"Restoring Internet Freedom"

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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby 82_28 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:34 am

I wait around for the mailer for the local gas stations. I love to stock up when once a month they take turns with offers such as "buy one gallon, get the next one free". There's like clowns and free balloons for the kids and shit. I love discount week at the gas station.

US taxpayers subsidising world's biggest fossil fuel companies

“Big oil, gas, and coal have huge influence on politicians and governments and they get that influence the old fashioned way – they buy it,” said Kretzmann. “Through campaign finance, lobbying, advertising and superpac spending, the industry has many ways to influence candidates and government officials seeking re-election.”

He said fossil fuel subsidies were endemic in the US: “Every single well, pipeline, refinery, coal and gas plant in the country is heavily subsidised. Big Fossil’s lobbyists have done their jobs well for the last century.”


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... -companies

I also prefer to only fly on a Boeing I paid for.

Boeing: Biggest state subsidy in U.S. history

Based on the limited information available, Good Jobs First Now in its study estimated that each job created cost taxpayers $456,000.

-snip-

With the 777X deal — if Boeing and the Machinists reach an agreement — Washington will be giving a big tax break to keep something it already has.


http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepoliti ... s-history/

Competition you know.

How about something on topic that was totally subsidized that happen to shop around for on a weekly/monthly basis -- my ISP:

Oh shit. Here's something we didn't notice in 2011.

Telecom carriers oppose proposed subsidy cuts

Cuts in the USF would make it difficult for small rural carriers to continue to roll out broadband to their customers, said John Rose, president of OPASTCO (Organization for the Promotion and Advancement of Small Telecommunications Companies). The proposed cut would redirect nearly a quarter of the USF's $4.5 billion high-cost fund, which subsidizes telephone and broadband service in rural areas.

The proposed cut would "hurt a lot of our companies' ability to serve their customers with broadband," Rose said.

The USF is supported by fees, about 15 percent of a telephone customer's long-distance service. If Congress takes that targeted fee and gives it to the general treasury, "then you're really imposing a totally new tax," Rose said.


https://www.infoworld.com/article/26220 ... -cuts.html

Well, I know you could actually go on -- on your own actually using the power of this here subsidized infrastructure and *mostly free* content about all the other things you use that the cost to make shareholders rich is indeed subsidized and then repackaged and resold back to you. This is not competition and not only that, who the fuck cares if there has to be competition. My fucking brother was trying to outrun a hurricane this year that wound up not hitting him at all but was running out of gas and needed to buy gas cans, while his wife was checking via this here Internet one exit ahead of him in gridlock of who has gas and still has gas cans in stock. There was a lot of use there in a shit ton of FIRST WORLD issues to be sure, but a lot of use of shit that was built not by competition at all, but by smart egalitarians that really wanted to solve problems/puzzles -- redundancy, reliable, scalable etc. Almost as if they who designed the Internet and the networking of fuel pipelines designed it to make it work first and then profit a distant second.

It's almost as if karma were at work. I use Linux and have for forever and it is something that was mostly built with egalitarianism and absolute freedom in mind. You got your Internet that way. Pulling a rabbit out of the hat here, but 90% of the Internet and all of this "competition" would not work at all were it not for the subsidies and the existence of the GPL. Here's a cool quote I just yanked out of wikipedia (GPL):

In May 2005, Daniel Wallace filed suit against the Free Software Foundation in the Southern District of Indiana, contending that the GPL is an illegal attempt to fix prices (at zero). The suit was dismissed in March 2006, on the grounds that Wallace had failed to state a valid anti-trust claim; the court noted that "the GPL encourages, rather than discourages, free competition and the distribution of computer operating systems, the benefits of which directly pass to consumers".[86] Wallace was denied the possibility of further amending his complaint, and was ordered to pay the FSF's legal expenses.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Gener ... ic_License

Anyhow, end of the day, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Clearly they are not fixing shit. But I use the Internet much differently than most newcomers. It still continues to amaze and must always be treated with respect along with the people who use it.
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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby Elvis » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:51 am

Like roads and highways, the Internet should be a public commons. Roads are paid with excise taxes. I don't want privately owned, for-profit roads and highways. Thanks to U.S. socialism, the freeways are pretty darn good. Thanks to "capitalism" the U.S. has the shittiest broadband anywhere.
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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:22 am

Karmamatterz » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:15 am wrote:There is nothing wrong with competition or making money. Competition is better then bureaucratic layers of socialist management. I'll take capitalism, or what's left of it, any day over government managing things thy are clueless about. So people make money off business. That is the idea about going into business, is to make money. If not then you're running a non-profit.

I could give a crap about what's his names comments or what any government official has to say about most things. The government is full of lying fucks. Less bureaucracy is better than more. Less is best.


so what about the 2 million fake comments that were submitted to the FCC using stolen identities of Americans?


you're fine with massive fraud?

stolen identities .....Russian bots?
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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:15 pm

done ...for now


elections do matter


and thanks to the Black Women of Alabama for never giving up
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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby chump » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:39 pm

... yada yada yada...

Pai was probably wrapping it up, when he was suddenly presented with a piece of paper, and urgently relates the message as he gathers his notes to leave the podium: "On the advice of security we need to take a break!"

End of transmission

Next I know:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/tech ... -vote.html
F.C.C. Repeals Net Neutrality Rules

By CECILIA KANGDEC. 14, 2017
WASHINGTON — The Federal Communications Commission voted on Thursday to dismantle landmark rules regulating the businesses that connect consumers to the internet, granting broadband companies power to potentially reshape Americans’ online experiences.

The agency scrapped so-called net neutrality regulations that prohibited broadband providers from blocking websites or charging for higher-quality service or certain content. The federal government will also no longer regulate high-speed internet delivery as if it were a utility, like phone services.

The action reversed the agency’s 2015 decision, during the Obama administration, to better protect Americans as they have migrated to the internet for most communications...


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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby DrEvil » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:55 pm

^^As someone on Ars Technica commented: the break was Ajit Pai calling his bank in the Caymans to see if the money was deposited.
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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby chump » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:21 pm


https://youtu.be/JqONIPwidQw


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https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2017/1 ... d-ranting/
FCC Net Neutrality Hearing Stopped by Security (full commission hearing to that point w/ my commentary and ranting)
Posted on December 14, 2017 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton

As anticipated, they just voted to end net neutrality protections for a free and open internet. After a brief security pause, Ajit Pai resumed to his diatribe of tortured reasoning to explain why he was voting to bolster Big Telecom’s profit margins by ending the title 2 classification of the internet and the net neutrality regulations that have been in place for the past two years.

The two women on the commission voted to preserve the regulations while all of the men voted to remove them in favor of ALEC and Big Telecom.

What follows is a video of the hearing including the statements by the four commissioners and half of Ajit Pai’s leading up to the point where they were forced to leave the room. I did not reengage the recording after that.

I am saddened to see this happen but strangely hopeful that somehow, either by a legal action or one involving congress, that this ruling will be overturned and the free and open internet we enjoy now will continue to thrive. But I fear with Big Business reeling from Killary’s loss in 2016 and the worries they have about their lack of control over the narrative of the news these days, it might take a short time to see all the worst predictions take shape and even longer for any sort of fix to the problem.

I was inspired by the statements made by those two female commissioners. It took courage for them to make them...
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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:36 am

The guy who repealed net neutrality caught dancing in video with Pizzagate conspiracy theorist

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... -theorist/
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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby Elvis » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:53 am

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In another time and place, these people would be rounded up and guillotined. Not that that should happen now, of course. It's just interesting to think about.

As I understand it, the repeal has the potential to effectively fragment the Internet as a community. I wonder if that's a political consideration for these people, or is it merely more profitable?
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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby 82_28 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:40 am

Oh, don't pad what you should, really feel. I also would not like to devolve into sanctified bloodlust. However, depending on where you are, moment in time, circumstances of fate, we are the hunted by those who have this lust. Some in far worse situations than you or me, but anyone can be sacrificed for being weak. We are seriously within the cradle of "first they came for X" motifs. This is not a novel, a movie or a game anymore. "They" are actively erasing all the shit we not only took for granted, but took for granted that it was OK to take for granted. It is time to get used to the notion that America is dead and if not, it is proven that it can play dead at will and then revived into some patchwork Frankenstein facsimile of what it was remembered as.

Outrage simply does not and will not work. Satire, ridicule, shame only last as long as the next reality we just up and face. It is just the way it is. What are you going to do? 83% of Americans polled do not want this. 99.999999999999999999999999999% of all humans did not want 9/11 to happen. Now, given one swift kick to the gullet that 99.9999999999999999999999999999% did not want, they shave the shock down to a 50/50(ish) split with the promise of righteous American retribution and forever war. Then you keep splitting to the desired size of shards they want. Then splinter them from there. Mosh the common tongue into nothingness so that even if you had a tale it would be believed and considered for a flicker and then hit it from there.

So guillotines or no, it doesn't matter. They have committed to erasing us, everyone, the ecosystem etc and they are testing every last safeguard the United States has until there are none. Like dropping in for the first time on a halfpipe, that means you have committed to slam or ride it out, no matter how many bones you break. Right wing fascism has committed this time.

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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby 82_28 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:09 am

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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby 82_28 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:53 am

‘Harlem Shake’ Creators Threaten Legal Action Against FCC Chairman Ajit Pai

The brains behind the viral hit “Harlem Shake” are threatening legal action against Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai for his use of the song in an advertisement for the FCC’s repeal of net neutrality rules.

After famed DJ Diplo tweeted at the song’s producer Harry Rodrigues ― a DJ better known as Baauer ― about Pai’s use of the song, Rodrigues tweeted on Thursday afternoon that he’d be “taking action.”

I’m Taking action. Whatever I can do to stop this loser https://t.co/Ajo6wBATdF
— Aa (@baauer) December 14, 2017

In collaboration with conservative news outlet The Daily Caller, Pai released a video entitled “7 Things You Can Still Do On The Internet After Net Neutrality” that, at one point, features him dancing to the 2013 song. The video went out just one day before the FCC voted to repeal the Obama-era regulations currently in effect.

Baauer gave a statement to Billboard Dance about the use of his song without his permission, saying that it “obviously comes as a surprise to me as it was just brought to my attention.”

“I want to be clear that it was used completely without my consent or council [sic]. My team and I are currently exploring every single avenue available to get it taken down. I support Net Neutrality like the vast majority of this country and am appalled to be associated with its repeal in anyway.”
The Daily Caller

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A screenshot of Pai dancing to “Harlem Shake” in the video from The Daily Caller.

In addition to Baauer, the record label responsible for “Harlem Shake,” Mad Decent, also tweeted that they do not “approve of the message contained therein” and would be pursuing “further legal action if it is not removed.”

Official statement re the use of “Harlem Shake” in Daily Caller’s video of FCC Chairman Ajit Pai: neither Mad Decent nor Baauer approved this use nor do we approve of the message contained therein. We have issued a takedown will pursue further legal action if it is not removed.
— MAD DECENT (@maddecent) December 15, 2017

As of publication, the video has been removed from Youtube. It is still live on The Daily Caller’s Facebook page.


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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:36 am

Thanks for that ......there is no honesty in Pizzagate world :)
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Re: "Restoring Internet Freedom"

Postby Karmamatterz » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:08 am

Lots of angst being experienced over this bureaucratic decision. I guess we shall see how things pan out. Whatever happens, people always have a choice to buy a product or service, or not. Don't like your rates our paying to stream Netflix? Buy a DVD and watch the show on your home player. Or just read a book, write letters on paper and send them to your friends/family.

My job is 100% dependent on the Internet. In no way am I concerned that this vote is all the sudden going to cause a gigantic problem for people using the Internet. People have choices to use or not use things. You have a choice to use toll roads or not. By the way, the toll roads in my state are some of the best highways I've ever driven on in the U.S. I have no problem paying the toll fee to drive. Toll roads in Illinois suck though, same with some in NY and Jersey. There have been some good arguments about public infrastructure and corporate subsidies. Unfortunately our "elected" officials have allowed all this crap to flourish for decades and it seems there is no end to it. So I'm not going to weep and become angst ridden over decisions these people make.

I stopped subscribing to TV via my local cable company a year ago. There is very little value in it except for some sports I enjoy watching, which I can do at my girlfriends or a local pub. It's my choice to spend money on that...or not. It's my choice to listen to old CDs or stream music via my phone or home Internet connection. It's ridiculous to think I should have unlimited bandwidth for either. Should we also expect to have unlimited food, water and electricity without paying for it? Should we expect that just because you can find all sorts of free music online that you should never have to pay for it? How about any content produced by artists, writers, photographers or film makers? Do they deserve to be compensated for their work? Or is it okay to rip them off and steal their works?

The public can decide if a corporation deserves to be run out of business. You get enough people to stop using the product or service and eventually things work out. If enough customers get pissed off at Comcast and stop using their service likely Comcast will make some changes. Nobody is forcing you to use the Internet, there are plenty of other means of communication and old fashioned methods to commerce. I have no sympathy for someone who is screaming their ability to watch Netflix might be impinged. Don't like fast food? Don't eat it. If product or service is crappy don't buy it. Since when do we expect businesses to not make a profit? I mean come on people, that is why businesses are created, to make money. Making a profit is not evil.
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