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dada » Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:27 pm wrote:" I'm not assuming everything is a lie, of course."
Maybe that's where the debate really begins, here on this message board. In the assuming and not assuming, I mean. I see no scientific benefit in not assuming everything is a lie. It could very well be. I begin from the scientifically determined premise, as do the others on this debate team, that the biggest lies are the ones we tell ourselves.
"For one, it ties back to a key theme in science (true science, that is): replication. The fundamentals of science require that in order for a premise/theory to be considered valid, it needs to be replicated over time."
It's a romantic theory, but doesn't hold in reality. Say you have a scientist like David Bohm. The establishment pecking order doesn't like the challenge his science presents, and so they just ignore it and don't replicate his work. The "key of true science" actually limits the field, the "validation" that replication brings is weaponized and withheld, not a useful standard but a method of scientific debate control.
the entire space program has largely been, from its inception, little more than an elaborate cover for the research, development and deployment of space-based weaponry and surveillance systems. The media never talk about such things, of course, but government documents make clear that the goals being pursued through space research are largely military in nature.
Crewed Artemis moon landing pushed back to 2025, NASA says
November 10, 2021
Blue Origin’s failed lawsuit against NASA over the Human Landing System (HLS) contract, which was thrown out by a judge last week, and the growing progress of the Chinese space program were at the top of mind for NASA officials during a Tuesday briefing updating the public on the agency’s Artemis program.
NASA Administration Bill Nelson had strong words on the lawsuit, saying that the agency lost “nearly seven months in litigation” over HLS, leading to two of the forthcoming missions pushed back by a year or more. Now, Artemis-2 will take place in May 2024, while Artemis-3 – which aims to put the first woman and the first person of color on the moon – will take place no earlier than 2025. (Artemis-1, an uncrewed mission and the first to use NASA’s Space Launch System and Orion capsule, is on track for early 2022.)
https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/09/crewed-artemis-moon-landing-pushed-back-to-2025-nasa-says/
Belligerent Savant » Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:19 pm wrote:.
Anyone here still believe we're going to Mars (or the Moon) anytime soon (ever)?
DrEvil » Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:16 pm wrote:I'd say there's a good chance there's people on the Moon by the end of this decade at least.
Wombaticus Rex » Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:49 pm wrote:Belligerent Savant » Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:19 pm wrote:.
Anyone here still believe we're going to Mars (or the Moon) anytime soon (ever)?
I thought the Kim Stanley Robinson trilogy was magnificent hard sci-fi, but he wrote it about some other species, it's not about human beings. His views on solving climate change stem from the same weird mix of engineering autism and totally naive models of politics.
Harvey » Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:28 am wrote:DrEvil » Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:16 pm wrote:I'd say there's a good chance there's people on the Moon by the end of this decade at least.
How do you reconcile the following with each other:
What you think space exploration is, should or could be for.
What it is for.
The urgency to establish an extra-terrestrial beachhead while the fuel, material, will and technological critical mass exists to do so.
The knowledge potentially available.
The excitement of discovery.
The adventure.
The cost of space travel. Everything from the carbon footprint of SpaceIndustryᵀᴹ to the Globocap/MIC financial and technological base necessary for space travel to exist. As you know, the US military alone has a bigger carbon footprint than many countries combined while every single space faring nation on earth is raping that same earth dry of resources. Cost/benefit?
The very ideology that is busily destroying human cultures, biodiversity, ecologies and itself in the name of everything from progress and humanitarianism to ecology is intimately bound to space exploration.
The very people setting the agenda of space exploration (they don't give a fuck about you) do not have your passions or interests at heart. Yet the people who do have your interests at heart all happen to work for them.
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