The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:26 pm

There’s not really a lot of space for a “center” in between conservative-moderate democrats and the rest of the right under the GOP and beyond. Plenty of space on the left, though.

In contrast to something said on page one, though: the u.s. left is growing, especially amongst young people. We constantly have new people getting involved in groups in part of.
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby American Dream » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:47 pm

At the height of the alter-Globalization Era, it seems that Anarchism was the rising star. These days though, more and more organizations that identify as "socialist" are stepping up and making radical organizing happen.
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:01 am

The rising of a socialist-progressive left focused on economic and social justice, anti-capitalism and an ecological transformation is one reason it is so important and poisonous to mischaracterize and caricature and mock an abstraction called "the left" reduced to a bizarre combination of "SJWs" and "culture war" with neoliberal warmongering "feminism" a la Hillary Clinton. A move that is constantly made on this board and in this thread, obviously.
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:10 pm

“I’m literally a communist, you idiot!” tickled me.

The mere presence of that guest made me feel like they must believe it too. I honesty thought most of that conflation was a pester or a joke, intending to “trigger.”

I’m starting to think reactionaries truly feel that antifa is Clinton’s army.
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:12 pm

JackRiddler » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:09 pm wrote:
Heaven Swan » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:49 pm wrote:
Wait a minute. Is this some inside joke I’m not getting or are you implying that Wombaticus Rex, our former moderator is a fascist and and/or incel?


No. Obviously not. Try reading what I write, instead of the parts you bold.

I am giving him shit because he's saying shit, in this case. I like him fine, he writes great stuff on this board sometimes. I found the Angleton article unforgettable.

Rory is also giving shit, with a story (unlinked, no details, thus only from one unreliable source for now, that source being Rory) of men being mean to a woman, as if it speaks to the "left." The difference being, this is every day and everywhere in almost every context in the U.S. and around the world, and a serious problem, but it is not a per-se "left" problem. It is a men problem. Ideologically, at least, the left opposes it. The right embraces it. It is programmatic for most tendencies on the right that feminists are bad, that there is no rape culture, that women's bodies should be controlled, that childbirth should be forced on them, that day care centers make serial killers, that women are naturally weepy and men get the job done, etc. Pretty much the opposite positions are programmatic, on the left, regardless of the kind of bad individual behavior that can be found everywhere else. To bring up some story of individual behaviors (uncited, unlinked, and not real as long as it's the unreliable Rory's trap talking, and no other source), it is distraction and derailing of the discussion, just like WR's hit-and-run comment: playing to stereotypes and (right-wing) prejudices about groups of people rather than actual progammatic differences. That's basically what Greer is serving up, and it may as well be out of Breitbart for his understanding of social movements or actual left groups. There is nothing whatsoever new in this kind of "centrist" move, it is a lazy way to get easy cheers from lazy thinkers.

What isn't being addressed here are the ideas of health care as human right, economic and social justice, ending mass incarceration, ending prohibition, ending empire, converting to renewable energies, cutting the military and spending on human needs, increasingly also MMT and a jobs for all program. These are left - generally speaking, progressive and socialist - ideas (Ending empire can also be found on the right). They are not Democratic party platforms, since, of course, at the top and official levels, except for a small minority, the Democratic Party is not leftist but basically the other right wing, neoliberal, imperialist capitalist party. Hillary Clinton is not remotely "the left" and the TV pundits playing "liberals" are just players, serving up right-wing politics as if it is oppositional.

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Currently reading The Ghost and am very interested in whatever this Angleton piece is. Where can I read it?
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:23 am

Luther Blissett » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:12 pm wrote:Currently reading The Ghost and am very interested in whatever this Angleton piece is. Where can I read it?


Published a couple of years ago, not long, on WRex's blog. Can't find it now. Recall it as gripping, brilliant. Please ask him.
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby Elvis » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:53 am

From the Dept. of Incomplete Ideas:

Proposal: 1) switch to a vertical axis -- progressive is UP, regressive is DOWN. :bigsmile

The "test" is, does it move humanity forward, or hold it back? There is no middle or circular continuum where the two meet; there is only forward and backward.

And accordingly, 2) change the dialectic to "progressive vs. regressive"; choices are more clearly spelled out from this perspective. Tough luck for regressives. :)
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby Luther Blissett » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:55 am

I’d be worried about reactionaries classifying anti-nazi behavior as the “regressive left” like they do often do, and expanding the term to include all sorts of extra definitions. Women’s reproductive health? Pipeline and clearcutting sabotage? Black lives mattering? I can see all being fodder for them.
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby Elvis » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:02 pm

Luther Blissett » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:55 am wrote:I’d be worried about reactionaries classifying anti-nazi behavior as the “regressive left” like they do often do, and expanding the term to include all sorts of extra definitions. Women’s reproductive health? Pipeline and clearcutting sabotage? Black lives mattering? I can see all being fodder for them.


Inevitably so...back to the drawing board... :eeyaa
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:14 am

While the right would not adopt the term progressive, they would claim their victories are progress. It would be like the Good Party (actual party name in Turkey).

No terminological change works as well as being clear about definitions when using it. Not bothering with that is a tip-off that someone is confused, willing to inherit ideas without wanting to think about them, or set in their prejudices.
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby Luther Blissett » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:35 pm

I like “regressive” though. Reactionaries particularly hate being called regressive. Oh well. It’s not our fault that the truth can be difficult to bear.
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby Heaven Swan » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:23 am

Elvis » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:53 am wrote:From the Dept. of Incomplete Ideas:

Proposal: 1) switch to a vertical axis -- progressive is UP, regressive is DOWN. :bigsmile

The "test" is, does it move humanity forward, or hold it back? There is no middle or circular continuum where the two meet; there is only forward and backward.

And accordingly, 2) change the dialectic to "progressive vs. regressive"; choices are more clearly spelled out from this perspective. Tough luck for regressives. :)


Makes sense what you say, but I'm not sure about the name "regressive left".

First of all, regressive is a cryptic, academic-sounding and imprecise word. And like 'reactionary' most can't immediately pinpoint what it means. Here's a dictionary definition of 'regressive behavior':from Wikipedia:

"Regression (German: Regression), according to psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud, is a defense mechanism leading to the temporary or long-term reversion of the ego to an earlier stage of development rather than handling unacceptable impulses in a more adaptive way."

And where are the "SJW's" regressing to? Stalin? Pre-Stalin Bolshevism? No, regressive doesn't do the job.

I've tried to come up with an alternative nickname but have so far failed--Authoritarian Left would fit but it's not catchy enough, Fluff Left and Fashionista Left partially capture the gist but sound harmless and fun. The real Authoritarian left may be shallow, but I would definitely not call them harmless or fun. "Woke blokes" doesn't do the job either--it uses British English and only applies to males.

Parallels with the Red Guards could be made. The Red Guard was authoritarian, but they lacked the frivolity and privilege of the "SJW's". Look at the arc of history, the Red Guard did, by in large, destroy the love that China had for the left. After the Cultural Revolution came Deng Xiao Ping and the beginning of China's slide into capitalism.

Discussions here have helped me to realize that the left as we've known it is doomed. But I do have faith that the soil fertilized by the dead and decomposing left (and right) will be the terrain from which a fresh new movement will be born.
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DJ Jay Smooth resigns from WBAI

Postby Heaven Swan » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:13 am

Related News Flash from NYC--

DJ Jay Smooth of WBAI's longest running Hip Hop show 'The Underground Railroad' and Rebel Diaz, musical group and radio hosts, have resigned from WBAI in protest of their courting and giving of a daily show to Leonard Lopate, who was recently fired from NPR for sexual harassment.

https://www.vibe.com/2018/07/ja[img]y-smooth-quits-wbai-the-underground-railroad/

https://www.spin.com/2018/07/jay-smooth ... tion-wbai/

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Quote from 2nd linked article:

"...With Jay Smooth’s resignation, WBAI loses a supremely knowledgable and compassionate voice, one who balances a firm grounding in the history of the genre with an eclectic taste for music outside its nominal borders. Luckily for fans, he is just as active on his Ill Doctrine video blog, where he opines on both musical and larger cultural issues from a perspective of social justice advocacy. You can see some of his videos here."

I agree with Jay that what WBAI did in hiring Lopate was tone deaf and wrong. I've been fretting for some time about all the problems WBAI has been having to stay on air and doing my best to support them, but I doubt I'll be able to continue, since the hiring of Lopate and their dissing of Jay Smooth and Rebel Diaz turns my stomach. On top of it, to make way for Lopate they cancelled my favorite program, which was from KPFK---Mitch Jeserich, Letters and Politics.

With their shameless actions and comments, WBAI management is showing their true colors and their disregard for half of the human race. I'm really heartened though that DJ Smooth and Rebel Diaz truly support us and were willing to sacrifice short-term benefits for long-term integrity.

I really wanted WBAI to make it but it seems they are digging their own grave. Either Smooth or Rebel Diaz, can't remember, said that they didn't want to remain "on the wrong side of history." Many "SJW" type leftists might do well to meditate on this. With, for example, your support of sleight of hand ways of attacking feminists (the weaponizing of trans against women) could you be digging your graves on "the wrong side of history"?



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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby Heaven Swan » Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:31 am

Really insightful article about recent history and how the left veered off the rails after Occupy Wall Street (which I was active in). Since then, class has been buried and lost in the shuffle and identity politics have increasingly devolved into a 'divide and conquer' tool that fuels toxic infighting.

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Published on March 24, 2017

How the Social Justice Movement Fuels Corporate Capitalism

https://quillette.com/2017/03/24/how-th ... apitalism/

written by Michael Aaron

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Before diving into a topic I’m sure will prove controversial, I want to start by clarifying that, as my other articles or my book Modern Sexuality can attest, I am very much pro-social justice. This piece is about how social justice has gone off the rails and been co-opted by capitalist or, dare I say, corporatist influences. Secondly, I am not anti-capitalist, in the sense of individuals having free rights to produce whatever product or service the market demands and receiving a fair price in return. Rather, I am opposed to unfettered, corporatist capitalism in which corporations create monopolies and influence politics and culture mainly to serve their business interests.

Lehman Brothers headquarters, New York City

With that out of the way, let’s go back to the fall of 2008 to examine how the social justice movement lost its way. On September 24, then-President George Bush made a special appearance on TV to warn the American public that the economy was on the verge of collapse. Several weeks prior, investment bank Lehman Brothers had filed for bankruptcy, producing a domino effect and taking the rest of the financial industry down with it. On September 26, just two days after Bush’s live address, Washington Mutual also declared for bankruptcy. A few days later, the stock market collapsed, as the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 770 points. On October 6, global markets collapsed as well.

From the ashes of this economic catastrophe, the newly elected Obama administration bailed out the banks with tax payer dollars, passed some watered-down regulations that could only scratch the surface of preventing a repeat outcome, and appointed to his cabinet the same Wall St oligarchs who had almost tanked the entire economy. In the end, not a single bank oligarch was prosecuted.

Occupy Protestors in Oakland, 2011

On September 17 2011, a group of activists coalesced in New York’s downtown Zuccotti Park to protest the lack of government and Wall Street accountability. This gathering came to be known as Occupy Wall St and branches subsequently formed in many other metropolitan areas around the world. In this milieu, memes such as “The Ballerina and the Bull” and “We are the 99%” were created. Let’s take a look at the second of these, “We are the 99%.” Notice the key word “We.” This inclusive message finds distinction in only one category—class. For it is only class that separates the 1% from the 99%. Occupy Wall St, initially completely ignored by the media, then gained some early momentum before withering and dying in the following bleak winter months.

Issues such as unfair tax structures, government welfare towards banks and corporations, a lack of protection for the common citizen, and gaps in the social safety net are all social justice issues. But somehow, in the following years, these issues have seemingly disappeared from the public conscience. Instead, social justice discourse now revolves around ideas of privilege that focus on race, gender, and sexual orientation—in short, everything but class. Is this a coincidence? Somehow an anomaly? Of course, we as a society must address concerns around racial and gender-based discrimination, but is it reasonable to assume that the children of Barack Obama and LeBron James are less privileged than the children of an unemployed white coal miner in West Virginia? Certainly, privilege is intersectional, as an individual may encompass a number of identities. But why no mention of class? When poor and lower-middle class individuals voted for Brexit and Trump, parts of the media responded with accusations of a “white lash.” But why no accusations of a “poor lash,” or “class lash”?

Turn on any mainstream news outlet and you will hear a clear and consistent narrative of a country polarized along racial and gender lines, but almost no mention of the role of class. Instead, the very wealthy 1% in the media, academia, and government (all fields dominated by members of the upper class) are also the most eager to embrace this new version of social justice.


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Feminist blogs such as Jezebel have emerged in the years following the 2008 banking collapse


Indeed, a polarized nation is exactly what a corporatist economy wants. It sells clicks online, eyeballs for television advertisers, and enough division and self-hatred to create an entire cadre of willing consumers, seeking to medicate themselves with conspicuous consumption. A message of 99%, on the other hand, is unifying. It creates cohesion, cooperation, and positive validation, and it turns the spotlight on those pulling the strings behind the curtain. But discussion of class privilege is dangerous, and must be curtailed at once. Race and gender privilege, by contrast, are quite safe to the powers that be, as they “Occupy Minds” rather than Wall St.

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Sheryl Sandberg on the cover of The Times Magazine

I’ll go a step further and state that the current version of the social justice movement is mainly a convenient and useful vehicle for our corporatist system. Sheryl Sandberg, the COO of Facebook, advises women to “lean in”; this is how her book of the same title advises women to succeed in their careers. In her view, feminism is equated with corporate success. But what if some women (or men) don’t want to buy into the corporate system? Feminist Susan Faludi has criticized Sandberg for “encouraging women to promote themselves individually as ‘marketable consumer object[s]’ for professional advancement.” The wage gap is often brought up as a key example of female oppression, but studies show this gap is mainly due to female workplace choices (types of jobs, hours worked, etc) rather than systemic bias. It is telling that a key talking point of gender-based social justice revolves around corporate success.

Feminist Camille Paglia, in her new book Free Women, Free Men: Sex, Gender, Feminism, criticizes the “elitist garbage” and condescending attitudes toward the blue-collar lower class prevalent in academic circles. These academics happily focus on male privilege, even as they snark at those who plow the snow, fix ruptured sanitation pipes, and wash skyscraper windows. Paglia finds no humility or appreciation, let alone any empathy, for individuals doing dangerous jobs that make the lives of the wealthy easier. In the remote world of academic elites, class privilege isn’t considered important.

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Best-selling author Nassim Taleb has written in a similar vein about what he calls the “Intellectual Yet Idiot.” These idiot intellectuals are the 1% in the media, academia, and government who advocate for policies that may adversely affect the rest of the country, and do so from a position of comfort and privilege and without having to worry about the consequences. On issues like international trade agreements or immigration policies or crime and discord in urban communities, these modern-day aristocrats have “no skin in the game.” Instead they are happy to denigrate the lower classes as ignorant buffoons—the “basket of deplorables” to which Hillary Clinton infamously referred.

In this way, the 1% has found a very effective strategy to maintain and reinforce its privilege. Intersectional privileges, while important, are secondary to class privilege but they drum up enough internal division to distract from the original goals of the social justice movement. In this way, the 1% is no longer the enemy; they are the friends and benefactors of all downtrodden people around the world. The enemy is other poor and disenfranchised people.

Keep bashing “the system” while blogging on your expensive Apple laptop in Starbucks and continue your social media advocacy on publicly traded Twitter. Meanwhile, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and the elite get a hall pass because they are “woke.” Is it any wonder that the Far Left (and I’m saying this as a liberal) voted en masse for the most corrupt corporatist politician of all time, Hillary Clinton? She said all the right things, who cares if she took $20 million from homophobic, misogynistic countries like Saudi Arabia? I’m not saying Trump is any better, and many of his ideas are truly dangerous, but I don’t believe he would have won if the Democrats hadn’t trotted out a corporatist shill. (What happened to Bernie?)

In many ways, the current Democratic Party is a coalition of two very separate, but now oddly unified forces—social justice and corporatism. As a society, we deserve better than that. We deserve real justice, the kind that is both progressive and unifying. Based on people. Not corporations.



Michael Aaron is the author of Modern Sexuality: The Truth About Sex and Relationships, and a psychotherapist in private practice in New York City. Visit his website at http://www.drmichaelaaronnyc.com and follow him on Twitter @MichaelAaronPhD.
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Re: The Alt-Right, the Ctrl-Left, and the Esc-Center

Postby American Dream » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:48 am

Syncretic politics

Syncretic politics, or spectral-syncretic, refers to politics that combine elements from across the conventional left–right political spectrum. The term "syncretic politics" has been derived from the idea of syncretism (syncretic religion).[1] The main idea of syncretic politics is that taking political positions of neutrality by combining elements associated with the left and right can achieve a goal of reconciliation.[2][3][4] Since this umbrella term is defined by the combination of the two standard poles of a given one-dimensional political spectrum, it refers to quite heterogeneous approaches.[5]

Historical examples
The Falange of Spain presented itself as syncretic.[6] Falangism has attacked both the left and the right as its "enemies", declaring itself to be neither left nor right, but a Third Position.[7]

In Hungary, there has been a strong presence of syncretic political parties since the revolutions of 1989. They won the election in 1990 forming a coalition government: Hungarian Democratic Forum, Independent Smallholders, Agrarian Workers and Civic Party and KDNP. KDNP later became a close ally of FIDESZ, losing this attribute in the process. After the first four-year term syncretic parties went into a decline, many of them disappearing and only two new ones emerging since then: Hungarian Justice and Life Party and Politics Can Be Different,[8] the latter still being present in the Hungarian parliament. Notable politicians are Prime Minister József Antall, Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development József Torgyán and green leader András Schiffer.

At the peak of the Cold War, the former Argentinian President Juan Perón (1946–1955; 1973–1974) defined the international position of his doctrine (Peronism) as a "third position" between capitalism and communism, a stance which became a precedent of the Non-Aligned Movement.

In the United States, Third Way adherents embrace fiscal conservatism to a greater extent than traditional social liberals and advocate some replacement of welfare with workfare and sometimes have a stronger preference for market solutions to traditional problems (as in pollution markets) while rejecting pure laissez-faire economics and other right-libertarian positions. This style of governing was firmly adopted and partly redefined during the administration of President Bill Clinton.[9] Political scientist Stephen Skowronek introduced the term "Third Way" into the interpretation of American presidential politics.[10][11][12] Such Presidents undermine the opposition by borrowing policies from it in an effort to seize the middle and with it to achieve political dominance. This technique is known as triangulation and was used by Bill Clinton and other New Democrats who sought to move beyond the party's New Deal liberalism reputation in response to the political realignment of the 1980s. Through this strategy, Clinton adopted themes associated with the Republican Party, such as fiscal conservatism, welfare reform, deregulation and law and order policies. Famously, he declared in the 1996 State of the Union Address that "the era of big government is over".[13]

In the United Kingdom, the emergence of New Labour under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown was a pitch for the Third Way, mixing economic neoliberal policies, such as banking privatisation, with socially progressive policies.


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