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Re: VICE as RI subject

Postby Jerky » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:42 pm

Nathan Barley was (and is still) absolute GENIUS.

I've always been suspicious of VICE, having had some limited interaction with some of the individuals involved in the Toronto branch. It always had that negative shitty cocaine vibe to it. You could always sniff the burning plastic stink of fascism wafting from its pages.

I would be sad to lose Buzzfeed though. They've been putting out some very good investigative stuff over the last couple of years. Very interesting evolution of an online media outlet.

Heaven Swan, you're surprising me with some of the stuff you choose to point out here (celebrate?) lately. Are you a closet right-winger, perhaps? Or is the horseshoe theory in full effect here? :-P

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Re: VICE as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:33 am

Lest it be forgotten, Michael Hastings had moved to Buzzfeed shortly before his death.

Jerky » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:42 pm wrote:Nathan Barley was (and is still) absolute GENIUS.

I've always been suspicious of VICE, having had some limited interaction with some of the individuals involved in the Toronto branch. It always had that negative shitty cocaine vibe to it. You could always sniff the burning plastic stink of fascism wafting from its pages.

I would be sad to lose Buzzfeed though. They've been putting out some very good investigative stuff over the last couple of years. Very interesting evolution of an online media outlet.

Heaven Swan, you're surprising me with some of the stuff you choose to point out here (celebrate?) lately. Are you a closet right-winger, perhaps? Or is the horseshoe theory in full effect here? :-P

Yours,
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Re: VICE as RI subject

Postby Heaven Swan » Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:51 am

Jerky wrote:

Snip...Heaven Swan, you're surprising me with some of the stuff you choose to point out here (celebrate?) lately. Are you a closet right-winger, perhaps? Or is the horseshoe theory in full effect here? :-P

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Could you be more specific?
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Re: VICE as RI subject

Postby Jerky » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:08 am

Did you watch that video you posted about the "total collapse of FAR LEFT MEDIA" (that so-called far left media consisting of the totally NOT far left Buzzfeed and Vice, which could only fairly be called far left if by far left the videomakers mean to say, NOT FAR RIGHT enough for their taste)?
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Re: VICE as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:12 pm

I'm probably just tired but this evening I'm willing to entertain a long-con psy-op. From Vice Dos and Don't as staging ground for cultural programming to ironic paramilitary guard for bizarre postmodern coup attempt. On some sleep, I'll probably remember 2020 is just a string of horror signifiers randomly assembled and coincidence is no less threatening than intent. But ffs this is a weird trajectory for Gavin et al.

Trump mentioned the Proud Boys, but who are they?
“Proud Boys, stand back and stand by,” President Donald Trump said at Tuesday’s presidential debate when asked if he would condemn white supremacists groups.

By Jeff Parrott Sep 30, 2020, 2:50pm MDT

SALT LAKE CITY — Who are the Proud Boys?

During Tuesday’s first presidential debate of 2020, moderator Chris Wallace, a Fox News host, asked President Donald Trump if he was willing to condemn white supremacist and militia groups and ask them to “stand down and not add to violence” in cities experiencing protests.

The president asked Wallace what he should call such groups and Democratic nominee Joe Biden suggested the Proud Boys.

“Proud Boys, stand back and stand by,” Trump said. “But I’ll tell you what, somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left.”

Who are the Proud Boys?

The Proud Boys have defined themselves as “western chauvinists” — as in the perspective of caucasian global west, not the western United States.

“We are a fraternal organization like the Elks Lodge. One-hundred percent of us are Western chauvinists which simply means we all believe the West is the Best,” wrote founder Gavin McInnes in 2017.

“Politically, a good 98% of us love Trump but that is not a requirement,” he added.

Although the Proud Boys insist they are “essentially a drinking club dedicated to male bonding, socializing and the celebration all things related to western culture,” the Anti-defamation League writes, they “bear many hallmarks of a gang.” This includes participating in violent behavior.

When did they begin?

The “men’s organization” was founded by McInnes in 2016, according to the website Proud Boy Magazine. McInnes, who says he left the group two years later, was living in New York City at the time.

McInnes was born in England, but grew up in Canada, The New York Times reported. He later founded Montreal-based magazine Vice and moved to Brooklyn, New York, before starting the Proud Boys.

What are their values?

The Proud Boys say their values are similar to modern conservative ideas like “minimal government,” “maximum freedom” and are pro-First and Second Amendment.

On their magazine’s website, they write that they are also anti-drug war, anti-racism, support closed borders and “glorifying the entrepreneur.”

They also claim to stand up for “anti-racial guilt,” “venerating the housewife,” and “reinstating a spirit of Western chauvinism.”

But contradictory values like western chauvinism and anti-racism are difficult to rectify.

Are they violent?

McInness has said the Proud Boys are not a violent organization, but their actions have said otherwise. “We don’t start fights but we will finish them,” he wrote on the magazine’s website.

The Proud Boys have participated in protest and counter-protests during public outcry of police brutality and anti-facism the past several years. On Wednesday in Oregon, Portland police arrested a man who identified as a Proud Boy member for allegedly pointing a handgun at protesters during an August rally, Oregon Public Broadcasting reported.

The Proud Boy was charged and is being held on “multiple assault charges, pointing a firearm at another, unlawful use of a weapon and unlawful use of tear gas, stun gun or mace,” according to the news report.

Digging deeper into their founder’s digital radio show and the actions of the group, the Proud Boys have represented startling positions.

“We will kill you. That’s the Proud Boys in a nutshell. We will kill you,” he said on “The Gavin McInnes Show” in the summer of 2016, according to the Right Wing Watch.

In 2018, McInnes acted out the 1960 political assassination of a Japanese Socialist Party leader at Proud Boys gathering in the Manhattan’s New York Metropolitan Republican Club, reported New York publication Bedford + Bowery. A fight broke out after the speech between protesters and Proud Boys members.

At the time, McInnes said he was “dissociating myself from the Proud Boys” after 10 members faced criminal charges for the violent confrontation in New York, ABC News reported.

“I quit,” he said. “I’m told by my legal team and law enforcement that this gesture will help alleviate their sentencing.”

Two Proud Boys members were later convicted of “attempted gang assault, attempted assault and riot,” The New York Times reported.

Proud Boy members have also sold T-shirts that said “Pinochet did nothing wrong” — referring to the Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet who tortured and killed thousands of political enemies — and chanted similar calls at Trump rallies in 2019.

Proud Boys revel in Trump’s debate nod

The president did not directly condemn white supremacist organizations Tuesday evening, and the Proud Boys noticed.

Members of the group immediately began making memes of the president wearing Proud Boy affiliated attire and posting them to the web, The Washington Post reported.

The group also said they were seeing a spike in “new recruits,” according to The New York Times.

The Trump campaign spokesman said the president has “repeatedly, over the course of years now, denounced white supremacists and has been consistent in doing that,” according to Fox News.

Speaking to reporters Wednesday, the president said he “didn’t know who the Proud Boys are,” Axios reported.

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Re: VICE as RI subject

Postby SonicG » Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:37 pm

Western Culture = Breakfast Cereals and No Self-Love
Per se notum!

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Re: VICE as RI subject

Postby kelley » Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:59 am

"I'm probably just tired but this evening I'm willing to entertain a long-con psy-op. From Vice Dos and Don't as staging ground for cultural programming to ironic paramilitary guard for bizarre postmodern coup attempt. On some sleep, I'll probably remember 2020 is just a string of horror signifiers randomly assembled and coincidence is no less threatening than intent. But ffs this is a weird trajectory for Gavin et al."

Dear Oyster

This is an intriguing thought and not as weird as it might appear

I watched Vice go from proto-influencer to badass tastemaker to incipient media empire (and saying this all somewhat tongue-in-cheek) from the time of its appearance in Brooklyn to the moment when the influence of Gavin, Pearson, McGinley, et al were shown the door

The magazine was one of the primary catalysts which made Wiliamsburg safe for suburban white kids which in turn drove the following gentrification and allowed for zoning which transformed north Brooklyn from a grim lowrise nabe into the vile luxury playground it is today

The politics involved needed some finessing and the first-wave hipsters implicated in this social reorganization literally built the foundation for an entire edifice of oblivious millenial entitlement

If anything it was Gavin as the OG apprentice who cut his teeth on shaping the behaviors seen everywhere in the borough today

President McInnes? Also perhaps not such a weird idea even though he's not an American

Besides

He's more the Bannon type

McInnes is enough a media genius of some type who runs rings around the boomer idiocy of Trump and the limited stupidity of tee-vee conditioning


* * * *

and

at the risk of obviousness etc

there are similarities to be noted with beer-swilling homoerotic paramilitary incel agitation in 1920 and in 2020
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Re: VICE as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:09 pm

I agree Kelley. I had sort of forgotten about this thread but I suppose what you say is basically laid out in my own mind some time ago so I guess I do intuit something similar to what you describe. Part of what strikes me is how, at the peak of Gavin's VICE influence, he was really experimenting with using their influence to program a generation of youth to revel in dehumanization and scapegoating. I should add that he was really good at it - I laughed, even if I did puzzle over just what was going on.

And I think your last comment there is a sharp one, not necessarily so obvious to many.
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Re: VICE as RI subject

Postby liminalOyster » Fri May 05, 2023 8:54 pm

Soros And Fortress To Acquire Vice Media Out Of Bankruptcy

BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, MAY 05, 2023 - 08:20 AM

Vice Media, which once had a valuation of $5.7 billion, went woke and is now broke, is set to be acquired out of bankruptcy at a valuation of around $400 million by Fortress Investment Group and Soros Fund Management, according to The Wall Street Journal, citing people familiar with the matter.

Full story here (Zero Hedge, yes).
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