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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby PufPuf93 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:04 pm

seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:53 am wrote:Mueller doesn't impeach the Russian Asset ...Congress starts the process

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The House impeaches, the Senate convicts (or does not convict) to remove from office.

But we wait for the conclusion of the Mueller investigation.

Progressives lost the 2016 election and won back the House in the 2018 election.

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:06 pm

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:20 pm

Friendly reminder that this is meant to be:

a thread devoted to agnostic and/or slightly more woo synchronistic speculation about [#RussiaGate].


Thanks.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Karmamatterz » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:51 pm

Some really fantastic reading in this thread. The post on Mueller's background was awesome. The followup with The Intercept to be commended. Thanks for sharing all that.

It would be a time suck, but interesting nonetheless to take top ten media faux news list and comb through RI and see how many of those stories were played up here.

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby PufPuf93 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:35 pm

My keyboard seems to be healed. Computers sometimes confuse me :wallhead:

My druthers would be for the House to do a roll call vote for impeachment each Monday. If impeachment passes, then to see what happens in the Senate.

Then the next Monday list impeachable offenses (simple as the newest lies) and roll call vote again. Again see what happens in Senate.

Then when Trump is out, proceed to Pence.

I do not doubt that there are crimes, many still to be uncovered and so many than perhaps even most will ever come to light. We live in a time and society where corruption is the norm. Mueller's indictments and plea bargains are also valid. The core that I do doubt is that there was Russian direct State sponsored disruption of our election or direct Russian State backed support of Trump. That Putin giving direct orders to Trump is ridiculous. Trump acting on his own in support of Russian interests and policies is actually better for Russia and Putin (who must be flabbergasted and frequently grinning over the self-harm by the USA). It is not about "stealing the POTUS election from HRC, HRC was a mistake by the Democrats and a disaster in and of herself and her supporters. The "Russian Conspiracy" has little to do with HRC though there are many who want and promote that to be the case. Just like the current Federal shutdown that is turning out to have nothing much to do with a border wall but rather economic considerations by a few and a general and more a scheme (a large long term effort) to reduce form and function of the Federal government and privatize the public commons.

There is a Russian Conspiracy and associated crimes but what is being spun and sold is not the core of the conspiracy but the visions of the various competing power, commerce, and political interests. "Our" vying leaderships have more in common with Putin and the oligarches than rank and file Americans and Russians. Part of this sale and spin is the Mueller Investigation itself.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:39 pm

edited ...my comments have been moved to my thread
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:55 pm

seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:39 pm wrote:
That Putin giving direct orders to Trump is ridiculous.


then why is trump hiding all his private communications with Putin?

Trump and Putin Have Met Five Times. What Was Said Is a Mystery
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/us/p ... tings.html



liminalOyster » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:20 pm wrote:Friendly reminder that this is meant to be:

a thread devoted to agnostic and/or slightly more woo synchronistic speculation about [#RussiaGate].


Thanks.



sorry liminalOyster but do you consider Jack's post about Greenwald off topic? At least Corsi is definitely part of the "Russian" conspiracy


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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:58 pm

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:17 pm

seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:58 pm wrote:ok I didn't realize this was a dissent thread I thought it was a woo thread....no room for dissenting in this dissenting thread :) .....I forgot we have to have separate threads now for everything ...I won't be back here now that I know I am not welcome...sorry to trouble you ...no problem

and it seems I am the only one you feel is off topic ...strange


I am not trying to run you off. I think this is kind of a *meta* thread about analyzing #russiagate as a phenomenon - it's history, how it works, what it implies, etc. Of course this kind of starts from a different place than most of your own posts, which are more "investigative."
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby Sounder » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:47 am

Not my writing and I can not find the source ATM, computer is acting up.



If Russiagate serves no other useful purpose, it is at least exposing the corporate media as the propaganda factories that they are. Given the amount of obviously fabricated horseshit they have disseminated during the last two years, you’d have to be a total moron or a diehard neoliberal cultist not to recognize the function they perform within the global capitalist ruling establishment (which is essentially no different than the function the establishment media perform in any other society, namely, to disseminate, maintain, and reify the official narrative of its ruling classes).

Sadly, there’s no shortage of morons and cultists. I don’t blame the morons, because … well, they’re morons. The cultists are another species entirely. These are people who, no matter how often the corporate media feed them another “explosive,” “bombshell” Russiagate story that turns out to be a bunch of horseshit, will defend the concept of the “independent media” like head-shaven, bug-eyed Manson followers. Confront them with facts contradicting their beliefs and they close their eyes and start chanting and humming and repetitiously babbling banishing spells. The notion that the Western corporate media may serve the interests of the ruling establishment (just like the media in every other society serve that society’s ruling classes) is unimaginable and tantamount to heresy.

This fetishization of “the independent press” is a phenomenon unique to Western capitalism. Basically, it’s a childish fairy tale, like believing that Santa Claus is an actual person or that voting in elections in a corporate oligarchy has anything to do with actual democracy. Think about it dispassionately for a minute. Why would any ruling establishment permit a genuinely “independent” press to disseminate ideas and information willy-nilly throughout society? If it did, it wouldn’t last very long.

Most people understand this intuitively, which is why the corporate media relentlessly repeat the mantra-like phrase, “free and independent press,” over, and over, and over again. Seriously, switch on NPR, or have a look at The Guardian or the Washington Post, or any of the other corporate media repeatedly reminding you how “independent,” “free” and “democratic” they are. It’s essentially Neuro-linguistic programming.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby conniption » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:05 am

Sounder » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:47 am wrote:If Russiagate serves no other useful purpose, it is at least exposing the corporate media as the propaganda factories that they are. Given the amount of obviously fabricated horseshit they have disseminated during the last two years, you’d have to be a total moron or a diehard neoliberal cultist not to recognize the function they perform within the global capitalist ruling establishment (which is essentially no different than the function the establishment media perform in any other society, namely, to disseminate, maintain, and reify the official narrative of its ruling classes).

>snip<


^^^ I know where that came from...

https://consentfactory.org/2019/01/21/t ... ate-media/

( ...but, I don't post CJ Hopkins anymore because Mac and others are bothered by whatever it is that bothers them ... )
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:31 am

conniption » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:05 am wrote:( ...but, I don't post CJ Hopkins anymore because Mac and others are bothered by whatever it is that bothers them ... )


(that may be more me than Mac, or Mac not at all unless I missed something, but it's not that I am bothered, unless perhaps it's bothered by a style not quite as funny as he tells himself. substantively objectionable would be his frequent tendency to make very light of movement fascism rising in the U.S., as if that is but a show staged by the selfsame establishment media cultists he rightly slaps in the quoted piece ...)
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby overcoming hope » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:47 pm

I recently watched a documentary about the street artist Shepard Fairey, the guy who created the famous Obama hope posters in 2008. What is more interesting to me, are the obey posters and stickers he made with the Andre the Giant image. For those that don't know he took an image of Andre the Giant and originally had the phrase, 'Andre the Giant has a posse' then he changed it to just the word 'Obey'. Shepard talks about how he became fascinated with how the image gained a sort of authority just by repetition. It was so ubiquitous in some areas that it in a way became powerful simply through that repetition. Whatever other techniques are being used to push the 'Russian Conspiracy' it seems like this authority through repetition is at the top of the list.
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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:21 am

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See my posts regarding the Stone indictment on the "Real Russiagate" thread.

In case you haven't noticed, ha ha, original ratfucker and longtime political ax-man Roger Stone got indicted by Mueller. As you may remember, after the DNC leaks in June and July 2016, Stone scammed the Trump campaign, first under Manafort's and then under Bannon's management, by posing as an inside contact to Wikileaks, which he was not. He was directed by the campaign to get Assange to release more Clinton dirt, and dutifully read the press and pressured poor Randy Credico, who actually knows Assange, to help concoct the impression that he did, in fact, have such influence with Assange, which he did not. When the Podesta leaks were first teased by Wikileaks publicly and then released in October, Stone played as if he had predicted it. Later he lied about his own earlier deceptions to a congressional committee and other investigators. That last part is the stuff of the indictment. All this stuff has been known for many months. The priests of #Russiagate are having holy burning triplets about this latest long-awaited revelation of their godhead. It's the beginning of the end, Trump is finished!tm

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True to form and yet shocking in its own way is how completely this latest super-breaking-bombshell rehashes stuff that's been public for months or years now. Using public domain and open source we could have made the case, using the same evidence as presented in the indictments -- including the long ago released e-mails and text messages between Stone and Credico, and the leaked-on-Wikileaks communications in which Assange told Stone to get lost. It was evident from these that Stone tried to act as an intermediary to Wikileaks for the Trump campaign (also that he lied about being a Wikileaks insider to get himself in with the Trumpsters), that the Trumpsters probably asked Stone to get them more Hillary dirt via Wikileaks (as if Trump wasn't already asking this on television), and that Stone later lied to Congress about the ways he lied earlier to the Trumpsters.

The larger point is that the Mueller investigation isn't coming up with more than that. The well is dry and the cases -- no doubt solid regarding perjury and such, and no doubt aimed at deserving individuals with long and perfidious records -- are constructs to fit the untenable larger #Russiagate narrative of "Russia" secretly running the Trump campaign to success and holding Trump hostage through blackmail. And it works only through constant belaboring and recasting of the same details in a perpetual loop on the corporate media and in the #Russiagate parts of the blogosphere.

Stubborn repetition of the same claims without regard for the counterevidence is supposed to establish fact, at least for long periods, a point that overcoming hope underlines above.

Meanwhile, almost all of the same parties driving #Russiagate in public offer silence or assent as Trump ramps up a motherfucking war on Venezuela.

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Re: The Russian Conspiracy as RI subject

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:34 pm

John Pilger, on January 17th 2017, wrote:[...] The lies about Russia - in whose elections the US has openly intervened - have made the world's most self-important journalists laughing stocks. In the country with constitutionally the freest press in the world, free journalism now exists only in its honourable exceptions.

The obsession with Trump is a cover for many of those calling themselves "left/liberal", as if to claim political decency. They are not "left", neither are they especially "liberal". Much of America's aggression towards the rest of humanity has come from so-called liberal Democratic administrations - such as Obama's. America's political spectrum extends from the mythical centre to the lunar right. The "left" are homeless renegades Martha Gellhorn described as "a rare and wholly admirable fraternity". She excluded those who confuse politics with a fixation on their navels. [...]

http://johnpilger.com/articles/this-wee ... ourselves-


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