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911 Themes: Plane / Corpse Swapping

Postby elfismiles » Tue May 01, 2018 2:59 pm

911 Themes: Plane / Corpse Swapping

Have recently been binge-rewatching episodes of DS9 (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine) and came across an episode that got me thinking about various fictional tellings of the 911 conspiracy theme of "plane swaps / switches" and the use of dead bodies for the staging of crash events involving aircraft (spacecraft of course in this DS9 episode) ...

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"Rules of Engagement" is the 90th episode of the science fiction television series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, the 18th episode of the fourth season. It was directed by LeVar Burton, guest starring Ron Canada as a visiting Klingon prosecutor.[1] The episode features special effect sequences with the USS Defiant and the Klingon Bird of Prey spaceships.[2]

Lt. Cdr. Worf faces an extradition hearing in which the Klingon Empire seeks to have him tried in Klingon court, charged with destroying a civilian transport.
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In the end, Constable Odo's investigation uncovers evidence telling that the names of all the 441 people who were reported to have died on the transport were the same exact names of the people who were reported to have crashed on a distant planet three months prior to the battle with no survivors recovered.

Sisko concludes that the entire incident was staged by the Empire to frame Worf for the purpose of smearing the Federation. Despite having no civilian deaths on his conscience, Captain Sisko still has criticisms of mistakes Worf had made but he tells the Klingon that he will make a fine captain some day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_Engagement_(Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine)


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This was of course, well before September 11th, 2001 ... as was the similarly themed (remote controlled aircraft for false flag purposes) pilot episode of THE LONE GUNMEN. See various threads citing this example.

9/11 Foreshadowed by X-Files' "Lone Gunmen"?
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I also immediately remembered that post-911 episode of Cumberbatch's SHERLOCK "first broadcast on BBC One on Sunday, 1 January 2012."

A Scandal in Belgravia - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scandal_in_Belgravia
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He recalls the Coventry Blitz and suspects that something similar is happening. Mycroft confirms this: the US and UK governments have decided to fly an unmanned plane full of corpses so as not to alert the terrorists while avoiding casualties. However, as Sherlock unwittingly helped Adler and Moriarty crack the code, the ...


Sherlock: 38 Things You Might Have Missed in The Final Problem
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4. The plane of unconscious passengers is an image used in series two opener A Scandal In Belgravia, in which the British Government stuffed an unmanned plane due to be attacked by terrorists with corpses so they could continue their surveillance of the cell undetected and avoid casualties.
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/sherlock ... al-problem


This got me wondering about other possible examples out there and the timeline for this ideas dispersion in the 911-Truth Movement...

Plane/Passenger Swap

911Review.com cites LOOSE CHANGE as suggesting Operation Northwoods / Plane Swap scenario but I think it goes back earlier (Loose Change: 1st Edition was circa 2005).
http://911review.com/precedent/century/northwoods.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/93_landed_ ... eland.html

9-11 Review: Operation Northwoods
911review.com/precedent/century/northwoods.html

This distinction is lost by many 9/11 theorists who cite Northwoods' envisioning of substitutions of military aircraft for civilian jetliners as evidence of plane swapping on 9/11/01. For example, the first part of the film Loose Change highlights passages from the Northwoods documents about plane substitution, while later parts ...
http://911review.com/precedent/century/northwoods.html


Maybe it was Pod-promoter Phil Jayhan who got the ball rolling?

911 -Hypothesis on Plane Swapping - What Hit the World Trade Center? by Phil Jayhan, Oct. 2004
http://letsrollforums.com//911-hypothes ... 16606.html

SALON.com wrote about it in 2006...

The 9/11 deniers - Farhad Manjoo June 27, 2006

The success of the documentary “Loose Change” spotlights the thousands of online sleuths who believe the U.S. government was behind the terror attacks — to get gold, justify war, or serve Satan.
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Thus the film launches its argument by pointing to Operation Northwoods, a 1962 U.S. military proposal to drum up public support for an invasion of Cuba that included a plan for staging a Cuban shoot-down of an American passenger plane. Northwoods shows that the American government has previously contemplated military plans using "drone" aircraft painted to look like civilian planes -- an integral ingredient in the film's larger conspiracy.
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United Flight 93 did not crash in Shanksville, Penn. Instead, it landed safely in Cleveland, and 200 people on board were evacuated. Avery says that the debris field in Shanksville showed nothing resembling a downed aircraft, that neither plane parts nor passenger remains were visible at the scene. The movie cites reports of an airplane landing at the Cleveland Hopkins Airport on the morning of 9/11, and in a tangle of logic deduces that, actually, two planes landed there and that one of them was Flight 93. Including hijackers and crew, the official story says that there were 44 people on board Flight 93 when it crashed, but Avery alleges that about 200 people were taken off the plane in Cleveland. He suggests that in addition to Flight 93's passengers, these 200 people included the passengers of the flights alleged to have crashed into the Pentagon and the trade towers. Avery says, cryptically: "It's interesting to note that the combined total of all the passengers from all four flights is 198. Or 243. Depending on who you ask."
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Hoffman and other "Loose Change" debunkers offer an even more devastating critique of the movie's strange claim that Flight 93 ended up in Cleveland. Avery bases his Cleveland idea on a story posted on the Web site of WCPO, a local TV station in Cincinnati, on the morning of 9/11; Avery says that the report proves that "two planes landed at Cleveland Hopkins Airport due to a bomb threat," and that "United Airlines identified one of the planes as Flight 93." It turns out that Avery is right that WCPO reported this news on its Web site -- but the story was actually authored by the Associated Press wire service, and the AP corrected the news minutes after it was posted, as WCPO has explained. (You'll recall that false media reports were widespread during that morning's hysteria.)

https://www.salon.com/2006/06/27/911_conspiracies/



Rebeka Roth also included plane swapping in her story... starting in 2013 I think.

"911 Researcher & former airline stewardess Rebeka Roth".

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Can anyone thing of any other fictional film, book, tv references to this plane/corpse swapping theme?
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Re: 911 Themes: Plane / Corpse Swapping

Postby Grizzly » Tue May 01, 2018 3:28 pm

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Re: 911 Themes: Plane / Corpse Swapping

Postby Elvis » Tue May 01, 2018 4:18 pm

911Review.com cites LOOSE CHANGE as suggesting Operation Northwoods / Plane Swap scenario but I think it goes back earlier (Loose Change: 1st Edition was circa 2005).


I remember questions about plane swaps from the first day—

Flight 175's Windows
CLAIM: On Sept. 11, FOX News broadcast a live phone interview with FOX employee Marc Birnbach. 911inplanesite.com states that "Bernback" saw the plane "crash into the South Tower." "It definitely did not look like a commercial plane," Birnbach said on air. "I didn't see any windows on the sides."

Coupled with photographs and videos of Flight 175 that lack the resolution to show windows, Birnbach's statement has fueled one of the most widely referenced 9/11 conspiracy theories--specifically, that the South Tower was struck by a military cargo plane or a fuel tanker.

FACT:Birnbach, who was a freelance videographer with FOX News at the time, tells PM that he was more than 2 miles southeast of the WTC, in Brooklyn, when he briefly saw a plane fly over. He says that, in fact, he did not see the plane strike the South Tower; he says he only heard the explosion.


But if the "FACT" portion above is correct, there may be nothing to it.

Personally, I've always thought plane swaps were a distinct possibility, and in particular I've been intrigued by the Cleveland airport story, which jibes with the plane's tortuous flight path.

"two planes landed at Cleveland Hopkins Airport due to a bomb threat," and that "United Airlines identified one of the planes as Flight 93." It turns out that Avery is right that WCPO reported this news on its Web site -- but the story was actually authored by the Associated Press wire service, and the AP corrected the news minutes after it was posted, as WCPO has explained.


And of course just because the AP "corrected" a story doesn't mean it wasn't true the first time.
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Re: 911 Themes: Plane / Corpse Swapping

Postby JackRiddler » Tue May 01, 2018 11:28 pm

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I remember the plane-swapping stuff from the start, expecially from the point it was developed in detail by Nico Haupt and a few cohorts. Some of it was intriguing at the time. The close passes of the first two flights (AA11 and UA175) from Logan near Albany (and an AFNG base) are interesting, but would, if intentional, indicate ways to screw with the tracking as opposed to plane swapping.

What some guy thinks he (didn't) see hit the South Tower from 2 miles distance is bullshit extraordinaire. The strike by a 757 on the South Tower was multiply filmed in real time and witnessed by thousands (all New York City actors, no doubt). "Loose Change" No. 1 (2005) with its "pod theory" is historic for having been the kill-shot on any realistic effort at 9/11 truth.

The basic problem is why complicate the plot? Four planes, four hits, no wondering where they went. Or eight or more planes, and you have to have the hits and the hiding of the leftovers? Loading planes with corpses? Making up identities? Crisis actors as relatives, before the term was coined? This is one of many scenarios that turns a plot possible for execution by a few dozen well-placed insiders into the proverbial cast of thousands. In fact, it seems like a great way to muddy the waters and make the whole matter of doubting the official story seem mad; and to attack the survivors, the people with the most standing to demand disclosure. Which is exactly what happened with these scenarios. Post-truth before that became a thing. What the fuck is the point of this scenario-generation otherwise? Blips can be inserted, why physical extra planes? Remote control of the actual flights makes some sense, plane swapping never did. Same thing with fake hijackers, by the way. Why not take over a real plot? It's so much more elegant. A sound plot makes use of found elements. LIHOP was always morally equivalent to the unwieldy MIHOP speculations. Sorry if it means the perpetrators get away with it and leave a minimum of loose ends. That would be the fucking idea.

I have no doubt that the "Sherlock" plot was playing on this, by the way - in the same way as the main message of "V for Vendetta" was "9/11 was an inside job." Never mind these post-facto fictional treatments, the "Lone Gunmen" pilot was broadcast six months before 9/11 and showed a much more realistic scenario.

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