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Postby Harvey » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:41 am

It's finally dawning upon me. Trump is the collective American vehicle for avoiding any and all responsibility for the present. "It isn't us, it's Trump." Which is a lot easier than doing something about it. Anyway, if you ever do escape from that trap, don't fall into the next one, "it's all our fault," because that one isn't true either.

Meanwhile, Macky has pointed toward the connection between your way of life, the one you have been acclimatised to by a century of consumerism and the parts of the awfulness which are actually visible to you. Trump as Russian hijack is a diversion almost as successful as 9/11 represented. You are collectively behaving as though you had learned nothing in the intervening decade and a half. Please stop being led. Please begin to lead. I suppose it's up to you to separate what you do want from what you don't want. The difficulty is in knowing whether what you want is native and organic to you, or programmed by the hijackers of your culture. In fact if we examine what happened to Russia after the end of the cold war, it's quite clear who the enemy is. They use words like freedom to describe murder.

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Re: Trump’s reported exit from Paris climate deal signals en

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:47 am

Pittsburgh Mayor Rejects Trump Citing The City To Support Climate Decision

By MATT SHUHAM Published JUNE 1, 2017 5:27 PM


The mayor of Pittsburgh clapped back at President Donald Trump on Thursday after Trump cited the city as a justification for withdrawing the United States from the Paris Agreement on climate change.

The United States joins two nations — Syria, in a civil war, and Nicaragua, who thought the accord didn’t go far enough — in not participating in the voluntary, historic agreement.

“I was elected to represent the citizens of Pittsburgh, not Paris,” Trump said, arguing that “We want fair treatment for its citizens and we want fair treatment for our taxpayers. We don’t want other leaders and other countries laughing at us anymore, and they won’t be. They won’t be.”

Bill Peduto, the city’s mayor, answered quickly:

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The United States joins Syria, Nicaragua & Russia in deciding not to participate with world's Paris Agreement. It's now up to cities to lead


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Majorities of Americans in Every State Support Participation in the Paris Agreement
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Blue States Form Climate Alliance After Trump Withdraws From Paris Pact

By CAITLIN MACNEAL Published JUNE 2, 2017 8:00 AM
After President Donald Trump announced his decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate agreement on Thursday, the Democratic governors in California, New York, and Washington state announced a state climate coalition called the United States Climate Alliance.

“The President has already said climate change is a hoax, which is the exact opposite of virtually all scientific and worldwide opinion,” California Governor Jerry Brown said in a statement announcing the alliance. “I don’t believe fighting reality is a good strategy – not for America, not for anybody. If the President is going to be AWOL in this profoundly important human endeavor, then California and other states will step up.”

The alliance will support the Paris pact and serve as “a forum to sustain and strengthen existing climate programs, promote the sharing of information and best practices, and implement new programs to reduce carbon emissions from all sectors of the economy,” according to a statement from the three governors.

Brown will also travel to China on Friday where he will participate in a climate summit and speak with Chinese officials about combatting climate change.

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Re: Trump’s reported exit from Paris climate deal signals en

Postby Blue » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:42 am

Harvey » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:41 am wrote:Meanwhile, Macky has pointed toward the connection between your way of life, the one you have been acclimatised to by a century of consumerism and the parts of the awfulness which are actually visible to you. Trump as Russian hijack is a diversion almost as successful as 9/11 represented. You are collectively behaving as though you had learned nothing in the intervening decade and a half. Please stop being led. Please begin to lead. I suppose it's up to you to separate what you do want from what you don't want. The difficulty is in knowing whether what you want is native and organic to you, or programmed by the hijackers of your culture. In fact if we examine what happened to Russia after the end of the cold war, it's quite clear who the enemy is. They use words like freedom to describe murder.

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Who exactly is "You"? If you're in Stockholm then maybe you should be writing "...our way of life" instead of pointing a finger.

Every American on this board is quite aware of our consumerist culture and our corporate/military controlled government. Most of us have been fighting this shit for decades. Defending Trump who cuts funding for climate science and development of clean energy sources while increasing the military budget is just plain hypocritical.
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Re: Trump’s reported exit from Paris climate deal signals en

Postby Harvey » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:10 am

Blue » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:42 pm wrote:
Harvey » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:41 am wrote:Meanwhile, Macky has pointed toward the connection between your way of life, the one you have been acclimatised to by a century of consumerism and the parts of the awfulness which are actually visible to you. Trump as Russian hijack is a diversion almost as successful as 9/11 represented. You are collectively behaving as though you had learned nothing in the intervening decade and a half. Please stop being led. Please begin to lead. I suppose it's up to you to separate what you do want from what you don't want. The difficulty is in knowing whether what you want is native and organic to you, or programmed by the hijackers of your culture. In fact if we examine what happened to Russia after the end of the cold war, it's quite clear who the enemy is. They use words like freedom to describe murder.

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Who exactly is "You"? If you're in Stockholm then maybe you should be writing "...our way of life" instead of pointing a finger.

Every American on this board is quite aware of our consumerist culture and our corporate/military controlled government. Most of us have been fighting this shit for decades. Defending Trump who cuts funding for climate science and development of clean energy sources while increasing the military budget is just plain hypocritical.


Defending Trump would be. Attacking Trump as a Russian stooge is your establishments way of continuing with it's war economy via Trump. You are helping.

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Re: Trump’s reported exit from Paris climate deal signals en

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:30 am

no Trump is in bed with the Russian mob because he ran out of banks to lend him money so he had to go to the Russian mob/Putin and now it is payback time
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Re: Trump’s reported exit from Paris climate deal signals en

Postby Harvey » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:31 am

seemslikeadream » Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:30 pm wrote:no Trump is in bed with the Russian mob because he ran out of banks to lend him money so he had to go to the Russian mob/Putin and now it is payback time


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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:32 am

I sure will if not what would you all have to gossip about :whisper:

my ears are burning :lol:
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Re: Trump’s reported exit from Paris climate deal signals en

Postby Mulligan » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:56 am

Harvey » Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:26 pm wrote:That was Trump? On his own?



Considering 70% of the population was opposed to this, and he made a reality TV show out of "Announcing MY Decision on the Paris Accord in the Rose Garden," and this is one of the few things that a president with a huge amount of controversy and no clear agenda can do unilaterally...

Yes? Basically? It's pretty clear outside of the dripping Bannonisms in this speech that the only real reason he decided to do this was "Fuck Obama."
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Postby Rory » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:06 am

It's all horseshit virtue signalling. Empty platitudes, and now another line of attack against the great orange Emmanuel Goldstein

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Re: Trump’s reported exit from Paris climate deal signals en

Postby Rory » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:10 am

Harvey » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:41 am wrote:It's finally dawning upon me. Trump is the collective American vehicle for avoiding any and all responsibility for the present. "It isn't us, it's Trump." Which is a lot easier than doing something about it. Anyway, if you ever do escape from that trap, don't fall into the next one, "it's all our fault," because that one isn't true either.

Meanwhile, Macky has pointed toward the connection between your way of life, the one you have been acclimatised to by a century of consumerism and the parts of the awfulness which are actually visible to you. Trump as Russian hijack is a diversion almost as successful as 9/11 represented. You are collectively behaving as though you had learned nothing in the intervening decade and a half. Please stop being led. Please begin to lead. I suppose it's up to you to separate what you do want from what you don't want. The difficulty is in knowing whether what you want is native and organic to you, or programmed by the hijackers of your culture. In fact if we examine what happened to Russia after the end of the cold war, it's quite clear who the enemy is. They use words like freedom to describe murder.

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Nicely put. The delusion is staggering.

http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/ ... esistance/

Entropy never sleeps. It works remorselessly to transform things of value into useless, dissipated waste and heat. Complexity stokes it especially as the law of diminishing returns multiplies the wheels of futility spinning down to zero. Hence, the intellectual decay of American life in which spin is everything, anything goes, and nothing matters.

The latest manifestation of this dynamic is the curious movement that styles itself The Resistance, lately adopted by the grotesque handmaiden of the Deep State that the Democratic Party became in the regency of Hillary Clinton. Its mission is to undo the results of the last national election by claiming that Russia undid it. It pretends to seek the restoration of something — but what? Of dissipated power relations within the Deep State itself?

President Trump is actually taking care of that by turning government management over to his generals and the minions of Goldman Sachs. The generals are reinvesting in the strategic black hole of our military adventures overseas. The Goldman Sachs appointees are making Wall Street safe for the continued asset-stripping of the USA. The last time I checked, Hillary’s gang did not oppose either of these endeavors.

The Resistance employs cadres of useful idiots — Black Lives Matter, “undocumented” visitors, “Antifa,” the LGBTQ “community” — to pretend that it stands for social justice, but these are just straw persons fronting a gang devoted only to regaining the levers of “privilege” — which they also pretend to be against. The Resistance takes its name from the movement in World War Two France that fought the Nazi occupation, thus self-valorizing itself. But the pre-owned styling is just another victory of spin in the public relations nightmare that American political life has become.

It also begs the question: what would a real resistance look like? First, it would oppose the aforementioned asset-stripping that the US economy has become, the transfer of capital in all its forms — monetary, political, cultural, social — from the dis-employed former middle classes to the tiny, select beneficiaries of financial manipulation. Note that the things being manipulated — markets, currencies, securities, and interest rates — are increasingly phantom entities that appear to maintain their value only because the high priests of financial authority say that they do.

The shelf-life of that flim-flam approaches its endgame as it self-evidently immiserates the masses and their sheer faith in its recondite promises dwindles away to nothing. A genuine resistance would begin to deconstruct this clerisy and its institutions, namely Too Big To Fail banks and the Federal Reserve. The best opportunity to accomplish that would have been the early months of Mr. Obama’s turn in the White House, the dark time of the previous financial crash when the damage was fresh and obvious.

But the former president blew that under the influence of high priests Robert Rubin and Larry Summers. And the lower order clerics were allowed run their hoodoo machine flat out in the following eight years. Just look at the long chart of the Standard & Poors index. Tragically, this ever-upward arc is now taken to be the normal state of things, and when it fails the implosion will be orders of magnitude more violent than the last time.

One would think that a genuine resistance would also oppose the growing consolidation of power in the now-colossal spying apparatus of the nation — the often averred to “seventeen intel agencies” that show signs of being actively at war against other parts of the government and against citizens themselves. Hence, the non-stop murmur of allegation about “Russian interference in the election,” going back to the summer of 2016 without either any real evidence, or any clarification of what is actually alleged to have happened.

Another tragic turn is that this fifth column of rogue intel agencies has recruited the major organs of the news to incessantly repeat its allegations until the public accepts the story as established fact rather than just the manufactured story it so far appears to be. Well, the lives of persons and societies founder on versions of the “reality” they fabricate for their own purposes. A genuine resistance would show foremost some fidelity to a reality beyond the spin-factories of self-delusion. And it would lead in the hard work of shedding this over-burden of self-multiplying despotisms.

Maybe this Memorial Day is a good moment to question the claims of the so-called resistance, and perhaps patriotically meditate on what the nature of an authentic resistance would be to the ongoing decay of this nation while it is still possible.
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Re: Trump’s reported exit from Paris climate deal signals en

Postby Mulligan » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:13 am

Rory » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:06 am wrote:It's all horseshit virtue signalling.


"Virtue signalling" is a bullshit phrase that can be used to chant down literally any aspirational policy.
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Re: Trump’s reported exit from Paris climate deal signals en

Postby Rory » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:20 am

Mulligan » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:13 am wrote:
Rory » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:06 am wrote:It's all horseshit virtue signalling.


"Virtue signalling" is a bullshit phrase that can be used to chant down literally any aspirational policy.


"aspirational". I mean, *insert acronym signalling ebullient mirth
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Re: Trump’s reported exit from Paris climate deal signals en

Postby Mulligan » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:22 am

If 200+ signatories on an international climate agreement is "virtue signalling," that phrase has officially lost all meaning.
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Re: Trump’s reported exit from Paris climate deal signals en

Postby Rory » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:25 am

Mulligan » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:22 am wrote:If 200+ signatories on an international climate agreement is "virtue signalling," that phrase has officially lost all meaning.



You are claiming it was anything other than horseshit virtue signalling? Good for you.
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Postby Mulligan » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:35 am

It's not a claim. It's scientific consensus. 2/10 of degree is huge.

But at least when we see more and more food riots on island nations the inhabitants can rest easy knowing that SOMEONE out there was smart enough not to "virtue signal."
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