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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:48 pm

Saudi Arabia arrests princes, ex-ministers in anti-corruption drive
The arrests came hours after King Salman Bin Abdul Aziz established an anti corruption committee
Published: 01:31 November 5, 2017
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Dubai: Saudi authorities have arrested a number of princes and former ministers on corruption charges, a Saudi broadcaster said on Saturday.
The arrests came hours after King Salman Bin Abdul Aziz established an anti corruption committee, headed by Crown Prince Mohammad Bin Salman.

“Ten princes and dozens of former ministers have been arrested on corruption charges,” Al Arabiya TV said quoting unnamed sources in Riyadh.
Earlier the king issued a Royal Decree forming a supreme committee headed by the Crown Prince to fight corruption in public finance.
The members of the supreme committee will be the Chairman of the Monitoring and Investigation Commission, Chairman of the National Anti-Corruption Authority, Chief of the General Audit Bureau, Attorney General and Head of State Security.

“The Committee will identify offenses, crimes, persons and entities involved in cases of public corruption. It will investigate, issue arrest warrants, impose travel ban, disclose and freeze accounts and portfolios, track funds, assets and prevent their remittance or transfer by persons and entities,” the decree said.
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The anti-corruption committee was formed by royal decree and is headed by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
A new Saudi anti-corruption body has detained 11 princes, four sitting ministers and dozens of former ministers, media reports say.
Those detained were not named and it is not clear what they are suspected of.
However, Saudi broadcaster Al-Arabiya said fresh investigations had been launched into the 2009 Jeddah floods and the outbreak of the Mers virus which emerged in Saudi Arabia in 2012.
The detentions came hours after the new anti-corruption committee was formed.
It is headed by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and has the power to issue arrest warrants and travel bans, the state-owned Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported.
Who is Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman?
Separately, the heads of the Saudi National Guard and the navy were replaced in a series of high-profile sackings.
SPA said King Salman had dismissed National Guard minister Prince Miteb bin Abdullah and navy commander Admiral Abdullah bin Sultan bin Mohammed Al-Sultan.
No official explanation was given for their removal.
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Trump urges Saudi Arabia to list state oil company on N.Y. stock exchange
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Jared Kushner traveled unannounced to Saudi Arabia
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:14 pm

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Prince who recently refused to give Kushner as much money as he needed just got arrested in a Saudi “corruption sweep.”



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The Trump/Saudi/Putin oil triangle should be on Mueller’s radar screen


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Shortly after Jared Kushner departs Saudi Arabia, major arrests are now underway
Bill Palmer
Updated: 8:03 pm EDT Sat Nov 4, 2017
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When it was revealed last Friday night that Special Counsel Robert Mueller was about to begin making arrests in Donald Trump’s Russia scandal: one key detail stood out: Jared Kushner was secretly out of the country. No one knows what he was in Saudi Arabia for, and Trump’s White House still refuses to explain it, but in any case Kushner returned home and he was not among those arrested. However, Saudi Arabia has suddenly plunged into a state of chaos with major arrests and a potential regime change underway, raising questions about just what Kushner was doing over there – and what Donald Trump was tweeting about this morning.


This evening the royal family of Saudi Arabia arrested one of its own most powerful members, Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, a multibillionaire international investor, according to a CNBC report (link). Others have also been arrested and/or ousted from the government. This is being officially referred to as a corruption crackdown, but in authoritarian regimes, that’s often code for an attempted regime change. Then there’s Jared Kushner.


We do know that Kushner has long been tasked with the vague goal of establishing Middle East peace for the Donald Trump administration, though he has no skills to make that happen, and there has never been any evidence that he has any real strategy or plan. His recent trip to Saudi Arabia, and the White House’s insistence on keeping the details of the trip a secret, strongly suggest that it was not an above-board trip. Then this morning Donald Trump tweeted this: “Would very much appreciate Saudi Arabia doing their IPO of Aramco with the New York Stock Exchange. Important to the United States!” Then the New York Times (link) revealed a new deal between Saudi Arabia and Russia.

So now we have Jared Kushner taking a secret trip to Saudi Arabia with a secret mission, then Donald Trump suddenly and publicly courts Saudi Arabian business, then a few hours later Saudi Arabia and Russia strike a deal, and a few hours after that, members of the Saudi Arabian royal family no appear to be trying to oust each other in a power struggle that could lead to regime change. What the heck is going on?
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Saudi Arabia Arrests 11 Princes, Including Billionaire Waleed bin Talal

By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICKNOV. 4, 2017

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LONDON — Saudi Arabia announced the arrest on Saturday night of the prominent billionaire investor Prince al-Waleed bin Talal, plus at least 10 other princes, four ministers and tens of former ministers.

The announcement of the arrests was made over Al Arabiya, the Saudi-owned satellite network whose broadcasts are officially approved.

The sweeping campaign of arrests appears to be the latest move to consolidate the power of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the favorite son and top adviser of King Salman.

The king had decreed the creation of a powerful new anticorruption committee, headed by the crown prince, only hours before the committee ordered the arrests.

Al Arabiya said that the anticorruption committee has the right to investigate, arrest, ban from travel or freeze the assets of anyone it deems corrupt.

Saudi Arabia is an executive monarchy without a written constitution or independent government institution such as a Parliament or courts, so accusations of corruption are difficult to evaluate. The boundaries between the public funds and the wealth of the royal family are murky at best, and corruption, as other countries would describe it, is believed to be widespread.

The arrests came a few hours after the king replaced the minister in charge of the Saudi national guard, Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah, who controlled the last of the three Saudi armed forces not yet considered to be under control of Crown Prince Mohammed.

The king named Crown Prince Mohammed the minister of defense in 2015. This year, the king removed Prince Mohammed bin Nayef as head of the interior ministry, placing him under house arrest and extending the crown prince’s influence over that second armed force.

Rumors have swirled since then that King Salman and his favorite son would soon move against Prince Mutaib, commander of the third armed force and himself a former contender for the crown.
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Postby SonicG » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:54 pm

Add in the PM of Lebanon resigning and the Yemen missile attack...
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:01 pm

Trump pitches for $2 trillion Saudi Aramco oil float

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President Donald Trump has made a pitch to Saudi Arabia to float the world's biggest oil company in the US.

He tweeted: "Would very much appreciate Saudi Arabia doing their IPO of Aramco with the New York Stock Exchange. Important to the United States!"

The proposed share flotation will see 5% of the state-owned company sold in an Initial Public Offering next year.

It is expected to list domestically and on at least one foreign exchange with New York and London vying for the deal.

The Aramco IPO is expected to be the largest in history, raising around $100bn in revenue for the Saudi kingdom.

If listed in London, it could be worth up to £56bn for the London Stock Exchange.

Mr Trump was tweeting at the beginning of an 11-day trip to Asia which will take the president and First Lady Melania Trump to Japan, South Korea, China, Vietnam and the Philippines.

Prime Minister Theresa May met the boss of Saudi Aramco earlier this year.

During a trip to Saudi Arabia in April, Mrs May held talks with chairman Khalid Al-Falih, who is also Saudi Arabia's energy minister.

She was joined at the meeting by Xavier Rolet, chief executive of the London Stock Exchange.

The Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), the UK City watchdog, is currently consulting on whether to create a new category for sovereign-controlled companies who wish to list on the London Stock Exchange.

The proposal has prompted questions from both the Commons Treasury Select Committee and the Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy Committee over whether the FCA was politically influenced to alter the rules to help lure Saudi Aramco to London.

What's the fuss about Saudi Aramco and the London market?
MPs seek answers on Saudi Aramco listing
Aramco flotation remains on track for 2018
In a letter to both committees, FCA chief executive Andrew Bailey admitted that discussions with the world's biggest oil firm were held early this year.

But he said: "We do not think protections for investors will be weakened."

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Under existing UK listing rules, every time a company does a deal with an investor who controls a stake of 10% or more in the business, the company must get shareholder approval.

Relaxing this rule would mean Saudi Aramco could do deals with the Saudi government without shareholder approval.

The Treasury and the FCA declined to comment; The London Stock Exchange was unavailable.



Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, Vocal Trump-Hater, Arrested for Corruption
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Saudi Prince Alwaleed: Trump's policies have led to a $5 trillion boost in the US stock market
President Trump is correct in saying $5.3 trillion in U.S. stock market value has been created under his watch, the Saudi prince tells CNBC.
Alwaleed says the investments in his holding company, Kingdom Holding, have gone up "several billion dollars" since Trump was elected.
Matthew J. Belvedere | @Matt_Belvedere
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Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal: President Trump has his own way of governing Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal: President Trump has his own way of governing
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President Donald Trump is correct in saying $5.3 trillion in U.S. stock market value has been created under his watch, Saudi billionaire investor Prince Alwaleed bin Talal told CNBC on Monday.

Alwaleed said the investments in his holding company, Kingdom Holding, have gone up "several billion dollars" since Trump was elected in November. Kingdom Holding invests in many U.S. corporations, including Citigroup, Twitter, and ride-hailing service Lyft.

"Clearly, this [stock wealth] was created because of health care will be finalized and the tax reforms more importantly will be finalized also. There are a lot of good policies by Trump," the prince said in an exclusive interview on "Squawk Box" from the company's headquarters in Riyadh.

Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.
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Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.

"My company, Kingdom Holding, would benefit a lot from Trump's policies," he added, but warned the U.S. needs to keep an eye on budget deficits."

Alwaleed said people should accept Trump's style of making policy pronouncements on Twitter.

"President Trump has his own way of governing," Alwaleed said.

The prince also welcomed Trump's straight talk.

"When he said that Puerto Rico is bankrupt and Puerto Rico will never pay its debt, he's right. He is not wrong in this. But we're used to presidents being diplomatic and very politically correct," the prince said. "It's just like Greece. It's never going to pay its debt."

"When he says you should stand for the national anthem, he's right on this," Alwaleed said. "You have to respect your national anthem."

"He says America first. He is saying something [is] wrong. You expect him to say America is No. 2?" the prince said. "I hope he's successful in his presidency."
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Donald Trump’s tweet plunges Saudi Arabian government into regime-changing chaos
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Updated: 10:31 pm EDT Sat Nov 4, 2017
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Donald Trump just departed on a twelve day overseas trip to Asia. His staff is able to regularly supervise him during these trips, limiting his ability to sneak off and post a mentally incompetent Twitter meltdown. But he did manage to fire off a cryptic tweet on Saturday morning which seemed oddly specific: “Would very much appreciate Saudi Arabia doing their IPO of Aramco with the New York Stock Exchange. Important to the United States!” In the hours since, the government of Saudi Arabia has plunged itself into total chaos – and this can’t be a coincidence.



Just hours later, CNBC reported that the royal family of Saudi Arabia arrested one of its own wealthiest and most influential members, Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, who has invested his money heavily in American companies (link). Others were also ousted from governmental power, as the Crown Prince looks to seize full control over the nation, in what amounts to a partial regime change. Trump’s tweet was some kind of signal to the Crown Prince – and Jared Kushner’s secret visit to Saudi Arabia now sticks out like a sore thumb.



Kushner took the trip without the public knowing, and when the media subsequently asked about it, Trump’s White House declined to provide a satisfactory answer. Harvard Law Professor Laurene Tribe characterized Prince Alwaleed’s arrest in this manner: “This is the prince who stiffed Jared on his recent secret mission to Saudi, where of course Putin & Trump are in cahoots.” The company Trump referenced in his tweet, Aramco, is the official government-owned oil company of Saudi Arabia.



So the timeline now looks like this: Jared Kushner secretly traveled to Saudi Arabia and asked Prince Alwaleed to bail out his sinking personal fortunes. Alwaleed refused. One week later Donald Trump publicly invited the Saudi Arabian government to launch its IPO on the New York Stock Exchange. Hours later, the Saudi Arabian government arrested the Prince who had just refused to bail out Kushner. And because everything about Trump relates to Russia, Saudi Arabia just announced a major new oil deal with Russia.


Billionaire Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal arrested in corruption crackdown: Reports
Alwaleed Bin Talal, a member of the Saudi royal family, was reportedly detained on Saturday.
Saudi Arabia's royal family ousted key officials and arrested others in a sweeping anti-corruption drive.
Bin Talal is a very prominent investor with stakes in companies like Citigroup, Apple and Twitter, just to name a few.
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Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.
Mary Catherine Wellons | CNBC
Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.
Saudi Arabia's Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, a prominent member of the country's royal family and a wealthy investor, has been swept up in connection with a wide-ranging anti-corruption initiative, according to reports.

Saudi Arabia's King Salman removed a host of prominent officials in a sweeping crackdown, in which dozens of princes and former ministers were detained. News outlets, including Saudi-owned Al Arabiya, and The Wall Street Journal, reported Bin Talal was among those arrested. CNBC could not immediately confirm Bin Talal's status.

If verified, the arrest of Bin Talal would represent a jarring turn of events as the prince has cultivated an image as the de-facto public face of Saudi finance. It would also be the most dramatic chapter in the evolving narrative of Bin Salman, who has steadily consolidated his authority since his elevation to Defense Minister in early 2015.

Considered one of the most prominent members of the Saudi royal family, Bin Talal has been the subject of numerous profiles in U.S. and international publications. He has made numerous appearances on CNBC dispensing investment advice — such as last month, when he predicted bitcoin was little more than a speculative bubble that would soon "implode"

The billionaire is an American-educated philanthropist and investor who is heavily invested in U.S. corporate giants like Citigroup, Apple, 21st Century Fox and Twitter, just to name a few. Between 1991 and 1995, bin Talal came to the rescue of President Donald Trump, whose real estate empire was under strain. Bin Talal purchased a yacht, and invested in Trump's Plaza Hotel.

In 2015, Bin Talal announced he would donate his entire fortune to help build a "better world of tolerance, acceptance, equality and opportunity for all."

The anti-corruption sweep is taking place against a backdrop of reform in Saudi Arabia, and the impending launch of an initial public offering for state-owned oil giant Saudi Aramco next year. The IPO is expected to be the largest in history, and Aramco is widely expected to dual-list shares on an international exchange.
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Postby Burnt Hill » Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:18 am

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Welcome to NEOM, Saudi Arabia's $500-Billion Self-Governed Tech Hub of the Future
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In October 2017, five of the richest men in the world sat next to each other in Saudi Arabia’s capital Riyadh and with childlike excitement talked about their new shared dream: building Neom.

They were on stage at the first edition of the Future Investment Initiative, an event that gathered international business leaders to explore new economic opportunities for a country that hopes to be no longer dependent on oil revenues as it fulfills its “Vision 2030” program.

Panelists discussing the future of NeomPanelists discussing the future of Neom, from left to right: the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman; Masayoshi Son, chairman and CEO of the SoftBank Group Corp. of Japan; Stephen A. Schwartzman, chairman and co-founder of the Blackstone Group; Marc Raibert, CEO of Boston Dynamics; Klaus Kleinfeld, former chairman and CEO of Arconic Alcoa Inc., and Siemens AG.

Neom is to be the grandest manifestation of that vision. A city of the future, the likes of which the world has never seen—except maybe in science fiction books and movies. It is to be built from scratch on 10,231 square miles of untouched land in the northwestern region of Saudi Arabia, including territory from within the Egyptian and Jordanian borders.

It will be an independent zone, with its own regulations and social norms, created specifically to be in service of economic progress and the well-being of its citizens, in the hopes of attracting the world’s top talent and making Neom a hub of trade, innovation and creativity.
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Neom's terrain

Neom climate and locationNeom's location offers a terrain with mountains, deserts, 285 miles of coastline and coral reefs, as well as a moderate climate, with temperatures on average 10 degrees Celsius lower than the rest of Saudi Arabia / Credit: http://discoverneom.com/

While the scope of ambition for this urban project may be unprecedented for this century, its necessity is evident. With falling oil prices and declining demand, as well as insufficient investment opportunities at home, Saudi Arabia is searching for its place in the future.

It hopes to utilize another abundant natural resource: the sun. As Masayoshi Son, chairman and CEO of the SoftBank Group Corp. of Japan, said during the panel:

“Only 3% of the land of Saudi Arabia can provide over 50% of the electricity of the world, with today’s solar technology.”

Neom will not only become a test case for a zero-energy mega-city (with a size 33 times that of New York), but it will provide abundant opportunities for employment and investments within Saudi Arabia, attracting local and foreign money back to the country. The city’s vision is to be at the forefront of nine key economic sectors, including energy and water, biotech, advanced manufacturing, and food.

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The goal for Neom is to not only be able to provide for all of its energy needs via solar and wind power, but to also be an exporter / discoverneom.com
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Addressing a question about the political and social stability of the region,
Prince Mohammed bin Salman said:

“We were not like this in the past. We only want to go back to what we were — the moderate Islam that is open to the world, open to all the religions. [...] 70% of the Saudi people are less than 30 years old, and quite frankly we will not waste 30 years of our lives in dealing with extremist ideas.”

$500 billion has already been committed to the construction of Neom, with its first phase expected to be completed in 2025. The city will be owned by the Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund, overseen by a special authority, chaired by Prince Mohammed bin Salman. Excluding sovereign laws (pertaining to the military sector, foreign policy and sovereign decision), Neom will have its own governmental framework, including different taxation, customs and labor laws.

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Neom has a strategic coastal Red Sea location close to international markets and trade routes. Approximately 10% of the world’s trade flows through the Red Sea and 70% of the world’s population can reach it in under eight hours flight. / discoverneom.com
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Marc Reibert of Boston Dynamics emphasized that the success of the project will depend on attracting the right talent ("dreamers" are welcome) and creating the right culture of innovation that will allow for building this technological city of the future, where all services and processes will be entirely automated, food will be grown in the desert, drones will fly in the skies, and there will be a full-scale e-government.

At this initial stage it is unclear what Neom will look like, but we may get a taster thanks to another “future city” project to be built in Canada albeit on a much smaller scale.
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Sidewalk Labs, owned by Alphabet has committed $50 million to develop 12 acres in the Quayside area of Toronto in a public-private partnership with the city. The plan is to build a mini digital city, using a range of smart technologies, sustainable energy and autonomous cars, that will eventually become the home of Google’s Canadian headquarters.

Of course, redeveloping an area within a city and building a city from scratch are two entirely different endeavors, especially when the ambition for the latter is to “be the most exciting, fulfilling place to live and work on the planet. A tribute to humanity’s timeless ambition, the herald of a new era and a new standard for centuries to come.”

History can provide us with its fair share of examples where humanity’s vision of would-be utopian cities did not manifest itself the way it was intended. Hopefully, given the fact that both Neom and Sidewalk Toronto are intended to be commercial projects, things will pan out differently.
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Postby SonicG » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:13 am

Oh my...The highlighted quote is, of course, juicy...Many eyes are on Asia and Trump but the Middle East is...well...feeling their Niburu approaching I guess...
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:41 am

WHAT HAPPENED IN SAUDI ARABIA LAST NIGHT — AND HOW WASHINGTON CORRUPTION ENABLED IT
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November 5 2017, 8:16 a.m.
THE MASS ARREST of high-ranking Saudi businessmen, media figures and royal family members Saturday has shaken the global business community. Among 10 other princes and 38 others, the roundup netted Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, one of the world’s richest men, who owns significant shares in everything from Citibank to Twitter to the parent company of Fox News.

Prince Alwaleed has done business with President Donald Trump in the past, but during the campaign turned into a fiery critic, drawing Trump’s Twitter ire.

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Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. Can’t do it when I get elected. #Trump2016
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The move against Alwaleed and the other officials was couched as the result of a secret investigation carried out by a “high committee on fighting corruption.” Minister of Education Dr. Ahmed bin Mohammed Al-Issa “hailed the royal decree,” according to the Saudi Press Agency, saying, “this committee heralds a future of firmness against those who are trying to to undermine the capabilities of the homeland.”

Whatever the official explanation, it is being read around the world as a power grab by the kingdom’s rising crown prince. “The sweeping campaign of arrests appears to be the latest move to consolidate the power of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the favorite son and top adviser of King Salman,” as the New York Times put it. “The king had decreed the creation of a powerful new anti-corruption committee, headed by the crown prince, only hours before the committee ordered the arrests.”

The men are being held, as The Intercept reported, in the Ritz-Carlton Riyadh. “There is no jail for royals,” a Saudi source noted.

The move marks a moment of reckoning for Washington’s foreign policy establishment, which struck a bargain of sorts with the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, known as MBS, and Yousef Al Otaiba, the United Arab Emirates ambassador to the U.S. who has been MBS’s leading advocate in Washington. The unspoken arrangement was clear: The UAE and Saudi Arabia would pump millions into Washington’s political ecosystem while mouthing a belief in “reform,” and Washington would pretend to believe that they meant it. MBS has won praise for some policies, like an openness to reconsidering Saudi Arabia’s ban on women drivers.

Meanwhile, however, the 32-year-old MBS has been pursuing a dangerously impulsive and aggressive regional policy, which has included a heightening of tensions with Iran, a catastrophic war on Yemen, and a blockade of ostensible ally Qatar. Those regional policies have been disasters for the millions who have suffered the consequences, including the starving people of Yemen, as well as for Saudi Arabia, but MBS has dug in harder and harder. And his supporters in Washington have not blinked.

The platitudes about reform were also challenged by recent mass arrests of religious figures and repression of anything that has remotely approached less than full support of MBS.

The latest purge comes just days after White House adviser Jared Kushner, a close ally of Otaiba, visited Riyadh, and just hours after a bizarre-even-for-Trump tweet.

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Whatever legitimate debate there was about MBS ended Saturday — his drive to consolidate power is now too obvious to ignore. And that puts denizens of Washington’s think tank world in a difficult spot, as they have come to rely heavily on the Saudi and UAE end of the bargain. As The Intercept reported earlier, one think tank alone, the Middle East Institute, got a massive $20 million commitment from the UAE.

And make no mistake, MBS is a project of the UAE — an odd turn of events given the relative sizes of the two countries. “Our relationship with them is based on strategic depth, shared interests, and most importantly the hope that we could influence them. Not the other way around,” Otaiba has said privately. For the past two years, Otaiba has introduced MBS around Washington and offered assurances of his commitment to modernizing and reforming Saudi Arabia, according to people who’ve spoken with him, confirmed by emails leaked by the group Global Leaks. When confronted with damning headlines, Otaiba tends to acknowledge the reform project is a work in progress, but insists that it is progress nonetheless, and in MBS resides the best chance of the region.

“I don’t think we’ll ever see a more pragmatic leader in that country. Which is why engaging with them is so important and will yield the most results we can ever get out of saudi,” Otaiba said in one representative note. “I think MBS is far more pragmatic than what we hear is saudi public positions [sic].”

In an email to Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, Otaiba laid out his thinking clearly while thanking him for a column.

Thank you for taking the time to go out there and meet with MBS. As someone who knows the region well, it looks from how you wrote this piece, that you are beginning to see what we’ve been saying for the last two years. Change!

Change in attitude, change in style, change in approach.

I think we would all agree these changes in saudi are much needed. So i’m relieved to find you saw what we’ve been seeing and frequently trying to convey. Your voice and your credibility will be a huge factor in getting reasonable folks to understand and believe in whats happening.

Our job now, is to [do] everything possible to ensure MBS succeeds.

In an unusual move, Saudi Arabia even recently hired the UAE’s longtime public-relations firm, the Harbour Group, run by Otaiba friend Richard Mintz. Richard Clarke, most well known for his public apology to 9/11 victims for the intelligence failure, was brutal in his criticism of Saudi Arabia in the wake of the attack. An Otaiba friend, he is now chairman of the MEI’s board and has personally lobbied Saudi Arabia for funding, walking out of the Saudi embassy with a $500,000 check. Michael Petruzzello, the longtime Washington hand for Saudi Arabia, is also on the MEI board.

Gulf countries that are family-run dynasties tend to produce the same kind of family rivalries seen the world over. In Abu Dhabi, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed, Otaiba’s mentor and boss who is known as MBZ, has long detested Mohammed bin Nayef, who was in line for the Saudi throne, going so far as to publicly call him a monkey. MBZ and Otaiba saw MBS as the way to derail bin Nayef, and exert control over the larger country by elevating the junior prince.

The campaign worked, and was largely cheered in Washington.

Scholars at the think tanks that are backed with Saudi and UAE money say they pride themselves on their ability to speak and write freely, and bristle at any suggestion that the funding corrupts the intellectual product.

That claim has always been dubious, but the next few days will put it to the test in a way it never has been tested before.
https://theintercept.com/2017/11/05/wha ... nabled-it/



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Opinion Is Saudi Arabia Pushing Israel Into War With Hezbollah and Iran?
What connects Lebanese PM Saad Hariri's sudden resignation and Hezbollah's assassination threat with Saudi Arabia and Israel? It's all about Iran. But Israel must not be maneuvered by an impatient Riyadh into a premature confrontation

Daniel B. Shapiro Nov 05, 2017 12:08 PM

Is Saudi Arabia pushing Israel into war with Hezbollah and Iran? Pictured: Israeli paratroopers walk a dirt road on their way to a Lebanese village during the second Lebanon War, Aug. 12, 2006 Emilio Morenatti / AP
Lebanese PM Hariri resigns over tensions with Hezbollah, vows Iran's arms 'will be cut off'
Netanyahu: Lebanese PM Hariri's resignation 'a wake-up call' on Iranian aggression


Saad Hariri, who resigned Saturday as Prime Minister of Lebanon, always faced a no-win situation trying to serve in that role. His departure heralds the latest ratcheting up of tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran playing out across the region, with significant implications for Israel.

Hariri is a good man, but not a natural political leader. His role as the leader of Lebanon’s Sunni bloc was thrust upon him by the assassination of his father, Prime Minister Rafik Hariri, in 2005. 

Saad Hariri, Lebanon's now former prime minister, at a joint press conference with U.S. President Donald Trump, at the White House in Washington, D.C. July 25, 2017Zach Gibson/Bloomberg

During his first term as prime minister, from 2009 to 2011, Saad chose, by design, to operate in his father’s imposing shadow. When I visited his compound in Beirut, I was struck not only by the opulent wealth and suffocating security arrangements, but by the extreme deference to Rafik’s memory. In the salon where he received guests, Saad sat in the second chair on the Lebanese side. The first was reserved for a black ribbon-draped portrait of his father.

But there was another force that thrust him into that role: his Saudi patrons. Saudi Arabia had long backed the Sunnis in Lebanon’s multi-sectarian political system and during the civil war. But they also provided a base and financial backing for the Hariri business empire. Hariri could not move right or left without Saudi support, nor could he rebuff their orders that he return to Lebanon as prime minister.

During Hariri’s first term, he faced no end of headaches: Hezbollah-affiliated ministers in the cabinet who could bring down his government at any time; the unfinished business of the Special Tribunal investigating his father’s murder; and the taunts and bullying of Hezbollah’s ally, Bashar Assad in Syria. The certain knowledge that Hezbollah, backed by Assad, were the culprits in his father’s killing must have made each day a special kind of torture.

Those ressures all reflected Iran’s ongoing attempt to retain its influence in Lebanon, and recover the ground they had lost when the March 14 popular uprising following Hariri senior's assassination resulted in the withdrawal of Syrian troops after 30 years.

With sustained support from Saudi Arabia and the United States, Saad Hariri withstood these pressures for a time. But Saudi support wavered in 2010, when Prince Abdulaziz, the son of then-King Abdallah, pursued a rapprochement with Assad. When Hariri refused to play along, Hezbollah withdrew its ministers from his government, bringing it down in humiliating fashion while Hariri met with President Barack Obama in Washington in January 2011.

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (known as MBS) poses while meeting with Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia. July, 23, 2017/AP

As I watched his face across the Oval Office that day, Hariri seemed almost relieved.
Knowing that history, I was frankly surprised when he returned to the premiership late last year, following a protracted government stalemate, so bad that even the Lebanese trash was not being collected. The logjam was only broken when Michel Aoun, a Christian ally of Hezbollah, ascended to the presidency. 
Why would Hariri return under an even tougher set of circumstances than those that prevailed during his first term? Once again, because the Saudis made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.

But this was a new breed of Saudi rulers. King Abdallah had no love for Iran, whom he described as the head of the snake spreading poison throughout the Middle East. But he picked his spots for confronting his rivals, and cut his losses in Lebanon in 2011. His successor, King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud, and his son Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS), seem determined to contest Iran from Yemen to Syria to Lebanon. Getting their man, Hariri, back to Beirut at least gave them a player on the field.

Rescue workers and soldiers stand around a massive crater after a Hezbollah bomb attack that killed former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in Beirut, Lebanon. Feb. 14, 2005/AP
Hariri faced a truly impossible task. Hezbollah’s dominance of Lebanese politics has only increased. Despite continued U.S. support for the Lebanese Armed Forces, ostensibly a multi-confessional counterweight to the Shia forces, is has become increasingly clear that Hezbollah can intimidate, infiltrate, and when called upon, dominate them. 

The winding down of the Syrian civil war made it even worse. As long as the fighting raged, Hezbollah’s priority was shoring up the Assad regime, which has facilitated the conveyance of Iranian weapons into Hezbollah’s hands. As Assad’s future has been assured, under Russian and Iranian sponsorship, Hezbollah fighters have been returning home to Lebanon, and their leadership has been able to refocus on internal Lebanese battles.
Hariri has long known that as prime minister, he lived on borrowed time. At Hezbollah’s whim, at any moment, his father’s fate could become his own. It’s fair to say that the assassination attempt he alluded to in his resignation announcement represented a death threat he always faced. It was only a question of when Hezbollah would choose to operationalize it.

The bigger question is whether his resignation is a sign that the Saudis withdrew their support for him once again. At first blush, that would not seem consistent with King Salman and MBS’s overall desire to confront Iran’s proxies on every front.

Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah delivers a video link message during Ashura, a 10-day ritual commemorating the death of Imam Hussein, in a southern suburb of Beirut, Lebanon. Sept. 30, 2017Hassan Ammar/AP

But it is plausible that the Saudis are trying to create the context for a different means of contesting Iran in Lebanon: an Israeli-Hezbollah war. 

With Assad clearly having survived the challenge posed by Saudi-backed rebels, the Saudi leadership may hope to move its confrontation with Iran from Syria to Lebanon. By pulling Hariri out of his office, they may hope to ensure that Hezbollah gets stuck with the blame and responsibility for Lebanon’s challenges, from caring for Syrian refugees to mopping up Al Qaida and ISIS affiliates. 
That could, the Saudis may believe, lead Hezbollah to seek an accelerated confrontation with Israel as a means of unifying Lebanese support for their dominance. As indicated in a different context - this week’s arrests of Saudi princes in a putative corruption crackdown - King Salman and MBS have little patience to establish their desired order.

Israeli leaders have been preparing for the next war with Hezbollah since 2006. Iran’s increasing assertiveness across the region makes clear that, even more than the last war, it will be a fight to diminish the Iranian threat on Israel’s borders. Israel and Saudi Arabia are fully aligned in this regional struggle, and the Saudis cannot help but be impressed by Israel’s increasing assertiveness to strike at Iranian threats in Syria.
Israel will have to make its own decision when the time is right for that fight. When the moment of truth arrives, Israel’s allies, with the United States in the lead, should give it full backing. An act of Iranian or Hezbollah aggression may well be the spark, as their malign intentions are perfectly clear.
But Israeli leaders will want to take care not to find themselves backed into a premature confrontation by the maneuvers of their allies who sit in Riyadh.
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High stakes as Saudi crown prince tries to remove opponents
Bruce Riedel November 5, 2017


Saudi Arabia's uncertain future has not become any more stable with the recent removal of 11 princes from their positions in power.

REUTERS/Hamad I MohammedSaudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman attends the Future Investment Initiative conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Oct. 24, 2017.

The decision by Saudi King Salman bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud to sack Minister of National Guard Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah, the favorite son of the late King Abdullah, is intended to remove a potential powerful rival of his own favorite son, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. Mutaib's ouster is the most crucial part of a large-scale wave of arrests in the kingdom that suggests deep opposition to the young prince's ambitions.

The Saudi Arabian National Guard was the creation of King Abdullah in the 1950s and 1960s. It has been the power center for the Abdullah wing of the family and the Shammar tribe for over a half-century. The National Guard was originally designed to be a counter-coup force to defend the royal family from revolutionary plots in the regular army. It is deployed in the capital and holy cities as well as along the borders. It was a crucial player in the forced abdication of King Saud in 1964 that brought Faisal to the throne, and it bore the brunt of the fighting for the recovery of the holy mosque in Mecca from religious extremists in 1979.

The National Guard also participated in the defense of the kingdom from Iraq in 1990 and the liberation of Kuwait. In 2011, it was sent across the King Fahd causeway to Bahrain to secure the survival of the Sunni minority ruling family against protesters from the Shiite majority. The National Guard is still on the island.

The 100,000-man National Guard is separate from the Royal Saudi Land Forces, the kingdom's army, which has over 200,000 soldiers and roughly 1,000 tanks. Mohammed, also the minister of defense, is the civilian commander of the Royal Saudi Land Forces. Traditionally, it has been deployed on the kingdom's borders to defend the country from foreign enemies and to project power in the neighborhood. In 1991, it participated in the battle of Khafji, repelling the Iraqis, and then in the liberation of Kuwait.

Royal Saudi Land Forces troops were involved in border clashes with Houthi rebels in Yemen in 2009-10. The Saudis did not fare well in the clashes and had considerable casualties. Gradually, the Houthis consolidated their control of the border region and northern Yemen.

The two armies are very expensive. There is no authoritative breakdown of defense spending by service, but the majority of military personnel are in the Royal Saudi Land Forces and the National Guard. Both are very well-equipped. The National Guard is completing the purchase of 24 Apache helicopter gunships bought from the United States in 2010, for example, which will increase the force's firepower.

Saudi defense spending in 2015 was $87 billion, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute; this was the third highest in the world and larger than any of our NATO partners or Russia. Per capita spending is $6,900 a year, a phenomenal amount for a nation of only 20 million Saudi nationals.

Mutaib and the National Guard represent a potential alternative power center to the crown prince. By sacking Abdullah's son, the king and crown prince are further consolidating power in their own hands. Earlier, they ousted former Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, who was also minister of the interior, the third leg of the national security apparatus of the kingdom.

The determination to consolidate power in the hands of the crown prince suggests both ambition and anxiety. The young prince is a man in a hurry with a sweeping vision of transforming his country. Just last month he announced plans to build a new city in the kingdom's northwest, to be called NEOM, and financed by $500 billion in investment. His Saudi Vision 2030 is the most expansive program for change in the country's history.

But Mohammed bin Salman is also aware that his rise to power has alienated many in the royal family who have been sidelined. The forced ouster of Mohammed bin Nayef was done ham-handedly, with little respect or honor for the long years of loyal service he had provided in fighting terrorism. Since his removal, Nayef has yet to be seen in public or speak about his dismissal.

Knowledgeable observers of Saudi internal politics point to the many arrests of prominent clerics and intellectuals this summer as a sign of tensions inside the kingdom. There is no guarantee that if Mohammed bin Salman's father dies or abdicates that the succession will be smooth. The latest round of arrests only reinforces the sense that the succession debate is more difficult than the king and his son want. The crown prince is now in charge of an anti-corruption task force that looks more like a means to punish his opponents than anything else. Eleven princes have been detained, and the number of royals under suspicion is unprecedented.

The kingdom is at a crossroads: Its economy has flatlined with low oil prices; the war in Yemen is a quagmire; the blockade of Qatar is a failure; Iranian influence is rampant in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq; and the succession is a question mark. It is the most volatile period in Saudi history in over a half-century.



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Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:31 pm

Saudi prince killed in helicopter crash near Yemen border
4 hours ago

A Saudi prince has been killed when the helicopter he was travelling in crashed near the border with Yemen, state television reported.
Prince Mansour bin Muqrin, the deputy governor of Asir province, was travelling with several officials when the helicopter crashed, Al-Ikhbariya news channel said.
The cause of the crash is unknown.
Saudi Arabia said it intercepted a ballistic missile, fired from Yemen, near Riyadh airport the day before.
Also this weekend, an anti-corruption purge targeted dozens of people, including 11 princes and four ministers, in a move seen to cement the power of the heir to the throne.
The anti-corruption body is led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
Prince Mansour bin Muqrin, who died in the crash, is the son of another former crown prince.
His father, Muqrin bin Abdul Aziz, was pushed aside by his half-brother King Salman a few months after he took the throne in 2015.
The fate of the other occupants of the helicopter remains unclear, but Saudi news outlet Okaz said that unconfirmed reports suggested there were no survivors.
The group had been carrying out an aerial inspection of the region at the time, it said.
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:59 pm

Slate, FWIW

Saudi Arabia—the only absolute monarchy among the world’s major economic powers, a place whose citizens are referred to by the name of the family that rules them—is a country whose continued existence in the 21st century makes very little sense on paper.

Yet the kingdom has managed not only to survive but also to maintain its place among the world’s major powers, thanks in large part to the combined power of oil wealth, religious orthodoxy, and a long-term security alliance with the United States. The next generation of Saudi leaders, however, may face the toughest challenges yet thanks to growing regional instability, the growing influence of its main rival Iran, and a desperate need for domestic reform. Whether or not the House of Saud survives with anything resembling its current status, we’ll probably look back on the events of the past few days as the beginning of a new era.

On Saturday, 11 Saudi princes, including the country’s most prominent businessman, Alwaleed Bin Talal, were arrested. Four government ministers and dozens of former ministers were also detained. The arrests were ostensibly part of a recently announced anti-corruption crackdown but are widely seen as a move by Crown Prince and heir apparent Mohammed Bin Salman to eliminate potential rivals and consolidate his power.

In a separate incident, Prince Mansour bin Muqrin was killed in a helicopter crash near the Yemen border. No explanation has been given for the crash, though it’s led to some conspiracy theories, given the timing and the identity of the victim: Muqrin’s father, Muqrin bin Abdulaziz, was the country’s former intelligence chief and was briefly crown prince until King Salman booted him from the line of succession in 2015.

It was an eventful weekend for Saudi Arabia’s foreign policy as well. Lebanon’s Prime Minister Saad Hariri unexpectedly resigned in a televised address from Saudi Arabia on Saturday, saying his life was in danger, sparking yet another political crisis in his country. Hariri was a Saudi ally, and his rivals in the Iran-backed Shiite group Hezbollah were quick to accuse the Saudis of forcing him to resign.

As if all that weren’t enough, after the successful interception of a missile fired toward Riyadh from Yemen on Saturday, the Saudi-led military coalition announced it was closing all of Yemen’s land, air, and sea ports to prevent arms shipments to the Iran-backed Houthi rebels, and the coalition accused Iran of an “act of war.” (Iran denied responsibility.) The coalition, with U.S. support, has been involved in a brutal military intervention to combat the Houthis since 2015. The blockade is likely to worsen the humanitarian crisis in Yemen, already afflicted by mass starvation and the worst cholera epidemic in history.

So what is going on in Saudi Arabia? One important factor is that the upcoming transition from the current king, Salman, to his son, Mohammed bin Salman, will be a unique one. Since the death of the country’s founder, Abdulaziz, in 1953, all of his successors have been his sons, who have passed the crown down brother to brother. This has meant that the last few kings have all been very old men with very short reigns. The crown prince, who will be the first of the next generation to rule, is only 32. The current king is 81 and reportedly struggles with health problems—both physical and mental—so the transition could come soon, either through Salman’s death or his abdication.

But Mohammed’s elevation over more senior and experienced uncles and cousins—he’s the third heir apparent since Salman’s reign began in 2015— has undoubtedly ruffled some feathers, and he has a lot of competition. Saudi succession law only states that the king has to be a male heir of Abdulaziz, who had 45 sons by 22 wives. Given that many of those sons were similarly prolific, Saudi Arabia now has more than 7,000 princes. The arrests are likely a signal that the young king-in-waiting is not waiting until he inherits the throne to start exercising power.

Some are comparing the weekend purge to Xi Jinping’s use of a massive anti-corruption campaign to eliminate potential political rivals. Prince Mohammed no doubt likes the comparison to Chinese leaders who have modernized and developed their country while maintaining complete political control. Mohammed fancies himself a modernizer as well, having launched Vision 2030, an ambitious plan to wean the country off its traditional dependence on oil. The plan comes with some flashy ideas, including a proposed futurist megacity complete with citizen robots. However, Saudis have been talking about diversification for years, yet the economy remains heavily dependent on oil.

That’s a problem at a time when oil prices are staying low, and there are doubts about just how much oil the country is still able to produce. Economic growth has been sluggish and unemployment is growing, despite the fact that half the country’s potential workforce—women—are excluded from many jobs. The kingdom has fended off social instability, including the tumult of the Arab Spring, in large part through spending on social welfare programs paid for by oil wealth, but as any Venezuelan will tell you, that’s not a long-term solution.

Over the past couple of years, the government has taken some steps to loosen up the country’s notoriously strict religious laws, curbing the powers of the feared religious police and ending the infamous ban on women drivers. While welcome, periods of liberalization are always risky for authoritarian governments: Progressives will take advantage of their new freedoms to push for more rapid change—and the pace of change, particularly for women, has been glacially slow—while conservatives may push back against even modest reforms. Mohammed may want to be a Xi, but could end up looking more like a Gorbachev.

Things don’t look much more promising on the international front. Archrival Iran is increasing its influence in Iraq, Syria, and elsewhere. The war in Yemen has become a costly and bloody quagmire. Saudi support for rebel groups in Syria has both failed to bring the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad and bred a new generation of extremists who, like the mujahideen the kingdom backed in Afghanistan in the 1980s, may eventually turn their sights on the kingdom itself. And this year’s efforts to bring its wayward neighbor Qatar to heel haven’t gone as planned.

Arguably the main international bright spot in recent years has been the election of Donald Trump. The Saudis were not fans of Barack Obama, given the Iran nuclear deal and his perceived lack of support for longtime U.S. ally Hosni Mubarak in Egypt. Trump, by contrast, has seemed to buy the Saudi worldview whole, framing Mideast politics during his speech in Riyadh in May as an existential battle against Iran. Weapons deals with America are in the works, and the administration has doubled down on support for Saudi combat in Yemen.

Mohammed has reportedly become very close to America’s own “prince,” Jared Kushner. According to the Washington Post’s David Ignatius, the two were up until 4 a.m. one night during the May trip “swapping stories and planning strategy.” The Sauds, who had a famously close relationship with the Bushes, may just prefer it when America has a ruling family.

Prince Alwaleed, on the other hand, was an outspoken critic of Trump, raising the discomfiting possibility that his arrest may have been partly meant as a gesture of friendship to the U.S. administration.

Of course, the Saudis may not be able to take that relationship for granted forever either. The U.S. Congress is increasingly critical of Saudi Arabia, particularly over controversial allegations involving the kingdom’s involvement in the 9/11 attacks—allegations Trump himself trafficked in during his campaign.

Ever since the modern U.S.-Saudi relationship began in 1945, the U.S. has been willing to overlook many of the kingdom’s less savory aspects as long as it kept the oil flowing and supported U.S. national security policies. Today the oil is less of a factor than it used to be, and unless Mohammed finds a way to maintain stability—both in his country and in his region—the Saudi relationship may come to be seen in Washington as more trouble than it’s worth.

The Saud family has survived tough times before, but Mohammed has his work cut out for him now.
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:04 pm

BBC, FWIW

Seismic changes
By Frank Gardner, BBC security correspondent

These are heady and unpredictable times in Saudi Arabia. The Arab world's richest country is undergoing seismic changes almost unprecedented in its 85-year history as a sovereign nation.

The idea of dozens of familiar pillars of the establishment all being publicly and humiliatingly removed from office and detained, albeit in great comfort, would have been unthinkable just three years ago.

But the conservative, stodgy, risk-averse Saudi Arabia of old is under new management these days. Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman, who is leading the official anti-corruption purge, appears determined to take on all comers in his drive to both modernise the country and eliminate all opposition, both secular and religious.

He is popular with young Saudis but critics say he is playing for high stakes, risking a dangerous backlash.

An interior ministry statement carried by the official Saudi Press Agency said the prince and seven provincial officials had boarded a helicopter on Sunday morning to tour a number of coastal projects west of the city of Abha.

"While returning in the evening of the same day, contact with the plane was lost in the vicinity of the Reda reserve," it added. "The authorities are currently searching for survivors as the wreckage has been found."

Later, state news channel al-Ikhbariya announced the death of the prince.

It also posted on Twitter photographs of the wreckage and a video showing the prince and his companions using the helicopter hours before their deaths.

The Reda reserve is located in the Sarawat Mountains, the largest range in the Arabian Peninsula, and is about 10km (6 miles) west of Abha and 120km from the border with Yemen

For the past two-and-a-half years, Saudi Arabia has been leading a coalition that is supporting Yemen's internationally-recognised government in its war with the rebel Houthi movement.

The interior ministry statement did not draw any link between the crash and the conflict, but on Saturday the Saudi military intercepted and destroyed a ballistic missile near the capital, Riyadh, that was fired by Houthi fighters.

On Sunday, the Saudi-led coalition said it was closing all of Yemen's air, land and sea borders in response to the missile attack. It accused Iran of supplying the missile, and said that it might amount to an act of war on Tehran's part.
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Saudi Arabia Charges Iran With ‘Act of War,’ Raising Threat of Military Clash
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Postby BenDhyan » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:39 pm

Bannon's view....

Bannon: ‘The Middle East Is on a Knife Edge in the Last 48 to 72 Hours’

by John Hayward6 Nov 201727

Breitbart News Executive Chairman Steve Bannon analyzed the dramatic weekend events in Saudi Arabia on Monday’s edition of Breitbart News Daily on the SiriusXM Patriot Channel.

Bannon said a driving force behind the transformation of Saudi Arabia and other major events in the Middle East is the recognition by many regional powers that “President Trump and the United States of America have had enough of it and are just not going to tolerate anymore this financing, the exporting of radical Islamic terror into Western Europe and the United States.”

He recalled Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi’s giving a landmark speech several years ago about “how Islam had to reform itself internally to Islam, just like Christianity went through a huge reformation.”

“In fact, I think the 500th anniversary of the beginning of the Reformation was a couple of weeks ago,” he remarked. “Christianity had gone through things like the Thirty Years War and the Reformation, et cetera, to reform itself. By the way, I’m a Catholic, so I’m not saying everything in the Reformation was great.”

“My point is, these religions go through internal reformations: Gen. Sisi in Egypt, Mohammed bin Zayed in the United Arab Emirates, MBS, the new Crown Prince in Saudi Arabia. These guys have been at the forefront of trying to modernize and reform Islam internally, with Muslims doing their reformation,” said Bannon.

“One the things that you’ve seen at the summit President Trump had in the spring is that the United States is not prepared to tolerate any more people in the Middle East financing the exporting of radical Islamic terrorism into Western Europe in the United States. I think you’re seeing some of the leaders over there take active control of this,” he proposed.

“This was the whole thing I said at the Hudson Institute, that the Qatar situation is, I believe today – even with everything going on in the Northwest Pacific – the most important national security and foreign policy situation the United States has,” Bannon argued. “You can tell now with what’s happening with the Kurds and what’s happening in Turkey and Lebanon with the prime minister stepping down, thinking he could be assassinated. The Middle East, I’m telling you right now, is on a knife’s edge, in the last 48 or 72 hours.”

“And I’ve got to tell you, for all the elites out in the world, the Party of Davos guys are sitting there today gobsmacked, absolutely shocked,” he said. “The largest financier in the Arab world, the Muslim world, is Prince Alwaleed. He’s got stakes in just about every high-tech company. He’s a huge partner of Rupert Murdoch. When he came to the United States back in the early nineties, he was actually a client of my firm as he got into Hollywood; he got into media. He owns a huge stake in Citicorp, he saved Citicorp from going bankrupt.”

“People are stunned today that he was put under house arrest, put under arrest yesterday in Saudi Arabia, in this situation of what they called corruption, money laundering, et cetera. People are thinking this is directly tied to the financing of the Muslim Brotherhood, this whole thing about cleaning up Saudi Arabia to take care of this. You’re going to see a lot of changes. This thing is far, far from over. You’re at the top of the first inning. You’re probably at the first batter,” Bannon said.

“Look at what’s happening in Iraq now. Look at what’s happening with this expansionist Persia, Erdogan; John Bolton just said it. Erdogan is going to announce an Ottoman caliphate on the 100th anniversary of Ataturk. I’ve said it from day one: Erdogan is one of the most dangerous guys on the world stage. He believes in his heart that he’s a man of history. Those guys can be dangerous. We’ve got a mess in the Middle East, and President Trump, I think, has done a tremendous job of representing the vital national security interests of the United States over there,” he declared.

Bannon said that at President Trump’s summit meeting with dozens of Arab nations in Saudi Arabia, “modernization and reformation” were a big part of the agenda.

“MBS, the young Crown Prince, put this thing called Vision 2030 out there, which was to revitalize and change the economy. His point was, the oil is not going to be here forever. We have to do something to get ourselves off of oil. We have to make ourselves more productive. We have to become more engaged in technology, et cetera. Along those lines, he started to do some pretty fundamental things along with women’s rights, women’s empowerment in the modernization over there,” he recalled.

“I tell people, you’re not going to wave a wand or snap your fingers. It’s not going to happen immediately. But you’re seeing, I think, pretty big fundamental changes take place,” he said, noting the enthusiastic support President Trump expressed for those changes in his weekend phone call from Japan to Saudi King Salman.


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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:25 pm

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Saudi Prince Abdul Aziz bin Fahd, a business partner of former Lebanese PM Hariri, dies during arrest

The Saudi purges continue to become increasingly brutal as it appears that the Hariri resignation had everything to do with internal Saudi matters.

Former FBI special agent Ali H. Soufan has confirmed that Prince Abdul Aziz bin Fahd has been killed during an attempt by the authorities to arrest him as part of Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman’s great purge of the Saudi elites. He died when his security contingent got into a firefight with regime gunmen attempting to make an arrest.

Abdul Aziz is confirmed dead. He was 44 years old. Earlier, Mansour son of the former crown prince Muqrin was also declared dead. https://t.co/IsUyU896o4

— Ali H. Soufan (@Ali_H_Soufan) November 5, 2017

Prince Abdul Aziz was deeply involved in Saudi Oger Ltd, a company which until it ceased operations in the summer of this year, was owned by the Hariri family. Former Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri was punitively in charge of the company until it ceased operations.

Prince Abdul Aziz’s strange and sudden death which is said to have occurred during an attempted arrest, sheds light on the theory that the clearly forced resignation of former Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri had more to do with internal Saudi affairs than the Saudi attempt to bring instability to Lebanon.

As I wrote yesterday, “This therefore, forces one to consider why the Saudi regime would involve itself in the Hariri affair on the same day as the ‘great purge’?

The answer lies in exploring whether the Hariri ‘purge’ was more for domestic consumption than for international consumption. As a powerful Saudi citizen, one could think of Hariri’s apparently forced resignation as the first Saudi purge of the day, on a day that saw many powerful Saudi citizens dethroned from powerful places in society.

The message to all powerful Saudis, including to Hariri, is that no one is too big to fall at the hands of MBS, even a Saudi citizen who is the Prime Minister in a foreign democracy. The fact that both Hariri and MBS are young men in a leadership role, would indicate that for the famously politically trigger happy MBS, it was also an ego boost”.

Furthermore, during his speech yesterday afternoon, Hezbollah leader Sayyid Hassan Nasrallah remarked that perhaps Hariri was involved with the business dealings or personal relations of some of the Saudi officials who had been victims of great purge.

The sudden death of Prince Abdul Aziz bin Fahd now appears to confirm this line of thinking. This also sheds light on yesterday’s helicopter crash which killed another Saudi prince, Mansour bin Muqrin. When taken in totality, the ‘crash’ does not appear to be an accident.

With reports of no-fly lists being drawn up by the Saudi regime to keep various princes and other official inside the country, the purge looks to be only growing in terms of its scope and its brutality.
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