The American Asylum

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Re: The American Asylum

Postby peartreed » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:23 pm

Blue’s first post on this thread directed the topic to those members residing outside the U.S. While I live just north of the border in Canada, I own property and reside a small part of the year in the states. That’s why I feel like a concerned, close relative watching Asylum America devolve from the formerly respected ally and friend.

The epitome of that devolution is personified in your current President, an embarrassment and a laughingstock as a dangerous clown on the world stage.

Trump’s election is seen as an overreaction of antiestablishment frustration combined with the public gullibility in mistakenly equating celebrity with competence and capability in power. Now the entire world is in danger from his megalomaniacal ineptitude. We are all watching and waiting for his removal.

Somewhat ironically, the rest of the thread exchanges illustrate another example of egocentric excess and cruel commentary from yet another ignoramus who shows no empathy or consideration for the human sources and insightful substance of more enlightened opposition. Asylum America has more than one destructive inmate.
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Re: The American Asylum

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Re: The American Asylum

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:02 pm

Here's how I read this thread.

"Whoa is America because I find it politically convenient to believe that a white millionaire shot scores of strangers for no reason. Since millionaire white males gunning down country music fans for no reason matches my own political worldview and not that of my perceived political opponents, I am ashamed to live in a nation in which some individuals can express mistrust with any of the information the FBI has released about this event!"

"Yes, exactly! I couldn't be more ashamed of people questioning official pronouncements than I am right now! It is mortifying!"


I suppose I am a rare animal because I really don't care about the politics of false accusations of mass murder, so I will defend the motiveless millionaire against them as almost as strenuously as I will defend the even more absurd dynamic Muslim Mr. and Mrs. Smith duo. When nobody else will defend corpses that have been summarily convicted of mass murder without evidence, I feel this is my duty to fill the vacuum regardless of the political ramifications.

Yes, Hillary would have been at least slightly better than the Donald. Yes, Alex Jones and all of his ilk are harmful idiots who are useful tools in hastening the devolution of political landscape. Yes, Faux News is the only major media outlet questioning the officially sanctioned narrative because this narrative perfectly fits the preconceived notions of CNN and MSNBC audiences. But that doesn't make the officially sanctioned narrative of Paddock's lone motiveless rampage and the LVPD's response to it any more believable to me personally. Your colored lens vision may vary.

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Re: The American Asylum

Postby Burnt Hill » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:06 pm

If this was an op then why wouldn't they give Paddock a motive?
It would have been easy to conjure up.
If this was a planned op, the motive would be obvious - it wouldn't be a loose end.
Unless that's the psy-op they wanted of course.

* Maybe wrong thread, I am leaving it. Sorry.
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Re: The American Asylum

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:10 pm

Why don't you single out those you feel are defending Paddock, or the FBI, stickdog? Or do you only paint your fellow RI contributors with a broad brush-off?

I've not heard or read one thing from the FBI about this incident and you sure seem sure this was an FBI planned event. Again, I'll ask, What is the FBI's motive in this case?

What would be their motive to have a fucking Millionaire play murderer? I mean, who would fall for that? Everyone knows millionaires never kill anybody and certainly never so many if one were to engage in such an absurd criminal activity. Sure, the Millionaire did it.

Every fucking reason you've given for blaming the FBI is contradictory to your claim that Millionaires don't commit mass murder. They pick the one guy out of a gazillion who it's impossible to believe committed these crimes because he's a millionaire.

FBI guy: "Hey, I know! We can get the most unlikely guy to set up as a patsy and they'll never suspect us!"

Do you ever think through your theories?
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Re: The American Asylum

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:21 am

You guys are 100% right. It's exactly that fact that Paddock had no motive whatsoever to do this that makes his guilt so incontrovertible! Thanks for setting me straight with your clear thinking criminology!
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Re: The American Asylum

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 23, 2017 12:51 am

Who here has targeted and laid blame on Paddock, stickdog? No one, that's who. None of us knows the truth, and no one has stated they do, so stop pretending your point of view is the only acceptable.

Btw, that was another piss-poor response from you that ignores all points raised and offers nothing of substance in rebuttal.
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Re: The American Asylum

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:16 am

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Shame, shame on me for distilling all of your "points" and then swigging them in one gulp.
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Re: The American Asylum

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:31 am

Why should any engage with such immature responses? You're not engaging in criticism or discussion and seem unable to answer a most basic question regarding motive. Sadly, you seem to have misunderstood my earlier comment because if you hadn't you would never have had written this foolishness:
You guys are 100% right. It's exactly that fact that Paddock had no motive whatsoever to do this that makes his guilt so incontrovertible! Thanks for setting me straight with your clear thinking criminology!


I'm done with you, stickdog, at least for this thread. I offered you ample opportunity for you to make your case and you've got nuthin' but insults for others trying to discuss this shooting as mature adults.
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Re: The American Asylum

Postby Blue » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:17 am

stickdog99 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:02 pm wrote:Here's how I read this thread.

"Whoa is America because I find it politically convenient to believe that a white millionaire shot scores of strangers for no reason. Since millionaire white males gunning down country music fans for no reason matches my own political worldview and not that of my perceived political opponents, I am ashamed to live in a nation in which some individuals can express mistrust with any of the information the FBI has released about this event!"

"Yes, exactly! I couldn't be more ashamed of people questioning official pronouncements than I am right now! It is mortifying!"


Um, fantasize much? You sound so persecuted. You keep referring to me as your "political opponent" for some unknown reason. And you most certainly are putting words in my mouth about the shame part. I never once said I buy the entire official story 100% but you are 100% convinced he didn't do it because WHITE MALE MILLIONAIRE.

It's the simple things really. A lot of commentary is just ignorant. People who don't believe anyone can make money on video poker obviously never go to casinos. I personally know 3 people from small town nowhere who have won $250,000+ on slots. Now long term, the odds are that Paddock could not beat the house. So the logical answer is that he was not only a crazyass mass murderer but a pathological liar and a secretive shit. He won a lot of money but supplemented it somehow with guns, drugs, your choice. He was an accountant and real estate dude, two fields notorious for cooking the books.

Blaming the entire event, once again, on the FBI/CIA/Your Choice would require believing in a conspiracy so incredibly vast to defy reality. We're talking thousands of employees, hospital personnel, police, witnesses, etc. etc. Anyone who does not believe that this was some kind of government op must be in on it or is a sheeple who believes every word the government says.
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Re: The American Asylum

Postby 0_0 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:50 am

Blue wrote: People who don't believe anyone can make money on video poker obviously never go to casinos


lol

Blue wrote: I personally know 3 people from small town nowhere who have won $250,000+ on slots


get out of here!

Blue wrote:. Now long term, the odds are that Paddock could not beat the house


i'd have to agree 100% with that

Blue wrote:Blaming the entire event, once again, on the FBI/CIA/Your Choice would require believing in a conspiracy so incredibly vast to defy reality.


that old chestnut..
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Re: The American Asylum

Postby DrEvil » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:12 pm

Blue » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:41 pm wrote:^^^ Good sample, Dr. Evil.

And I do believe Mr. Rex is right. The Asylum's boundaries extend beyond Amurika. But we are the seething center of ecstatic derangement that emanates through the pipeline of Exceptionalist Culture that bleeds into societies around the world. They used to want to be here or at least be like us, then they watched us like a train wreck, now they recoil in horror except for those who became impaired themselves.

As far as Ellen, the almighty goes, if this was an earlier decade Campos would be on the Merv Griffith show or the Montel show or the David Letterman show. This isn't new. The guy is the first victim of the shooting. He's not the sheriff, it's not his job to reveal all the details of the case on any show so I don't get this intense scrutiny of a security guard whose previous job duties were escorting out drunks and cheaters.

Thanks for the Jack vids, slad.


I agree, it's not just the US going to hell. I'm seeing more and more of what you could call "compulsive narrative syndrome" (which is an entirely made up scifi term from Joel Shepherd's novels, but it's a great term so I'm shamelessly stealing it), where people live in their little algorithmically driven, self-reinforcing narrative bubbles, feeding you more info to support your established biases and weeding out contrarian views, eventually turning people into fanatics of whatever variety their self-selected bubble determines.
And you can't argue with fanatics. Showing them the counter-point only reinforces their already held beliefs, ironically enough making them even more fanatical.

And it's all because of fucking advertising revenue. :wallhead:
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Re: The American Asylum

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:56 pm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_3Qg-SADY

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I'm tired and forgot to add these links:

What I Learned From An International Arms Dealer

Kevin Kruse Sep 12, 2016 @ 02:56 PM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinkruse/2016/09/12/what-i-learned-from-an-international-arms-dealer/#7415f53e54a0

The US Government Is Literally Arming the World, and Nobody’s Even Talking About It

William D. Hartung Jul. 30, 2016 10:00 AM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/tomdispatch-dc-congress-defense-international-arms-business/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry
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Re: The American Asylum

Postby minime » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:15 am

Geolocating the asyla distances you from the big picture.
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Re: The American Asylum

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:00 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:59 am wrote:No. You're not just having differences of opinions with people: you are at pains to make it clear they are simpering morons for disagreeing with you.

Your style is what transports it from "we're just discussing the issues" into people feeling bullied.

Perhaps being more vocal about allowing for the fact people might be simply disagreeing with you -- rather than, say, suckling from the teat of the Spectacle like a brain damaged slave who lacks the mental capacity to even understand your points, let alone engage with them to your satisfaction -- might yield different results. Different approaches often do.

I don't expect anything, just trying to be constructive.

You've transformed this thread into a referendum on you. That's not self-defense, just self-involvement. It's also a compelling case for the "American Asylum" being a much broader problem.



In fact no. The author of the OP, one "Blue", did that:

MacCruiskeen » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:50 am wrote:
Blue » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:32 pm wrote:Just wanted to put this out there to our RI friends outside the US.

It's a very difficult place to live here in the USA since Trump became the "leader." I would guesstimate that about 80% of the population went batshit nuts when it was announced Trump became President. Both nuts for and nuts against. The other 20% are just fucking trying to survive.

Fake News PizzaGate which has morphed into Fake News VegasGate is another example of the sick, twisted hoaxes being perpetrated upon the beat down American citizenry.

It's sad to see the amount of bullshit that is posted here and the continued support of members who post the bs who make egregious attacks on other members.


It's 25 degrees above normal in parts of the US so maybe Summer Madness will never end....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_1etTOVO1E


Easy for you to say, as a mere spectator of that thread. Precisely what is bullshit there? State why it you think is bullshit, and provide evidence in support of your arguments.

PS "PizzaGate" has precisely nothing to do with the massacre in Las Vegas. To claim that it does is bullshit.


Of course no reply was forthcoming, because there is no there there. It is pure bluff. Pointing this out presumably counts as an "egregious attack", in "Blue's" book.

In any case. it was demonstrably not I who made this a referendum about me. It was she. And it was she who went on the attack.

And of course her sidekick had to double down on it:

Heaven Swan » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:24 pm wrote:
Blue » Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:32 pm wrote:Just wanted to put this out there to our RI friends outside the US.

It's a very difficult place to live here in the USA since Trump became the "leader." I would guesstimate that about 80% of the population went batshit nuts when it was announced Trump became President. Both nuts for and nuts against. The other 20% are just fucking trying to survive.

Fake News PizzaGate which has morphed into Fake News VegasGate is another example of the sick, twisted hoaxes being perpetrated upon the beat down American citizenry.

It's sad to see the amount of bullshit that is posted here and the continued support of members who post the bs who make egregious attacks on other members.

It's 25 degrees above normal in parts of the US so maybe Summer Madness will never end....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_1etTOVO1E


I agree Blue. The Las Vegas you tube stuff and even our thread on it are a disgrace, MRAs and far-right wingers, and walking combinations of the two have seized onto the conspiracy narrative and are flooding the internet with half-baked BS. There used to be more careful analysis here at RI...or maybe I was greener and more easily hoodwinked.

I know that secret societies, Gladio type operations and MK Ultra are real but if I hadn't done the time-consuming research I have, and had just read the stuff on Las Vegas I might dismiss conspiracy, (or 'deep state') theories as a bunch of ranting by lunatics.

I was in Europe for a month and a half and being away from the US madness for a while saved my sanity. I could maybe move to Europe but I'm not only interested in an individual solution (and besides, Europe is highly influenced by the US so there's no real escape).

I'd love to discuss this stuff calmly, rationally and intelligently, along with brainstorming of ideas about what to do about the deep state conspiracies, but I agree that in the political insane asylum atmosphere both in and outside of RI that level of discourse seems unattainable.

That's not to say that I'm not grateful for SLAD, Project Willow and quite a few others who post valuable information that might be hard for me to find on my own.


This was of course before I had addressed her even once. For the record.

She* then proceeded to call me an "abusive bully" (sic) and one post later "a male abuser" (sic), and this in the middle of Harvey Weinstein Week. Only then, halfway down page 2, did I finally turn a bit testy in response, and no bloody wonder. I am under no obligation to let myself be shat on repeatedly and I reserve the right to defend myself. Not least since no Moderator was around to defend me from it, only to demand that I be endlessly magnanimous in the face of it. (Which, NB, is at least an acknowledgement that I was in fact suffering abuse.) Your interventions have only served to open the floodgates.

By the way, I showed this thread to an American woman whose feminist & socialist credentials are unquestionable, and if you think my response to HS's abuse was rude, you should have seen her response to it. The kindest words in it were "Clintonite", "navel-gazing", and "dripping with entitlement". (Also: "sly".)

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* If it is in fact a she. Who the hell knows, on the internet. Certainly the alleged "feminism" of the self-described Heavenly Swan is every bit as generic, vacuous, secondhand, ersatz, opportunistic and Americocentric as American Dream's alleged "leftism". Sometimes even the prettiest gift-box is quite empty, or else it contains only a horse's head.
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