Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

[elfismiles]

For the record ... while I understand and respect Jeff's rule / feelings on this ... I am personally fascinated by the Fortean and magical ideologies of people such as M. A. Hoffman and William N. Grimstad (aka Jim Brandon, author of Weird America and Rebirth of Pan and AntiZion, The Six Million Reconsidered and Talk About Hate).

I've not read their holocaust denial/revisionist material and I don't feel I know their true beliefs ... and I generally am not someone who feels people should be convicted of hate crimes and imprisoned for expressing 1st amendment free speech except when it literally crosses the line into instigating such crimes - I know, a very problematic perspective as there are plenty of people's views / beliefs that I disagree with and think are abhorrent.

But enough about that... I get Griz's interest in talking about the IDEA of some mass-public events possibly being engineered as mass public programming / ritualistic theater. It is problematic that these ideas largely originated from folks such as Downard, Hoffman, and Grimstad. So long as others who take up these ideas (several friends of mine whom I trust as NOT being racists / holocaust deniers) are AWARE of the idea's partial (or full?) origin with them, then I'm comfortable continuing to engage with the idea and explore it. But there are other threads on RI that might be more appropriate. Unless such ideas have become the new KWH Key Word Hijacking and are themselves verboten.

Elfismiles is exactly right — Hoffman should not be linked at RI:

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... 15#p268915

Postby Jeff » Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:45 am

starviego, I'm going to presume you don't know what you just did, or why it is so unwelcome here.

When I began blogging, I cited a second-hand Hoffman quote on the cryptocracy. Soon after, I discovered who he is and which "historical revision" he represents, and I didn't make the mistake again.

So - don't do that again. Because it will result in an immediate ban.

Grizzly, check out Hoffman as Elfismiles suggests: titles like "The Secret Relationship Bewteen Blacks and Jews" is just the start. Bad news.

[Elvis]

It can be a fine line for sure. My take is, if a valid idea comes along from a source who also promotes e.g. "the secret agenda between blacks and Jews" on the same site, at the least just skip the hyperlink, state why, and focus on the idea.

[Grizzly]

Ok... I can now see after looking into this guy why he may be verboten, woulda been nice, if you could have explained it. None the less I found that interview quite interesting and was excited to discuss it through the RI lense.

Here's an example (that gives the idea) of the cryonic process Freeze, hold and thaw in the collective. Facehook, i.e, Facebook, just got busted for zeroing in on teens, with their 'surveillance capitalism', “At the time we ended... less than 5 percent... were teens. Analysis shows... about 18 percent when you... add people who had... uninstalled the app.”But experience shows us, then next month they'll admit it was actually 30%, then later 45%, etc.. weaponized incrementalism.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/28/facebook-research-teens/

The power is in the gradual revelation of it's misdeeds, timing is everything in the 'Public Psychodrama'. Just like Shoshana Zuboff, sd, in her interview on democracy now, about, the Age of Surveillance Capitalism, where there is no place, where "Young people can be "off stage"... Everything is documented, no where to hide, "where they can be private and be nurturing and developing the inner resources that we need for the capacity of moral autonomy and individual judgment..." Because most the world is a stage, and we all just play roles, some we are aware of, many we are not. Unless we really examine our patterns. Our sub rosa behaviours. And our daily rituals. Inner searching. Rigorous intuition and coming to fruition about our place in time and space.

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/3/1/big_tech_stole_our_data_while

TPTB, know this and interrupt us knowing ourselves at every opportunity. Using these methods to alienate us from others and ourselves, with subliminal messages, repetitious ads, and symbolism, in the cyber age, they are now their feeding on our kids, like never before.

Digital technology is a sort of sorcery, much like the silver screen was back in the day, we make believe and we tell ourselves stories , just to cope. "So, what happens is, we get mobilized around a mini-scandal." she says, And while our back is turned, they put the knife in.

Lambs to slaughter in their version of the Psychodrama.

In the words of RUSH:

All the world's indeed a stage, And we are merely players, Performers and portrayers, Each another's audience Outside the gilded cage.

They control us from cradle to grave.

[chump]

That G&B interview with MAH was great! I, too, am not familiar with and don’t care to search for his other research; but his book they mention discussing the subject of secret societies and psycho dramas is definitely a classic that should be considered.

Anyway (… considering the above, reading between the lines, of course) this presentation was worth a listen:

https://youtu.be/qX8xs67yqBA
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Las Vegas Shooting – Case Closed with Special Guests Joe Napoli & John Cullen

Jason Goodman
Streamed live February 2, 2019

Joe Napoli returns as John Cullen lays out the most compelling evidence in the Las Vegas shooting presented to date.

[…]

Las Vegas Shooting: "Nothing spoils a good story like the arrival of an eyewitness.”

John and Joe are two Vegas witnesses who strongly disagree with the official version of the concert shooting in 2017 - where dozens of partiers were supposedly slaughtered - singlehandedly - by one man in a window - in the Mandalay Bay - most of a quarter mile away. Jason’s presentation with John and Joe was especially impressive - with pictures and videos readily re-played to help describe the stuff they’re discussing:

I don’t know if ‘crowdsourcing the truth’ is truly sincere, but John has compiled quite a collection of ‘crowdsourced’ evidence - correlating those archival pictures, various videos and comparing the statements from several eye-witness who were at the concert - plainly stating they spotted a chopper?? So, collecting the clips and clicks that captured a copter from copious angles, John explains that, sure enough, the evidence shows shots were fired from a whirly-bird! One woman declares on camera she saw some men sitting on the skids of a semi-silent, ebony egg beater shooting on down at the maddening crowd!

https://youtu.be/1aRSMV1VkOs
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“We got Muhammed Bin Salman out of Las Vegas.”

Speculating on the possible agendas intended to be achieved by this terrible tragedy, the trio elaborate on the swift removal from the Las Vegas strip of Saudi Prince MBS, theorizing he was possibly the target of an unsuccessful assassination… that should be kept secret for reasons explained, and that the torture suffered by some his family, and the death and dismemberment of Jamal Khasshogi so soon after the massacre is also explained as possibly related retribution for such an assassination attempt (… or perhaps the Prince was part of the plot??).

Then, they describe the spooky airport practically beside the concert stage.

52 minutes:

Toward the end of this 80 minute limited edition, the group disclose their various experiences with trolls and such (reminding me of somewhere) in the research community; which leads to a discussion of how the government is legally allowed to mass distribute false misleading propaganda as a direct result of the 2012 repeal of the Smith-Mundt Act, and they actually list a group of government funded propagandists on ‘social media’ - specifically mentioning a exciting example of a government grant for propaganda to a company who calls themselves…

… etc so forth, see for yourself.

[Grizzly]

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ay1v25/the_las_vegas_shooting_was_predicted_in_advance/ehxkwf8/On September 10, 2017, someone warned people that an attack was being planned in the Las Vegas Area. They warned that Michael Chertoff and Sheldon Adelson were associated with the plan, which was designed to allow ramping up of security in public places, and earn money for Chertoff's company that sold security equipment.

There is an archive of the posts to verify the image.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ay1v25/the_las_vegas_shooting_was_predicted_in_advance/

XM pulled their live radio feed of Route 91 prior to Jason Aldean’s headline set at request of his management. The guys in the studio continued to listen though and heard the event through their professional, stationary mics. It’s probably the best audio forensics out there and what a shame it never surfaced in public.

[Freitag]

Just as a data dump, there's a "new" photo circulating of Paddock's suicide: https://www.reddit.com/r/CrimeScene/com ... _photo_in/

[seemslikeadream]

Post by chump » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:31 am
Speculating on the possible agendas intended to be achieved by this terrible tragedy, the trio elaborate on the swift removal from the Las Vegas strip of Saudi Prince MBS, theorizing he was possibly the target of an unsuccessful assassination… that should be kept secret for reasons explained, and that the torture suffered by some his family, and the death and dismemberment of Jamal Khasshogi so soon after the massacre is also explained as possibly related retribution for such an assassination attempt (… or perhaps the Prince was part of the plot??).

November 5 2017

On Saturday, King Salman created a new Anti-Corruption Commission and put M.B.S.—as his third son is commonly known, by his initials—in charge. The arrests, in a late-night blitz, soon followed.
“It’s an interesting form of dictatorship that is being created in Saudi Arabia,” Jamal Khashoggi, a prominent Saudi columnist and former editor and adviser to Saudi diplomats who is now in exile, told me. “M.B.S. is now becoming the supreme leader.” Besides North Korea, the only other country where that title is used is Iran, Saudi Arabia’s archrival. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... ps-consent

Senior American officials were worried. Since the early months of the Trump administration, Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and Middle East adviser, had been having private, informal conversations with Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the favorite son of Saudi Arabia’s king.
Given Mr. Kushner’s political inexperience, the private exchanges could make him susceptible to Saudi manipulation, said three former senior American officials.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/worl ... shner.html

JARED KUSHNER’S SECURITY CLEARANCE COULD BE A ‘THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY’
https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner- ... on-1355791

Embassy Staffers Say Jared Kushner Shut Them Out of Saudi Meetings
https://www.thedailybeast.com/embassy-s ... i-meetings

It will be the first time the two will meet since 15 Saudis brutally strangled Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi and dismembered him with a bone saw last fall.
Kushner and M.B.S., as he is known, struck up a relationship nearly two years ago, when the Saudi prince visited the White House. Kushner and M.B.S., youthful heirs with complex family rivalries, have met a handful of times since.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/02 ... g-with-mbs

Kushner does, however, have several connections to the gambling world, Gambling 911 found.
The most obvious is Kushner's close relationship with Las Vegas multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson, who owns the Sands company, which owns numerous casinos in the U.S. and abroad.
Kushner served as the go-between for Adelson and Trump, frequently taking meetings with the octagenarian casino mogul for his father-in-law, a former casino mogul.
Adelson remains close to the Trump family, having been named a member of Trump's Inauguration Committee.
https://www.gambling911.com/politics/tr ... ling-.html

Trump met with Sheldon Adelson after Las Vegas shooting: report
President Trump met with casino magnate and GOP megadonor Sheldon Adelson and his wife Miriam at the White House on Monday, discussing the mass shooting in Las Vegas that left 59 people dead and more than 500 injured.
The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported Tuesday that the meeting at the White House had been scheduled before news of the attack on the country music festival on the Vegas strip reached Washington early Monday morning.
Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner was allegedly also at the meeting.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... ing-report

[Karmamatterz]

said three former senior American officials.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/worl ... shner.html

Nice bit O’ propaganda there.

[seemslikeadream]

what is going on

why are there missing posts in this thread?

[Elvis]

A wholly unnecessary, off-topic "exchange" has been removed.

If a case is being made that Kushner was involved in the LV mass shooting, spell it out for us.

[seemslikeadream]

then please remove Karmamatterz last post also if I am not allowed to answer it
I was following up on this ..I do not understand what the problem is with that


My bold

Post by chump » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:31 am
Speculating on the possible agendas intended to be achieved by this terrible tragedy, the trio elaborate on the swift removal from the Las Vegas strip of Saudi Prince MBS, theorizing he was possibly the target of an unsuccessful assassination… that should be kept secret for reasons explained, and that the torture suffered by some his family, and the death and dismemberment of Jamal Khasshogi so soon after the massacre is also explained as possibly related retribution for such an assassination attempt (… or perhaps the Prince was part of the plot??).

[Elvis]

then remove Karmamatterz last post also if I am not allowed to answer it

No one said you couldn't answer, but having a hissy-fit and a big string of off-topic copy/paste over one short comment is not an answer.

I was following up on this ..I do not understand what the problem is with that


My bold

Post by chump » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:31 am
Speculating on the possible agendas intended to be achieved by this terrible tragedy, the trio elaborate on the swift removal from the Las Vegas strip of Saudi Prince MBS, theorizing he was possibly the target of an unsuccessful assassination… that should be kept secret for reasons explained, and that the torture suffered by some his family, and the death and dismemberment of Jamal Khasshogi so soon after the massacre is also explained as possibly related retribution for such an assassination attempt (… or perhaps the Prince was part of the plot??).

The series of snippets seem to suggest some thesis involving Kushner in the mass shooting; I'm just wondering if there is one, and what it is.

[seemslikeadream]

ok my short answer is there are more MSM links than I can count in this thread and 3 mods posted MSM links as well in this thread..I doubt they would like this response to their posts either

Nice bit O’ propaganda there.

thanks for allowing me to answer him

The series of snippets seem to suggest some thesis involving Kushner in the mass shooting; I'm just wondering if there is one, and what it is.

I guess chump and I had been working on that...there is a lot of speculation in this thread

[DrEvil]

Ok... I can now see after looking into this guy why he may be verboten, woulda been nice, if you could have explained it. None the less I found that interview quite interesting and was excited to discuss it through the RI lense.

Here's an example (that gives the idea) of the cryonic process Freeze, hold and thaw in the collective. Facehook, i.e, Facebook, just got busted for zeroing in on teens, with their 'surveillance capitalism', “At the time we ended... less than 5 percent... were teens. Analysis shows... about 18 percent when you... add people who had... uninstalled the app.”But experience shows us, then next month they'll admit it was actually 30%, then later 45%, etc.. weaponized incrementalism.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/02/28/facebook-research-teens/

The power is in the gradual revelation of it's misdeeds, timing is everything in the 'Public Psychodrama'. Just like Shoshana Zuboff, sd, in her interview on democracy now, about, the Age of Surveillance Capitalism, where there is no place, where "Young people can be "off stage"... Everything is documented, no where to hide, "where they can be private and be nurturing and developing the inner resources that we need for the capacity of moral autonomy and individual judgment..." Because most the world is a stage, and we all just play roles, some we are aware of, many we are not. Unless we really examine our patterns. Our sub rosa behaviours. And our daily rituals. Inner searching. Rigorous intuition and coming to fruition about our place in time and space.

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/3/1/big_tech_stole_our_data_while

TPTB, know this and interrupt us knowing ourselves at every opportunity. Using these methods to alienate us from others and ourselves, with subliminal messages, repetitious ads, and symbolism, in the cyber age, they are now their feeding on our kids, like never before.

Digital technology is a sort of sorcery, much like the silver screen was back in the day, we make believe and we tell ourselves stories , just to cope. "So, what happens is, we get mobilized around a mini-scandal." she says, And while our back is turned, they put the knife in.

Lambs to slaughter in their version of the Psychodrama.

In the words of RUSH:

All the world's indeed a stage, And we are merely players, Performers and portrayers, Each another's audience Outside the gilded cage.

They control us from cradle to grave.

You know, when someone starts all their videos with an image of a German "Gott Mit Uns" buckle and an SS-style S up top you might want to reconsider posting that shit.

And if you'd taken the time to research Asha Logos a little more you might have realized he's a white supremacist ranting about the good old days when men were men and women were in the kitchen and how the cultural marxists are ruining the west.

Not surprisingly he's also very active on Gab, because of course he is, just like all the other nazi fucks.

[RocketMan]

Thanks Dr. Evil. Count me in with those who say nip that Nazi / alt-right pseudo philosophic obscurantism right at the bud. There are some roads that are best not gone down.

I've also never watched Two Girls and One Cup and I don't think I've missed an important human experience.