Crazed Right-Wing Sites Pushing Nunes #ReleaseTheMemo

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Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:28 pm

https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=856

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Nunes Statement on Release of HPSCI Memo
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Washington, February 2, 2018

The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence today made public a committee memo with information on abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Chairman Nunes issued the following statement:

“The Committee has discovered serious violations of the public trust, and the American people have a right to know when officials in crucial institutions are abusing their authority for political purposes. Our intelligence and law enforcement agencies exist to defend the American people, not to be exploited to target one group on behalf of another. It is my hope that the Committee’s actions will shine a light on this alarming series of events so we can make reforms that allow the American people to have full faith and confidence in their governing institutions.”

The memo is available here and here. Key points are here, a charge and response is here, and a summary of FISA Title I is here.
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Re: Crazed Right-Wing Sites Pushing Nunes #ReleaseTheMemo

Postby Jerky » Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:40 pm

Well, THAT's a whole lotta nuthin.

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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Feb 03, 2018 9:04 am

of course it contained no facts but we are not living in a world of facts any longer ...

Nunes did his job very well for trump supporters ....and trump network Faux News carries on




It's is lovely that it took Carter Page for the republicans to care about my civil rights :roll:

In 2013, three Russian spies tried to recruit Carter Page as a Kremlin asset. The FBI charged all three, deporting two with diplomatic immunity and imprisoning the third. Page was told what happened, and yet he kept trying to get in touch with the Kremlin.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/us/p ... ussia.html


Trump just left for Florida. Again. The stock market is crashing, the government is set to shut down next week, there’s no deal for DREAMers yet, the SOTU bombed & the Nunes memo is a nothingburger dud. And Trump’s headed to Florida for another taxpayer funded vacation.

What I want to know is how Carter Page knew back in October that Paul Ryan would use his power to expose the dossier’s inclusion in the Page FISA affidavit.

Given that Carter Page said Paul Ryan would release his FISA memo and given that Paul Ryan, with Devin Nunes, did so, is it fair to assume leaks abt Carter Page's targeting came from GOP?

Carter Page knew Paul Ryan was going to release that info 4 months before it was declassified and released.

Same way Guiliani knew about bombshells coming just before the election.

THE TREY GOWDY RETIREMENT

February 1, 2018/70 Comments/in Mueller Probe /by emptywheel


I’ve had a busy few days at other sites. I did this piece (on the dossier) at Politico and had an enjoyable appearance on Democracy Now this morning.

I want to highlight something I discussed on DN that has gotten drowned out in the rest of the day’s news: Trey Gowdy’s decision to retire, taken even as he was raising money for his reelection.

AMY GOODMAN: You know, I meant to say progressive activists, not even Democratic congressmembers, when it came to being concerned about FBI and intelligence and NSA overreach. But you mentioned Trey Gowdy. And yesterday, the Republican congressman from South Carolina, a chair of the House Oversight Committee, announced he is not going to seek re-election. He was instrumental in crafting the Nunes memo. Can you talk about the significance of him leaving Congress, leader in the Benghazi investigation, attacking Hillary Clinton, etc.?

MARCY WHEELER: Yeah, Trey Gowdy, when he’s in front of a camera, is one of the most blustery Republican partisans. But you can tell, even, for example, from the Carter Page transcript, his interview with House Intelligence Committee, that behind closed doors he actually is a competent prosecutor, which is—you know, he’s got a background in that. And he can hammer Republican witnesses.

So, what’s interesting about Gowdy is that he—the underlying materials—this is another complaint the Democrats have. The only people who have read the underlying materials are Adam Schiff, four staffers—two of Adam Schiff’s and two of Devin Nunes’s—and Trey Gowdy. It would have been Devin Nunes, but Devin Nunes, probably because of the recusal you talked about earlier, had Gowdy do it instead. So, the only people who have actually looked at the underlying materials include Trey Gowdy. Now, he didn’t write the memo, Nunes’s staffers did. So there’s this game of telephone going on already.

On Sunday, on one of the Sunday shows, Trey—I think it was a Fox show—Trey Gowdy said, “You know, this memo should come out. It’s important. But my side should not use it to undermine the Mueller investigation.” And the reason he gave is that what is not being seen about the Mueller investigation is there’s a whole counterintelligence side to it. There’s a whole side of it investigating how the Russians tampered in our election. And according to Gowdy, who has seen these underlying documents, he thinks that’s an important and legitimate investigation.

Now, we don’t know fully why he decided not to run. He did cite yesterday that he’s sick of politics. But what’s interesting is, yesterday morning, he was still fundraising. So, as of yesterday morning, he was still planning on running. There’s also reports that Don McGahn, who is the White House counsel, who has been in this sort of obstructive role for Trump, as well, was discussing with Gowdy a position on the Fourth Circuit as a circuit court judge, which is something Gowdy has been interested in the past, and Gowdy turned that down. So, Gowdy, even though he is this fire-breathing partisan hack—you know, you go back to the Benghazi case—he seems to have seen something in the underlying investigation that troubles him, that his Republican partisan colleagues are not paying attention to. And so, Gowdy may surprise us, going forward. But I do think that that is an interesting development yesterday, that the one guy on the House Intelligence Committee who’s actually seen the underlying intelligence has decided to get out of the Republican partisan hackery rat race.

This piece in Politico emphasizes his disillusionment with the partisanship, especially around the Mueller inquiry. It sounds like he’s getting concerned that the GOP defense of Trump is beginning to threaten DOJ.

Gowdy has found himself butting heads in recent months with Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) and other pro-Trump Republicans who have hinted at corruption at the FBI. He’s expressed concerns about anti-Trump texts by some FBI officials, and he has said on TV that Congress has a duty to oversee the agency. But behind the scenes he’s had to rein in some of his conservative colleagues who want to undercut the entirety of the Justice Department, which he views as essential to American life.


I know we’ve been trained to consider Gowdy the worst kind of partisan, but in some witness transcripts it’s clear he’s seeing the GOP bullshit (and, like I said on DN, he’s the one guy who has seen what Mueller is looking at).

Gowdy is trusted by many of his colleagues. And if he begins to defend the Mueller inquiry, things may begin to shift under Trump.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/02/01/t ... etirement/




........and Glenn Greenwald is back on Faux News AGAIN with the White Nationalist Tucker Carlson

and.....Faux News gives 30 minutes of airtime to Russian government agent Ms. Veselnitskaya........Russian lawyer at Trump Tower meeting speaks to Faux News about the Trump dossier, Glenn Simpson, the 2016 Trump Tower meeting with Donald Trump, Jr.

Ms. Veselnitskaya claims that the meeting was "banal". Why then, did Paul Manafort have a note on his phone that said, "value in Cyprus..."?

3- Vassiliades is the Cyprus lawyer who owns at least 60% of Trump's Moscow developer, IC Expert. He has numerous money laundering allegations against him for helping high-profile criminals from Russia, Ukraine, Romania, Austria and elsewhere "wash" their money in Cyprus.
https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/statu ... 5835120640


seemslikeadream » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:28 am wrote:
CONSPIRACY
Trump Tower Russian Lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, Exposed in Swiss Corruption Case

Natalia Veselnitskaya, who organized the notorious Trump Tower meeting, has been named in an explosive Swiss court case about bribery, corruption, and double-agents.

NICO HINES
01.29.18 8:00 AM ET
LONDON—The Moscow operation behind the now-infamous Russian-Trump Tower meeting in June 2016 included a direct attempt to enlist a foreign country’s law-enforcement official as a virtual double-agent, according to a court case in Switzerland.

One of Switzerland’s top investigators has been fired after allegations of bribery, violating secrecy laws, and “unauthorized clandestine behavior” in meeting with the very same Russian actors linked to the Trump Tower encounter.

Details of the explosive case have been published by investigative reporters for the Tribune de Genève and Tages-Anzeiger newspapers in Switzerland. The officer, identified only as Victor K., traveled to Moscow—against the expressed wishes of his superiors—where he spoke to Natalia Veselnitskaya, the lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort, and Jared Kushner at Trump Tower.

The meeting was reportedly set up by Russian Deputy Attorney General Saak Albertovich Karapetyan—from the same rogue department that was apparently responsible for offering intel on Hillary Clinton to be shared at the Trump Tower meeting and the Kremlin’s further plots to influence U.S. politics.

The reports, which are based on Swiss court papers, describe how K. was lured to Moscow during a call from Karapetyan before Christmas 2016. He was told not to go by his boss, ostensibly because he was working too much overtime, but made the trip anyway, using his diplomatic passport to fly to the Russian capital. There he was put up in a luxury hotel and asked to attend an unexpected meeting with Veselnitskaya.

In the case against K.—who had been entrusted with investigating the Swiss financial arrangements of the Russian mafia and oligarchs for decades—it emerged that he had previously met Karapetyan in Geneva and Zurich, as well as Russia "without the knowledge of his superiors."


According to the the Tages-Anzeiger, the Swiss Federal Administrative Court ruled that this amounted to unacceptable "unauthorized clandestine behavior," which brought the integrity of the Federal Criminal Police into question. "In particular, it gives the impression that they do not have their employees under control and thus creates an unpredictable security risk in their delicate field."

The interest of Veselnitskaya and the Russian Prosecutor General’s office is likely to be linked back to a $230 million tax fraud which was uncovered by Sergei Magnitsky, a lawyer who was working for Bill Browder, whose Hermitage Capital had major investments in Russia. After discovering the massive financial crime which could be linked back to the Russian government, Magnitsky was arrested, beaten, and allowed to die in a Russian jail cell.

A series of laws in Magnitsky’s name have been enacted all over the world imposing sanctions on Russians accused of corruption or complicity in the death of Magnitsky and the subsequent cover up. President Barack Obama signed the U.S. Magnitsky Act in 2012.

A large proportion of those stolen funds are believed to have made their way into the Swiss banking sector, sparking investigations by the Swiss authorities, including the federal police and Swiss prosecutor’s offices, both of which worked closely with K.

Alexander Perepilichnyy, a Russian businessman living near London, had tipped off Magnitsky about the role played by Switzerland in the international scam. A few weeks before he was due to give evidence at a hearing in Lausanne he died suddenly while out running.

British detectives initially concluded that there was nothing suspicious about the sudden collapse of the 44-year-old whistleblower—despite his own fears that he would be assassinated. A later toxicology investigation found traces of the deadly Gelsemium elegans flower, which is a known weapon of Chinese and Russian contract killers.

The Swiss court investigating K. heard that Veselnitskaya had raised the question of the Magnitsky case with him during that Moscow meeting. Swiss accounts linked to the fraud are still frozen.

Don. Jr and others have confirmed that Veselnitskaya raised similar issues during the summit at Trump Tower earlier in 2016.
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Re: Crazed Right-Wing Sites Pushing Nunes #ReleaseTheMemo

Postby Jerky » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:08 am

Jesus Fucking Nailholes, SLAD... the criminality that becomes obvious when one takes in all the available information about this sick mess of a Presidency is absolutely mind-boggling... it's beyond belief.

How was it even possible for the American system to fail this catastrophically?

Trump simply should NOT have been allowed to come anywhere near the Presidency. His "election" -- however it was achieved (and I personally lean towards significant electoral tampering for a number of reasons including a growing body of evidence) -- was/is a wide awake nightmare of epic proportions.

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Re: Crazed Right-Wing Sites Pushing Nunes #ReleaseTheMemo

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:44 pm

the only thing left is the mocking


#YoMemoJokes trends nationwide, adding to Trump’s humiliation over memo failure
By Caroline Orr |
FEBRUARY 3, 2018

Twitter users mocking the failed memo pushed the hashtag to the top of the national trends list overnight.


As Donald Trump took to Twitter to try to convince Americans that the GOP’s overhyped memo was not as much of a failure as it appeared to be, Twitter users were busy elsewhere — tweeting jokes about the memo under the hashtag #YoMemoJokes.

The hashtag, a clever play on words, was pushed to the top trending hashtag nationwide overnight. As of 10:30 Saturday morning, it was still trending in the #2 spot nationwide.


Clearly, Twitter users were not impressed by the memo, which was written by Trump stooge Devin Nunes and released by the White House on Friday — and they weren’t about to let it go unnoticed.

Hey, Yo’ Memo...Y2K called...it wants it’s pointless hype back. #YoMemoJokes


Hey, Devin.
Yo memo so bankrupt, it used to be a Trump casino.#YoMemoJokes
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Yo’ memo so fake, Sheriff Clarke pinning it on his Uniform!
#YoMemoJokes
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Yo memo is so devoid of useful information Betsy DeVos added it to every school curriculum.#YoMemoJokes

Yo Memo so insignificant that @jeffsessions remembered it. #YoMemoJokes

As Twitter users were busy turning the memo into fodder for jokes, Trump was desperately trying to salvage the memo — to no avail.

In a tweet Saturday morning, Trump claimed the memo “totally vindicates ‘Trump’ in probe.” Unfortunately for Trump, no one noticed his tweet because they were too busy writing jokes about his phony memo.
https://shareblue.com/yomemojokes-trend ... eA.twitter


when your memo is crapped on by Alberto "torture memo" Gonzales, you're up shithole creek I think @DevinNunes
Ex-AG: “I have no confidence whatsoever" in Nunes memo http://hill.cm/Bb2nlKL



well there is a serious aspect

THE RIGHT WING
Key Watergate Scandal Figure John Dean Says Nunes Should Go to Prison for ‘Betraying National Security’
Dean wrote a similar memo when he was an attorney in the Nixon-era White House.

By Bob Brigham / Raw Story February 3, 2018, 8:33 AM GMT


John Dean in March of 1973.

A key figure from the Watergate scandal which brought down administration of President Richard Nixon believes that House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-CA) should serve time in jail for his “scam” of a memo.

John Dean was an associate deputy Attorney General and White House counsel before pleading guilty to obstruction of justice. Dean ended up serving four months in federal detention and was disbarred as an attorney.

“Nunes co-conspirator on the Hill is his staffer Kashyap Patel,” Dean charged.

Patel is the lead Nunes staffer behind the memo. Patel was issued a rare “order of ineptitude” from a federal judge in 2016.

“They both belong in jail for betraying national security with their scam,” he continued.

Dean’s conclusion that prison is necessary for the Nunes memo is notable because of Dean’s role crafting a similar memo.

On Friday, former Watergate prosecutor Jill Wine-Banks explained the parallels to MSNBC’s Chris Hayes.

“First of all, Richard Nixon asked John Dean to write a whitewash memo, saying he had fully investigated the accusations and that no one in the White House or on the Committee to Re-Elect the President was involved,” Wine-Banks explained.

“That’s what’s this memo was. It is a whitewash,” Wine-Banks said.
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Re: Crazed Right-Wing Sites Pushing Nunes #ReleaseTheMemo

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:20 pm

How Twitter Bots and Trump Fans Made #ReleaseTheMemo Go Viral

Russian bots and their American allies gamed social media to put a flawed intelligence document atop the political agenda. That should alarm us.

By MOLLY K. MCKEWFebruary 04, 2018
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On Tuesday morning — the day after the House Intelligence Committee voted along partisan lines to send Rep. Devin Nunes’ memo, alleging abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, to President Trump for declassification — presidential adviser Kellyanne Conway was confronted with the idea that Russian trolls were promoting the #releasethememo hashtag online. She was offended. Russian trolls, she told a television interviewer, “have nothing to do with releasing the memo — that was a vote of the intelligence committee.” But her assertion is incorrect. The vote marked the culmination of a targeted, 11-day information operation that was amplified by computational propaganda techniques and aimed to change both public perceptions and the behavior of American lawmakers.

And it worked. By the time the memo got to the president, its release was a forgone conclusion — even before he had read it.

This bears repeating: Computational propaganda — defined as “the use of information and communication technologies to manipulate perceptions, affect cognition, and influence behavior” — has been used, successfully, to manipulate the perceptions of the American public and the actions of elected officials.

The analysis below, conducted by our team from the social media intelligence group New Media Frontier, shows that the #releasethememo campaign was fueled by, and likely originated from, computational propaganda. It is critical that we understand how this was done and what it means for the future of American democracy.

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In the space of a few hours on January 18, #releasethememo exploded on Twitter, evolving over the next few days from being a marker for discussion on Nunes’ memo through multiple iterations of an expanding conspiracy theory about missing FBI text messages and imaginary secret societies plotting internal coups against the president. #releasethememo provided an organizational framework for this comprehensive conspiracy theory, which, in its underpinnings, is meant to minimize and muddle concerns about Russian interference in American politics.

The rapid appearance and amplification of this messaging campaign, flagged by the German Marshall Fund’s Hamilton68 dashboard as being promoted by accounts previously linked to Russian disinformation efforts, sparked the leading Democrats on the House and Senate Intelligence Committees to write a letter to Twitter and Facebook asking for information on whether or not this campaign was driven by Russian accounts. Another report, sourced to analysis said to be from Twitter itself, identified the hashtag as an “organic” “American” campaign linked to “Republican” accounts. Promoters of #releasethememo rapidly began mocking the idea that they are Russian bots. (There are even entirely new accounts set up to tweet that they are not Russian bots promoting #releasethememo, even though their only content is about releasing the supposed memo.)

But this back and forth masks the real point. Whether it is Republican or Russian or “Macedonian teenagers” — it doesn't really matter. It is computational propaganda — meaning artificially amplified and targeted for a specific purpose — and it dominated political discussions in the United States for days. The #releasethememo campaign came out of nowhere. Its movement from social media to fringe/far-right media to mainstream media so swift that both the speed and the story itself became impossible to ignore. The frenzy of activity spurred lawmakers and the White House to release the Nunes memo, which critics say is a purposeful misrepresentation of classified intelligence meant to discredit the Russia probe and protect the president.

And this, ultimately, is what everyone has been missing in the past 14 months about the use of social media to spread disinformation. Information and psychological operations being conducted on social media — often mischaracterized by the dismissive label “fake news” — are not just about information, but about changing behavior. And they can be surprisingly effective.

The anatomy of the campaign

On the afternoon of January 18, a group of congressmen started tweeting about the Nunes FISA abuse memo. At 3:47pm, Rep. Matt Gaetz went on FoxBusiness and gave an interview about the supposed memo. None of them, to this point, were talking about #releasethememo—the hashtag, that is.

The hashtag originated with Twitter user @underthemoraine at 3:52pm on January 18. The tweet tags the president, @realDonaldTrump. The account for @underthemoraine, most recently named “Lois Lerner Testimony” and whose bio references the Lerner testimony and #MAGA, is currently marked as restricted by Twitter for “unusual activity.”
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Judging from weather reports that are occasionally posted, pictures of the woods, and tweets to friends, @underthemoraine appears to be a real guy in Michigan, a battleground state (we believe we have confirmed his real name/identity, but will not use it since he does not). He has a history of tweeting about trending conservative media topics — Antifa, #BlueLivesMatter, boycotting the NFL, social media filtering out conservative views, the climate change ‘hoax’, Mueller. He engages with far-right media — Breitbart, InfoWars, Alex Jones, Drudge — and occasionally posts on astronomy and UFOs. Moraine has few followers (74 at last count) and is not particularly influential. However, his account is followed by several accounts that are probable bots as well as by the verified account of the Michigan Republican Party (@MIGOP, which first used #releasethememo at 5:41 am on Jan 19), an account that likely auto-follows other accounts that engage with it.

At 4:00 pm, one of Moraine’s followers, @KARYN19138585 — an account that has the 8-digit fingerprint associated with some Russian bot accounts — responds to @underthemoraine’s tweet, saying Moraine is the first one tweeting about this breaking news topic.
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The KARYN account is an interesting example of how bots lay a groundwork of information architecture within social media. It was registered in 2012, tweeting only a handful of times between July 2012 and November 2013 (mostly against President Barack Obama and in favor of the GOP). Then the account goes dormant until June 2016 — the period that was identified by former FBI Director Jim Comey as the beginning of the most intense phase of Russian operations to interfere in the U.S. elections. The frequency of tweets builds from a few a week to a few a day. By October 11, there are dozens of posts a day, including YouTube videos, tweets to political officials and influencers and media personalities, and lots of replies to posts by the Trump team and related journalists. The content is almost entirely political, occasionally mentioning Florida, another battleground state, and sometimes posting what appear to be personal photos (which, if checked, come from many different phones and sources and appear “borrowed”). In October 2016, KARYN is tweeting a lot about Muslims/radical Islam attacking democracy and America; how Bill Clinton had lots of affairs; alleged financial wrongdoing on Clinton’s part; and, of course, WikiLeaks.

All of these topics were promoted by Russian disinformation campaigns. There is little content promoting Trump; it is almost entirely attacking Clinton. On November 1, for example, KARYN posted a YouTube video showing “the video Hillary Clinton doesn’t want you to see” — “documenting” alleged health concerns (it got almost half a million views on YouTube). After November 9, the day after the election, KARYN’s tweet volume drops back to a couple a day. Since the revival of the account, there are more than 32,000 tweets and replies — about 66 tweets per day, plus a similar amount of likes. Based on this pattern and and the digital forensics, it’s clear KARYN is a bot — a bot that follows a random Republican guy in Michigan with 70-some followers. Why?

Bots both gather and disseminate information — the “gathering” part is important, and rarely discussed. So, let’s say KARYN was created, abandoned (as many fake accounts often are), and then reactivated and “slaved” to an effort to smear Clinton online. Why would a bot account follow some nobody in Michigan? It would be fair to say that if you were setting up accounts to track views representative of a Trump-supporter, @underthemoraine would be a pulse to keep a finger on — the virtual Michigan “man in the diner” or “taxi driver” that journalists are forever citing as proof of conversations with real, non-political humans in swing-states. KARYN follows hundreds of such accounts, plus conservative media, and a lot of other bots.

Back to the afternoon of January 18: KARYN retweets Moraine’s post, becoming the third account to use the hashtag; around this time, automation networks — groups of accounts that automatically retweet, reply to or repost identical content, sometimes using software platforms and sometimes using lists — start weighing in on the hashtag.

The second account to tweet #releasethememo is @well_in_usa — an account opened in July 2014, now largely deleted. The account, which in 2016 was tweeting a steady stream of anti-Clinton, pro-Trump content, weighing in on topics like “Clinton enabling sexual predators” and #ArrestSoros, has been deleting its tweets since people started watching #releasethememo (as of January 25, everything after December 19, 2017 was deleted; as of January 29, only a handful of replies from 2017 remained; on February 2, retweeted content from 2016 is visible again) — but we have some of them from an archived version.
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In addition to tweeting #releasethememo to @realdonaldtrump, Well tags @RepMattGaetz and @LizClaman of Fox News, quote-tweeting a post on the Nunes memo from the fanatically pro-Trump media personality Bill Mitchell. This was, primarily, what the Well account did — retweet and reply to accounts with hashtags included, marking them into messaging campaigns. Well is engaging and directing traffic to a specific group of accounts on specific discussions. These accounts often have short shelf lives, appearing as needed and disappearing when their usefulness has passed (or once flagged by Twitter).

The fourth account to enter this mix is “Queen Covfefe” @clasimpmv, which tweeted #releasethememo at 4:00 pm and also retweeted the original Moraine tweet around 6:18 pm. Though we have confirmed her identity, we will not use it here, as she does not. The twitter ID is the same as an email listed on a linked-in account for a woman in South Carolina, an early primary state, who is a nutritionist and hemp-oil promoter. The profile photo was changed from an anonymous meme to a picture of the woman with Donald Trump at a political rally after she was accused of being a bot for promoting the hashtag. A woman with the same name was recently interviewed by a German newspaper for a profile on Trump supporters. So, this seems to be the account of a real person voluntarily and quite deliberately participating in the effort to amplify the reach of #releasethememo.

In the 24 months since the account was established, Queen has tweeted 47,000 times — about 65 times per day, so about the same rate as the active bot. She has tweeted #releasethememo hundreds of times in a few days. She often retweets lists of other twitter handles (sometimes hundreds of names per list) — “people” that you are supposed to follow and retweet to build your own following and influence. They are often labeled with “Follow/retweet/comment for a follow back!” Two such lists, for example, were retweeted by Queen on January 19 and February 2. Each list includes at least a few bots. Some bots are amplifiers — in the simplest form, they automatically follow accounts that follow them, and retweet tweets from those accounts (sometimes, other parameters such as keywords are factored in). It is an element of automation. The rest is about network, echo chamber, fake influence and amplification.

Popping up a little further down the line, around 6 p.m., is “Stonewall Jackson” @1776Stonewall, an anonymous account of a supposed “American history buff” who has around 50,000 followers, far more than early accounts that had been engaging in #releasethememo. It was launched in November 2016 (tweeting around 57 times/day), and some personal-seeming tweets reference New York. It is a “follow-back” account, so partially automated and positioned within an amplification network; it is followed by and follows many likely Russian bots, plus accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers that automatically retweet Stonewall’s content. It tweets once or twice a day about history — baseball, the Cold War, the Civil War, astronauts, the Dukes of Hazzard, etc. — but primarily, it is far-right U.S. political content.

For the first few hours, only fringe accounts promote #releasethememo. But accounts like Queen (who had just under 5,000 followers) and Stonewall begin to retweet each other and push the hashtag to their followers with explicit instructions to “make it trend.”
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These accounts are organizers and amplifiers. Technically, they both probably qualify as “cyborgs” — accounts with “human conductors” that are partly automated and linked to networks that automatically amplify content.

But in Queen’s case, she is something interesting: essentially, a willing human bot. The organization of conservative accounts like these using “Twitter rooms” to coordinate their efforts was previously reported on by Politico. Her account automatically reposts hashtags and memes and contributes to campaigns that she and the other promoters understand are purposeful attempts to game the algorithms and “make things trend.” She and others simultaneously understand who needs to be targeted with this information—in this case, the president, right-influencers and specific members of Congress. She may be a real person with real beliefs in Trump and what he represents, but when she tweets hundreds of times over the course of a week using #releasethememo, while artificially enhancing her followers (using the “follow-back” lists, etc.) and exhorting others to amplify the hashtag, she is just as much an element of computational propaganda against the American public as a Russian bot.

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Use any basic analytical software to scroll through the early promoters of #releasethememo, and you’ll see most of the accounts meet basic criteria for bot/troll/cyborg suspicion — what the Atlantic Council’s open-source intelligence research group DFRLab describes as “activity, amplification, and anonymity.” There is also a consistent theme in the list of identities — the repetition of certain words (deplorable, Texas, mom, veteran) and certain first names; use of an American flag emoji at the end of the name; specific numbers or patterns of numerical sequences associated with bots; names changed to hashtags, or frequently shifted between trending right-media topics (Benghazi, NFL boycott, the memo, the emails); photos that aren’t faces, or not unobscured faces, or certainly not of them if they are.

There is little chance an organic or incidental community, even of friends or acquaintances, would look this way online so holistically, tweeting together in such tight intervals. Several of the accounts involved in the initial promotion of this hashtag have subsequently been restricted or suspended by Twitter. Online data analysts said many accounts used to promote the hashtag were recently created, with more being created and disappearing after the hashtag appeared. Thousands still had the default profile photos. CNN’s analysis found that hundreds of accounts created after the hashtag first appeared were fueling the viral trend.

Cross reference this analysis and inputs from things like the Hamilton68 dashboard, and you can see #releasethememo is carried forward by automated accounts overnight after it begins to trend. It continued to do so from its appearance until the memo was released. The volume and noise matter — and so does the targeting.

A key function of the accounts discussed above is that they tweet at key influencers with these messaging campaigns — media personalities, far-right brand names, and elected officials who might pick up the info or hashtag and legitimize it by repeating it. The accounts tweeting #releasethememo immediately began to target the president (not an unusual occurrence), but also the Trumpiest of congressmen — Steve King, Matt Gaetz, Lee Zeldin, Trey Gowdy, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan, etc .— as well as alt- and far-right influencers and media personalities. A few active verified accounts, including @KamVTV — an account that often appears as the first verified amplifier of bot and far-right content — and @scottpresler, picked up the hashtag, and others retweeted tweets sent to them from sketchy accounts (@saracarterDC of Fox News, for example, RTed an account that is a month old and has already tweeted 1,200 times, including posting content from (other) bots and fake profiles).
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This is a basic social media information operation: Any one of these targets could see the hashtag in their mentions, replies, and quoted-tweets. That’s the goal of the coordination and amplification, at least some of which is automated — and the purpose of which is to game the algorithms and “trend” a topic.

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The hashtag #releasethememo wasn’t the only attempt to dominate online discussion. Before being targeted by amplification campaigns, there were other hashtags being put around by conservative social media mobilizers that either didn’t take off — #FISAgate, #FISAmemo, #releasethedocument, #releasethefile — and others that were previously used as catch-alls for conspiracies — #DeepState, #Transparency, etc. For example, Rep. Lee Zeldin tweeted at 4:27 p.m. on January 18 that he had just read the FISA memo and called for its public release.

He used the hashtag #transparency. In the 4 hours after that tweet, there were more than 500 tweets targeting him with the hashtag #releasethememo. At 8:28 p.m., Zeldin tweeted #releasethememo from his verified congressional account.
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Verified alt- or far-right personalities — @gatewaypundit, @jacobawohl, @scottpresler, among others — began using the hashtag, in particular tagging Matt Gaetz. At 9:53 p.m. WikiLeaks tweeted #releasethememo. Before midnight, Steve King, Mark Meadows and Matt Gaetz had all tweeted #releasethememo; so had Laura Ingraham, a massively influential conservative media personality with 2 million followers. Each time an influential verified account used the hashtag, it was rapidly promoted by a vast network of accounts. From its appearance until midnight, #releasethememo was used more than 670,000 times.
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By midnight, the hashtag was being used 250,000 times per hour. At 2:53 a m. on Jan 19, the pro-Trump conservative personality Bill Mitchell was posting an article from Breitbart about how #releasethememo was trending online. The hashtag had become the organizing framework for multiple stories and lanes of activity, focusing them into one column, which got a big boost from right-stream media and twitter personalities.

Some, like Breitbart, would argue this volume is representative of the outpouring of grassroots support for the topic. But compare this time period to other recent significant events. During a similar duration of time covering the Women’s March on January 20 — when more than a million marchers were estimated to be involved in demonstrations across the country — there was a total volume of about 606,000 tweets using the #womensmarch2018 hashtag during its peak (being used at a pace of 87,000 times per hour). During the NFL playoff game the next day (#jaxvsNE), there was a volume of 253,000 tweets, with a top speed of about 75,000 tweets/hour.
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The pace and scale of the appearance and amplification of #releasethememo is barely even comparable. This is because the hashtag benefited from computational promotion already built into the system. It was used to target lawmakers who would play a role in releasing the memo — lawmakers who argued that there was public pressure to release the memo. Up until the time of the vote, Republican members of the House Intelligence Committee were collectively targeted with #releasethememo messages over 217,000 times. Raul Labrador, Lee Zeldin, Steve King, Mark Meadows, Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz — all of whom promoted #releasethememo to the public and their colleagues — were targeted more than 550,000 times in 11 days. By the time Speaker of the House Paul Ryan spoke in favor of releasing the memo, he had been targeted with more than 225,000 messages about it.

President Trump, whom the Washington Post reported was swayed by the opinions of some of the congressmen listed above, was targeted more than a million times. Fox News personality Sean Hannity, said to speak daily with President Trump, was targeted 245,000 times and became a significant promoter of the hashtag. Hannity, of course, knows exactly what he is doing, and was recently showered with praise for his propaganda skills by colleague Geraldo Rivera, who argued “Nixon never would have been forced to resign if [Hannity] existed” back in the ‘70s.

What does it all mean?

A year after it should have become an indisputable fact that Russia launched a sophisticated, lucky, daring, aggressive campaign against the American public, we’re as exposed and vulnerable as we ever were — if not more so, because now so many tools we might have sharpened to aid us in this fight seem blunted and discarded by the very people who should be honing their edge. There is no leadership. No one is building awareness of how these automated influence campaigns are being used against us. Maybe everyone still thinks if they are the one to control it, then they win, and they’ll do it better, more ethically. For example, by using it to achieve a political goal like releasing the Nunes memo.

Social media platforms have worked diligently to make us believe they had no idea this was happening, or that they are working to expose and correct the problem. But the algorithms work exactly as they are supposed to — in one aspect, by reinforcing your own beliefs without challenging them, and in another, by creating perceptions of popularity that are intentionally false and coercive. If the Twitter analysis referred to by the Daily Beast has been accurately conveyed by the source, there should be many questions. How are they determining influence? Did Twitter know the origins of the #releasethememo campaign when it suspended some (apparently many) of the accounts involved? In which case, did they do so to hide some of the aspects of computational propaganda at play, choosing to say it was an issue of free speech — an “organic” “Republican” campaign flourishing on a healthy platform — rather than one of national security — the infestation of their platform with the deep machinery of manipulation, a portion of which is foreign?

A recent analysis from DFRLab mapped out how modern Russian propaganda is highly effective because so many diverse messaging elements are so highly integrated. Far-right elements in the United States have learned to emulate this strategy, and have used it effectively with their own computational propaganda tactics — as demonstrated by the “Twitter rooms” and documented alt-right bot-nets pushing a pro-Trump narrative.

This gets at a deeper issue: the problem with the term “fake news” is that it is completely wrong, denoting a passive intention. What is happening on social media is very real; it is not passive; and it is information warfare. There is very little argument amongst analytical academics about the overall impact of “political bots” that seek to influence how we think, evaluate and make decisions about the direction of our countries and who can best lead us — even if there is still difficulty in distinguishing whose disinformation is whose. Samantha Bradshaw, a researcher with Oxford University’s Computational Propaganda Research Project who has helped to document the impact of ‘polbot’ activity, told me: “Often, it’s hard to tell where a particular story comes from. Alt-right groups and Russian disinformation campaigns are often indistinguishable since their goals often overlap. But what really matters is the tools that these groups use to achieve their goals: Computational Propaganda serves to distort the political process and amplify fringe views in ways that no previous communication technology could.”

This machinery of information warfare remains within social media’s architecture. The challenge we still have in unravelling what happened in 2016 is how hard it is to pry the Russian components apart from those built by the far- and alt-right — they flex and fight together, and that alone should tell us something. As should the fact that there is a lesser far-left architecture that is coming into its own as part of this machine. And they all play into the same destructive narrative against the American mind.

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So what are the lessons of #releasethememo? Regardless how much of the campaign was American and how much was Russian, it’s clear there was a massive effort to game social media and put the Nunes memo squarely on the national agenda—and it worked to an astonishing degree. The bottom line is that the goals of the two overlapped, so the origin—human, machine, or otherwise—doesn’t actually matter. What matters is that someone is trying to manipulate us, tech companies are proving hopelessly unable or unwilling to police the bad actors manipulating their platforms, and politicians are either clueless about what to do about computational propaganda or—in the case of #releasethememo—are using it to achieve their goals. Americans are on their own.

And yes, that also reinforces the narrative the Russians have been pushing since 2015: You’re on your own; be angry, and burn things down. Would that a leader would step into this breech, and challenge the advancing victory of the bots and the cynical people behind them.
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Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:00 pm

Committee Votes to Release Democratic Rebuttal to G.O.P. Russia Memo

By NICHOLAS FANDOSFEB. 5, 2018

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WASHINGTON — The House Intelligence Committee voted on Monday to make public a classified Democratic memorandum rebutting Republican claims that the F.B.I. and the Justice Department had abused their powers to wiretap a former Trump campaign official, setting up a possible clash with President Trump.

The vote gives Mr. Trump five days to review the Democratic memo and determine whether he will try to block its release. A decision to stop it could lead to an ugly standoff between the president, his top law enforcement and intelligence advisers and Democrats on Capitol Hill.

Mr. Trump vocally supported the release of the Republicans’ memo last week, declassifying its contents on Friday over the objections of Democrats and his own F.B.I., which issued a rare public statement to warn that it had “grave concerns” about the memo’s accuracy. On Saturday, he claimed, incorrectly, on Saturday that the memo “totally vindicates” him in the continuing investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.

The 10-page Democratic document is certain to be less flattering to his case. Democrats have said the memo corrects mischaracterizations by the Republicans and adds crucial context to actions by the F.B.I. and the Justice Department in obtaining a secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court order to wiretap the former Trump aide, Carter Page, in October 2016.

If Mr. Trump tries to block the Democratic memo’s release, House rules allow Democrats to seek a closed-door vote of the full House of Representatives to override the president. With some Republicans now arguing for its release, the House could override the president’s decision in a rare rebuke to his authority.

A White House official said on Monday that it was prepared to review the memo.

“We will consider it along the same terms that we considered the Nunes memo — which is to allow for a legal review — national security review — led by the White House Counsel’s Office,” a White House spokesman, Raj Shah, told reporters aboard Air Force One.

But the memo’s fate is uncertain. Mr. Trump signaled earlier on Monday that he had little good will toward the committee’s Democrats, launching a broadside at Representative Adam B. Schiff of California, its top Democrat. Mr. Trump accused Mr. Schiff on Twitter of illegally leaking confidential information from the committee, called the congressman “Little Adam Schiff” and ominously said that he “must be stopped.”

In a separate tweet later in the morning, Mr. Trump praised Representative Devin Nunes of California, who spearheaded the Republican memo as the committee chairman, calling him a “Great American Hero for what he has exposed and what he has had to endure.”

Automated Twitter accounts, called bots, then appeared to push the “Little Adam Schiff” hashtag on the social media platform.

Mr. Nunes’s three-and-a-half-page memo centered on the F.B.I.’s use of material from a former British spy, Christopher Steele, in the warrant application to spy on Mr. Page. Mr. Steele was researching possible connections between Russia’s election interference and Trump associates, but the memo said that the F.B.I. had not disclosed to a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge that he was being paid by the Democratic National Committee and lawyers for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign.

Democrats have denounced the document as a tactic to undermine the investigation and to protect Mr. Trump, and they have said it is riddled with errors and omissions.

Specifically, the Democratic memo is said to contend that the F.B.I. was more forthcoming with the surveillance court than Republicans had claimed. People familiar with the Democratic document said that it reveals that while the F.B.I. did not name the Democratic National Committee or Mrs. Clinton’s campaign, the bureau disclosed to the court that the information it had received from Mr. Steele was politically motivated.

The document is also said to contest Republican claims that Andrew G. McCabe, the deputy director of the F.B.I. at the time, had testified before the Intelligence Committee late last year that the agency would not have sought a wiretap of Mr. Page without Mr. Steele’s dossier of information.

The F.B.I. suspected that Mr. Page, a former Moscow-based investment banker who was under investigation once before, was acting as a Russian agent.

The New York Times filed a motion on Monday asking the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to unseal all materials related to the wiretap of Mr. Page, including the F.B.I.’s application for the warrant and other court documents. Since Congress enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in 1978, no such wiretapping application materials have been made public.

Monday’s vote was an about-face for the Intelligence Committee. Republicans on the committee voted against releasing the Democratic rebuttal last Monday during the same meeting they chose to initiate the release of their own. They argued then that the memo should first be shared with all members of the House — as the Republican memo had been — before being reconsidered for public release.

In initiating the release of the Democratic memo, the committee is relying on the same obscure House rule it invoked last week. The rule allows the Intelligence Committee to sidestep the usual back-and-forth between lawmakers and the executive branch over the government’s most closely held secrets if the committee deems release to be in the public interest.

Mr. Nunes, meanwhile, has continued to push forward in secret with what he referred to on Friday as “Phase Two” of the majority’s investigation. He has said he is focused on the Obama State Department and its role in the early stages of the Russia investigation, but offered few additional details.


Wait and see: Trump will release the countermemo, but redact 75-90% of it.
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Postby 2012 Countdown » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:13 pm

Jerky » Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:08 am wrote:Jesus Fucking Nailholes, SLAD... the criminality that becomes obvious when one takes in all the available information about this sick mess of a Presidency is absolutely mind-boggling... it's beyond belief.

How was it even possible for the American system to fail this catastrophically?

Trump simply should NOT have been allowed to come anywhere near the Presidency. His "election" -- however it was achieved (and I personally lean towards significant electoral tampering for a number of reasons including a growing body of evidence) -- was/is a wide awake nightmare of epic proportions.

J.


I concur, and have come to this same conclusion. The malignant narcissist con man/agent. This is reality. Criminality and corporate malfeasance everywhere. Destroying our democracy.
Those that would argue otherwise I find suspicious and disappointing. Here we are, on the edge of the abyss.

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Postby dada » Mon Feb 05, 2018 8:46 pm

Yes, Donald is a walking ethics violation. We all know it. And yet, no one can do anything about it. Except chase rabbits, look to catch him on some technicality.

How was it even possible for the American system to fail this catastrophically? It was built this way.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:26 pm

dada » Mon Feb 05, 2018 7:46 pm wrote:Yes, Donald is a walking ethics violation. We all know it. And yet, no one can do anything about it. Except chase rabbits, look to catch him on some technicality.

How was it even possible for the American system to fail this catastrophically? It was built this way.



I don't think you have been paying attention ethics violation is just peanuts compared to what trump is going to be charged with .......he has laundered Russian mob money and obstructed justice ....and you don't think anyone can do anything about it? Are you kidding me? This American system is not failing..this system is working and trump will be leaving office before this year has ended....I've been through this rodeo before and this time it is going much faster than it did for Nixon ....did you not realize 4 people have already been charge with crimes two of which have plead guilty ...how in hell is the system not working?

.........and trump as of tonight has invited Mueller to subpoena him...that WILL happen
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:29 pm

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And SLAD, you are an invaluable contributor to this board. For all you do, thank you.


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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:48 pm

We Know Devin Nunes Probable Collaborator at the White House: Michael Ellis
By Josh Marshall | February 5, 2018 1:04 pm

On the House side (and to some but a much lesser extent in the Senate) congressional oversight has been entirely focused on protecting President Trump. With so many key questions ignored and evidence covered up, that leaves an ample to do list of necessary investigations if the Democrats retake control of the House of Representatives in January 2019. Here’s another for the list – it’s about Committee Chair Rep. Devin Nunes and his probable collaborator in the White House.

As I noted last week, at the end of the ‘Memo’ drama Rep. Mike Quigley (D-IL) asked Nunes whether he’d worked with the White House on producing the memo. Nunes evaded the question. He has not followed up with any denial. Yesterday Rep. Adam Schiff said he thinks “it’s very possible his staff worked with the White House and coordinated the whole effort with the White House.” I think he’s right. I’d say it’s highly likely. But who and how?

You don’t need to look long to find the probable point of contact between Nunes and the White House. Michael Ellis is Senior Associate White House Counsel, Special Assistant to the President and Deputy National Security Council Legal Advisor. He’s an intelligence officer in the Naval Reserve. Before he went to work at the White House Counsel’s office he served as Nunes’ General Counsel on the House Intelligence Committee.

That’s a pretty good clue to who Nunes might be in contact with at the White House. But we don’t need to rely on that professional connection. Ellis and Nunes have already done something just like this at least once before. You’ll remember that in early 2017, Mike Flynn directed his protege Ezra Cohen-Watnick to start reviewing what counter-intelligence investigators were finding in the Russia probe. Flynn was one of the primary targets of that probe. So this was highly irregular and not at all legit. That ‘review’ continued after Flynn was fired. Cohen-Watnick eventually took his findings to Don McGahn at the White House Counsel’s office. McGahn told him to stop immediately. Rather than doing so, he went around the Counsel’s office by having Nunes come to the White House in the middle of the night to share their findings. He and a colleague in the Counsel’s office called Nunes late one night and asked him to come to the White House immediately.

This was the origin of the “unmasking” conspiracy theory. H.R. McMaster tried to fire Cohen-Watnick when he arrived at the White House. But Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner asked President Trump to prevent McMaster from doing so. Cohen-Watnick was finally fired in August. So who was that colleague in the Counsel’s Office he worked with on his ‘review’ and his work with Nunes? Michael Ellis. Nunes bizarrely referred to Cohen-Watnick and Ellis as “whistleblowers” and refused to divulge their identities. But they were finally identified in press reports.

In other words, Ellis already did close to the exact same thing with his former boss Nunes. It’s a pattern of conduct if you will. In that earlier instance, Nunes was a conduit for bogus findings meant to discredit the Russia probe – findings Don McGahn was able to recognize as potential obstruction and quickly shut down. They took it to Nunes. It seems quite likely that something like this happened in this case too.

When the House gets around to doing real executive branch oversight, hopefully in January 2019, this should be high on the list of things to get to the bottom of.
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Postby dada » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:07 pm

seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:26 pm wrote:I don't think you have been paying attention ethics violation is just peanuts compared to what trump is going to be charged with .......he has laundered Russian mob money and obstructed justice ....and you don't think anyone can do anything about it? Are you kidding me? This American system is not failing..this system is working and trump will be leaving office before this year has ended....I've been through this rodeo before and this time it is going much faster than it did for Nixon ....did you not realize 4 people have already been charge with crimes two of which have plead guilty ...how in hell is the system not working?

.........and trump as of tonight has invited Mueller to subpoena him...that WILL happen


That's all fine.

I'm getting a feeling like we're not really speaking the same language, all appearances to the contrary.

Unfortunate, but not tragically so. Certainly not a reason why we shouldn't be able to co-exist on this funny little message board. I take full responsibility for the failure in communication. Carry on.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:11 pm

oh I think I am reading you rather well

of course we can co-exist here...I see no problem with that


it's not going to be on a mere technicality

this is going to be the biggest political scandal in American history


see those names down there....they ain't chopped liver

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Postby dada » Tue Feb 06, 2018 3:02 am

seemslikeadream » Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:11 pm wrote:oh I think I am reading you rather well


Yes, and I beg to differ. But no matter, we seem to have reached some sort of compromise. That's good.
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