Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:07 pm

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Conrade moved away from the windows as the bullets rained. He went to his bedroom and always kept something between himself and the glass. He stood and he sat. He used an app on his phone to listen to law enforcement chatter, he told The Star and KWCH 12. At some point, he decided to poke his head into the hallway, where he saw four or five armed officers, one of whom demanded he return to his room. He did. He sat and waited. Given the darkness and his high vantage point, he couldn’t make out details on the ground, the few times he moved toward the window.

Most of the time he stayed away from the window. He heard officers over the radio announce the gunman’s room number. It was one digit off from his: 31-134 and adjoining room 135.

Stephen Paddock, the shooter, was in 32-134 and adjoining room 135. Conrade felt safe through it all because of the concrete between him and a mass murderer.

The explosion above that signified officers breaching Paddock’s room startled Conrade more than the gunfire did. The gunfire was surprisingly quiet from within his room. The footsteps of investigators combing the room seemed loud. Glass crunched beneath their feet. The footfalls padded across his ceiling through the night. Conrade could tell their probe was intent, thorough.

He didn’t sleep much that night. By 1:30 a.m. things seemed to have wound down. At about 4 a.m., a SWAT team came through his room. When daybreak hit, and he could see the debris and the first responders and what he thought were body bags on the ground, the havoc from the night before took on a surreal quality.

Days have passed, and he’s still in that room. Business calls. He’ll fly home Friday, back to his large family, including six children. He never considered trying to change rooms. He considers the shooting a freak event, something that could happen anywhere. And there was no damage to his room, so why leave it?


Probably nothing. But you think that hundreds of 160 decibel shots coming from directly above you are fireworks? That's some great soundproofing they have at the Mandalay Bay!: https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserRev ... evada.html

And you have an app on your phone to listen to the cops, but you don't mention calling the cops or even the front desk to tell them the shooter is exactly one floor above you? And you stay "safe" in your room except to poke your head out when you hear armed people coming? It's all just a bit surreal.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:08 pm

82_28 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:34 pm wrote:The Daily Beast reported Wednesday that Jesus Campos, a security guard at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, was the first person to locate where the intense gunfire was coming from Sunday evening. Upon locating Paddock’s hotel room, Campos was shot in the right leg through the door. He reportedly radioed for assistance, and armed officers rushed to the floor, exchanging in gunfire with the 64-year-old Paddock. When officers finally breached the hotel room door, they say they discovered Paddock dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. It was the deadliest mass shooting in American history.


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Great find, 82_28. So, if in fact "armed officers rushed to the floor, exchanging in gunfire with the 64-year-old Paddock" then how do they know for certain that the gunshot wound Paddock died from was self-inflicted without performing an autopsy?!
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Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:12 pm

There is a shocking picture of the concert area after the shooting covered by debris and bodies at the following link. Not a pleasant but an extremely graphic sight.

WARNING before clicking on link.

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/omd/
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Brentos » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:14 pm

Initial eyewitness/victim report that completely contradicts the lone gunman narrative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rArn0pk1H7Q

Reminds me of the Scalise shooting, that I saw live where initial reports (more than 1 shooter) varied widely from the final narrative.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:22 pm

Paddock may have been on a benzo, valium. Benzos can be very nasty drugs and also alleviate any anxiety. For example, intraveneous Ativan is what is often given to surgery patients for that "I don't give a fuck what is happening to me" feeling before general anesthesia drugs.

What is diazepam? Uses for anti-anxiety med reportedly prescribed to Las Vegas gunman

A report alleges that Stephen Paddock, the gunman who opened fire on a packed country music concert in Las Vegas on Sunday, was prescribed an anti-anxiety medication in the months leading up to his attack. According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Paddock was prescribed 50, 10-milligram diazepam tablets, and was instructed to take one pill daily, although it is not clear if he had been taking them regularly.

The drug, marketed as Valium, is part of a class of medication known as anxiolytic and sedative, which are commonly referred to as benzodiazepines, Scott Dehorty, LCSW-C, executive director at Maryland House Detox, Delphi Behavioral Health, told Fox News by email. Citing the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program, the Las Vegas Review-Journal identified Dr. Steven Winkler as the prescribing physician, but he was not made available for comment.

WHAT IS IT PRESCRIBED FOR?

Dehorty said diazepam can be used to treat a range of symptoms, including anxiety disorders, muscle spasms and alcohol withdrawal-related seizures. He said the specific use of the medication is dependent on the doses administered.

HOW DOES IT WORK?

When administered correctly, diazepam works to enhance the effects of GABA, a neurotransmitter found in the neurons of the cortex in the brain that helps to reduce stress and anxiety. GABA also contributes to motor control, vision and other cortical functions.

POTENTIAL SIDE EFFECTS?

Dehorty described diazepam as a “highly addictive medication, which can have paradoxical effects.” He cautioned that continued use of the medication could cause patients to suffer from symptoms they initially sought relief from. Additional side effects may include confusion, dependence, drowsiness, weakness, insomnia, anxiety and headaches.

“It is also very dangerous to discontinue using benzodiazepines without consulting a physician,” Dehorty said. “The discontinuation effects can be fatal.”

He added that benzodiazepine abuse has shown a continued rise in recent years.

Paddock died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound before police stormed his hotel room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay. More than 59 Route 91 Harvest Festival attendees were killed and over 500 more injured in the 11-minute attack. 
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:23 pm

stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:08 pm wrote:So, if in fact "armed officers rushed to the floor, exchanging in gunfire with the 64-year-old Paddock" then how do they know for certain that the gunshot wound Paddock died from was self-inflicted without performing an autopsy?!


Well, that's an obvious one. Night of incident, media spoke of "engaged" and neutralized and stopped short of saying the cops offed him but pretty much said so. Next morning, report is he shot himself. Whatever the truth of it, that story's never going to change now.

But it puts the kibosh on the scenario of alternate shooters ambushing Paddock, committing the crime, then slipping out unnoticed before the cops arrive and find a dead Paddock. Doesn't it now? Unless the very same hotel security guys including the shot one are in on it?

That shot security guard would be a hell of a moving part in an alternate scenario. When I speak of moving parts here, I'm not calling "Occam's" or any of that. Complex explanations are often equally or more plausible than simple ones. But I don't see that here. When I speak of "moving parts," I also mean from the perspective of your presumed real perpetrators. They'd be the ones who'd want the most simplicity.

And you have an app on your phone to listen to the cops, but you don't mention calling the cops or even the front desk to tell them the shooter is exactly one floor above you? And you stay "safe" in your room except to poke your head out when you hear armed people coming? It's all just a bit surreal.


Two possibilities, among others:
- bad and incomplete reporting or editing leaves out whether he made 911 call.
- evidence for widespread incidence of apathetic and me-first attitude in the world. (Not a plurality, necessarily, but widespread.)
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:32 pm

JackRiddler » 05 Oct 2017 00:03 wrote:
Hey, hey, no need for that, brother. And my bias would hardly be that. It would be that I'd be looking at a rich white guy with no sense of life in the world outside his bubble and at least mild contempt for it.

Now the stuff you posted about how he would act if he and his bro were involved in spookery or other dirt is an interesting line of speculative argument. Why you think it conflicts with what I say, though?


All I am saying is that the logical stance is to be agnostic, even if you feel God's existing or not existing has fewer moving parts. Senseless shooting sprees have happened. And Gladio has also happened. I am more inclined to question the former than the latter simply because I wax nostalgic for the quaint idea that we should require some evidence to be presented before we immediately convict corpses of mass murder. Whose agenda does it serve if not one of us requires any glimpse of the reams of evidence that must surely exist if Paddock is guilty before we express "zero doubt" that he alone is guilty of these murders?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:45 pm

Sin City’s Conspiracy of Silence: Gunman Being Exorcised From Las Vegas History

The Daily Beast
Justin Glawe
8 hrs ago

LAS VEGAS — There isn’t a dark spot in this town, says Joe, a bartender at Circus Circus. Not a single square foot that isn’t covered by a camera. Security guards walk by like clockwork everywhere. Police are an eternal presence on the Strip.

And the cameras that follow every roll of the dice, every minor bet with some man or woman’s last dollar or Yen—from Toledo or Tokyo—is followed by the eyes of whomever is employed by the casinos to be watched. Those same eyes watch most carefully on “the whales,” the men like Stephen Paddock who make a living or a retirement out of gambling their hours away in a city of forever-night.

“Cameras are on guys like him all the time, because his money actually matters,” said Joe, who asked The Daily Beast not to use his real name over concern of retribution from his employers. “Our money doesn’t.”

Since Sunday night, reporters from around the country have been scouring the casinos, hotels and bars of Vegas trying to find anyone who knew anything about Paddock, who for now is the most lethal mass killer in American history. As of late Tuesday— a full 48 hours after Paddock’s rampage—not a bartender, a dealer, a clerk, a host, a bellhop had come forward to say they remembered anything about Paddock, a denizen of Vegas casinos, let alone even that they knew him.

That’s not at all surprising to Joe.

“Everything about this town is hush hush,” he said. “The city's reaction is something that we're used to. We're used to properties hush-hushing incidents that happen on their property.”

The hushing was drowned out by screams from craps tables on Tuesday night, and the constant dinging of thousands of slot machines across the city that rang with the sound of business as usual.

“In any other city, would it be like this?” Joe asked.

On Monday night it wasn’t, according to Martin Malmberg and Mike Briggs, devout Christians who stood on a bridge over the Strip for hours offering free prayers to any takers. A couple who survived the shooting approached and recounted their ordeal the night before: crawling to get away from Paddock’s bullets, hoping they would make it out of there with their lives.

“I just offered them prayers of hope. If that can happen,” Briggs said, looking toward Mandalay Bay, the hotel from which Paddock fired, “then there has to be something so much more glorious waiting for all of us.”

Just north of Briggs and Malmberg, a far different service was being offered. Outside of a CVS, Joe Mortell promoted some of the usual activities for Las Vegas, among them, the opportunity to fire a .50 caliber machine gun.

"For better or worse people have their vacations booked, and they're still looking for stuff to do," Mortell said.

Like most other business, gun ranges in Las Vegas carried on despite the shooting. At Strip Gun Club, a trio of men shot at paper targets just before 7 p.m. Tuesday. A spotless, shining .50 caliber machine gun sat on the counter, welcoming anyone who entered the front door. Behind the counter, AR-15s and other assault rifles were on display for those willing to spend about $100 to enter the range and start shooting.

“We’ve been inundated with media requests, and we’ve just decided to not provide any statements at this time,” said Nicholas Roop, the general manager. “We’re focused more on helping the community in any way we can than making statements to the media.”

Back at Circus Circus, Joe recalled that had planned to work the concert that Paddock targeted but ended up having a scheduling conflict. Several of his friends in the service industry did work the event, leaving it with stories of running over fences, fleeing for their lives. One of them didn’t make it.

Hundreds of questions remain. How, in this town of constant surveillance, did Paddock set up a camera on a room service cart in a hallway that must have been monitored by security cameras, Joe wonders. How was there no alarm that went off the second Paddock smashed the glass in his hotel room? How is it that we’re already resuming normal operations here?

“I heard they were working last night at Mandalay Bay,” Joe said. Indeed, they were. An employee of a restaurant inside the hotel told The Daily Beast that business resumed at 6 p.m. Monday. The Associated Press is renting a suite in the hotel.

And then there is the why? In this case, there may never be a proven motive, which is always a troubling proposition for people. Without a defined explanation, it is difficult for many to make sense of such a senseless event. But that search for a motive and its possible discovery may be nothing more than a comforting distraction that allows us to avoid the reality of the issues we must face. Mental health, access to guns, the inherently violent nature of America and what it breeds in all of us.

Many things about Las Vegas—many of the things it advertises as its redeeming qualities to the outside world—are not real. It is a place of fantasy, excess and abandon. The city’s slogan is, What Happens Here, Stays Here.

The reality is much more grim.

“You hear stories about people OD’ing and being kept alive just long enough so that they don’t die on a property, so that the property doesn’t have to tell the press that something bad happened there,” Joe says. “You never hear about anything bad happening in Las Vegas. How is that possible?”
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:50 pm

JackRiddler » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:23 pm wrote:
stillrobertpaulsen » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:08 pm wrote:So, if in fact "armed officers rushed to the floor, exchanging in gunfire with the 64-year-old Paddock" then how do they know for certain that the gunshot wound Paddock died from was self-inflicted without performing an autopsy?!


Well, that's an obvious one. Night of incident, media spoke of "engaged" and neutralized and stopped short of saying the cops offed him but pretty much said so. Next morning, report is he shot himself. Whatever the truth of it, that story's never going to change now.

But it puts the kibosh on the scenario of alternate shooters ambushing Paddock, committing the crime, then slipping out unnoticed before the cops arrive and find a dead Paddock. Doesn't it now? Unless the very same hotel security guys including the shot one are in on it?


It would put the kibosh on that scenario, which I don't subscribe to. Doesn't necessarily put the kibosh on a second shooter from another floor, which I'm still on the fence about.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:57 pm

stickdog99 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:32 pm wrote:
JackRiddler » 05 Oct 2017 00:03 wrote:
Hey, hey, no need for that, brother. And my bias would hardly be that. It would be that I'd be looking at a rich white guy with no sense of life in the world outside his bubble and at least mild contempt for it.

Now the stuff you posted about how he would act if he and his bro were involved in spookery or other dirt is an interesting line of speculative argument. Why you think it conflicts with what I say, though?


All I am saying is that the logical stance is to be agnostic, even if you feel God's existing or not existing has fewer moving parts. Senseless shooting sprees have happened. And Gladio has also happened. I am more inclined to question the former than the latter simply because I wax nostalgic for the quaint idea that we should require some evidence to be presented before we immediately convict corpses of mass murder. Whose agenda does it serve if not one of us requires any glimpse of the reams of evidence that must surely exist if Paddock is guilty before we express "zero doubt" that he alone is guilty of these murders?


I have "zero doubt" about almost zero in the world.

If this is Gladio, whom is it serving? Gladio ops generally involved false flagging. Not to a random gambler with planes and a possible spook background, but to political targets to defame and discredit. So what's the political thinking here?

Actual headline to Tom Friedman column: "If Only Stephen Paddock Were a Muslim." Such a shame, we could have been bombing places Friedman wants to bomb! Anyone from the Jones trinity of Muslims, Brown People & Leftists would have led to immediate political consequences, so that would suggest a false flag motive.

You think the constant escalation of police and natsec budgets and general acceptance of the surveillance and security state needs more lubrication of this kind today? It's all already swimming along, from that perspective.

And again, who's the specific perp group going to be?

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Postby JackRiddler » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:02 pm

Tonight's LV press conference:
- explosives in cars.
- long shootout in hall, 200 shots fired. speculation he wanted to escape and set off bombs.
- police currently inclined not to think he planned this alone and searching possible co-conspirators.
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Postby 82_28 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:07 pm

Australian mainstream media seems to be telling a slightly different story than anything I have seen so far in the US.

A CLUE has emerged in the Las Vegas mass shooting investigation indicating Stephen Paddock wasn’t alone as he plotted his massacre.

BEFORE he unleashed his deadly massacre from broken windows on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel, Stephen Paddock spent time in another hotel nearby.

Police in Las Vegas gave an update to media today and revealed that the 62-year-old killer rented a room at The Ogden the previous weekend.

He rented it via the website AirBNB and it’s not known the purpose of his visit, although authorities collected “evidence” from the scene.

The stay coincided with the annual Life Is Beautiful music festival, which was headlined by artists Lorde and Chance the Rapper and drew some 50,000 people for each of its three days.

A timeline of Paddock’s shooting spree, which killed 58 people and injured 489 others, was presented to the press and the “appearance of an undue delay” was explained.

Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of Clark County said the first shot was fired at 10.05pm local time and a SWAT team blew into Paddock’s room at 11.20pm.

That’s despite the first officers reaching level 31, just beneath Paddock, at 10.12pm — just seven minutes after the mayhem began.

Sheriff Lombardo said a hotel security guard was shot when the killer fired through his hotel door.

When officers reached the hallway outside the room, they spotted a surveillance camera in place on a room service trolley outside Paddock’s door.

They could also see inside through the bullet damage and spotted a high-powered firearm and “pulled back and waited for the approach of a full SWAT team”, Sheriff Lombardo said.

He also said further analysis of Paddock’s car, which was in the garage of the Mandalay Bay Hotel, unveiled some 1600 rounds of ammunition and additional bomb-making material.

The new information comes as questions were being asked about whether the shooter was really alone in his hotel suite as originally thought.

A receipt for room service has emerged showing a hefty food order and a note indicating there were two guests inside.

The potential clue was uploaded to Facebook by a man named Tony Hernandez Armenta but later deleted. It indicates two guests ordered an assortment of items including a burger, bagel, soups and soft drink.

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The receipt said that the meal was for two, but it’s unclear if there actually was another person in the room.

Police previously said that Paddock had also used his girlfriend’s identification when he checked in, which could account for the fact two people were thought to be occupying the room.

Sheriff Lombardo said no one else was found in the room when the SWAT team entered and found Paddock dead.

BREAKING: Copies of receipts from #LasVegasShooter's room service confirm my previous reporting that shooter checked in earlier than Sept 28 pic.twitter.com/MtnUhBR6Bx
— Laura Loomer (@LauraLoomer) October 4, 2017

The receipt also appears to dispute the timeline of the massacre.

Police have previously stated that Paddock checked into the hotel on September 28, but the receipt suggests he was there at least one day earlier.

And another source told journalist Laura Loomer that Paddock was actually checked in as early as September 25.

A person who has seen Mandalay Bay hotel records that have been turned over to investigators told AP they show Paddock specifically asked for the two-room suite.

It was also revealed he was given the room for free because he was a good customer who wagered tens of thousands of dollars each time he visited the casino.

The receipt emerged as President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump met privately with victims of the shooting at a hospital, praising them and the doctors who treated them as he visited a city still reeling from the worst gun massacre in modern US history.

Speaking to reporters from the lobby of the University Medical Centre lobby, Mr Trump said he’d met “some of the most amazing people” and commended the doctors who’d worked to save them for doing an “indescribable” job.

“It makes you very proud to be an American when you see the job that they’ve done,” he said.

The Sunday night rampage injured 489, some from gunfire and some from a chaotic escape.

“It’s a very sad thing. We are going to pay our respects and to see the police who have done really a fantastic job in a very short time,” Mr Trump said.

He said that authorities were “learning a lot more” about the shooter Stephen Paddock, 64, and it would be “announced at an appropriate time. It’s a very, very sad day for me personally.”

‘MY HEART BREAKS ’

Marilou Danley, the Filipina-Australian girlfriend of Paddock, said she is devastated by his actions and had no idea what he was planning.

Ms Danley, 62, was interviewed by FBI agents in Los Angeles on Wednesday, local time and her lawyer, Matthew Lombard, later read out a statement.

“I am devastated by the deaths and injuries that have occurred and my prayers go out to the victims and their families,” it read.

“I am a mother and a grandmother and my heart breaks for all who have lost loved ones.”

After failing to unearth a motive over the past two days, the FBI and Las Vegas police are hoping Ms Danley will offer insight into Paddock’s inspiration for the attack.

In her statement, she said she would do “anything” she could to assist in the investigation.

Earlier today, Ms Danley was detained by FBI agents for questioning about the Las Vegas massacre as she arrived to the United States.

She was the long-term partner of professional gambler and former accountant Paddock, who on Sunday night became America’s worst mass murderer.

The former Gold Coast resident and Australian passport was yesterday formally labelled a “person of interest” in the investigation and authorities have not ruled out a terror link to her birth country, the Philippines, to where Paddock mysteriously wired $US100,000 ($128,000) in the past weeks.

Her brother, Reynaldo Bustos, said he immediately contacted his sister when he saw the news.

“I called her up immediately and she said, ‘Relax, we shouldn’t worry about it. I’ll fix it. Do not panic. I have a clean conscience,’” Mr Bustos told ABC News in his native Tagalog language in the Philippines.

She was initially named in a police appeal for information about her whereabouts in the hours after Paddock was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot.

Police found her casino-issued identification, known as a “players card”, in his room, which was littered with weapons and spent ammunition.

Sheriff Joseph Lombardo later stated Ms Danley had been located overseas and was no longer “a person of interest”.

A frequent traveller who regularly returned to Australia, where she has family in Queensland’s Gold Coast, Ms Danley left America for Hong Kong on September 25 and was located in the Philippines.

“The investigation with her is ongoing and we anticipate some further information from her shortly,” said Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of Clark County, which includes Las Vegas.

“Currently she is a person of interest.”

DANLEY’S FAMILY IN SHOCK

Danley’s sisters revealed to Channel 7 News the former Gold Coast resident had been put on a flight to the Philippines two weeks before the massacre.

“She didn’t even know that she was going to the Philippines until Steve said, ‘Marilou, I found you a cheap ticket to the Philippines,’” one of the unnamed women stated.

“She was sent away. She was away so that she will not be there to interfere with what he’s planning.”

“He sent her away so that he can plan what he is planning without interruptions,” one of Danley’s sisters said. “In that sense I thank him for sparing my sister’s life. But that won’t be to compensate the 59 peoples’ lives.”

The women insisted their sister was “a good person and gentle soul” but suggested she might be able to assist authorities in their investigations.

“No one can put the puzzles together. No one. Except Marilou. Because Steve is not here to talk any more. Only Marilou can maybe help.”

ON THE MONEY TRAIL

Investigators are also looking at a $100,000 wire payment to the Philippines in the week before the massacre.

Paddock’s Florida-based brother Eric Paddock yesterday disputed there was anything questionable about the six-figure wire transfer the killer made recently.

“One hundred thousand dollars isn’t that huge amount of money,” he told media outside his home.

“Condemn Steve for gambling. Steve took care of the people he loved. He made me and my family wealthy.”

Eric Paddock has described Ms Danley as a “nice woman” who was Facebook friends with their elderly mother. He said his brother may have “manipulated her so that she was far away from this and had money”.

“As he was descending into hell ... he wanted to take care of her,” he suggested.

SPLIT PERSONALITIES

Such behaviour would differ from that portrayed by acquaintances of the couple, who yesterday said they often saw Paddock behaving abusively to his partner.

He was remembered by a cafe owner in his local casino in Mesquite as bullying her.

“It happened a lot,” said Esperanza Mendoza in Starbucks.

Ms Mendoza said Paddock would loudly reject Ms Danley’s offers to pay for their coffees.

“He would glare down at her and say — with a mean attitude — ‘You don’t need (a) casino card for this. I’m paying for your drink, just like I’m paying for you,’” she said.

Then she would softly say, ‘OK’ and step back behind him. He was so rude to her in front of us.”

None of Danley’s former husbands or her California-based daughter have spoken to media.

SHOOTER ‘ON ANTI-ANXIETY MEDICATION’

It has also been revealed that the gunman was recently prescribed anti-anxiety medication, a report said.

Paddock purchased 50 10-milligram tablets of Valium — on June 21, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported, citing records from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program.

The prescription was from Henderson general practitioner Dr. Steven Winkler, and his office declined to make him available for comment.

Paddock purchased the drug, without insurance, from a chemist in Reno, Nevada.


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Postby DrEvil » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:10 pm

stickdog99 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:00 am wrote:
That depends on when the cameras were planted. If they were put up right before the shooting started (which seems the most likely to me. Putting them up hours or days in advance only increases the chance of discovery, and this whole thing seems to have been very well planned) then their discovery wouldn't really be an issue.


Again, all of these hallways are constantly monitored by other security cameras. So how does the potential benefit exceed the very real risk of discovery? You are about to start shooting people with guns that will be ringing out at 160 decibels. What exactly is the benefit of monitoring the hotel hallway while doing so? If your intent is to randomly murder as many people as possible before committing suicide, why are you worried about the exact timing of the inevitable response of the authorities? What could be the possible benefit such that it exceeds the risk of discovery of your placing two fucking security cameras in the plain sight of continually monitored casino security cameras? How could you even begin to explain such an action in a halfway believable movie plot?


It would make sense if he was planning on getting away, or if he wanted to be as much in control as possible. By all accounts he was a meticulous and careful planner, and worrying about being discovered is kinda moot when you're already firing at a crowd of people. Knowing just when someone was at the door would give him the opportunity to preempt any breach attempt, or at least prepare for it, and it seems to have worked with the security guard.

I would also guess that someone putting out a serving cart with a camera hidden on it isn't something that will immediately draw security's attention. The actual eyeballs will usually be focused on the casino itself. I seriously doubt they have someone dedicated to watching just the hallways 24/7.

Someone else planting them there as evidence makes no sense at all. The room full of guns and a dead shooter is all the evidence they need. "He had guns and cameras" doesn't really make the case against him any more compelling.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:32 am

I have "zero doubt" about almost zero in the world.

If this is Gladio, whom is it serving? Gladio ops generally involved false flagging. Not to a random gambler with planes and a possible spook background, but to political targets to defame and discredit. So what's the political thinking here?


If it was Paddock, who did it serve? Why does a "strategy of tension" require a known, discernible motive, while Paddock does not? I don't get why I need to supply anything in order to question the complete bullshit the authorities have been feeding me my whole fucking life. Where is their proof that Paddock did it? Why should I convict this random guy on their say so without a shred of evidence shared or even any motive proffered? Note that rich 64-year-olds don't generally become active shooters for no reason. I can't think of any other case of this that I have ever heard of. Just because it is possible does not make it plausible.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:11 am

JackRiddler » 05 Oct 2017 01:02 wrote:Tonight's LV press conference:
- explosives in cars.
- long shootout in hall, 200 shots fired. speculation he wanted to escape and set off bombs.
- police currently inclined not to think he planned this alone and searching possible co-conspirators.


So basically everything we have been told about this up until now has been total bullshit. Now that's more like it!
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