Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

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Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:46 pm

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Renders the myriad Trump threads moot.


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Trump Isn’t Another Hitler. He’s Another Obama.

Not a lot of people remember this, but George W Bush actually campaigned in 2000 against the interventionist foreign policy that the United States had been increasingly espousing. Far from advocating the full-scale regime change ground invasions that his administration is now infamous for, Bush frequently used the word “humble” when discussing the type of foreign policy he favored, condemning nation-building, an over-extended military, and the notion that America should be the world’s police force.

Eight years later, after hundreds of thousands of human lives had been snuffed out in Iraq and Afghanistan and an entire region horrifically destabilized, Obama campaigned against Bush’s interventionist foreign policy, edging out Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries partly because she had supported the Iraq invasion while he had condemned it. The Democrats, decrying the warmongering tendencies of the Republicans, elected a President of the United States who would see Bush’s Afghanistan and Iraq and raise him Libya, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan, and Somalia, along with a tenfold increase in drone strikes. Libya collapsed into a failed state where a slave trade now runs rampant, and half a million people died in the Syrian war that Obama and US allies exponentially escalated.

Eight years later, a reality TV star and WWE Hall-of-Famer was elected President of the United States by the other half of the crowd who was sick to death of those warmongering Democrats. Trump campaigned on a non-interventionist foreign policy, saying America should fight terrorists but not enter into regime change wars with other governments. He thrashed his primary opponents as the only one willing to unequivocally condemn Bush and his actions, then won the general election partly by attacking the interventionist foreign policy of his predecessor and his opponent, and criticizing Hillary Clinton’s hawkish no-fly zone agenda in Syria.

Now he’s approved the selling of arms to Ukraine to use against Russia, a dangerously hawkish move that even Obama refused to make for fear of increasing tensions with Moscow. His administration has escalated troop presence in Afghanistan and made it abundantly clear that the Pentagon has no intention of leaving Syria anytime soon despite the absence of any reasonable justification for US presence there. The CIA had ratcheted up operations in Iran months into Trump’s presidency, shortly before the administration began running the exact same script against that country that the Obama administration ran on Libya, Syria and Ukraine.

Maybe US presidents are limited to eight years because that’s how long it takes the public to forget everything.


In the lead-up to the November elections those of us on the left who backed third parties were promised over and over and over again by Democratic party loyalists that if Hillary Clinton failed to secure the election there’d be goose-stepping stormtroopers patrolling the streets and murdering non-whites with impunity, concentration camps for Muslims and white supremacist extermination programs. Comparisons to Hitler went on nonstop, and anyone who failed to fall in line with the mainstream liberal narrative can attest that they were accused of aiding actual, literal Nazism on a regular basis.

A year into Trump’s presidency, and not only did the apocalyptic predictions of national genocide fail to come true, he’s not even deporting as many immigrants as Obama. He is, however, out-bombing him.

We were promised another Hitler. Instead, we got another Obama, who was himself another Bush. The march into corporatist Orwellian police state at home and globalist oligarchic hegemony abroad continues unhindered for the United States of America.

And of course that march would have continued had Hillary won as well, it just would have looked a bit different. Fewer environmental deregulations, likely catastrophic escalations against the Syrian government and possibly Russia, the exact same approaches to Iran, just as much hawkishness toward North Korea but minus the tweets about button sizes, no attempts at dismantling Obama’s corporatist healthcare plan. Not much more than that.

Nobody wants to hear this. The Democrats still want to believe that the sitting president is simultaneously a Nazi, a Kremlin secret agent, an idiot, and a lunatic, and Trump supporters want to believe that he’s a populist savior fighting to liberate the nation from the claws of the deep state. Because of their partisan blinders they will both find reasons to believe they’ve got either a savior or a traitor in the White House despite the fact that their country’s actual policy and behavior remains more or less the same.

I still sometimes get Democrats telling me that Trump is about to flip into Hitler 2.0 any minute now and start throwing non-whites into extermination camps. Whenever I point out that they were wrong about their “your choices are Hillary or Hitler” alarmism I get a bunch of them telling me “give him time”. Well he’s had time. They were wrong. They didn’t get a Nazi, they got another shitty neocon. And since the Dems have been paced into alignment with the neocons there’s no one left to oppose their agendas, which is why we’re seeing so little pushback on Trump’s Iran saber rattling.

I get Trump supporters telling me that he’s fighting the deep state, but the only way you can believe that at this point is to redefine “deep state” to mean “Democrats and their supporters”, which would actually just be more partisan bickering, which is all we’re actually seeing at this point. The only people you see pushing the collusion narrative and working for impeachment at this point are Democrats and Never-Trumpers; now that Trump has proven himself a good, compliant little boy the intelligence community has been putting its energy into the anti-detente propaganda effort to manufacture support for its new cold war escalations instead.

The MAGA crowd tells me their guy has de-escalated the Syrian situation in an attempt to paint him as less pro-war than his predecessor, but that’s not even true either. Until US troops actually leave Syria, all this administration has done is kill a bunch of people (many of them civilians), occupy parts of a sovereign nation, and refuse to leave. Why are those troops still there when Syria and its allies are perfectly capable of handling any remaining traces of ISIS as they have been? No good reason, that’s for sure.

This is not the fault of the American people. The American people consistently vote against interventionist wars (as evidenced by the fact that winning presidential candidates have to campaign against them), and while they may be guilted by the tribe into flag-waving once the troops are there, they consistently say no to every request for consent for more empire-building wars. In my recent article about how the CNN/CIA narrative is running the same script for Iran as they did for Libya and Syria, most of the pushback I received was from good people who wanted to make sure I knew that they didn’t consent to military intervention, they were simply offering their support for the people of Iran.

Which is about as naive and sweet as a kid wanting to help the nice old man find his puppy. I understand you wanting to help find the puppy America, but for God’s sake please don’t get in that man’s van.

So the will of the American people has been heard loud and clear. They do not consent to more regime change wars and more military interventions. They do not want that.

Through the trickery of the mainstream media though, they are paced by fear-mongering and guilting into a reluctant, bargaining, “Well okay then…” consent which is quickly turned over into flag-waving enthusiasm because you have to support your troops, don’tchaknow? And I get that! Everyone knows a serviceman or woman; you don’t want to make them feel sad or like their life is being wasted. That’s such a tragedy! Who wants to make that conscious?
Let’s be clear, too: the troops are often from some of the finest of working and middle-class families across the States, families whose strong sense of morality about right and wrong led their young sons and daughters to make the courageous decision to enter the armed forces. These young men and women were born with the most exemplary of desires. They want to make the world a better place and they are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to do so. People love these families and they love their children.

These young people really are our best new humans. They are so committed to the highest interest that they would put aside their self-interest to do so. Do you know how rare that quality is in a human? And these young people are being taken from us young, whether that be by death or by destroying their beautiful minds as they are warped by the war machine into thinking that evil is good. Taken and used to pump up the egos of a selfish few.

In a healthy culture, the highest interest would dictate the desires of these young men and women. Unfortunately, the “highest interest” which should be assessed by the will of the people, is not being heard. It is not being enacted. The will of the people has repeatedly said that it does not want to send these young people off to kill another country’s young people to shore up the share portfolios of a few cancerous beings. The will of the people consistently says no to that, but it has been corralled by a small group of bloodthirsty vampires, parasites who will happily lay any amount of young bodies to waste to win their tiny dick battles until they are finally satisfied with the amount of zeroes on their bank statements.

Spoiler alert: they never will be.

Americans talk about “seeing through the partisan bullshit” of US politics like it’s some kind of magical superpower, but it’s not. Both parties act in slightly different ways toward the exact same ends, working together like the jab-cross combination of a boxer to advance the same warmongering, corporatist oligarchic agendas, and there’s no reason to believe any of them about anything. America has two corporatist war parties who serve a plutocratic class of elites; one of them wears a cowboy hat, the other has pink hair. That’s it. That’s all you need to see to free yourself from the illusion.

Please stop attacking one another for the evils that have been inflicted on you by this small group of sociopaths, America. Stop buying into the two-party good cop/bad cop schtick that the elites use to turn urban Americans against rural Americans and turn your anger toward your real enemies.
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby norton ash » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:09 pm

Yeah, yeah, they're both terrible and so is America's role in the world. Fuck the Dems. But Trump is an obscenity of a different magnitude. This column makes absolutely nothing we discuss here about Trump moot. Fight the real enemies with general strikes, boycotts, write-in candidates and tax revolts.. so maybe this administration in its full degenerate debasement and by its glaring crimes will provoke that response.
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:31 pm

Donald Trump would never do anything to go against Mogilevich’s wishes. Unless and until Vladimir Putin takes care of Mogilevich for Donald Trump, Trump would never expose his boss.


the new boss is the number one Russian Mafia boss and that is a very different ball game when the president of the United States is being blackmailed by a Russian crime family
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Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby Burnt Hill » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:32 pm

Promoting the similitude can be just as hazardous as promoting the dichotomy.
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:34 pm

OMG


Caitlin Johnstone

Rogue journalist, poet, and utopia prepper.....

yea there is the ultimate authority on everything :roll:

like I am EVER going to "work" with the Alt-Right to "demolish" the 4th Estate!


work with Nazis .....work with Mike Cernovich...are you kidding me? NEVER

this is NOT about trump illegally colluded with the Russian government to steal the 2016 election Ms. Caitlin ...this is about trump being blackmailed by Mogilevich

Donald Trump would never do anything to go against Mogilevich’s wishes. Unless and until Vladimir Putin takes care of Mogilevich for Donald Trump, Trump would never expose his boss.

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Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby liminalOyster » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:10 pm

IMHO the first metric for a piece like Johnstone's, assuming it's not total rubbish altogether, is simply: 1) Is it valuable at all? 2) is the position it takes already adequately represented in the current media/political matrix?

I've never seen a piece by her that didn't get a 1) Y, 2) N. Barring maybe some overly plaintive Jill Stein promotion mid 2016.

Most of the material here lately gets a 1) Y, 2) Y. FWIW.
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:19 pm

Burnt Hill » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:32 pm wrote:Promoting the similitude can be just as hazardous as promoting the dichotomy.
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How so?
To this point, the status quo has benefited greatly by perpetuating 'dichotomy'. We've yet to see any sort of platform implemented that overtly acknowledges that both parties are part of the same 'status quo'. What hazard are you referring to with the former?

I do agree that any new "system" will be just as susceptible to corruption as the prior system so long as we continue to live among humans who place blind ambition, greed and power accumulation above all else. I see no way out of the malaise so long as the majority remain fractured, lacking consensus. The system is set up to prevent consensus.

Trump is a deviation from 'softer' tactics -- perhaps part of an exprimental program, or a means to re-set the baseline, or a variation of both and more -- but business continues as usual while half the nation froths at the mouth at the latest Trump headline.


I see also that some are opting to discredit the messenger/author rather than address the core message.
I don't regularly follow the author; my focus was on the overall theme of the article.
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby American Dream » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:22 pm

She is trouble:

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Rats in Sheep Clothing – Vectors of neo-Fascism

November 2, 2017 Yoav Litvin

Infiltration of Left-wing spaces is a common and insidious form of normalization of fascistic ideology, politicians and policies. Such vectors of the fascist plague – rats in sheep clothing – seek to promote “red-brown” alliances, and squash any meaningful threat from a mobilized anti-fascist Left.

Rats in sheep clothing are easier to spot if one knows what to look for. In essence, these propagandists perpetuate a con job by using pseudo-intellectual, ahistorical analyses, and ambiguous, manipulative and convoluted language to mask their underlying motivations.

Rats in sheep clothing provide the smoke and mirrors necessary for the fortification and domination of the reactionary, White supremacist, anti-Semitic, counter-revolutionary forces they champion, and will attack and ridicule their sworn enemies – anti-fascists and anarchists, from a so-called Leftist perspective.

Rats in sheep clothing will deny the very existence of fascism, scapegoat Jews and other “out” groups such as immigrants (also groups that are more sensitive to growing bigotry), convey opinions as facts, and heavily rely on a contrived “unity” to deflect challenges to their writings and actions (see here).

Finally, due to their syncretistic and often contradictory set of belief systems, rats in sheep clothing will continue the fascist tradition of psychological projection and scapegoating, accusing their enemies of their own inadequacies.


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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:22 pm

Cool. I'm not the only one who finds most everything Johnstone writes problematic.
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:45 pm

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Yea, that's cool.
What about the OP article do you find problematic?
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:57 pm

Norton already covered it. No need to repeat another way what he said.
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby Burnt Hill » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:09 pm

Belligerent Savant wrote:How so?


Well you provide pretty good reasons right here -

Belligerent Savant wrote:any new "system" will be just as susceptible to corruption as the prior system so long as we continue to live among humans who place blind ambition, greed and power accumulation above all else.


Those traits are exemplified by the Man and party in power right now.
Promoting similitude imports this.

And promoting the similitude allows you to say this -

Belligerent Savant wrote:Trump is a deviation from 'softer' tactics -- perhaps part of an exprimental program, or a means to re-set the baseline, or a variation of both and more -- but business continues as usual while half the nation froths at the mouth at the latest Trump headline.


Trump is more much more than a deviation. And this - "part of an experimental program, or a means to re-set the baseline, or a variation of both and more" -
implies this is far beyond business as usual, doesn't it?
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby nashvillebrook » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:21 pm

Trump’s analogue is Berlusconi, not Obama — and not just in tone. Obama pandered to the financial elite, while often bristling at being told what to do by the military. Trump panders to the military and bristles at the financial elite. This is a fundamental contrast that could likely be used to predict outcomes —> obama sought technocratic fixes, trump seeks a bully’s fix.

Obama was indeed the Deportation President...and constantly got a pass from establishment immigration activists. It’s a betrayal that (I believe) pulled the rug out from under activist immigrant communities, who otherwise might be effective at #resisting Trump. The movement was fractured after 2012 midterms when Obama punted (yet again) on the “path to citizenship.”

Trump and Berlusconi both flout a mobbed-up approach to business, financial conflicts of interests, and vulgarian tastes. Both know how to use and misdirect the media (or own it). Both — obviously unfit to lead by temperament.

ETA - just saw Luther’s response in the Socialism thread about Berlusconi/Trump...all that!
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:39 pm

sorry for not addressing the substance of the article you posted BS .....I just hadn't gotten over your last reply to me in the other thread from last night .....I just didn't feel up to a discussion just like you were and never are up to a discussion with me and as far as commenting on the author instead of what she wrote .....welcome to my world....happens to me all the time here


I find the lady from Australia needs a bit of schooling about the U.S. and it's citizens before she lectures me on the government I live under. I am also not fond of living with a president who is beholden to a mob guy that deals all over the world in stolen nuclear material


Belligerent Savant » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:53 pm wrote:.

Why don't you just post a naked photo of her? You've already brought this place down to that level anyway.
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Re: Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:13 pm

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