Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby Nordic » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:06 pm

Anyone else find it kind of funny that on a board about conspiracies, one that actually got pretty well-known, there is now a permanently parked group of people ready to shoot down and mock anyone posting anything that might suggest a conspiracy?

Having not been here in a very long time, and seeing this place with fresh eyes, this kind of sticks out.

I will now be mocked and derided for suggesting there could be a conspiracy involved in a conspiracy forum.
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby Nordic » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:06 pm

By the way, thank you stickdog for all the photos. Quite an amazing collection
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby PufPuf93 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:41 pm

Nordic » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:06 pm wrote:By the way, thank you stickdog for all the photos. Quite an amazing collection


I agree with this. Thank you Stickdog and the others that provided pictures and articles.

Have to cop to being a grumpy old fart. Much conspiracy is mundane rather than high technology. For example there is much $$$ in wild land firefighting than in the past. There is expensive equipment that has to be purchased and maintained. A fire season without fire would be a disaster. A busy fire season is a bonanza.
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:54 pm

barracuda » 19 Oct 2017 15:19 wrote:
stickdog99 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:06 pm wrote:How could 17 fires start in a 24 hour period all by unplanned, random accidents with zero lightning?


California has had 7700 wildfires this year. Last year we had something like 6500. Divide these numbers by 365 days per year. to get the average number of wildfires per day in California.

As it turns out, 17 such fires in any given 24 hour period is actually a slow day around here.

PG&E has as much as admitted liability as the source of at least some of the fires. The question, then, is: who are they covering for?

Follow the money...

Who stands to profit from the devastation in Santa Rosa the most? Obviously, the charred and flattened neighborhoods will be purchased for pennies on the dollar by some group who will eventually turn around and re-sell at enormous markup and reap a massive fortune.

And who will gain from the destruction of our outdoor marijuana crop?

If we look at these data points dispassionately, there is only one conclusion to be reached - a cartel of underground hydroponic weed growers and Chinese real estate investors have formed an alliance and infiltrated the public utilities, utilizing their space-based energy weapon in an attempt to control the Republic of California.


10/9 at 17:00 Pacific:

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2017/10/1 ... 675,40.524

10/9 at 18:00 Pacific:

https://earth.nullschool.net/#2017/10/1 ... 523,38.913

See for yourself: https://earth.nullschool.net/

All Clear on 10/8:

Image

https://i.imgur.com/crNr0bl.jpg

Everything burning on 10/9

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https://i.imgur.com/HUxXZHX.jpg

See for yourself: https://worldview.earthdata.nasa.gov

These were all major fires. They all started in the same region of California. Most of the biggest fires started within one hour of each other. The rest started within 12 hours of the first blaze. All were major fires. The individual fires make up more than half of the top 10 most destructive fires in Northern California history.

Yes, the conditions were perfect for these fires to spread. However, fires do not light themselves. Someone or some thing has to start them.

Why would you denigrate the very real possibility of arson when the authorities are still considering it as one of the most viable explanations?
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:19 pm

So you're now an expert on the psyche of arsonists, stickdog? Really, not that many crimes of arson involve profit as most arson crimes are committed by mentally ill people we call "pyromaniacs," to sate their own fantasy. https://tinyurl.com/ybfwgrll

This is why I have great difficulty engaging you in a discussion, stickdog, I ask you what the possible motive would be for starting the fires and you tell me it would be the same as any arsonist's, and that's no answer at all, but more of an evasion.


Evasion? LOL.

How should I know the motive of the arsonist(s)? As I said, I assume it would be the same as any arsonist's motive. My point was only that it would be no more surprising than any arson, which are committed for a variety of reasons including thrill seeking and financial motivations.

But are you telling me that arsonists typically set off a series of wildfires to watch thousands of acres burn while masturbating to their handiwork? For what vantage point do these pyromaniacs enjoy themselves? Since you are the expert here, I would love to see the data on what percentage of wildfires are attributed to pyromaniacs.

"We warned you this could happen."

Hey, it's better than directed energy as a first guess.


Not sure I am understanding. The conditions were obviously right for these wildfires to spread quickly and fiercely. But someone or something had to spark each individual fire. Are you saying someone did this because they were angry the land had not been cleared?
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:24 pm

Okay, I didn't mean to attribute Santa Ana winds to the northern counties. So the "Sonoma Winds" were actually gusting up to 79 mph.


Were they? Or was that just a false report from PG&E to try to cover their asses?
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:32 pm

Rory » 19 Oct 2017 20:43 wrote:Sure. They exist in completely different climates, caused by completely different mechanisms


Indeed

The Diablo winds are created by the combination of strong inland high pressure at the surface, strongly sinking air aloft, and lower pressure off the California coast. The air descending from aloft as well as from the Coast Ranges compresses at sea level where it warms as much as 20 °F (11 °C), and loses humidity.

Unlike the Santa Ana wind which drains surface air off the high deserts, the so-called Diablo wind mainly originates from areas of strongly sinking air aloft, associated with the development of high atmospheric pressure inland following the passage of storms just north and east of California. The similar, though distinctive mechanisms can be distinguished by where the strongest winds in each type of event occur. Typically, Santa Anas are strongest in canyons whereas a Diablo wind is first noted and blows strongest atop the various mountain peaks and ridges around the Bay Area. In both cases, as the air sinks, it heats up by compression and its humidity drops. This heat is in addition to, and usually greater than, any heat picked up by the wind as it crosses the Central Valley and the Diablo Valley. This is the reverse of the normal summertime weather pattern in which a trough of low rather than high pressure lies east of the Bay Area, drawing in cooler, more humid air from the ocean. If the pressure gradient is large enough, the dry offshore wind can become quite strong with gusts reaching speeds of 40 miles per hour (64 km/h) or higher, particularly along and in the lee of the ridges of the Coast Range where the higher wind speed aloft acts like a pump, drawing warm, dry surface air from the windward eastern side up and over the ridgelines. This effect is especially dangerous with respect to wildfires as it can enhance the updraft generated by the heat in such fires.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/12/c ... -strength/

The heavy winds that downed power lines Sunday night at the start of the deadly wildfires raging across Northern California were far from “hurricane strength,” as PG&E has claimed, according to a review of weather station readings.

On Tuesday, the Bay Area News Group reported that Sonoma County emergency dispatchers sent fire crews to at least 10 reports of downed power lines and exploding transformers as the North Bay fires were starting around 9:22 p.m.

In response, PG&E said that “hurricane strength winds in excess of 75 mph in some cases” had damaged their equipment, but they said it was too early to speculate about what started the fires.

However, wind speeds were only about half that level, as the lines started to come down, the weather station records show. At a weather station in north Santa Rosa where the Tubbs fire started, the peak wind gusts at 9:29 p.m. hit 30 mph. An hour later, they were 41 mph.

Similarly, at another weather station east of the city of Napa, on Atlas Peak, where the Atlas fire started, wind gusts at 9:29 p.m. peaked at 32 mph. An hour later they were 30 mph.

Both speeds were substantially under the speed that power lines must be able to withstand winds under state law: at least 56 mph.


“This is classic PG&E — trying to spin things without first taking a look at the hard facts,” said Burlingame attorney Frank Pitre. “The winds were well within the threshold of design standards. If they failed, this was a failure in their system.”
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:35 pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/17/cal-fir ... rrest.html

Sonoma County Sheriff Robert Giordano said Tuesday an arson suspect arrested Sunday is known to local law enforcement and remains in custody.

"Our arson arrest involves someone who is known to the deputies," said Giordano. He went on to say the suspect frequents Maxwell Farms Regional Park in Sonoma and "is known to sleep there."

The wildfires now raging in Northern California have claimed at least 41 lives and are responsible for the loss of more than 5,700 structures in several counties, including Sonoma and Napa. The fires wiped out entire neighborhoods in portions of Santa Rosa, the largest city in Sonoma County.

Dozens of people remain missing, and around 200 search and rescue workers were in the field Tuesday conducting searches for more possible victims of the disaster. Authorities also said they are using drones to find hot spots still in scorched areas.

Cal Fire said "repopulations" of evacuated areas remain a "priority." Over the last 24 hours, the state agency said 13,956 homes and 36,225 people were repopulated. "That's a pretty brisk pace and about as fast as we can do it," said a Cal Fire official.

Recent reports have cited PG&E's power lines as a possible cause of some of the current wildfires.

Despite the arson arrest, Cal Fire said it continues to investigate the cause of the various fires in Northern California.

"Cal Fire investigators continue to work on cause and determination," Bret Gouvea, a Cal Fire incident commander, told reporters at a press briefing Tuesday afternoon in Sonoma County. "And they are working closely with local law enforcement on those efforts to find a cause for each one of these fires."


The arson suspect is Jesus Fabian Gonzales, 29, Sgt. Spencer Crum, a spokesman for the Sonoma County Sheriff's Office told CNBC. Crum described him as "a transient out of Sonoma" and said the suspect was "arrested for setting a small fire in a park in Sonoma on Sunday."

Speaking at the Tuesday afternoon press conference, Giordano said the arson suspect was seen "walking away from a small fire" and stopped by deputies. Also, the suspect allegedly had "a fire extinguisher and a lighter with him," said the sheriff.

Giordano said the suspect was asked whether he started the fire and responded that "he started the fire to warm himself up — something to that effect."

In an SEC regulatory filing Friday, PG&E's parent company acknowledged that the causes of the fires are being investigated by Cal Fire, adding that the probe includes "the possible role of power lines and other facilities" of its Pacific Gas & Electric utility subsidiary.

The San Francisco-based utility has about $800 million in liability insurance for potential losses in connection with the wildfires, according to its SEC filing.

"If the amount of insurance is insufficient to cover the utility's liability or if insurance is otherwise unavailable, PG&E Corp's and the utility's financial condition or results of operations could be materially affected," the company's filing stated.

On Tuesday, PG&E shares closed up 7.5 percent. It recouped some of the losses from the past few days following investors getting nervous about its potential liability over the current wildfires.

An attorney specializing in wildfire lawsuits said PG&E could potentially be on the hook for up to $6 billion in damages if found liable for the deadly Northern California wildfires.
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:37 pm

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

Sonoma County Sheriff Rob Giordano on Tuesday afternoon tried to tamp down speculation that Gonzalez was responsible for the fires that have killed more than 40 people in Northern California and destroyed thousands of homes.

“There is no indication that he is responsible for these fires,” Giordano said.

Websites Breitbart and InfoWars linked Gonzalez’s arrest to the deadly wildfires.

Breitbart reported, “The U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement Agency (ICE) issued a detainer request on the Sonoma County Jail for Jesus Fabian Gonzalez, who was arrested Sunday on suspicion of arson in Wine Country fires that have killed at least 40 residents.”

Apparently responding to those stories, the Sacramento Bee quoted the sheriff as saying:

There is a story out there that he’s the arsonist in these fires. That’s not the case. There’s no indication he’s related to these fires at all. ... I wanted to kill that speculation right now, so we didn’t have things running too far out of control.”
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:39 pm

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 774572001/

The Press Democrat reported Gonzalez was walking out of creek area with a plume of smoke behind him in the Maxwell Farms Regional Park in Sonoma.

Three Sonoma County Probation Officers patrolling the area because of the larger fires spotted Gonzalez, who told them he’d started the fire because he was cold, Sonoma County Sheriff’s Sgt. Spencer Crum told the Press Democrat.

The fire was extinguished before it got out of control, the paper reported.


So it was not the homeless immigrant whodunnit after all!
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:47 pm

Nordic » 19 Oct 2017 21:06 wrote:Anyone else find it kind of funny that on a board about conspiracies, one that actually got pretty well-known, there is now a permanently parked group of people ready to shoot down and mock anyone posting anything that might suggest a conspiracy?

Having not been here in a very long time, and seeing this place with fresh eyes, this kind of sticks out.

I will now be mocked and derided for suggesting there could be a conspiracy involved in a conspiracy forum.


I think you may have the wrong place. This is now the James Rigorous Intuition Foundation or JRIF for short.
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:51 pm

wrong thread. sorry
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby PufPuf93 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:37 pm

Many arsons, especially forest arsons, are caused by fire fighters unfortunately. The motives are of three types: the want for work, the hateful individual, and the want to be a hero.

FEMA even has a 45 page pdf handbook on firefighter arson.

https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf ... tr-141.pdf

If one searches on firefighter arson, there are many instances.

Forest fire arson is also a recognized tool of terrorist (who are probably not firefighter).


There are major fires caused by arsonists now burning in Portugal and Spain.

Driving through the killer inferno: Terrifying moment motorist escapes wildfires blamed on 'terrorist arsonists' that have claimed dozens of lives in Portugal and Spain

Authorities in Portugal said that at least 35 people died and dozens were injured by wildfires in the country

The government in Portugal declared a state of emergency for regions north of the Tajo river during the fires 

In the northwestern Spanish region of Galicia, four people have died and thousands have been evacuated

Authorities in both countries said that the strong winds from Hurricane Ophelia have fanned the wildfires

Investigators in both countries have questioned if the fires were started by human and criminal causes


Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4w0JewO48
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:27 am

Did Negligence Cause the California Wildfires?

The flames that have ripped across Northern California’s wine country over the past week scorched almost a quarter-million acres and destroyed 6,700 homes. A majority of the 42 who died were senior citizens — some had celebrated half-century old marriages and survived World War II.

One couple spent their final moments holding each other, as fire consumed the house they’d lived in for the last four decades.

The causes of the inferno have not been confirmed — guesses range from a discarded cigarette to arson — but reports emerged that numerous residents had dialed 911 prior to the fires to notify authorities of downed power lines and exploding electrical transformers. No tapes of such calls have yet been produced.

To the extent that these reports are sound, it may be that Pacific Gas and Electric Co. (PG&E) — California’s largest public energy utility — is responsible for the fires.

Making a move that may be the first of many legal actions, a Santa Rosa couple who lost their abode sued the company Tuesday for failing to maintain its power lines.

PG&E, whose stock has plunged 18.7% since October 9, has been found liable for several wildfires in the past. Following a 1994 Sierra Nevada blaze, the company was convicted of 739 counts of criminal negligence for tree-trimming violations.

In April, regulators fined PG&E $8.3 million for maintenance failures that led to the incineration of 500 Northern Californian homes in 2015.

State Sen. Jerry Hill, D-San Mateo, called for the company to be “split” and expelled from California should its negligence be tied to the recent North Bay fires.

The damage inflicted around Santa Rosa will far surpass those of past wildfires. Economic losses are expected to reach $3 to $6 billion. If lawsuits pile up and investigators decide to pursue charges, PG&E could face liabilities exceeding $12 billion.

Aware of that grim prospect, CEO Geisha Williams points to a larger threat: climate change. During the recent drought emergency (declared “over” by Governor Jerry Brown in April), record high temperatures made California’s fire-prone vegetation even more combustible.

Breezy, bay-hugging San Francisco hit 106 degrees in September. Outside the state, warmer oceans have fueled the recent Category 4 and 5 hurricanes that have devastated parts of Texas, Florida and Puerto Rico.

PG&E has earned praise for the job it is doing to restore power and gas in the impacted areas.

Hot dry winds raged at over 70mph when three fires each tore through a different county Monday night. Even if PG&E’s power lines had been in impeccable condition, they likely would have still been subject to some damage from gale.

Because California has already passed the most ambitious climate laws in the country, the burden falls on utilities and regulators to guard citizens against hazardous conditions and minimize the economic damages of natural disasters.

But if the ferocious storms of 2017 were an augury of seasons to come, it may be naive to believe that trimmed trees and fire-proof poles, though necessary, can alone prevent another deadly blaze.

In the video below, VICE News follows a crew of firefighters for 24 hours as they attempt to extinguish raging flames in Northern California.
https://whowhatwhy.org/2017/10/21/negli ... wildfires/
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Re: Wild theory about Santa Rosa wildfires

Postby Burnt Hill » Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:06 am

Nordic wrote:Anyone else find it kind of funny that on a board about conspiracies, one that actually got pretty well-known, there is now a permanently parked group of people ready to shoot down and mock anyone posting anything that might suggest a conspiracy?


Baloney.
Most here have a sharp eye for potential conspiracy.
And a lot of us also see weaknesses in such theories, and we point them out.
That is the way its been since day 1 here.

Also, weren't you one of the most vocal opponents of a former extreme conspiracy theorist here?
You are a hypocrite who appears to have lost his humanity.
But your opinions will always be welcome here, unless of course you are now going to be a drive through critic.
Offer your ideas, be prepared to back them up, and quit complaining.
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