Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:15 pm

Karmamatterz » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:31 pm wrote:
Once I yelled at my girlfriend with little provocation after drinking two margaritas. Have margaritas been ruled out as Paddock's motive for becoming a carefully premeditated mass shooter of strangers?


Or maybe the shooter(s) just didn't like country music. The sappy love songs pushed him over the edge.


That would be my landlord! He's always on edge when country starts playing, no push needed.

I do love blasting these guys, though:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC5jbYWsN58

I prefer when they have a masterful banjo player accompanying the band. A deadhead friend hires them each year to play at his annual Saratoga party.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:22 pm

Spook » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:59 pm wrote:This could all be fake. So read at your discretion.
Allegedly Hodges claiming he was staying in 32134 and also saw multiple shooters.
I don't know what to believe at this stage.
It's all so messed up.

https://twitter.com/MikeTokes/status/920165730821193728


Thanks, Spook. That clarifies my confusing the fellow from KC with the Aussie, Hodges.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article177047656.html

Kansas man was in the hotel room right below the Vegas shooter during the massacre
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby elfismiles » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:26 pm

I love butchering the english language personally despite having a day job where I'm supposed to worry about all that stuff. :wallhead: :sun: :starz:


km artlu » 23 Oct 2017 02:16 wrote:
..on Mack and I's show


I apologize in advance, I know this irritates most people. I refrain from saying this shit daily and, I'm alarmed to say, ever more frequently. The premise is that language matters.

"I's" is not a word. If it was a word, it would contract "I is", which would be, you know, wrong. Or I guess that the above was meant as "belonging to me". There's a word for that, and the word is - "my".

The shortcut to get it right is to drop the other person and use what would apply if it were singular. You wouldn't say (I'm guessing here) "I's show". Presto, you'd have "Mack and my show."
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby elfismiles » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:30 pm

Iam - I'm not convinced of other shooters either ... I still have questions but I lean towards a series of panics spreading outward triggered from the original shooting epicenter.

Iamwhomiam » 23 Oct 2017 02:55 wrote:https://www.google.com/maps/place/Las+Vegas,+NV/@36.0917335,-115.1721584,726m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x80beb782a4f57dd1:0x3accd5e6d5b379a3!8m2!3d36.1699412!4d-115.1398296

It seems I got turned around somehow. Only the Tropicana is in between the venue and Hooters with Hooters only a block away from the venue. It would be logical to either seek shelter at the Tropicana or Hooters especially, because the emergency vehicles were queued there.

I know you're trying your best, elfis, and offering info on another shooter, but I've not seen any evidence to convince me another shooter or shooters were active during the few minutes the alleged shooter, Paddock, was firing his weapon or anytime after. No other audio or photos of another shooting elsewhere, with tens of thousands of people present? Not a person reported wounded at another site. Not a bullet hole or broken glass anywhere else.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Brentos » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:47 pm

Thanks Spook. Yeah, a see the FB comment from him re: multiple shooters. Then I see further down on that page, that someone had screen-grabbed an alleged FB comment from him, where he denies he said multiple shooters. So one or both of those FB screenshots that contradict each other are fake.

This is an interview of him from local TV, about what he saw, but be patient, its from a channel where a guy is pausing the interview to make commentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5vOBTa ... u.be&t=227

If that second window is his room, how did the alleged shooter gain access? Did Paddock commandeer his room (while Brian popped down for a drink and meal for the evening?). In the interview he happens to get back to the 32nd floor to get back to his room right as the shooter Paddock(?) has started shooting.

Interestingly, Brian Hodge looks to be this guy:
http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/story/3511973/from-wagga-to-los-angeles-photos/

LinkedIn profile
https://www.linkedin.com/in/hodgebrian/


From Wagga to Los Angeles
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'Y[ou might be surprised to know that when Brian Hodge drives into work each day, the renowned Hollywood sign looming in front of him, he thinks of Wagga.

Wagga’s relaxed lifestyle is the opposite of what he is used to in Los Angeles.

But he said without the continued support of his hometown he would not have the career he has today.

Mr Hodge began his career as a photographer with The Daily Advertiser before dabbling in acting on Heartbreak High, Home and Away and Wildside.

But deep down he knew that Los Angeles would be his ultimate destination.

His job at Jupiters Casino on the Gold Coast involved rebranding the casino and attracting big names, such as Snoop Dogg, Wynter Gordon, Mariah Carey, Rod Stewart, Kings of Leon, Jay Sean, Boyz II Men and The Village People to perform there.

American Idol’sRandy Jackson, who has become Mr Hodge’s mentor, convinced him to move to Los Angeles in 2012.

Mr Hodge spent a short time in the hotel business again before he was offered a role with Paramount Studios.

He has worked on Mission Impossible 5, The Spongebob Movie, Terminator Genysis, Hot Tub Time Machine 2 and is preparing to release The Big Short, Zoolander 2, Star Trek Beyond, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 and Daddy’s Home.

Mr Hodge has worked on film publicity, production and events with some of the biggest names in Hollywood but said people treat him like a celebrity when they learn he is from Wagga.

“It’s the name, it’s a double name and it’s kind of funny and Americans don’t really know how to pronounce it,” he said.

“I’m super passionate about Wagga.

“My success is from people knowing I’m from Wagga.

“I’m so thankful for people even believing in me and it all came from here.”

After one of his movies is released, Mr Hodge monitors the global feedback and said his biggest buzz comes from seeing people from Wagga Tweeting about a film he worked on.

Mr Hodge returned to Wagga this week to visit his family and take in a showing of the local production of Legally Blonde.

Upon returning to Los Angeles next week, he will prepare the filming schedule for the Baywatch movie.

Mr Hodge will also focus on work with Viacom and organising some of the country’s biggest award shows in 2016.

His message to the youth of Wagga is that they can have a similar career if they have the right mindset.

“It’s been really tough but I’ve been so committed and focused,” he said.

“It’s completely different to Australian life … but you just have to be open to that
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:00 am

Spook » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:59 pm wrote:This could all be fake. So read at your discretion.
Allegedly Hodges claiming he was staying in 32134 and also saw multiple shooters.
I don't know what to believe at this stage.
It's all so messed up.

https://twitter.com/MikeTokes/status/920165730821193728


Spook, be careful! Hodges never said he saw multiple gunman or for that matter even his seeing one gunman.
He was reporting what we all were hearing - reports of multiple shooters without one single eyewitness to point out the damage done by any secondary shooter.

I'm still sticking to the premise it was a gun buy or sting that went horribly wrong. I doubt Bloomberg or the FBI would go so far just to seek a ban on sliding stocks. Bundy supporter, too, is sticking around as motive.

Gun sales always increase after such events.

I did find this video in the twitter feed you provided, Spook:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=Y0DluEQvs6I

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Spook » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:11 am

I might edit my last post as you are indeed correct Iamwhoiam. He does not directly state he "saw" multiple shooters.

Nice pickup. Thanks
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:38 am

Thanks. Earlier, I missed mention of the fake comments on twitter so I need to examine that. It seems to me, at least from my point of view, that he must be mistaken about his room number if the hotel's management is to be believed about not renting that room as it's only used to comp people. Was Hodges upgraded and given the room as a perk? Before or after they had already offered it and the accompanying suite to Paddock?

Was he billed for breaking the window? Or arrested for costly vandalism? Something's rotten about Hodge's story.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Brentos » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:15 am

Yeah, I agree, there is something about Hodge's story... off. With his seemingly contradicting FB comments, he was most likely reporting what police and maybe eyewitnesses were saying (multiple shooters), then when the official story became fact, he probably stated the truth, that be personally didn't see multiple shooter, or indeed one.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:37 am

It would be nice if you recognized my response to your question, stickdog.
It's quite frustrating to take the time to answer your questions, and pointless, in fact, if you fail to recognize your question was answered.

Your first two questions have already been answered in this thread. The adjoining room was part and parcel to the complimentary suite, to use or not to use it was Paddock's whim alone. It was not a room let out for rent.


There have been hundreds of posts on thread. I thought some Aussie claimed that he had rented the adjoining room. I thought the reason the LVPD had Paddock's check in date wrong is because he paid for his suite while his original, earlier booked room had been comped. Who provided the information that "the adjoining room was part and parcel to the complimentary suite, to use or not to use it was Paddock's whim alone"? Who said "it was not a room let out for rent"? When was this information released? How does this jibe with Lombardo's claim that Paddock paid for his suite? Why would Paddock pay for a second room to use at his whim when the suite he paid for was more than large enough for a family of four?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:52 am

As the room adjoining the suite was not a rental unit.


Again, whose word are you taking on this claim? The picture shows the "hidden" security camera cart that was supposedly in front of Paddock's adjoining room and the room number. So why are you believing whoever told you "the room adjoining the suite was not a rental unit" over you own eyes?
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:10 am

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the ... stigation/

Lombardo said Paddock spent those first three days in a separate room, and the hotel provided that room free of charge for unknown reasons. Paddock spent the remaining days in the corner suite where he staged his attack, and he paid for the suite himself.

“We’ve learned that there’s a difference of comp days versus personal pay days,” Lombardo said. “We were going off the personal pay days.”
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby SonicG » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:02 am

The connecting room and Mr. Hodges is certainly a bit of mystery - Why did Paddock need to knock out that window? Do we even know if he shot out of it? Maybe he used it as a distraction so that cops would bust down that door first? Can someone repost the photo of the cart in front of the door? I think the camera wires were just dangling (?) Lucky for Mr. Hodge to have been out of his room...
This story has really faded from the spotlight even though there are, obviously, tons of unanswered questions, from his girlfriend's info. to the real timeline plus security videos of Paddock moving or not moving in the guns...

Hearsay, of course but...
Las Vegas shooting update: Stephen Paddock a Trump fan
A neighbor told conservative host Michael Savage that Paddock was a fan of Donald Trump

One piece of audio that was buried beneath the mountain of news that came out in the first few hours following the tragic Las Vegas shooting on Oct. 1 was an apparent former neighbor of Stephen Paddock having said that Paddock was “a fan” of President Donald Trump.

A caller to Savage Nation (hosted by conservative talk show host Michael Savage) named “Rick” claimed he was a neighbor of Paddock from December 2015 to June of 2016. When asked by Savage if Paddock had ever expressed any political opinions to him, the neighbor said the following: “No sir, not a thing, I mean other than I told him … I was wearing a Trump Team shirt that said ‘Trump Team’ on it, and he was a Trump fan. But other than that, we didn’t talk about it.”

Savage, who heavily supported Trump during his campaign, followed up the comment with a laugh and said, “Don’t let that get out.”

The caller, who said he now lives in Pittsburgh, believes that Paddock was set up.

“I’m not a big conspiracy theory guy but it don’t sit right,” the caller said. “I know this guy. I’ve drank beer with this guy.

“I can tell you, 100 percent, that this is not that kind of guy. I was in [Mesquite, Nevada] working and probably saw him every other day on my way home. He used to sit in his driveway in a lawn chair, right at the edge of the garage and the driveway. And he would wave all the time when I was going by – really nice guy.

“There’s a little bar around the corner where they have poker vending machines. He’d go down there all the time and have a few beers and play that little vending slot machine.

“We drank beer together, kind of sitting there in passing … we would talk about nonsense stuff. I told him I was in the Marine corps. We’d talk about guns and all kinds of stuff. He never even told me that he owned a gun.”
https://www.metro.us/news/the-big-stori ... -trump-fan



Ah nevermind...he was just crazy all these years...
People magazine interviewed criminal profiler John Kelly, who believes Paddock was “born a killer.”

“What would drive somebody that is so methodical and structured in life to go insane in a very structured and methodical way?” said Kelly, a criminal profiler for nearly 20 years who never met the killer. “Paddock was a pathological gambler, psychopath and a sociopath. He was predisposed from birth and childhood to harbor extreme internalized shame, low self-esteem, depression, and aggressive anger.

...
“As a therapist I decode messages from severe emotional trauma victims, people like Stephen Paddock. Such people consciously bury the real meaning of their trauma. Nevertheless, the trauma remains constantly frozen in the back of their minds. It’s as if the threat of the trauma’s reoccurrence remains there, deep in their unconscious. It’s an unconscious post-traumatic stress disorder.”

He cites Paddock’s reported statement to his girlfriend, Marilou Danley: “I want you to take a trip home to see your family. I found a cheap ticket to the Philippines.”

He believes it represents Paddock’s own “trip down bad memory lane,” based on his father’s actions, as a criminal bank robber and later a fugitive from prison.

“Secretly he implies the shocking realization, ‘I was just a cheap ticket to my father, of no value, degraded by him. He was more concerned about money and robbing banks than me, and robbing me of a father.'”

Hodges also notes Paddock’s decision to send money to Danley “to buy your family a house.”

“Read his projection: ‘I deeply wished my father had bought us a permanent house, provided a stable family.’ Instead, [Paddock] was deeply cheated, robbed of a home,” Hodges said.

Hodges explains Paddock’s father already had served prison time when Stephen was born, then was arrested again, while the family was in Las Vegas, for a series of armed bank robberies “during which he attempted to murder an FBI agent.”

“His father never returned home and would never be seen again by Stephen. … Unconsciously he experiences his father as totally destroying his life — a murderous attack.”

He elaborated: “When Paddock kept killing and wounding hundreds of innocent concertgoers – unconsciously he was looking at his abusive father. He shot him over and over, shouting out his unbearable unconscious secret: his father had destroyed him as if he had shot him a thousand times with his repeated abandonments and abuse. He was inflicting his deep haunting sense of being a cheap ticket on all his cheap ticket victims at the concert.”

Hodges wrote: “This is Stephen Paddock’s story: Father destroyed/murdered him deep down. He wanted to murder father as payback. He then re-enacted it on others and finally suicided because of guilt. The great abuse three-step. It’s so powerful, only the unconscious super intelligence can tell us the truth about it in its metaphoric messages.
http://www.wnd.com/2017/10/forensic-pro ... s-shooter/


WND but I think he just took the quotes from other sources...I think this will become the official "motive"...
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:03 am

LOL. Did our psychic feel Paddock's psychic pain from beyond the grave?

I am imagining what he could have divined had Paddock said, "I need to use the bathroom."

Clearly this indicates how pissed Paddock was at his father! This was not simply water under the bridge. This was a steam of hot yellow fury signaling Paddocks overflowing bladder of rage that could be requited only by killing scores of complete strangers and then himself for no reason.
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