Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

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Postby IanEye » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:10 am

stefano » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:30 am wrote:Also the 23 firearms, I mean what can you do with 23 that you can't do with, like, three?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dBn3fW1ijU

stefano » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:30 am wrote:I can't think of any others as old as Paddock but there must have been.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Holocaust_Memorial_Museum_shooting

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:42 am

Las Vegas Strip shooter targeted aviation fuel tanks, source says
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the ... urce-says/

The Las Vegas gunman's bullets reportedly hit an aviation fuel tank near his hotel
http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vega ... ?r=UK&IR=T
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Officials: Las Vegas Shooter Researched Possible Boston Locations
http://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/Las ... 93123.html

Gunman Stephen Paddock booked hotel rooms in Chicago overlooking Lollapalooza months before Route 91 Harvest massacre
http://www.news.com.au/world/north-amer ... 673787a7a3

Obama's kid was there

Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock gambled $1MILLION a year and paid for his $369,000 house in cash, real estate agent claims
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -home.html

Sheriff: Hard to Believe Las Vegas Gunman Planned Attack Alone
https://www.voanews.com/a/sheriff-hard- ... 57301.html

Las Vegas gunman planned escape, sheriff says
http://www.arklatexhomepage.com/news/na ... /826472629

LAS VEGAS SHOOTER
HIS BROTHER IS WANTED BY COPS

http://www.tmz.com/2017/10/05/vegas-sho ... nt-arrest/

LAS VEGAS SHOOTING UPDATE: GUNMAN ‘SPENT DECADES ACQUIRING WEAPONS AND AMMO’
http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-shoot ... mmo-678264

Stephen Paddock had explosives, 1600 rounds of ammunition in car
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... f5c595ed68

Las Vegas shooter rented a condo overlooking another music festival a week before massacre
http://theweek.com/speedreads/729001/la ... e-massacre

can't wait to see how much money he had left
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stefano » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:04 am

stefano » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:30 pm wrote:I want to make time to watch the brother's interview later.

So I got as far as "$100,000 isn't that much money... we don't all work at Taco Bell." Think I'll leave the rest, actually. Hope some more patient souls will be willing to underline anything interesting he says.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:41 am

8bitagent » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:05 am wrote:Tho, why the hell does FLORIDA always play into this stuff?


While I apologize for bringing such reductionist materialism to our humble abode of wizards, I think the answer is simply guns and...

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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:50 am

stefano » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:30 am wrote:Also the 23 firearms, I mean what can you do with 23 that you can't do with, like, three?


That's a mix of a good question and perhaps a lack of time on the range.

Second part first: When you're pumping rounds through a rifle, it gets hot. When you're pumping rounds through rifles with extended cartridges at bumpfire rates, they get completely unusable for a good ten to fifteen minutes.

That said, there's still a big gap between three and 23, and the nature of the weapons still makes me suspect a hotel buy scenario. However, when you're looking at 50+ deaths and 450+ injuries, there must have been a massive amount of rounds discharged, even considering he was firing into a packed crowd.

Presumably, the only reason he stopped shooting after those opening minutes was the simple fact he was out of ammo.

Edit: if he'd scored an explosive hit on those fuel tanks, he probably could have gotten away.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Brentos » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:55 am

Elvis » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:35 am wrote:
Brentos » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:14 pm wrote:Initial eyewitness/victim report that completely contradicts the lone gunman narrative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rArn0pk1H7Q

Reminds me of the Scalise shooting, that I saw live where initial reports (more than 1 shooter) varied widely from the final narrative.


Very interesting, Brentos, thanks for that.

Bummer how the interview is cut off, I'd like to hear more from that couple. The girl insists on multiple shooters on the ground, but of course she might have just heard echos and formed the wrong impression.


Yeah,its possible that it could be due to confusion and panic. Interestingly her remarks on the lights going on and being "directed", is echoed by this self-alleged survivor, who also talks about fireworks being used as a diversionary tactic precluding actual gunfire, as well as multiple shooters and posts his detailed testimony here:. https://www.facebook.com/GioRios/posts/1617509348294275
He also has fired AR15, and he posted on the Project Willow's yt link here re: many alleged military people saying it was no way an AR15, more like a belt loaded M240/M249/M60, w. probable multiple shooters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG2oQ65zi-Q

Its also interesting that content like these from survivors are being deleted on yt & fb.

Based on what I dont know about guns etc..., I have no problem accepting that one guy might have been able to do this, and that lights going on etc.. was not part of the "plot". Yet, 32, 23, October 'Harvest', right near luxor pyramid, I do not have a problem accepting that something else is going on. My intuition tells me that there is a lot more going on with this, on multiple levels.

Also, of interest: https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017 ... the-video/
Woman details lockdown in Bellagio after shots were fired through front door. This is 2 miles from Mandalay.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby semper occultus » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:22 pm

Sunday 01 October 2017

Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson has been caught on camera in Myanmar reciting a colonial poem before being stopped by an ambassador.

Mr Johnson began quoting the opening lines of Mandalay during a visit to the Shwedagon Pagoda in Yangon, the capital of Myanmar.

The poem by Rudyard Kipling is written through the eyes of a retired British serviceman in Myanmar, also known as Burma, which Britain colonised for more than a century.

http://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-caught-reciting-inappropriate-poem-in-myanmar-gaffe-11061143
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Cordelia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:35 pm

^^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqLIm0HOvuQ

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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:41 pm

What an asshole. (He and Trump must share the same toupee maker.)


and Cambridge Analytica
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Postby semper occultus » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:43 pm

widely known as "The Road to Mandalay" - to be clear this happened just before the actual incident which I guess is one of those weird synchros - not claiming any more than that

link here with a post mortem photo apparently missing a somewhat sinister "13" supposedly tattooed on Paddocks throat -

both the tattoo & later lack of same equally :starz:

http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/las-vegas-shooting.html

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Postby JackRiddler » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:51 pm

stefano » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:30 am wrote:Also the 23 firearms, I mean what can you do with 23 that you can't do with, like, three?


You're kidding, right?

[/assumeofficialstory]

This guy has a spook resume, but may not actually be a spook. He undertook this like one, that's what matters. This was no snap rampage but an occupation for months or years. This is the part E. Paddock understands as how his brother's mentality would go about such an operation, even though Eric is dumbfounded at his brother's original decision to do so. This was done not like Charles Whitman but like the Jackal. Nothing wrong with overkill capacity, there's only going to be one ride, everything planned through and table-top rehearsed and trained for. And then 200 shots exchanged with the security, see? He never wants to run out of ammo.

[/assumptionsoff]
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby chump » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:15 pm

I saw the 6 minute version, and his brother's behavior was bizarre, but believable:




"We're shocked, horrified, completely dumbfounded."

"He's not an avid gun guy at all. The fact that he had those kind of weapons is... just... Where the hell did he get automatic weapons?? He has no military background or anything like that."

"He's just a guy who lives in Mesquite who likes burritos."
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:21 pm

stefano » 05 Oct 2017 11:30 wrote:Don't they have standing orders to wait for SWAT if one of them might get shot? Or, if they don't, wouldn't you expect the officer to make that call rather than get shot anyway?


Since Columbine, the protocols for dealing with any active shooter are the exact opposite of "wait for a SWAT team."

http://www.policeforum.org/assets/docs/ ... 202014.pdf

In the Columbine incident, police from various
Denver-area agencies responded but did not
enter the school to stop the shooters for more than
30 minutes. That reflected their training, which was
based on the concepts of containing the situation
and waiting for SWAT team members to arrive,
mobilize, and respond.

This type of training reflected the thinking at
the time. And it was appropriate for hostage incidents
or other scenarios in which it made sense to
wait for a SWAT team to respond, because SWAT
personnel are better equipped and trained in special
tactics than are patrol officers. However, Columbine
did not involve hostage takers; it involved
two youths intent on quickly killing people at
random. Columbine brought a realization by law
enforcement leaders that a much faster response
was needed for active-shooter incidents.

Columbine brought about a sea change in police
tactics. “Contain and negotiate” may be appropriate
for hostage incidents or situations where a person is
barricaded in a room and unable to harm victims.
But it is not appropriate for active shooter incidents.
Columbine resulted in new approaches in which
patrol officers are being trained to respond to active
shooters as quickly as possible.


http://www.newsweek.com/las-vegas-shoot ... oom-676198

It’s unclear why officers waited more than an hour to enter the gunman’s room. The delay has sparked questions about police response and whether officers should have breached the gunman’s room sooner. It’s also not clear when Paddock stopped shooting and whether officers were outside his room as the rampage continued.

"I’m not sure why it took so long," said an expert on police tactics who was not authorized to speak with the media. "Your first priority is stopping the shooting and getting to the suspect."

...

Experts say every second counts during an attack. The majority of active shooters finish their attack within five minutes or less, according to a study done by the FBI.

...

After the massacre at Columbine High School in 1999, law enforcement protocols were changed. During that attack, police waited for SWAT officers to respond, allowing the two suspects to continue their killing spree. The attack exposed flaws in standard police procedure, so protocols were altered to have first responding attempt to stop an active gunman.

Police response is always critiqued after a high-profile attack. Orlando officers faced backlash after waiting about three hours to breach the Pulse nightclub last year after a gunman killed 49 innocents and injured at least 68 others.

Police said they did not end the attack sooner because the gunman was holding victims, some of whom were critically injured, in a bathroom inside the club and did not want to cause more deaths.

That was not the case in Las Vegas.
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Re: easy andy

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:32 pm

JackRiddler » 05 Oct 2017 16:51 wrote:
stefano » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:30 am wrote:Also the 23 firearms, I mean what can you do with 23 that you can't do with, like, three?


You're kidding, right?

[/assumeofficialstory]

This guy has a spook resume, but may not actually be a spook. He undertook this like one, that's what matters. This was no snap rampage but an occupation for months or years. This is the part E. Paddock understands as how his brother's mentality would go about such an operation, even though Eric is dumbfounded at his brother's original decision to do so. This was done not like Charles Whitman but like the Jackal. Nothing wrong with overkill capacity, there's only going to be one ride, everything planned through and table-top rehearsed and trained for. And then 200 shots exchanged with the security, see? He never wants to run out of ammo.

[/assumptionsoff]


Who told the dozens of officers and hotel security guards on the scene to stand down while one 64-year-old dude with no military training shot hundreds and hundreds of innocent people?

The "200 shots exchanged with security" was never mentioned or heard on any of the police scanners. No shots were exchanged. The police did not enter the room to find Paddock dead until about 15 minutes after the last shots were fired. My guess is that both the "leaked" wired security camera on a food cart pictures as well as the newly reported "exchanged 200 round of fire" are merely being floated as disinfo to quell the questioning of a 75 minute response time that, against all modern police protocol, let an active shooter (or several) keep rampaging for over 45 minutes after the initial LEOs arrived.
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Re: Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

Postby Cordelia » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:57 pm

semper occultus » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:43 pm wrote:widely known as "The Road to Mandalay" - to be clear this happened just before the actual incident which I guess is one of those weird synchros - not claiming any more than that


And noted as "not appropriate" because of Britain's Colonial Rule in Burma; Dufus Boris Johnson's chaperone/handler is quick to intervene (he looks so fed up), but those coincidences are always weird, imho.
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