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Postby The Consul » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:55 pm

Below is an article from a while back in FT re Magnitsky. If someone has already posted I'll remove.

Since Magnitsky act is referred to as first shot in the new Cold War, it might warrant deeper review than it's been given. It seems to be at the heart of the Anti-Russia movement. Browder & Hermitage Capital is a very strange story.

Nothing is as it appears and any "reports" are leveraged by the objectives of billionaires on three continents.

That Browder kept the film from being shown in US is disturbing. Yet the film maker Nekrasov has said he is losing sleep because Putinistas are using it for propaganda purposes (and he is anti-Putin). Something wicked this way comes.

https://www.ft.com/content/1eb38914-2ca ... 6ab29e3c95
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Postby Rory » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:43 pm

Great article here that explores Browder and his pet propagandists
https://pando.com/2015/05/17/neocons-2- ... merantsev/

When you see who he is, and what motivates his revenge, you get the impression the whole contrived anti-russian hysteria is akin to the Peter Thiel - Gawker saga, with #TheResistance™, playing the role of Hulk Hogan
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Postby Grizzly » Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:52 pm



The Ol' Gipper... I mean this old fuck...
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Postby SonicG » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:20 pm

He's (nearly) dead Jim...

I plan to dedicate the time to look into Magnitsky (even your link Rory!). Interesting that Browder's grandfather was the head of the USCP...But it seems rather obvious that Putin retaliated with the odd move of blocking adoptions to provide cover..."Hey we were just talking about adoptions..."

It seems that Trump has scored some victories in stopping the CIA program to arm "opposition" in Syria and caving on Iran nuclear sanctions. Putting aside whether Trump is appeasing or merely "working towards a better relationship with a major nuclear power", softening on Iran and Syria under Russian guidance is going to piss off Israel...
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Postby Grizzly » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:23 am

one big chan LARPing?

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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:42 am

Laurence Tribe‏Verified account
@tribelaw

Threatening to fire Mueller if M looks into Junior's or Kushner's finances is a dead giveaway that the jig is up:


Citing Recusal, Trump Says He Wouldn’t Have Hired Sessions

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/p ... hone-share

It was Deutsche Bank

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/busi ... utiny.html


Laurence Tribe‏Verified account @tribelaw 5h5 hours ago

The whole campaign is starting to look like an effort by PM and DJT to get laundered Kremlin cash to pay off debt!


Manafort Was in Debt to Pro-Russia Interests, Cyprus Records Show
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/us/p ... hone-share

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Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
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Postby Project Willow » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:48 am

Heaven Swan » 18 Jul 2017 05:37 wrote:On R.I. I'm relentlessly hearing that the mainstream media is waging a crusade against Russia and ignoring home-grown election problems like gerrymandering, etc.

I don't buy this reasoning for two reasons-- 1) I'm constantly hearing reporting on NPR and quite a bit in the New York Times about domestic election tampering. If you add Democracy Now! (Amy Goodmans' program) the chorus is deafening.


No, it isn't. Election fraud has barely surpassed a whisper on those outlets. To quote a war criminal, there are unknown unknowns, IOW, you don't know what you don't know.

Visit this thread and tell me if your National Propaganda Radio, or NYT has covered any of this. http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39780&hilit=election+fraud#p598151

That's just from last year. It doesn't cover the previous 17 years of documented voter roll, major media, social media, and voting machine manipulation and hacking. The process is completely controlled.
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Postby IanEye » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:08 am

Q: Is Donald Trump a made man?




A: You decide.




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Postby SonicG » Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:15 am

Just a wanna-be G...easily manipulated like a little...rich kid...Always looking for Daddy's approval so of course he resorted to laundering the money of others...Like most rich people, he's a lazy spoiled fuck...
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Postby JojoCivil » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:36 pm

basically!!! bankrupt donnie went to bed with the mob and got into casinos etc... mob is in with russians cia etc... cia russian mob connects helped put in the yeltsin putin gangs so the nwo is shaping up nicely mobs and spies taking care of vested interests running in the background. which shores do the lapping waves of corruption wet? to paraphrase Christopher Caudwell author of Illusion and Reality and fine socialist tracts, "all obfuscation serves the counter revolution" the layers of corruption are intrinsic, escaped only by enlightened love which puts up a notoriously poor fight against organized psychos... keep up the good fight, stand firm, party on, and be excellent to each other

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Postby Elvis » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:59 am

JojoCivil wrote:"all obfuscation serves the counter revolution" the layers of corruption are intrinsic, escaped only by enlightened love which puts up a notoriously poor fight against organized psychos... keep up the good fight, stand firm, party on, and be excellent to each other


This works for me. As part of a healthy regimen. Your words make me feel better, anyway. :thumbsup
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Postby Heaven Swan » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:56 am

Project Willow » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:48 am wrote:
Heaven Swan » 18 Jul 2017 05:37 wrote:On R.I. I'm relentlessly hearing that the mainstream media is waging a crusade against Russia and ignoring home-grown election problems like gerrymandering, etc.

I don't buy this reasoning for two reasons-- 1) I'm constantly hearing reporting on NPR and quite a bit in the New York Times about domestic election tampering. If you add Democracy Now! (Amy Goodmans' program) the chorus is deafening.


No, it isn't. Election fraud has barely surpassed a whisper on those outlets. To quote a war criminal, there are unknown unknowns, IOW, you don't know what you don't know.

Visit this thread and tell me if your National Propaganda Radio, or NYT has covered any of this. http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39780&hilit=election+fraud#p598151

That's just from last year. It doesn't cover the previous 17 years of documented voter roll, major media, social media, and voting machine manipulation and hacking. The process is completely controlled.


I just did a search on 'voter suppression" on the NYTimes site (15 pages of results) and NPR (150 results). Democracy Now! may not be mainstream media but they do thick coverage of this issue. If you go to "Guns and Butter" on KPFA, Bonnie Faulkner has aired deep investigations into election and voting machine fraud.

I do agree that the voting process is manipulated and controlled in various ways. I just don't agree that citizens don't have access to information about it. They may have to dig, like come here to RI or other alternative outlets.

Right now the coverage of Trump collusion with Russia is widespread, and it should be.

American propaganda and mind molding through the media is more subtle than North Korea's for example. How about all those movies with villains that looked like Putin? That was clearly propagandistic, but it doesn't mean that I want Putin whispering in the ear of, or financially melded with our president.
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Postby SonicG » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:05 am

I read the Mark Ames piece that Rory shared...Exile main dude, so definitely respect his insights, and he is definitely HC against the oligarchs...This is an interesting piece about the Russian Oligarchs creeping into the US. I am all for exposing the whole rotten mess.
https://pando.com/2016/03/11/oligarchiya-usa/
Alfa Bank is now connected with US voting machines...
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Postby conniption » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:14 pm

RT

As Harvard academics prove, the truth doesn’t matter when you are bashing Russia

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Bryan MacDonald
Bryan MacDonald is an Irish journalist, who is based in Russia

Published time: 27 Jul, 2017

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Two Harvard University academics have seen dreadfully incorrect Russia-related tweets recently go viral. The fact neither has deleted their falsehoods sums up the low standards when it comes to the Western assessment of all things Russian.

In the information space, a lot of stuff goes out the window when it comes to Russia. Like ethics, decency, fairness, and facts. It’s hard to recall a single incidence of a journalist, official or academic losing a position for being hopelessly wrong about the country.

That’s why you end up with TV networks offering people who’ve never set foot in Moscow as “Russia experts,” magazines presenting opposition figures on two percent in the polls as serious contenders for the presidency and outlets alleging Vladimir Putin is dating Wendy Deng.

It also explains how pundits can claim Russia is about to collapse and then a few months later, insist the Kremlin is about to invade another country. And why analysts who set exact time frames for these incursions, and are proven wrong, fall upwards rather than downwards subsequently. Because anything goes when it comes to Russia and fueling the hysteria is more important than telling the truth.

That said, at least in the “respectable media” you might get the odd correction. Such as when The Washington Post was forced to backtrack on spurious reports Moscow had hacked Vermont’s electrical grid, or when the same paper was compelled to issue a correction after falsely accusing RT of using automated bots to circulate articles.

However, on social media, not only do “experts” not apologize, they rarely even delete their erroneous posts. Probably because of the huge exposure they can receive from the thousands of shares and retweets to be gained from crookedly smearing Russia. And to hell with the consequences of the animosity, enmity, and venom they generate.

Tribal Instinct

A classic case in point emerged this Thursday morning (Moscow Time) when a Harvard University professor named Robert Tribe, tweeted the following: “DOJ (Department of Justice) is pursuing Dmitri Firtash, Russian mobster linked to. . wait for it: (former Trump campaign aide, Paul) Manafort. But T (Trump) named lawyer for Russian bank to head Crim(inal) Div(ision)!”

Laurence Tribe

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DOJ is pursuing Dmitri Firtash, Russian mobster linked to . . wait for it: Manafort. But T named lawyer for Russian bank to head Crim Div!
18:12 - 26 июл. 2017 г.

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And at the time of writing, this brainfart had earned over 4,000 retweets, which have surely multiplied since.

But, you guessed it, the tweet is deceptive, deceitful and specious, whether by accident or design. Because the “Russian mobster” mentioned, Dmitry Firtash is actually a Ukrainian oligarch. A man who amassed much of his fortune during the Presidency of Viktor Yushchenko, the pro-Western leader installed after the 2004 “Orange Revolution.” In addition, Firtash served in a number of government positions during the administration, including as Chair of the National Tripartite Social and Economic Council.

Firtash was born in Ukraine and holds Ukrainian citizenship. And, while he may very well be a “mobster,” he’s not Russian. And, as the Western media never tires of emphasizing, Ukraine and Russia are not the same country and haven’t been joined since 1991.

Dozens of people have pointed out Tribe’s mistake. And the writer has surely noticed because he’s posted since, but this falsehood still sits on his page, proud as a peacock. All the while being shared all around the Twittersphere, as its author betrays no sense of remorse or embarrassment.

Nothing Is Real

Nevertheless, to be fair to Tribe, he’s only a baby faker compared to his Harvard colleague Yascha Mounk. A man who professes to “defend liberal democracy against the illiberal international.” And also makes up the odd bogus online statement about Russia.

A couple of weeks ago Mounk reported on Twitter: “Need a reminder of the human cost of dictatorship? All these are journalists who criticized Putin--and died under mysterious circumstances.” But the problem with his statement was quickly evident to anyone with a basic knowledge of Russia.

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Because the image used to illustrate the tweet of 'journalists killed by Putin' was actually one of all Russian journalists killed, anywhere, since 1991. And, what's more, most of them passed away under the West-endorsed presidency of Boris Yeltsin. With many of those featured having been war correspondents, who sadly met their ends in conflict zones. Indeed, while journalism often remains perilous in today’s Russia, the fact is things were far more dangerous during the “liberal democratic” Yeltsin years. The pattern is being repeated right now in Ukraine, where violence against journalists has risen dramatically since the 2014 Maidan installed a US-backed regime.

Again, despite numerous folk informing Mounk of his tweet’s inaccuracy, he hasn’t deleted it. So, It continues to strut across Twitter, with 55,000 retweets and counting. Each one of them spreading the disinformation to a new audience.

Harvard University’s 2016-17 fees amount to “$43,280 for tuition and $63,025 for tuition, room, board, and fees combined,” according to its website. Now, for that kind of cash you'd expect teachers and researchers of the highest caliber, dedicated to rigorous fact-checking and earnestly devoted to accuracy.

But Mounk and Tribe, at least when it comes to Russia, don’t seem to care about such basic standards. Don't expect either to suffer sanction. Because, after all, anything goes these days once the subject matter is Russian.
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Re: As Anti-Trump / Anti-Russia Campaign Fails ...

Postby tapitsbo » Thu Jul 27, 2017 6:48 pm

Heaven Swan » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:56 am wrote:
American propaganda and mind molding through the media is more subtle than North Korea's for example. How about all those movies with villains that looked like Putin? That was clearly propagandistic, but it doesn't mean that I want Putin whispering in the ear of, or financially melded with our president.


Hard to take the Russia "allegations" seriously given the lack of concern in the press for other countries whispering in the ear of and financially melded to Washington (who donates to politicians and who receives federal aid?) - and the glut of think tank publications that clearly spell out the intention of (once again) taking a wrecking ball to Russia
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