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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby stickdog99 » Mon May 06, 2019 3:29 pm

JackRiddler » 06 May 2019 16:13 wrote:.

Yeah, that's the point, for the hudredth time. The T in MMT is just a more accurate and honest description of how sovereign money in large functioning economies actually works. How the knowledge is used, for good or for bad, or with competence or disastrous effects, is an open matter. Effectively, in the US, the same Republicans who now want to pass a Senate condemnation of MMT (no kidding) are the ones who discovered it first, and have applied it relentlessly as the deficit kings since the 1980s. But the actual explication of it is coming in the wake of its biggest application since 2008, and the explicators, unlike Mosler, are mostly on the left and urging its use for GND and JG, not protection of assets as with QE or Japan. The main problem will indeed be what Mason points out. Although he can really be an analytical lightweight, he certainly has a sense of power dynamics. The use of MMT insights for good WILL be attacked by the concentrated corporate power - to an extreme. It will be no less relentless than with Greece in 2015. So people who are serious about using it for good had best be prepared to acknowledge that, to fight, and not to play the Obama-Democrats lay down for more abuse "compromise" game until we get the second and far more fascist version Trump (or will it be the fifth Nixon? I lose track.).


The idea that those who really understand money do not understand or accept the underlying principles of MMT is absurd. These principles explain why they set up the Fed to privatize the creation of money in the first place! Only the wealthiest private interests have the requisite "authority" to understand and utilize the principles of MMT.

So saying the rentiers "will" seize upon the principles of MMT to enrich themselves further is a historical analysis rather than a future prediction. The reason our rentiers are doing everything in their power to debunk the principles of MMT and only left activists are making any effort to publicize these principles is that the myth that taxpayers owe personal debts in perpetuity for their country's deficit spending has been proved so convenient that it has become central in justifying rentiers' use of the principles of MMT to enrich themselves and only themselves at the expense of everyone else. It is not enough for them that they have lives of luxury and leisure. They need your hunger and healthcare insecurity to force you to accept a life of drudgery that they can further profit from as well.
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby JackRiddler » Mon May 06, 2019 6:51 pm

stickdog99 » Mon May 06, 2019 2:29 pm wrote:The idea that those who really understand money do not understand or accept the underlying principles of MMT is absurd. These principles explain why they set up the Fed to privatize the creation of money in the first place!


I believe this is incorrect history. Money was mainly of private issuance well before the Federal Reserve (which is public-private). Until then it was mainly privately issued throughout US history (exceptions being the greenback period and some of the time under the first two national banks).

The reason our rentiers are doing everything in their power to debunk the principles of MMT and only left activists are making any effort to publicize these principles is that the myth that taxpayers owe personal debts in perpetuity for their country's deficit spending has been proved so convenient that it has become central in justifying rentiers' use of the principles of MMT to enrich themselves and only themselves at the expense of everyone else. It is not enough for them that they have lives of luxury and leisure. They need your hunger and healthcare insecurity to force you to accept a life of drudgery that they can further profit from as well.


That's pretty much so. The bastards who "print" endlessly and eat the free lunch are the ones decrying "printing" and saying there is no free lunch.

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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby Elvis » Mon May 06, 2019 7:07 pm

thrulookingglass wrote: This thread REEKS of Ayn Rand's ferocious malevolence!


Have you read this thread?
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby Elvis » Mon May 06, 2019 7:11 pm

alloneword wrote:I saw this on ZeroHedge (yeah, I know):


I like this bit!:

“Lots of people scoff at MMT because they think it’s the equivalent of opening Pandora’s box. But that’s like denying the existence of nuclear physics because you think humans can’t be trusted with atomic weapons.”
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby stickdog99 » Tue May 07, 2019 1:56 am

JackRiddler » 06 May 2019 22:51 wrote:
stickdog99 » Mon May 06, 2019 2:29 pm wrote:The idea that those who really understand money do not understand or accept the underlying principles of MMT is absurd. These principles explain why they set up the Fed to privatize the creation of money in the first place!


I believe this is incorrect history. Money was mainly of private issuance well before the Federal Reserve (which is public-private). Until then it was mainly privately issued throughout US history (exceptions being the greenback period and some of the time under the first two national banks).


I grant that was overstated. What I meant to say was that the Jekyll Island autocrats well understood the basic tenets of MMT and used these basic principles to enrich themselves greatly.
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby Elvis » Tue May 07, 2019 6:34 pm

In 1913 the US was still on the gold standard, which precluded issuing fiat money. However, private banks issued money ex nihilo by reserve-based fractional lending. In 1933 FDR took the US off the gold standard (a brilliant move).
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby Elvis » Wed May 15, 2019 6:08 am

In a response to Doug Henwood’s critique [see above], Pavlina Tcherneva makes the case for the analytical power and political potency of of Modern Monetary Theory.


Jacobin mag published this reply, it's great, Tcherneva should write more articles!

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/02/mmt- ... ton-window
MMT Is Already Helping

By Pavlina R. Tcherneva

I was looking forward to reading Doug Henwood’s piece and the chance to respond to what I was sure to be a hard-hitting analytical critique. I was disappointed. There is no there there and thus my reply will be short.

His critique amounts to guilt by association and the utterly distasteful insinuation that MMT scholars cannot be trusted and neither can their work. MMT developer Warren Mosler has long been an advocate for “euthanizing the rentier,” but that can be ignored because he is a hedge fund guy. Let’s also ignore that Beardsley Ruml is not the only Fed official who has corroborated key MMT claims. Abba Lerner’s technical analysis of bonds, interest rates, and government spending is not contingent on the particular historical moment after WWII. Randall Wray and Eric Tymoigne have offered probably the most thorough reply to Thomas Palley’s critique, but none of the substance of their response makes it into Henwood’s piece, only a caricature of their rhetorical style. The hit job on Wray’s scholarship (someone who has left an indelible mark on institutionalist and Post Keynesian thought) is particularly disturbing, and Wray has issued his own reply. There is not a word about the importance of Wynne Godley’s work to MMT, while one of the most prolific MMT authors — Bill Mitchell — barely makes a cameo appearance, perhaps so as not to rock Henwood’s mistaken view that MMT is a US-centric approach.

I was hoping to see some engagement with the analytical insights of MMT, but alas. You will learn from Doug Henwood that we have done the “elaborate arithmetic of bank reserves,” but that reserve accounting is apparently of “limited relevance to anyone concerned with big-picture economic questions,” as if how the government funds itself is not one of them. Henwood can’t or won’t tell us what he thinks is wrong with our analysis. He simply says that we are wrong.

Odds are, if he did a couple of balance sheets on his own, he would see that the government cannot possibly pre-fund its programs in any technical sense of the word. If he slogged through the workings of Federal Reserve and Treasury operations, he would see that taxes are not stockpiled in any material sense for future re-spending. Shockingly, there is nothing in his article about a core pillar of MMT analysis — the financial sector balances. If he pondered them for just a minute, he might start asking some different questions about government deficits and might understand that the government’s deficit by identity equals the nongovernment’s financial saving.

And because there is no discussion or analysis of bond markets, primary dealers, the role of the Fed as market-maker for bonds, Henwood continues to resort to the easy but false tropes of the “underfunded state” and “privately financed” government borrowing. Without any of the technical analysis, he is left with the other common caricatures of MMT: the “freely running” or “overworked printing presses” that bring hyperinflation and doom.

Henwood’s discussion of the Job Guarantee (JG) is a bit more charitable, probably because he believes (incorrectly) that the program is accessory to the MMT project. MMT theorizes what it means for the government to be a monopoly currency issuer, to be able to set the price of that currency (i.e., the conversion rate between the currency and real goods and services), the benefits of anchoring the value of the currency in labor power (something I thought would resonate with Henwood), how the JG accomplishes that goal and establishes a labor standard for the entire economy by implementing a transformative countercyclical and structural policy that does not render the unemployed disposable. MMT examines the role of taxes in driving the currency and creating unemployment, and the inherent responsibility of the public sector to solve the problem it has created through the monetary system.

None of these ideas are even tangentially addressed. Henwood criticizes us for being “coy” about how much spending is too much, conveniently ignoring that the whole point of doing targeted demand via a JG is that it sets a floor and a ceiling to government spending, while anchoring prices. Whereas it is the current pump-priming bastard-Keynesian model that has no answer to the question, “how much spending is too much” to get us to full employment. MMT’s JG ensures that government spending on the program is always exactly at the “right” level to produce and maintain full employment.

In short, there is no hard-hitting analytical critique of MMT and thus nothing to debate. Henwood has not refuted a single one of our claims.

What I got from his piece is the following.

Henwood wants to wage “class struggle” via fiscal policy and specifically tax policy. Worse, he wants to expropriate the wealth of the rich by making it more digestible for them. He says that “rich people would have a lot harder time complaining about their money being taken to educate kids and save the planet than if it were taken because they were too rich.” Which sounds very much like, “sorry to be taking your money but we really, really need it, don’t you agree?” What a class war!

Henwood does not acknowledge that one of the most effective ways of engaging in this struggle is to render the wealthy obsolete — as in, we will stop pretending that we need them to pay for the good society. In a world with a sovereign currency and modern monetary and fiscal institutions, we never really did, and we sure don’t now. And the public needs to know it. That’s the MMT message.

For the record MMT, as Henwood acknowledges, has always argued for taxing the wealthy to address the problems of inequality and political power, but we also offer a different kind of empowerment — one that comes with lifting the veil of money.

I would say that Henwood (like other “tax-the-rich-to-pay-for-progress” lefties) is tethered to the wealthy by an imaginary umbilical cord that holds his progressive agenda hostage to his oppressors. To me, this is the definition of a self-induced paralysis.

Time to cut the cord. MMT has a profound emancipatory power and the Left would do well to awaken to its potential.

The MMT ship has sailed, whether Henwood is aboard or not. Anyone serious about bold progressive policies is already ignoring the austerians and lefty deficit scolds like Henwood. The Green New Dealers aren’t waiting for the “tax-the-rich socialists” to win their class war just in time, before irrevocable climate change is upon us. They are rolling up their sleeves and getting to work. They know that we have far greater problems to solve, namely how to reorganize our resources and production to ensure an inclusive and just transition to a green future that can secure a decent life for all. And so long as we have the will to do the hard work, we have the means to pay for our policy priorities.

Henwood may think MMT is a distraction, but the record stands. We have done the heavy lifting to bust formidable, decades-long myths about government spending, to help shift the Overton window and pave the way for today’s bold and unapologetic programs that reclaim the state. The real distractions are those, like Henwood, who, hoping to influence the public conversation, cling to sclerotic visions of public finance.



About the Author

Pavlina R. Tcherneva is program director and associate professor of economics at Bard College and a research associate at the Levy Economics Institute.


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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby alloneword » Wed May 15, 2019 6:36 am

^^^ That is a good unpacking of Henwood.

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Another discussion from RNN:

The MMT Debate With Dean Baker & Randall Wray
May 13, 2019

We continue our series of discussions about Modern Money Theory and funding the Green New Deal with host Paul Jay

https://therealnews.com/stories/the-mmt ... ndall-wray
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby JackRiddler » Wed May 15, 2019 8:42 am

Everyone's had their turn on Henwood and done really good work. Pavlina's is the best piece.

Henwood's abuse of the Weimar example really angered me. It's indistinguishable from the libertarian Weimar-Zimbabwe rhetoric, and just as historically ignorant. It's also a kind of instant intellectual bankruptcy declaration, he's putting a seal on the fact that he has nothing interesting to say about the subject. Republicans also anger me, right, but I'm so disappointed in his case because I like the guy, I think he has the best damn show, and he has achieved a smallish position as a kind of left spokesperson.
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby Elvis » Sat May 18, 2019 9:56 am

This is fascinating, and why not two currencies for Greece? I'd say this fellow knows what he's talking about and explains it quite well. If you're in hurry, watch from 3:30.

Also, compare RT here with coverage by US media; Lietaer is right, this is just not discussed.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAAcTxd3b88

Swiss solution for Greece: two currencies - Euro co-designer
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The future is unclear not only for Greece, but for the Eurozone itself. One of the architects of the Euro, Bernard Lietaer thinks hard liners in bailout negotiations are only twisting the knife in the wound.
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby Elvis » Sat May 18, 2019 10:03 am

Excellent podcast, worth a listen.

http://macroncheese.com/debunking-econo ... e-movement

Debunking Economic Illiteracy in the Progressive Movement with L. Randall Wray

Apr 20, 2019

Steve's guest is L. Randall Wray, a professor of Economics at Bard College and Senior Scholar at the Levy Economics Institute. In this 2017 interview, Wray looks at the Global Financial Crisis from both sides now. The celebrated economist tells Steve how the rise of shadow banking led to banking deregulation, opening the door for massive fraud, leading to the global financial crisis. He then explains in detail how globalism affected average Americans, suppressing their wages for 40 years and forcing them to amass unsustainable personal debt. These two threads led to the GFC.

Wray compares the federal government’s response to the banking crisis with the reaction to the real economy’s crisis, the jobs crisis, and the consumer spending crisis. Is it any wonder that Wall St recovered, but the rest of the economy did not?

He maintains that only a federal job guarantee will prevent more pain. Manufacturing jobs are not coming back to the US any time soon. He goes on to address both the myths and reality of Social Security and Medicare. And finally, he offers a simple but truthful description of the relationship & interaction between the central bank, or Federal Reserve, and the Treasury.

http://www.levyinstitute.org/scholars/l-randall-wray
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby Elvis » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:35 pm

Curious presentation—I think she's trying to explain it as if to a child—but factual, and uses the classic clip of Bernanke calmly explaining that money is created by changing the numbers on a computer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8QLofQgnW0
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby Elvis » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:43 pm

Even as I typed the above, an NPR host is talking about "bringing more money into the government" with taxes. I should get on Twitter and harrass them, all of them! I hate being an Internet crank, but the daily "how will we pay for that?" on NPR is driving me nuts. (I heard the exact words just yesterday when another NPR host asked Jay Inslee about federal spending. His answer left a lot to be desired.)
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby Elvis » Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:59 pm

Currently reading "Money: Whence It Came and Where it Went" by John Kenneth Galbraith (1975). Longtime readers may recall I'm a fan of Galbraith, but I'd somehow missed this title. Maybe it was subtly suppressed?—after all, it crosses a line...

Highly recommended, for JKG's wit, but definitely for the history of "paper money"—and he relates how the denigration of paper money ("printed" money) has served the established money powers. In the part I'm reading now, he focuses on how the American and French revolutions were only made possible by the issue of paper money. To be clear: those revolutions were not possible without it.

I'd love to copy swaths of the brilliance to share here, but Google Books is being stingy and a search is short; please advise of any free online version.

Perhaps I'll fire up the scanner another time, meanwhile here's a choice bit manually transcribed for your enjoyment:

... we have here the explanation as to why the revolutionary role of paper is so little celebrated. The American Revolution would immediately, and the French Revolution would eventually, acquire great respectability. School books would tell school-children of their wonders. But a line had to be drawn. It could not, either in decency or safety, be conceded that anything so wonderful was accomplished by anything so questionable as the Continental notes of the American Revolution or the assignats of the French Revolution.

That line has held firm but now MMT is crossing it.
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Re: Modern Monetary Theory

Postby Grizzly » Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:22 am

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Bernie Sanders' plan to empower workers could revolutionise Britain's economy (among others') - "Giving employees a stake in firms would reshape power: this could be the start of a transatlantic challenge to neoliberalism."

In place of an extractive and unequal economy, the fight is on for one that is democratic and sustainable by design, rooted in new models of ownership.

Although the details of Sanders’ plans are still to be decided, the outlines are clear. The policy would require businesses to transfer a percentage of their shares annually to a fund controlled by employees. The fund would then pay a regular dividend to workers while giving them a powerful voting bloc in corporate governance. Growing over time, the funds would be a new way of socialising the economy from the inside out.

Reshaping ownership would give people a stake and a say, helping democratise their workplace. Analysis for Common Wealth, a left-leaning thinktank – which I am director of – focused on designing ownership models for the democratic economy, showed that with a 10% stake in the largest US corporations, the average dividend payment per employee would be $2,725 (£2,160) per year. Of course, there are sharp differences in profitability between different companies and sectors. Getting the design of how the dividend is distributed will be crucial to ensuring the policy does not worsen inequality. And that also means ensuring that society as a whole – not just workers – gets a share of collectively produced profits. But done well, it can transform private, corporate wealth into common wealth.

also btw :P

Money is Law - "Traditionally, the state is defined by whatever party has a monopoly on violence, be it the military or the mafia or the mob. But an entity with a monopoly on money can achieve the same persuasive capacity... When you have the ability to loan out infinite amounts of money, you can enslave a population with no violence at all. See also: The entire banking industry."
National Facebookism - "We work so hard for attention. That can be the proof-of-work that generates GlobalCoin."
Inflation - "In Cuba, health care and education are Free, and toys and food are expensive... the Socialists are smartest of them all. Baumol was right[1] — Healthcare and education are overpriced because the opportunity cost of labor is high. Cuba gets it. By running an authoritarian commie state, they don’t waste human resources on politics and media and bankers and other parasites. That frees up a lot of manpower for people to become doctors."
Scalable Communism - "China's rolling out a nationwide social credit system that assigns scores based on things like littering and helping old people. A handy app helps citizens identify nearby deadbeats so they can be properly shunned. We may not have the cognitive capacity to remember a nationwide network of amici, but computers do!"

A 600-Page Textbook About Modern Monetary Theory Has Sold Out - "MMT argues that governments in control of their own currencies, like the U.S. and Japan, aren't constrained in the ways standard economics says they are. They may risk stoking inflation or running out of resources if they spend too much -- but they can't go broke."[2]

At Westminster College in Utah, John Watkins said he’s adding the new MMT textbook to his syllabus next semester. A professor who’s been teaching macroeconomics for three decades, he says the field could use more intellectual diversity.

“Most macro texts copy each other,’’ he said. “So many professors have been schooled in mainstream economics, so they likely will continue teaching ideas that have little or no relevance to the world.’’[3]

Mitchell, the textbook’s co-author, said there’s growing interest outside of academia too. Investors and politicians are reaching out.

He’s been invited to the U.K. Labour Party’s annual conference, and “I’m now giving workshops to the financial community,’’ he said. “They’ve suddenly realized this is something they need to understand.’’

After Neoliberalism - "By contrast, the third camp advocates what I call progressive capitalism, which prescribes a radically different economic agenda, based on four priorities. The first is to restore the balance between markets, the state, and civil society."

Slow economic growth, rising inequality, financial instability, and environmental degradation are problems born of the market, and thus cannot and will not be overcome by the market on its own. Governments have a duty to limit and shape markets through environmental, health, occupational-safety, and other types of regulation. It is also the government’s job to do what the market cannot or will not do, like actively investing in basic research, technology, education, and the health of its constituents.

The second priority is to recognize that the “wealth of nations” is the result of scientific inquiry – learning about the world around us – and social organization that allows large groups of people to work together for the common good.[4] Markets still have a crucial role to play in facilitating social cooperation, but they serve this purpose only if they are governed by the rule of law and subject to democratic checks. Otherwise, individuals can get rich by exploiting others, extracting wealth through rent-seeking rather than creating wealth through genuine ingenuity...

This brings us to the third priority: addressing the growing problem of concentrated market power. By exploiting information advantages, buying up potential competitors, and creating entry barriers, dominant firms are able to engage in large-scale rent-seeking to the detriment of everyone else. The rise in corporate market power, combined with the decline in workers’ bargaining power, goes a long way toward explaining why inequality is so high and growth so tepid...

The fourth key item on the progressive agenda is to sever the link between economic power and political influence. Economic power and political influence are mutually reinforcing and self-perpetuating, especially where, as in the US, wealthy individuals and corporations may spend without limit in elections. As the US moves ever closer to a fundamentally undemocratic system of “one dollar, one vote,” the system of checks and balances so necessary for democracy likely cannot hold: nothing will be able to constrain the power of the wealthy. This is not just a moral and political problem: economies with less inequality actually perform better.

Henry George: The economist to watch in the 21st Century - "I am sitting here diving into a brand new copy of a book – Progress and Poverty – that was written 140 years ago, in 1879. And it occurred to me I should write you about it because the ideas in this book are as relevant to the 21st century as any other school of economic thought. The author is Henry George, a political economist and journalist who was influential in the late 19th century. And although Georgism isn't getting a lot of buzz in the business press right now, this book I am about to re-read has sold millions of copies since it was written. And that's because its themes resonate."

It’s an economic school of thought that is very pro-capitalism in that it holds that individuals have every right to profit from the value of what they produce themselves. But the economic value derived from rents is not the property of individuals but belongs jointly to all members of a community.

Now, back when Henry George was alive, the term “rents” meant land and natural resources... In the 21st century, where the lion’s share of the income in advanced economies is derived in the services sector, it’s not just physical property that matters, but also intellectual property. In fact, IP is the crucial issue in the trade dispute between China and the United States. IP is the singular most important issue regarding drug costs, due to the “rents” drug companies derive from their patents. And IP is what makes the dominant technology companies in the US prodigious money-making machines.

Put simply, the Georgist Revival must think about the extraction of rents in a broader context than just from land. More and more, rents are now extracted from ideas... I want to talk, not just about rent-seeking, land value capture, and intellectual property, but also about monopolies, oligopolies and monopsony power. I am also interested in the concepts of rent extraction, profit and externalities because this is related to the climate change debate. And finally, given the collapse of the center of the political spectrum – and the increasing polarization of electorates around the world, I am interested in the income and wealth inequality aspects of Georgist ideas as well.

"To those who, seeing the vice and misery that spring from the unequal distribution of wealth and privilege, feel the possibility of a higher social state and would strive for its attainment." --San Francisco, March, 1879[5]
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