. It's a great reason to tune out the TV and interwebs for the next month+. I'll go first.


Belligerent Savant » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:01 pm wrote:.

Current affairs program Nieuwsuur and newspaper de Volkskrant based the story on several anonymous intelligence sources in the Netherlands and the United States.


I'd ask y'all to wake me when the FARCE finally subsides, but then I'd never wake up.

The FARCE will continue -- in myriad forms -- in perpetuity, so long as there are dupes to be fooled.

And there are plenty of dupes out there. Their numbers are increasing, in fact.


Enjoy the show.


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alloneword » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:42 pm wrote:Rather a stale story, this one. A good reality check from Suzie Dawson a few months back:

10 reasons why the Dutch-Russia hacking story is fake news -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net



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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:57 pm

Why Suzie Dawson was removed from Pursuance
https://pursuanceproject.wordpress.com/ ... pursuance/

is she still in Russia?
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Marionumber1 » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:11 pm

With all due respect, SLAD, that seems like a genetic fallacy that doesn't address any of Suzie Dawson's argument. And I say that as a cybersecurity person who finds some of her points off-base: for instance, it's dumb to ask why elite hackers would "resort" to phishing, as social engineering is often more effective than technical means of breaking in. Why can't we stay focused on arguments rather than personalities?
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 pm

I've decided to answer your question here instead of posting anymore here so I can elaborate and not derail this thread
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:54 pm

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Breaking! Dutch spy agency claims to have pictures of Russians going in and out of a Russian building in the years 2014-2017! Breaking! Dutch spy agency assigns name to this Russian group, and it's the same name that US spy agencies have also given it! Breaking, breaking, Q-E-fuckin'-D!!! What do you mean, you don't care and you don't want to see the pictures? Fuck, you CAN'T see the pictures, sorry. You don't have the clearance that Dutch and US spy agencies award, as a matter of national security, to protect you, you ungrateful traitor. But maybe if you wait, and keep following this, like a patriot and not a traitor, you can be strung along and made to anticipate the pictures for another four or five years. By then, you won't know the labor theory of value or the history of imperialism or how to effect social and political change in American contexts, but you'll have learned the names of many Russians going in and out of a Russian building in the years 2014-2017, and the crimes that US and Dutch spy agencies and/or FBI informant Marcy Wheeler allege or insinuate or speculate or vaguely suggest they may have committed! Several of which might not even seem like crimes to you but that will be because you are either not an expert and should keep your trap shut about national security and things you don't know, or because you are a fucking Russian traitor. You'll be sorry if you ever doubted it, because these pictures will indeed show Russians going in and out of a Russian building in the years 2014-2017! Breaking! This is proof of the crime, it's a smoking gun!

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby alloneword » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:51 am

This again?

As Adam Carter [aka Tim Leonard] (very politely - well, he is British!) put it:

January 26, 2018 Adam Carter

Yesterday saw the publication of an English language version of an article written by Huib Modderkolk by Dutch news site the Volkskrant, titled “Dutch agencies provide crucial intel about Russia’s interference in US-elections.”

The article explains how Dutch intelligence agency AIVD were monitoring “Cozy Bear” (APT-29) as far back as 2014, and states that a year later the intelligence agency witnessed an attack against the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

“That’s how the AIVD becomes witness to the Russian hackers harassing and penetrating the leaders of the Democratic Party, transferring thousands of emails and documents. It won’t be the last time they alert their American counterparts. And yet, it will be months before the United States realize what this warning means: that with these hacks the Russians have interfered with the American elections. And the AIVD hackers have seen it happening before their very eyes.”


However, despite all the above assertions, there was no major leak of documents related to the DNC in 2015. The emails that were released in 2016 were acquired earlier that same year – so, it’s not clear what it was the AVID saw “happening before their very eyes” so early on.

Of course, it’s unsurprising to read on and discover:
“The Dutch access provides crucial evidence of the Russian involvement in the hacking of the Democratic Party, according to six American and Dutch sources who are familiar with the material, but wish to remain anonymous.”


The article is already introducing ambiguity between Dutch and US-based sources and, of course, those sources want to be anonymous and are not attributed to the agencies or organizations they are affiliated with.

This is then followed by a statement that may create complications for those wanting to see accountability on what they suspect to be FISA abuses. The article relates:

“It’s also grounds for the FBI to start an investigation into the influence of the Russian interference on the election race between the Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and the Republican candidate Donald Trump.”


The article also claims that the US intelligence community made their “high confidence” assessment on the back of AIVD’s intel:

“Three American intelligence services state with ‘high confidence’ that the Kremlin was behind the attack on the Democratic Party. That certainty, sources say, is derived from the AIVD hackers having had access to the office-like space in the center of Moscow for years.”


While it’s true that the Grizzly Steppe joint analysis report from December 31, 2016, does mention APT-28 and APT-29, much of the referenced material there comes from what was reported by CrowdStrike, Fidelis, etc in relation to their efforts to investigate in 2016 .

However, in the intelligence community assessment (ICA), the document that actually contains the majority of the conclusions (released on January 5, 2017) doesn’t even cite the APT group (“Cozy Bear”/APT-29).

Understandably, there’s no mention of AIVD but it’s extraordinary not to make a reference in the document to the APT group if certainty for assessments was derived in relation to it.

It’s also strange to make a reference to MH17 without actually explaining it’s relevance for context:

“The Dutch hacker team spends weeks preparing itself. Then, in the summer of 2014, the attack takes place, most likely before the tragic crash of flight MH17. With some effort and patience, the team manages to penetrate the internal computer network. The AIVD can now trace the Russian hackers’ every step. But that’s not all.”


Putting that oddity aside, we’re then told the following:

“The Cozy Bear hackers are in a space in a university building near the Red Square. The group’s composition varies, usually about ten people are active. The entrance is in a curved hallway. A security camera records who enters and who exits the room. The AIVD hackers manage to gain access to that camera. Not only can the intelligence service now see what the Russians are doing, they can also see who’s doing it. Pictures are taken of every visitor. In Zoetermeer, these pictures are analyzed and compared to known Russian spies. Again, they’ve acquired information that will later prove to be vital.”


We could question how they knew, remotely, where different IPs were on the network in relation to the CCTV. One may also wonder how it’s known that the IP traced there wasn’t just a botnet relay (University networks are often targeted). Another issue is in regards to whether there was any consequence from comparing photos with known Russian spies, but this was all in 2014 – so none of this even relates to the DNC being hacked.

The article continues, explaining that the state department was targeted in November 2014 – which was reported on by the mainstream press at the time.

Then, we get to this section of the text:

“Access to Cozy Bear turns out to be a goldmine for the Dutch hackers. For years, it supplies them with valuable intelligence about targets, methods and the interests of the highest ranking officials of the Russian security service. From the pictures taken of visitors, the AIVD deduces that the hacker group is led by Russia’s external intelligence agency SVR.”


What’s interesting about this is that the US intelligence community has attributed APT-29 and APT-28 to the FSB and GRU, not the SVR (which actually would have made more sense). The only time they mention the SVR in the JAR or ICA reports was about separate activity relating to 2010.

Going further into the article, past the grossly familiar repetition of “undermining our democracy” hyperbole from Chris Painter, who expresses dismay that Russia would target politicians in the US, Volkskrant reports:

“In return, the Dutch are given knowledge, technology and intelligence. According to one American source, in late 2015, the NSA hackers manage to penetrate the mobile devices of several high ranking Russian intelligence officers.”


So here we return to an anonymous American source connected to the NSA, conceding that the NSA had hacked Russian intelligence officials in 2015. What did they learn from this?

“They learn that right before a hacking attack, the Russians search the internet for any news about the oncoming attack. According to the Americans, this indirectly proves that the Russian government is involved in the hacks.”


The one thing I’d inquire on here is whether the searches were genuinely specific to those attacks or whether Russian intelligence officials frequently search for hacks/leaks relating to America that may have been inferred as a causative correlation. With no examples cited, it’s difficult to assess whether it’s significant or a false-positive.

Continuing on, we are offered a speculative statement from another nameless source towards the conclusion of the text for no apparent reason. The final lines of the work address a topic with no direct connection to the rest of the story, but is nonetheless spewed out as follows:

“Another source says it’s ‘highly likely’ that in return for the intelligence, the Dutch were given access to this specific American information. Whether any intelligence about MH17 was exchanged, is unknown.”


If you think it’s odd that MH17 gets cited again, without cause or reason, you’re not alone (I know a few others have noticed this too).

As the article heads towards it’s conclusion, no reference to any technical details regarding the DNC being hacked is provided and there is no evidence cited that actually bolsters the hacking allegations we’ve already heard regarding the DNC.

Instead, we skip ahead to Clinton and Trump:

“After her defeat in November 2016, Clinton will say that the controversy about her leaked emails are what cost her the presidency.”


Clinton’s leaked emails (as opposed to those from the DNC finance staff and John Podesta) actually came from an FOIA request.

“President elect Donald Trump categorically refuses to explicitly acknowledge the Russian interference.”


That’s probably because:

Many of the claims lack substance.

The content that supposedly influenced America wasn’t about candidates or parties and it’s difficult to see how pushing adverts that were both for and against Black Lives Matter (just to use one the most common examples of ‘disinfo’ being cited) could have made any statistically significant change to the outcome of the election when it didn’t serve to alter perceptions of the candidates or parties.

There’s evidence suggesting some parts of the alleged influence operations could have been mimicry engaged in by CrowdStrike.

The stories about DHS confirming Russia hacked into voting infrastructure was bogus.

The DNC’s intent of having Trump’s presidency nullified due to a premise that Russian subterfuge was the reason for him winning – is hardly something the DNC have been discrete about.


The article continues:

“It would tarnish the gleam of his electoral victory. He has also frequently praised Russia, and president Putin in particular. This is one of the reasons the American intelligence services eagerly leak information: to prove that the Russians did in fact interfere with the elections.”


And yet, despite all the resources at their disposal and a dragnet they maintain that catches all traffic in and out of the US, American intelligence services have been unable to provide any definitive proof supporting their assessments and have relied on assessing questionable evidence produced by a private-sector company that the DNC hired to investigate the alleged hacking of DNC emails while the DNC repeatedly rebuffed offers to assist and requests to investigate from intelligence agencies.

Finally, this evidence-lacking spin-fest of an article, devoid of any new evidence relating to the DNC having its emails acquired by unauthorized parties, concludes with:

“This has led to anger in Zoetermeer and The Hague. Some Dutchmen even feel betrayed. It’s absolutely not done to reveal the methods of a friendly intelligence service, especially if you’re benefiting from their intelligence. But no matter how vehemently the heads of the AIVD and MIVD express their displeasure, they don’t feel understood by the Americans. It’s made the AIVD and MIVD a lot more cautious when it comes to sharing intelligence. They’ve become increasingly suspicious since Trump was elected president.”


It’s disappointing, I’m sure, to hear AIVD “don’t feel understood” by the Americans. However, as Suzie Dawson pointed out, AIVD appear to be far from impartial and independent (even though the article gives that impression). In fact, it appears, from past leaks, that AIVD acts as a second-tier Third Party partner of the NSA and has had multiple points of contact available for the NSA to communicate with them ever since 2013.

Whether or not this is a deliberate effort to ‘gas-light’ us from one of the NSA’s international partners or not, one thing is for sure, the Volkskrant article contains nothing new or significant relating to the DNC being hacked or any details directly related to the emails being acquired.

For more reasons why the Volkskrant article is fake news, be sure to check out Suzie Dawson’s article too.

https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/01/du ... -russians/

The usual go-to response to such sober assessments from those pushing (still? Really??) the Russiagate narrative is to try to smear the author, usually by citing articles such as this piece by Duncan Campbell (tl;dr : "pro-Kremlin disinformation campaign that helped Trump deny Russian links", etc), or if really desperate, crap from the likes of 'Marcy Wheeler' ('Assange loyalists', dear God.).

Well, you can save some time by reading the debunking of the above Campbell piece by Adam Carter [Tim Leonard] first (or save even more time by reading neither. ;) )
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby PufPuf93 » Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:44 am

Besides having a professional relationship, Barr is a decades long personal friend of Robert Mueller. Barr and Mueller's wives are friends and bible study together.

I have never found Mueller especially comforting as he is GOP and a Bushite retained by Obama, that a likely mistake IMO. Shades of Fitzmas.

The situation appears to me that Barr and Mueller are working in tandem to muddy and take the wind out of the Trump investigation.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/ ... ds-1102244

New Trump-Russia subplot: Mueller and Barr are ‘good friends’


Trump’s attorney general nominee told senators the president knows about his 30-year relationship with the special counsel, whom Trump says is out to get him.

By DARREN SAMUELSOHN 01/15/2019 05:47 PM EST

The president’s pick to replace Jeff Sessions at the helm of the Justice Department has known and admired the president’s bête noire, Robert Mueller, for 30 years — and somehow President Donald Trump seems fine with that.

The relationship, which Barr described in public Tuesday during his Senate confirmation hearing, is both a source of reassurance to Democrats worried about Barr’s attitude toward Mueller’s probe and a reminder of the small size of Washington’s legal and law enforcement worlds.

Why it isn’t more troubling to Trump, who, Barr said, is aware of the relationship, remains a mystery.

Barr and Mueller first crossed paths at the Justice Department during the George H.W. Bush administration. But the relationship goes further: Their wives are close friends who attend Bible study together, and Mueller attended the weddings of two of Barr’s daughters.

“They have a high level of respect for each other,” said Paul McNulty, a former senior DOJ official who led the department’s policy and communications shop while Barr was attorney general and Mueller served as the head of its Criminal Division. “They have maintained a good friendship ever since.”

During his Senate confirmation hearing, Barr praised Mueller’s “distinguished record of public service” and said the special counsel’s probe is proper and should be allowed to proceed without interference. That’s a sharp contrast to the acting attorney general Barr would replace, Matthew Whitaker, who has called Mueller’s appointment “ridiculous and “a little fishy,” among other things.

Barr said Trump knows about his friendship with Mueller, saying on Tuesday that the topic came up during a June 2017 meeting he had had with Trump at the White House to discuss the possibility that he might serve as Trump’s personal lawyer in the Russia investigation.

Trump asked Barr how well he knew Mueller, and Barr said he replied that the two families “were good friends and would be good friends when this was all over and so forth, and he was interested in that.”

Barr said Trump also asked him what he thought about the special counsel’s “integrity and so forth and so on.”

“I said Bob is a straight shooter and should be dealt with as such,” Barr said he replied, adding that he told the president he also wasn’t interested in working as his personal attorney and “never heard from him again” until the opening for the attorney general post came up again late last year.

Barr smiles during the first day of his confirmation hearings to return to lead the Justice Department on Jan. 15.

The Barr-Mueller connection is all the more striking given Trump’s repeated complaints about the special counsel’s relationship with former FBI Director James Comey. Conservatives have long cited the bond between Mueller and Comey — whose firing by Trump prompted the special counsel’s appointment — as evidence that Mueller is hopelessly conflicted. Trump has piled on in Twitter missives and media interviews, calling the two men “best friends” working in tandem to tar his presidency.

“I could give you 100 pictures of him and Comey hugging and kissing each other,” the president told The Daily Caller last September.

Mueller and Comey are former Justice Department colleagues, but sources close to both men, and Comey himself, have insisted the president has exaggerated their bond.

“I admire the heck out of the man, but I don’t know his phone number. I’ve never been to his house. I don’t know his children’s names,” Comey told Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) last month during a joint House hearing with the former FBI director. “I think I had a meal once alone with him in a restaurant. … We’re not friends in any social sense.”

For their part, Trump and Barr do not appear to have deep ties. While Barr donated $2,700 to Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, he also gave $55,000 to a political action committee supporting Jeb Bush’s primary effort.

Barr told senators he “did not pursue this position” of attorney general under Trump, and the 68-year-old lawyer initially resisted the Republican president’s overtures to serve again as attorney general.

Congress

Key moments from William Barr's confirmation hearing

By MATTHEW CHOI

Trump has mentioned Barr only once on Twitter, on the day he announced the nomination. Nor did he hold a White House event to announce Barr’s nomination.
If confirmed, Barr would supervise Mueller’s now 20-month-old probe into alleged Russian collusion with the Trump campaign, from the special counsel’s budget to subpoenas and criminal indictments.
It won’t be the first time Barr has been Mueller’s boss.

During the George W. Bush administration, the two men often worked together on sensitive issues.

At the department’s 1991 news conference rolling out its annual budget request, for example, Barr, then deputy attorney general, was joined by Mueller, then the assistant attorney general in charge of the Criminal Division, to answer reporters’ questions about the Bush administration’s spending plans to combat white-collar crime, defense procurement fraud and child pornography.

Later that year, during Barr’s confirmation hearing to serve as Bush’s attorney general, Barr noted that he was overseeing Mueller in a wide-ranging federal investigation into the Bank of Credit and Commerce International, a politically connected Luxembourg-based bank that would later plead guilty to running a wide-scale money laundering scheme.

They also appeared together at a news conference announcing the indictment of two Libyan officials who were charged with bombing Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988.
And just ahead of the 1992 presidential election, Barr and Mueller pushed back against House Democratic demands seeking the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate the first Bush administration’s dealings with Iraq before the Persian Gulf War. “No amount of hysterical rhetoric or political cheap shots can substitute for evidence that warrants triggering the statute,” Mueller told the congressional panel during a highly charged hearing, according to a CNN report from the time.

Legal

Trump's AG nominee pledges to allow Mueller to complete investigation

By MARIANNE LEVINE and DARREN SAMUELSOHN

Former H.W. Bush DOJ official George Terwilliger III, who sat behind Barr at Tuesday’s Senate confirmation session, told Politico in an email that the two men still share a “great mutual professional respect.

“In the sense that anytime you work extensively with professional colleagues, especially on matters of some moment, who become friends when there is such mutual respect, I would describe them as friends,” he said.

Michael Zeldin, a former Mueller aide at DOJ, said the Mueller-Barr relationship would help give the two men confidence in each other’s judgment and analysis.

But he doubted that either would make decisions based on those ties. “You just don’t see that at this level of the Justice Department,” he said.

During Barr’s hearing, senators from both parties pressed the attorney general nominee on whether he would give Mueller the funding he needs to finish his investigation and see to it that a final accounting of the special counsel’s work be made public. On both issues, Barr said yes. He also said he would reject any presidential order that he fire Mueller.

Senators on the Judiciary panel also pressed Barr for more details about the tight-lipped Mueller. Would Barr describe the special counsel as a fair-minded person, Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham asked?

“Absolutely,” Barr replied.

Graham followed up by asking Barr if he expected Mueller to be fair to Trump and the country. “Yes,” said the nominee.

Invoking one of Trump’s favorite epithets about the Russia probe, the South Carolina senator asked Barr whether he believes Mueller “would be involved in a witch hunt against anybody.”
“I don’t believe Mr. Mueller would be involved in a witch hunt,” he replied.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Sounder » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:16 am

And yet, despite all the resources at their disposal and a dragnet they maintain that catches all traffic in and out of the US, American intelligence services have been unable to provide any definitive proof supporting their assessments and have relied on assessing questionable evidence produced by a private-sector company that the DNC hired to investigate the alleged hacking of DNC emails while the DNC repeatedly rebuffed offers to assist and requests to investigate from intelligence agencies.


The 'intelligence "service'" is either impotent or they are running a scam. Unbelievable amounts of click-bait level xenophobic Russia bashing, while accusing Russians of 'manipulating' our elections. Then they bury their hypocrisy by simply screaming louder. It has been absurd from the start and yet, sadly, the tactics seem to be effective.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:30 am

PufPuf93 » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:44 am wrote:Besides having a professional relationship, Barr is a decades long personal friend of Robert Mueller. Barr and Mueller's wives are friends and bible study together.

I have never found Mueller especially comforting as he is GOP and a Bushite retained by Obama, that a likely mistake IMO. Shades of Fitzmas.

The situation appears to me that Barr and Mueller are working in tandem to muddy and take the wind out of the Trump investigation.


The irony is that this could have been a set up all along -- get Mueller in as a trusted man to do the coverup and damage control, and run a kayfabe in which Trump treats him as the enemy, luring the Democrats in to support Mueller. Not that I think this is what happened, but I don't know, and if it were, it's worked beautifully. And it works because the Democrats (using the word too loosely here: some of them) were idiots. They worshipped at the feet of this miscreant, whose record includes active participation in the WMD lies. As FBI head, he presided over an agency that rounded up and detained hundreds of people who were Muslim without ever charging them, constructed bogus domestic terrorism cases, and directed the anthrax investigation toward the lone-perp dead end (at first constructing a false case against Hatfill). And now, the people who made a saint and savior out of Mueller are stuck, and look ridiculous if they discover for the first time the obvious facts about his career and in particular his friendship with Barr.

But that won't stop them. They have already started doing it.

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CNN just published my Op-Ed about why we should not be so quick to accept Barr's and Mueller's conclusion that the Trump campaign did not coordinate with Russia.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/16/opin ... index.html



All that time and energy could have been invested in fighting the real-world Trump regime and setting up a runaway election victory against him. But that's not remotely in the interests of those who produced #Russiagate.

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:39 pm

seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:07 pm wrote:has Assange apologized to Seth Rich's family?


Has Craig Murray? Also, Assange is not the progenitor/originator of the Seth Rich speculation. Nor, for that matter, does the big story of 2016, as told along the primary axis of Russian "hacking" as used to manipulate the political field in favor of Trump's victory, make sense. Even if I accepted it at face value (and I've not read the whole Mueller report but clearly remember summer 2016 and especially some independent infosec specialists who dissented from Crowdstrike), it would fail to explain why its passionate proponents have almost wholly erased the huge mass of Americans who voted for Trump and the huge mass of Americans who opposed the Clintons.

This remains, IMO, an attempt to write, in real-time, a new disciplinary political mythos intended to prevent the systemic eruptions of so-called "consciousness" (blech) around 1) metastatic economic injustice, 2) extinction and 3) permanent war.

Maybe Seth Rich was a low-level DNC tech dude who had the horrific misfortune of being in the wrong place in the wrong time. Maybe his work on voting access and accountability is only tragically coincidental as an explanation for why a "conspiracy theory" was built around his name. Maybe Assange is a totally fucking bereft Bond villian who used Seth's good name in the interest of evil.

But.

The reason it was ever even possible for anyone to structure that speculative chain of meaning was *because* there were very significant voting (and caucusing) aberrations during the 2016 democratic primary and because there was evidence of forceful erasure of "democracy" in that primary and because, when all is said and done, John Podesta's a fucking pig and the DNC is a fucking joke.

If Assange is a poop-flinging rape monkey fascist Russian agent, then he's a useful idiot. I think we'd only disagree about who's useful idiot he is.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby overcoming hope » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:31 pm

"THIS IS THE END OF MY PRESIDENCY. I'M F***ED"
- trump May 17, 2017

Slad I noticed this quote as your new signature. Can you explain the significance and your decision to make it your new sig?
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:32 pm

it is a direct quote from trump when he found out that Mueller was appointed

here's the whole quote from notes taken at the time

“Oh my God,” Trump said as he slumped in his chair, according to notes taken by assistant attorney general Jody Hunt and incorporated into the special counsel report released Thursday. “This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I’m f—ed.”

he knows he is fucked because Mueller has known about trump being associated with the mod for decades
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Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby overcoming hope » Sat Apr 20, 2019 3:34 pm

seemslikeadream » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:32 pm wrote:it is a direct quote from trump when he found out that Mueller was appointed


Ok so this is a direct verbatim quote from the president and it means?
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