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How the Department of Homeland Security Created a Deceptive Tale of Russia Hacking US Voter Siteshttps://consortiumnews.com/2018/08/28/how-the-department-of-homeland-security-created-a-deceptive-tale-of-russia-hacking-u-s-voter-sites/

The narrative of Russian intelligence attacking state and local election boards and threatening the integrity of U.S. elections has achieved near-universal acceptance by media and political elites. And now it has been accepted by the Trump administration’s intelligence chief, Dan Coats, as well.

But the real story behind that narrative, recounted here for the first time, reveals that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) created and nurtured an account that was grossly and deliberately deceptive.

DHS compiled an intelligence report suggesting hackers linked to the Russian government could have targeted voter-related websites in many states and then leaked a sensational story of Russian attacks on those sites without the qualifications that would have revealed a different story. When state election officials began asking questions, they discovered that the DHS claims were false and, in at least one case, laughable.

The National Security Agency and special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigating team have also claimed evidence that Russian military intelligence was behind election infrastructure hacking, but on closer examination, those claims turn out to be speculative and misleading as well. Mueller’s indictment of 12 GRU military intelligence officers does not cite any violations of U.S. election laws though it claims Russia interfered with the 2016 election.

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Yes, but what do you think about this, Griz? It's just an article, can be spun so many different ways.

Might mean DHS, NSA pointing at the Kremlin to distract from US vote hacking itself.

May be damage control, western intel trying to save face, 'we're in control here, see? Not the Kremlin.'

Could be another lesson to remind us all about what hypocrites Americans are. We know this. And cui bono.

Or just another filler article to feed the meta-narrative about the narrative. Meaning hammering home this: "The narrative of Russian intelligence attacking state and local election boards and threatening the integrity of U.S. elections has achieved near-universal acceptance by media and political elites." might be the whole point. Universal acceptance of meta-narrative.

You know, critical thinking, and stuff. Where's the beef?

All I can say is I don't know shit about shit. It does seem many are stunted by the pure flow of info/disinfo they typically disassociate from. I really wish I could myself get away from it, but I can't. I am so fascinated by this ongoing downfall of everything we know. This, not from a perspective of wanting anything bad to befall anyone, but because it's happening. This is a quite rare occasion, at least as far as we were promised.

Another thing I cannot tell, is where the fellow travelers I have met lo these years fall on the grappling with Russia shit. Is it to be bought wholesale? Is it to be something to be skeptical of? I truly do not know. As I said a couple years ago here at least when russiarussiarussia came up for the first time: It does not matter whether it is true or not. This will become the narrative and no matter how true or not it will make it into society.

Hedging bets, the Russia shit is true. Dump is beholden to the Russians. The scum crook is getting panned out like flake of gold in a stream. It really could go any way. Chaos. What will the order to follow look like?

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Or just another filler article to feed the meta-narrative about the narrative. Meaning hammering home this: "The narrative of Russian intelligence attacking state and local election boards and threatening the integrity of U.S. elections has achieved near-universal acceptance by media and political elites." might be the whole point. Universal acceptance of meta-narrative.

You know, critical thinking, and stuff. Where's the beef?

OOOOOK, I found the article to have a sensible thesis and support indicating that DHS was and is turf building.That is hardly support for the Russia did it narrative.

The dry and fact filled presentation is more convincing than any of the hyperbolic yet detailed "Russia did it" articles.


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Hedging bets, the Russia shit is true.

That hardly sounds like the hedging of a bet. It sounds more like accepting an assumption because it supports your follow on assumptions.

Alright, let me try and be clearer. I'm saying "near-universal acceptance by media and political elites." is a meta-narrative hook.

"did Kremlin do the hacking, or nsa faction & friends?" is meta-narrative.

Doesn't matter either way. Democrats sold out their base, costing them election. Hacking narrative is inconsequential, reading pulp spy novels to keep people occupied. Spies don't care either way, they're all doing their jobs, getting paid.

So we're arguing different levels of analysis, sounder. You want focus on the meta-narrative layer of the onion. I want to look at other layers of the onion, I've just no interest in engaging on that one, it doesn't interest me.

Hopefully this helps to show that we're not even arguing here. There's no grounds for debate between the layers, in fact trying to look at it like a debate between layers only creates confusion. I mean, which is better, apples or oranges?

A layer I could get into debating is, do the Kremlin got western intel's number in the games, overall. Is western intel doing backflips, working very hard to win back some appearance that they have control of meta-narrative. Which they have lost control of, big time, in my opinion. Hacks? Even on this level, who cares? Kremlin don't need no hacks. What do you need for hacks, when you have control of the narrative? Narrative being "Look at these Americans. Hypocrites. And fools, to boot." Kremlin don't even have to make the case half the time, spook-media in the west does it for them. Kremlin is playing a smarter game, it looks like, to me. That interests me.

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yeah 82. Reminds me of something I was reading about the difficulty in fighting falsehoods. To argue against falsehoods, the arguer has to accept the falsehoods' premise to debunk it. Even if the falsehood is debunked, it has been given a platform. It becomes a 'thing' that circulates now, free to muddy the lines of communication again. I think there are people who know this, and use it to great effect. It's insidious.

How does one fight that? I don't know if there is a way. Maybe one doesn't. Maybe that's the way.

82_28 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:53 am wrote:What will the order to follow look like?

Lame duck Pence. Lots of Obama 2008 style psy-op theatrics of "the union is restored" garbage. Rachel Maddow signing off by saluting the flag ala Dan Rather c 2002 etc. Weird shows of bipartisan patriotism against the enemy. New interest in the HRC story. Continued careen towards ecological trigger events that make it all pointless anyways. Blah.

I'm happy to remain a minority dissenter but the overall narrative contour is so obvious that it's absurd IMO to buy the surface level notion that Trump is owned. Or, that is to say, that if he is, it didn't come about without a giant hand of US ABCs setup.

oh ma chérie tellement plus facile de prétendre que rien de grave ne se passe!

laissez-nous parler de la météo


the Dutch have polaroids

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82_28 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:53 am wrote:All I can say is I don't know shit about shit.

And yet you've offered so many contributions here! Surely, you know a few things about a few things, otherwise you wouldn't consistently contribute, over a span of many years, to an online forum.

82_28 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:53 am wrote:Hedging bets, the Russia shit is true. Dump is beholden to the Russians.

On your point above, however, I heartily disagree. Or more specifically, I disagree with the bullshit narratives peddled by the noise-generators, which unfortunately has infiltrated and seized quite a bit of real estate within these walls over the last ~2 yrs.

See here for some crumbs on my perspective:

Belligerent Savant » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:01 pm wrote:.

...perhaps there are no true 'hard' lines between Western/Eastern intel, once digging a few levels beyond the overt surface. Perhaps the "West getting played" (along the same lines as the 9/11 era oft-refrain, "Western intel got caught with their pants down" etc.), is yet another smoke screen.

I for one don't believe this to be a case of the west getting played, though again, one's perspective will vary depending on the length of your journey down the dark rabbit hole. Everything looks clearer in the light of day. Y'all are welcome to your own interpretations, of course.

Belligerent Savant » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:42 pm wrote:.

Analysis of Guccifer 2.0/Fancy Bear (and the alleged "DNC Hack" ) activity can be found at the link below, as an alternative to the messaging on this topic found in most readily-available media channels:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41097&hilit=Guccifer+2.0

A few days later, on the phone, Greenwald had news. He had “talked to a bunch of people and figured out what I thought, in the most rational way possible,” and now regarded the indictments as genuine evidence of Russian hacking—the first he’d seen in two years. To think otherwise, he said, “you’d pretty much have to believe that Mueller and his team fabricated it all out of whole cloth, which I don’t believe is likely.”

He hadn’t tweeted about this yet. He was still pondering the best way to announce it. “I want it to be substantive—I don’t want it to be distorted,” he said. “If I did it on Twitter, it would be ‘Oh, Glenn Greenwald admits he’s wrong!’ I don’t actually think I’ve been wrong about anything.”
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41257&start=15

wrong about anything Glenn? The Intercept admitted to "mistakes" in regards to Reality

at least the Intercept is funding Reality Winner's defense


anyway everyone knows that China did it!!

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Hillary Clinton’s Emails, many of which are Classified Information, got hacked by China. Next move better be by the FBI & DOJ or, after all of their other missteps (Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Ohr, FISA, Dirty Dossier etc.), their credibility will be forever gone!

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Mueller is not an ally to The People; quite to the contrary, in fact. This much should be clear.

There's a whole lotta white noise out there -- our collective filtering mechanisms must be operating optimally to see past much of the misdirection/obfuscation.

Here's a noteworthy take on MUELLER, in contrast to other thread topics proliferating over the past year+:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41194&p=660400&hilit=mueller#p660400

trump is not an ally of the American people....he is married to the Russian mob and he kidnaps brown babies from their parents and now one has died in his custody

the connections between the trump gang and Mogilevich are well known.

trump KNEW that Paul Manafort [along with your dad's former top aide Brad Zackson] had been named as co conspirators of Russian mafia boss Semion Mogilevich in a federal racketeering case a few years before the campaign but trump hired Manafort anyway.


Trump Money Launderer
https://oaklandsocialist.com/2018/08/20 ... launderer/

Another prominent lawyer, Dan Webb, declines offer to represent Trump in Mueller's Russia investigation "due to conflicts." Webb is the lawyer of DIMITRYO FIRTASH, top-tier comrade of Russian mafia boss Semyon Mogilevich. That's some conflict.

Businessman....... Soviet Born....Russian mob connected.......father worked for Mogilevich........best friends with trump lawyer Cohen...... FBI source ...cooperating with Mueller investigation Felix Sater says Trump sent him to Russia to 'look after' his kids

seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:53 am wrote:the connections between the trump gang and Mogilevich are well known.

trump KNEW that Paul Manafort [along with your dad's former top aide Brad Zackson] had been named as co conspirators of Russian mafia boss Semion Mogilevich in a federal racketeering case a few years before the campaign but trump hired Manafort anyway.

Right, because such organized crime is SOP in Washington, DC. The notion that Robert Mueller is going to lead some crusade for the glory of the American Way is every bit as absurd as the notion that Donald "Money Laundering With A Smile" Trump is going to "drain the swamp."

Just because there are bad guys doesn't mean there are good guys to fight them.

Grizzly, thank you for the OP. I was surprised to head back to the top of the fold and see it was published yesterday, though, since there's been a lot of developments since then. I suppose expecting Mr. Porter to do the all the heavy lifting in the span of a single article is unreasonable, though. Regardless, he nails his thesis, which is that DHS is the central nexus for a number of outright bullshit data points, and they have been conducting themselves more like Fox News than an intelligence agency.

Then again, decades after the debacle of Team B, a half century past J. Edgar Hoover's smokescreen theatrics, maybe that's a distinction hardly worth making anymore.

I've removed mine now the others can do the same

SLAD - none of that has shit to do with to OP, and you know that. Stop behaving like this, please.

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