Khashoggi Disappearance

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Torture bad. Murder bad. Dismemberment bad. Coverup bad.


Pompeo listened to an alleged recording of the murder of Jamal Khashoggi: Source


PHOTO: Secretary of State Mike Pompeo walks out of the West Wing before talking to journalists following a meeting with President Donald Trump at the White House, Oct. 18, 2018 in Washington.Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
WATCH Trump on whether Jamal Khashoggi is dead: 'certainly looks that way'

Secretary of State has heard an alleged audio recording of Washington Post columnist inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, according to a senior Turkish official.

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Speaking exclusively and on condition of anonymity to ABC News, the official claimed the recording was played in meetings in on Wednesday, and that Pompeo was given a transcript of the recordings.

Separately, ABC News has also learned that Turkish officials believe that Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate following a struggle that lasted eight minutes and that they believe he died of strangulation.

The White House referred questions to the State Department which denied Pompeo had heard the recording and had not seen a transcript.

"Secretary Pompeo has neither heard a tape nor has he seen a transcript related to Jamal Khashoggi’s disappearance," said State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert

Yesterday, on his way back from Istanbul, Pompeo was asked if he had heard the audio.

"I don’t have anything to say about that," he said.

President Trump has been publicly asking to hear the recording. Pompeo met with the president at the White House on Thursday morning to brief him on his visit to Turkey and Saudi Arabia, where he met with Saudi King Salman and Crown Prince Mohamed bin Salman.

PHOTO: In this Dec. 15, 2014 file photo, Jamal Khashoggi, then general manager of a new Arabic news channel speaks during a press conference, in Manama, Bahrain.Hasan Jamali/AP, FILE
In this Dec. 15, 2014 file photo, Jamal Khashoggi, then general manager of a new Arabic news channel speaks during a press conference, in Manama, Bahrain.more +
It is unknown whether Pompeo shared the transcript with the president, but soon after the meeting the president changed his tune.

While earlier in the week the president questioned whether the audio recording existed and cautioned against blaming Saudi Arabia for Khashoggi’s disappearance, on Thursday afternoon his administration abruptly canceled a visit to Saudi Arabia by Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin to attend a large investment conference hosted by the Crown Prince, whom Turkish officials have reportedly claimed was behind Khashoggi's killing.

Later in the day, Trump that "it certainly looks like" Khashoggi was dead.

"It certainly looks that way to me, it's very sad," Trump told reporters before boarding Air Force One to attend a political rally in Montana.

The president said the consequences for Saudi Arabia, if they are ultimately deemed culpable, "will have to be very severe. It's bad, bad stuff."

For now, the president said the United States is waiting for the results of several investigations but will then make a "very strong statement."

PHOTO: President Donald Trump waves off further questions as he heads to board Air Force One after talking to reporters about journalist Jamal Khashoggis disappearance while departing for travel to Montana from Joint Base Andrews, Md., Oct. 18, 2018.Jonathan Ernst/Reuters
President Donald Trump waves off further questions as he heads to board Air Force One after talking to reporters about journalist Jamal Khashoggi's disappearance while departing for travel to Montana from Joint Base Andrews, Md., Oct. 18, 2018.more +
On Thursday, after his meeting at the White House, Pompeo said that he told the president that the Saudis should have "a few more days" to finish their investigation into Khashoggi’s disappearance.

But Pompeo also stressed the "long strategic relationship" that the U.S. has with Saudi Arabia, and described the country as an "important counter-terrorism supporter."

Reports have been circulating for days that the Turkish government has audio recordings of Khashoggi being interrogated and murdered in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

Turkish officials have openly claimed that Khashoggi was killed in the consulate, and that a group of 15 Saudi men flew to Istanbul around the time of Khashoggi’s disappearance.

The Saudi government has having anything to do with the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi.

A close friend of Khashoggi, Turan Kislakci, that Turkish government and security officials had told him that Khashoggi was dead.

PHOTO: A Turkish forensic officer arrives at the Saudi consulate to conduct a new search over the disappearance and alleged slaying of Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi, in Istanbul, early Thursday, Oct. 18, 2018.Emrah Gurel/AP
A Turkish forensic officer arrives at the Saudi consulate to conduct a new search over the disappearance and alleged slaying of Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi, in Istanbul, early Thursday, Oct. 18, 2018.more +
"They said, 'We have audio on this. We know all the details about what transpired,'" said Kislakci. "They said, 'We were able to access this the first day, and we have various other evidence on this.'"

Kislakci claimed that the tapes reveal that after Khashoggi went into the Saudi embassy, he was given documents to sign. Khashoggi refused, and was killed.

"I still want to wish and hope that he is alive and so on," Kislakci said. "Unfortunately, this kind of news which related with his killing in a barbaric way is coming out."

Khashoggi, who had been living in the U.S., went missing more than two weeks ago after he entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2. He was visiting the consulate to file paperwork for his upcoming wedding, and his fiancee waited for him in a car outside the consulate.

Khashoggi worked as an opinion columnist at The Washington Post newspaper, and has written critically of the Saudi government and its crown prince, Mohammad Bin Salman. Khashoggi warned of renewed efforts to silence the free press in the Middle East, and his final column, published on Wednesday, was titled “."
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Why the Saudis despised Jamal Khashoggi

By Tony Badran and Michael Doran
Why the Saudis despised Jamal Khashoggi
With the likelihood growing that the Saudi government was behind the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, pressure has built for severe, swift action. As President Trump awaits more answers and contemplates a response, it’s worth considering who Khashoggi actually was, what he stood for and why the regime might have wanted him dead.

This is not to suggest that the killing of Khashoggi is justified. It is, however, meant to observe that characterizations of him in the media are not fully accurate. He’s depicted as a “reformer,” a “democracy advocate” and a “journalist.” Yet these are half-truths that obscure the political role Khashoggi played.

Before anything else, he was a regime insider. He was a close associate of senior members of the royal family who were eclipsed by the new crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman.

Khashoggi was not merely a pen for hire. He represented a particular political perspective. An Islamist, his views on major issues consistently tracked with those of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Last September, for example, he lamented the crown prince’s new policy.

“Saudi Arabia,” Khashoggi said, “is the mother and father of political Islam.” But the Saudi government was forsaking this tradition. “Today,” the kingdom has turned against its very nature and is “fighting political Islam.” As a consequence, its “compass is lost.”

A Turkophile, Khashoggi hoped instead that the new crown prince would follow in the footsteps of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who supports the Muslim Brotherhood across the Arab world. Khashoggi envisioned a grand alliance between Riyadh and Ankara.

“Saudi Arabia must return to fully supporting the Syrian revolution and to ally with the Turks,” he said. Like Erdogan, Khashoggi was hostile to the Sisi regime in Egypt and opposed Mohammed bin Salman’s rapprochement with Israel.

This perspective also translated into a sympathetic attitude toward Qatar, which aligns regionally with Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood. To MBS, however, Qatar has a sinister profile. When he broke off relations with the Qataris last year, he accused them of sponsoring members of the Saudi Islamist opposition, weaponizing media outlets against the kingdom and even plotting assassinations.

In the eyes of the young crown prince, Khashoggi symbolized the three-prong threat to his rule: the Muslim Brothers, the Turkish-Qatari axis and disaffected princes. When Khashoggi moved to America, Salman added a fourth prong: the element of the American elite that sought to downgrade Saudi Arabia’s friendship in US foreign policy.

Khashoggi found an influential perch at The Washington Post, from which he launched attacks on the crown prince. One of his recent columns, for example, calls for the end of the war in Yemen, which he portrays as an abject failure. He presents the Saudi government as an indiscriminate killer of fellow Muslims and blames the failure of peace talks on its obstinacy and incompetence.

These arguments hit the crown prince where it hurts most: They implicitly attack his Islamic legitimacy, essentially placing him in the same category as slaughterers of Muslims, such as the Syrian and Russian leaders, Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin.

In presenting himself to his American friends, Khashoggi fashioned himself less the Islamist and more the democratic reformer. He made a tactical alliance with former Obama officials who seek to depict Trump’s pro-Saudi and anti-Iranian policy as a disaster.

Trump, in this view, is the enabler of a young, impetuous crown prince. Conflicts such as Yemen result from Saudi recklessness rather than Iranian expansionism.

Far from erasing this picture from the US media, Khashoggi’s disappearance has strengthened it. Given the opposition of former Obama officials to Trump’s strategy, they have an interest in stoking outrage at Khashoggi’s death. Their goal is to harness it in order to resurrect Obama’s outreach to Tehran.

Ironically, containing Iran is a goal that would make perfect sense to Khashoggi. In advocating a rapprochement between Riyadh and the Turkish-Qatari axis, he stressed the need for the Sunni powers to band together to thwart Tehran.

This is an aspect of his thought that he downplayed when making common cause with his American allies. It is the aspect, however, which President Trump would do well to remember most.

Tony Badran is research fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. Michael Doran is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.
https://nypost.com/2018/10/18/why-the-s ... khashoggi/



U.S. intel officials: Inconceivable Saudi prince had no link to Khashoggi death

Image: Jamal Khashoggi
WASHINGTON — U.S. intelligence agencies investigating the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi believe it's inconceivable that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman had no connection to his death, but still have no "smoking gun" evidence that he ordered Khashoggi killed, multiple government officials tell NBC News.

Although President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo remain tight-lipped about what they know, Trump finally acknowledged Thursday that Khashoggi is likely dead. Behind the scenes, U.S. spy agencies are trying to determine whether the killing was pre-planned or resulted from either an interrogation that went awry or a botched operation to bring him to Saudi Arabia, officials say — and how directly Crown Prince Mohammed was involved.

The emerging U.S. picture of what transpired in the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul comes as the Trump administration says it's giving Saudi Arabia a "few more days" to investigate internally and then reveal the results publicly. Turkish authorities and critics of Saudi Arabia are concerned that Trump is allowing the Saudis to come up with a cover story that will clear Saudi leadership of any responsibility, thus allowing the U.S. to continue its close relationship with Saudi Arabia.

Image: Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi speaks at an event hosted by Middle East Monitor in London
Saudi dissident Jamal Khashoggi speaks at an event hosted by Middle East Monitor in London Britain, Sept. 29, 2018.Middle East Monitor / Reuters
Turkish authorities claim that a recording of Khashoggi's killing in the consulate proves he was killed within minutes of entering by a 15-member hit team sent from Saudi Arabia, and have leaked details about the purported tape's contents to Turkish media. But three U.S. officials tell NBC News that the Turks have not yet given any tape to the U.S. government to review.

Trump called on Turkey to turn over that audio "if it exists." As of now, neither Trump nor Pompeo have heard the tape, officials said.

In fact, it took Trump more than two weeks after Khashoggi's disappearance to acknowledge the likelihood that he is dead.

"It certainly looks that way to me," Trump said Thursday. "It's very sad."


The question of how much U.S. and other intelligence agencies already know about Khashoggi's killing may help determine whether the explanation the Saudis eventually provide will hold up to scrutiny.

Trump and Pompeo say they're awaiting the results of a joint Saudi-Turkish investigation. Yet U.S. intelligence agencies already have obtained far more information than has been reflected in Trump's comments, officials said, and some of that intelligence will be available to members of Congress who oversee the intelligence community.

If the Saudis offer an explanation — such as that Khashoggi died during a botched interrogation — that is contradicted by U.S. intercepts or other intelligence, the Trump administration would face pressure to dispute it.

In the White House, Trump and his aides have been focused on preventing the debacle from disrupting the U.S.-Saudi relationship, which the Trump administration sees as key to its broader Mideast agenda and its campaign to isolate mutual foe Iran, officials say. Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser who is close to Crown Prince Mohammed, has emphasized that as a close U.S. partner, Saudi Arabia should be treated differently in this situation than if it were a U.S. enemy.

Pompeo, who traveled this week to Riyadh to discuss the situation with Saudi leaders, was stern in his meeting with Crown Prince Mohammed, two U.S. officials familiar with the meeting said. Pompeo emphasized that the U.S. is committed to maintaining its close relationship with Saudi Arabia and working together on Iran but can no longer tolerate domestic messes like the Khashoggi killing, the officials said. In recent months Saudi Arabia and Crown Prince Mohammed have also attracted negative international headlines for crackdowns on women's rights activists and a heavy-handed corruption purge in which princes and members of the business elite were rounded up and jailed in the Riyadh Ritz-Carlton.


Although the U.S. currently lacks definitive proof, officials say there is a strong circumstantial case linking the killing to the crown prince, including published reports in recent days that many members of the Saudi team Turkey has accused of killing the journalist had ties to the prince.

Moreover, experts say, Salman's total control of the Saudi security apparatus makes it almost inconceivable that Khashoggi's death was the result of a "rogue operation."

"It's possible that there was a complete misunderstanding, a partial understanding or that what happened in Istanbul was somehow ordered by him," said Jon Alterman, a former State Department official and Mideast expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. "But it's very hard for me to imagine — given what I've heard about the crown prince and how his office works — that people were wildly freelancing."

To gain a fuller picture of what transpired, former intelligence officials say, the National Security Agency, which specializes in eavesdropping and hacking communications, would seek to obtain any evidence as part of the U.S. intelligence collection effort targeting this incident, including stealing audio and video surveillance maintained by private companies or the Turkish or Saudi governments.

Foreign consulates are often the targets of CIA recruiting, former officials say, meaning it is possible the CIA or an American ally such as Britain, Israel or Jordan has a paid informant inside the facility.

The mandate to the NSA would be "give me everything you got," said former Deputy CIA Director John McLaughlin, now an NBC News analyst, who briefed Republican and Democratic presidents. "They are constantly sweeping up stuff and most of it never sees the light of day. They would look back and determine what did we pick up in [in eavesdropping], what do we have in imagery collection that could be relevant."

The NSA would likely have the capability to piece together the movements of the Saudi team through cellphone location data, a former NSA official said.
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More Khashoggi-MBS Links Revealed as Suspected Killer Dies in 'Suspicious Car Accident'

The New York Times also tied Saudi crown prince to the alleged killers, citing that 'American intelligence officials are increasingly convinced that [the crown prince] is culpable in the killing'

Haaretz and The Associated Press Oct 18, 2018 1:34 PM

His Royal Highness Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman and Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner visited with Houston's Habitat for Humanity on Saturday, April 7, 2018, in Houston, TX on the last stop of his U.S. tour
His Royal Highness Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman and Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner visited with Houston's Habitat for Humanity on Saturday, April 7, 2018, in Houston, TX Photo by Paul Ladd/Invision for Aramco Services/AP Images
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A man who previously traveled with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s entourage to the United States entered the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul just before writer Jamal Khashoggi vanished there, according to images published Thursday by a pro-government Turkish newspaper.

The Sabah newspaper’s report showed the man also later outside the Saudi consul general’s home, checking out of a Turkish hotel as a large suitcase stood by his side, and leaving Turkey on October 2.

The report came as Turkish crime-scene investigators finished an overnight search of both the consul general’s residence and a second search of the consulate itself amid Ankara’s fears that Saudi authorities had Khashoggi killed and dismembered inside the diplomatic mission in Istanbul.

Saudi Arabia, which initially called the allegations “baseless,” has not responded to repeated requests for comment from The Associated Press over recent days, including on Thursday.

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The Sabah report showed the man walking past police barricades at the consulate at 9:55 A.M. with several men trailing behind him. Khashoggi arrived at the consulate several hours later at 1:14 P.M., then disappeared while his fiancée waited outside for him.

The New York Times also tied the crown prince, known as MBS, to the alleged killers, citing that "American intelligence officials are increasingly convinced that [the crown prince] is culpable in the killing."

CNN reported Tuesday that Khashoggi's killing in Istanbul was organized by a high-ranking officer with the General Intelligence Presidency, Saudi Arabia's main intelligence service, three sources close to the investigation told CNN late on Tuesday.

CNN added that "one of those sources described the officer as close to the inner circle of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman," who oversees much of Saudi Arabia security and intelligence services.


What we know so far about the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi
A report Wednesday by the pro-government newspaper Yeni Safak, citing what it described as an audio recording of Khashoggi’s slaying, said a Saudi team immediately accosted the 60-year-old journalist after he entered the consulate, cutting off his fingers and later decapitating him.

The same Turkish newspaper reported on October 18 that one of the suspects involved in the disappearance of Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi died in a “suspicious car accident” in Riyadh.

The paper named Mashal Saad al-Bostani, a 31-year-old lieutenant of the Saudi Royal Air Forces.

Fifteen-man Saudi team

Previously leaked surveillance footage showed consular vehicles moving from the consulate to the consul general’s official residence, some 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) away, a little under two hours after Khashoggi walked inside. The Sabah newspaper showed an image of the man at 4:53 P.M. at the consul’s home, then at 5:15 p.m. checking out of a hotel. He later cleared airport security at 5:58 P.M.

Security services in Turkey have used pro-government media to leak details of Khashoggi’s case, adding to the pressure on the kingdom.

The AP could not immediately verify the man’s identity, though he’s one of the individuals previously identified by Turkish authorities as being involved in the 15-man Saudi team that targeted Khashoggi.

Images shot by the Houston Chronicle and later distributed by the AP show the same man was in Prince Mohammed’s entourage when he visited a Houston subdivision in April to see rebuilding efforts after Hurricane Harvey. The same man wore lapel pins, including one of the flags of Saudi Arabia and America intertwined, that other bodyguards accompanying Prince Mohammed wore on the trip.

The three-week trip across the U.S. saw Prince Mohammed meet with business leaders and celebrities, including Amazon billionaire Jeff Bezos, who now owns the Post.

The searches and the leaks in Turkish media have ensured the world’s attention remains focused on what happened to Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist who went into a self-imposed exile in the United States over the rise of Prince Mohammed. It also put further strains on the relationship between the kingdom, the world’s largest oil exporter, and its main security guarantor, the U.S., as tensions with Iran and elsewhere in the Middle East remain high.

Flying back home after a visit to both Saudi Arabia and Turkey, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo remained positive Wednesday about an ongoing Saudi probe into Khashoggi’s disappearance, but he stressed that answers are needed.

“Sooner’s better than later for everyone,” Pompeo said.

U.S. President Donald Trump, who initially came out hard on the Saudis over the disappearance but since has backed off, said Wednesday that the U.S. wanted Turkey to turn over any audio or video recording it had of Khashoggi’s alleged killing “if it exists.”

On Thursday, the Post published what it described as Khashoggi’s last column in honor of the missing journalist.

In it, Khashoggi pointed to the muted international response to ongoing abuses against journalists by governments in the Middle East.

“As a result, Arab governments have been given free rein to continue silencing the media at an increasing rate,” Khashoggi wrote. He added: “The Arab world is facing its own version of an Iron Curtain, imposed not by external actors but through domestic forces vying for power.”
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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:38 pm

This is from 5 December 2016 on Khashoggi's original publication ban.

It stands out of course that talking against Trump was the cause for the suppression, and also how superficial and tentative these criticisms were. MbS runs a zero-tolerance regime.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 56956.html

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A Saudi Arabian journalist and commentator has been banned by his country for criticising US President-elect Donald Trump.

Jamal Khashoggi has been banned from writing in newspapers, making TV appearances and attending conferences, Middle East Eye reports.

After Mr Khashoggi criticised Mr Trump's Middle East policies at a Washington think-tank on 10 November, an official Saudi spokesman said he did not represent the Kingdom in a statement to the Saudi Press Agency.

Speaking at the Washington Institute, Mr Khashoggi described Mr Trump's stance on the Middle East as "contradictory", BreakingEnergy.com reported.

Mr Khashoggi said that while Mr Trump has been vocally anti-Iran, he has hinted he will support President Bashar al-Assad in Syria's civil war, a move which will ultimately bolster Iran.

"The expectation that 'Trump as president' will be starkly different from 'Trump as candidate' is a false hope at best," he added.

Mr Khashoggi was also quoted in a Washington Post article discussing potential changes in the Middle East as a result of Mr Trump's election victory.

In the article, he described hopes for a regional reconciliation as "wishful thinking" which he said was at odds with Mr Trump's "apparent determination to ally more closely with Russia".

He added: "When his advisers show him the map, will he realise supporting Putin means supporting the Iranian agenda?"

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Mr Khashoggi's weekly column in the Al Hayat newspaper did not appear this week, despite being published every Saturday for nearly five years.

He previously held the position of editor-in-chief at a number of Saudi newspapers, including The Arab Times and Al-Watan.

The Independent has contacted the Saudi embassy for comment.
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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:41 am

"Mr. Kushner has argued that the outrage over Mr. Khashoggi’s disappearance and possible killing will pass, just as it did after other Saudi errors like the kidnapping of the prime minister of Lebanon and the killing of a busload of children in Yemen..."



House conservatives emailing conspiracy links to each other.

Fox News anchors musing about the Muslim Brotherhood.

GOP candidates slamming a dissident journalist.



Right wingers are doing a smear campaign against Khassoggi


Thanks for the help Fox News. Thanks for the lies

Love to see all the help trump is getting from many places

Conservatives mount a whisper campaign smearing Khashoggi in defense of Trump
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Khashoggi's Fiancée Speaks Out: 'There is Saudi Smear Campaign to Tarnish Good Name of Jamal'
https://www.albawaba.com/news/khashoggis-fiancée-speaks-out-there-saudi-smear-campaign-tarnish-good-name-jamal-1198214

Donald Trump Jr. Jumps on Disgusting Smear Campaign of Missing Saudi Journalist as a Terrorist Sympathizer

The disappearance of Saudi journalist and Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, and subsequent claims by the Turkish government that he was murdered by government officials in the Saudi consulate, has sickened the world, and prompted business leaders to suspend ties with Saudi Arabia.

But President Donald Trump has been disturbingly distant from the incident, which has horrified journalists who fear the president is sending a message to rogue regimes that the United States does not care about the killing of overseas reporters. Only today did he agree to even talk to King Salman about the issue.

Trump's right-wing defenders, on the other hand, have the most reprehensible response imaginable to justify the president's inaction: demonize Khashoggi as a terrorist sympathizer who didn't really deserve to live anyway. They are seizing on the fact that Khashoggi conducted interviews with al-Qaeda mastermind Osama bin Laden in the 80s and 90s as proof that he is friendly to al-Qaeda's goals.

And one person who appears to completely agree with this is the president's eldest son.

On Friday, Patrick Poole, terrorism correspondent for the far-right PJ Media, shared images of Khashoggi from the 80s with the Afghanistan freedom fighters who would ultimately become the Taliban, writing that he was "just a democrat reformer journalist holding a RPG with jihadists."

I didn’t realize until yesterday that Jamal Khashoggi was the author of this notorious 1988 Arab News article of him tooling around Afghanistan with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda co-founder Abdullah Azzam. He’s just a democrat reformer journalist holding a RPG with jihadists. pic.twitter.com/G7xTCjwiPx
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— Patrick Poole (@pspoole) October 12, 2018
Sean Davis, co-founder of The Federalist, another extreme right-wing publication, replied, saying "It's almost like reality is quite different than the evidence-free narratives peddled by media with a long history of cooperating with or getting duped by Iran echo chamber architects."

Huh. It's almost like reality is quite different than the evidence-free narratives peddled by media with a long history of cooperating with or getting duped by Iran echo chamber architects. https://t.co/olEV859jxv

— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) October 12, 2018
Donald Trump Jr. then proceeded to retweet this smear of Khashoggi.

Sean Davis considers himself pro-life and 1st amendment advocate. And yet he implies the brutal murder of journalist Khashoggi was somehow justified. pic.twitter.com/XE18Hm41u3

— Oliver Darko (@oliver_drk) October 12, 2018
The prospect a journalist working for a major U.S. newspaper might have been murdered for criticisms of the Saudi royal family is appalling. The fact that the president seems uninterested in the incident makes it ten times worse. But the absolute crown jewel has to be Trump supporters attacking his memory to retroactively excuse the president's refusal to defend the free press — and the president's own son endorsing it.

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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:07 am

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"Mr. Kushner has argued that the outrage over Mr. Khashoggi’s disappearance and possible killing will pass, just as it did after other Saudi errors like the kidnapping of the prime minister of Lebanon and the killing of a busload of children in Yemen..."

It occurs to me that outrage over a possible future dismemberment of Mr. Kushner (for example, through the detachment of his head by a falling blade) would also decay over time, with a shorter half-life. That's how it goes.

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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby liminalOyster » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:18 pm

Side note that there's a real ghastly poetry in listening to some of my most beloved (but admittedly milquetoast) #resistance dem friends only now appalled at Saudi capitulation (and necro-geopolitics at large) because it's Trump at the helm.
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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby Karmamatterz » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:58 pm

It stands out of course that talking against Trump was the cause for the suppression, and also how superficial and tentative these criticisms were. MbS runs a zero-tolerance regime.


The Saudi's have a penchant for beheadings. They are unabashed, unlike how in the U.S. people get Wellstoned or Boston Brake & Baked. The macabre puns aside, the chilling effect on real journalists is real thing. IMO.

All the more reason they should be using appropriate encryption tools. Very few are apparently, or at least not talking about it.

https://www.poynter.org/news/how-journa ... heir-email

I sat in a conference once listening to Google talk about this and wondered if I were a working journalist would I want to use a tool that Google was offering for encryption? Ummm...no. Of course encryption isn't going to help you if you've aligned with the wrong prince.

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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby Grizzly » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:38 pm

Imagine for a moment that Turkey* ... Khashoggi Disappearance didn't happen. Not trying to start/stir shit, merely for the sake of it. Hear me out... I kinda agree w/ Adam Curry and crew from No Agenda Episode 1078 - entitled: "Demonation"" Where they say, "really all we have as evidence that this event even happened was a potato video of someone believed to be Khashoggi entering the Turkish embassy. No audio, (though there's talk of it) nor video. Nothing has been confirmed other than the said, potato video of someone believed to be Khashoggi entering the Turkish embassy.
http://adam.curry.com/html/NoAgendaEpisode937St-1497211359.html

Errr.. https://mp3s.nashownotes.com/NA-1078-2018-10-18-Final.mp3
(16 minutes in ...)

*W/Hat tip to Jackriddler on a different thread

Sorry, edited cause I posted the wrong show at first...
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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:57 pm

I think there is ZERO chance of that and I did not mean to imply it by the hypothetical, which was making a completely unrelated argument about the Kiev regime.

Turkish regime is not this dumb, actually -- look at how well they managed the 2016 coup -- and if this is what they were doing everyone else would be acting differently, starting with S.A.

Whereas Saudi Arabia especially under MbS has already done far worse serially, and with equal disregard for what the world thinks. The column full of threats from the Al-Arabiya managing editor that I posted above (last page I think) displays a mentality of absolutism and belief in impunity, in invulnerability. It's as unhinged as anything Trump or Duterte or Bolsonaro ever said, with like 100 times less reason to think they can deliver any of it without self-destructing. Regimes really do go crazy, they do go rogue -- not the rational-evil ones we've been told would use nukes just for the fuck of it, like NK or Iran. S.A. ruling echelons are absolutely bugfuck nuts, by upbringing, ideology, and thanks to the rewarding feedback they have so far received from the world.

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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby Elvis » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:21 pm

Apparently they've settled on a "fistfight gone wrong" scenario. :roll: So let's see the corpse.
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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby Grizzly » Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:32 pm

I went back and re-listened to Noagenda radio show and it sure is worth RI's listening to especially from the 16 minute mark to the 31.54 mark.. then hear you thoughts on it. If I wasn't so bone tired (no pun intended) from a long work week, I'd try to transcribe it... for easy access.

Do give it a chance here: https://mp3s.nashownotes.com/NA-1078-2018-10-18-Final.mp3

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak from No Agenda Episode 1078 - entitled: "Demonation
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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby 82_28 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:37 am

I have been hella busy this week and have been unable to totally check in, but all I can come up with is that is the "simple imagery" of it. Say it didn't happen as told, the imagery has done its job. It is the process of normalization. Perhaps it will "stop" or something, but I doubt it. Like school shootings and Vegas massacres etc, we're just being normalized, like it or not. . .

My personal feelings are that this was just "a shot across the bow" of journalism in general. No one will put two and two together and attach it to the supreme psy-op of it all. Because that is what it is. It wouldn't be a psy-op were it not one. I honestly cannot say because who can? Something really fucking unimaginably awful happened, but now the journalism is lost through this on the part of what happened to Khashoggi.

But, I do not know anything. I cannot believe there is brutality as it is anyway.
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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:06 pm

There is definitely a convergence in the attack on journalism with Trump praising last year's literal assault on a Guardian reporter by a congressman right in the middle of the Khasshoggi affair. Reporters and commentators are being killed and imprisoned all over the world at rising rates and the biggest perpetrators include Turkey and Mexico as well as Saudi Arabia.

At the same time, most journalism is well-colonized, corporate or state media, propaganda outlets, and has come to be hated for this. They have provided decades of apologia for the very development that we are seeing escalate now. For most it's all about team membership, so look at how the Assange case is treated.

These contradictions are evident around the controversy over Khasshoggi's biography. This information, which is now being debated, does not in any way justify the murder. It may explain the power dynamics within S.A. and the decision to target him.

The first piece seems to have set off the talk about Khasshoggi as a possible leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Saudi Arabia. The podcast debates that (in first 15 minutes) and the next piece is a defense by the Spectator of their initial report, pointing out that it's not their fault if right-wing politicians are completely abusing the information to smear Kasshoggi in defense of the MbS regime.


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What the media aren’t telling you about Jamal Khashoggi

John R. Bradley
11 October 2018
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As someone who spent three decades working closely with intelligence services in the Arab world and the West, the Saudi dissident and Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi knew he was taking a huge risk in entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last week to try to obtain a document certifying he had divorced his ex-wife.

A one-time regime insider turned critic of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman — the de facto head of the Saudi kingdom which tolerates no criticism whatsoever — Khashoggi had been living in Washington for the previous year in self-imposed exile amid a crackdown on independent voices in his homeland.

He had become the darling of western commentators on the Middle East. With almost two million Twitter followers, he was the most famous political pundit in the Arab world and a regular guest on the major TV news networks in Britain and the United States. Would the Saudis dare to cause him harm? It turns out that the answer to that question was ‘You betcha.’

Following uneventful visits to the consulate and, earlier, the Saudi embassy in Washington, Khashoggi was lured into a murderous plan so brazen, so barbaric, that it would seem far-fetched as a subplot in a John le Carré novel. He went inside the Istanbul consulate, but failed to emerge. Turkish police and intelligence officials claimed that a team of 15 hitmen carrying Saudi diplomatic passports arrived the same morning on two private jets. Their convoy of limousines arrived at the consulate building shortly before Khashoggi did.

Their not-so-secret mission? To torture, then execute, Khashoggi, and videotape the ghastly act for whoever had given the order for his merciless dispatch. Khashoggi’s body, Turkish officials say, was dismembered and packed into boxes before being whisked away in a black van with darkened windows. The assassins fled the country.

Saudi denials were swift. The ambassador to Washington said reports that Saudi authorities had killed Khashoggi were ‘absolutely false’. But under the circumstances — with his fiancée waiting for him, and no security cameras finding any trace of his leaving the embassy — the world is left wondering if bin Salman directed this murder. When another Saudi official chimed in that ‘with no body, there is no crime’, it was unclear whether he was being ironic. Is this great reforming prince, with aims the West applauds, using brutal methods to dispose of his enemies? What we have learned so far is far from encouraging. A Turkish newspaper close to the government this week published the photographs and names of the alleged Saudi hitmen, and claims to have identified three of them as members of bin Salman’s personal protection team.

There are also reports in the American media that all surveillance footage was removed from the consulate building, and that all local Turkish employees there were suddenly given the day off. According to the New York Times, among the assassination team was the kingdom’s top forensic expert, who brought a bone saw to dismember Khashoggi’s body. None of this has yet been independently verified, but a very dark narrative is emerging.

In many respects, bin Salman’s regime has been revolutionary: he has let women drive, sided with Israel against Iran and curtailed the religious police. When Boris Johnson was foreign secretary, he said that bin Salman was the best thing to happen to the region in at least a decade, that the style of government of this 33-year-old prince was utterly different. But the cruelty and the bloodletting have not stopped. Saudi Arabia still carries out many public beheadings and other draconian corporal punishments. It continues to wage a war in Yemen which has killed at least 10,000 civilians.

Princes and businessmen caught up in a corruption crackdown are reported to have been tortured; Shia demonstrators have been mowed down in the streets and had their villages reduced to rubble; social media activists have been sentenced to thousands of lashes; families of overseas-based activists have been arbitrarily arrested. In an attempt to justify this, bin Salman said this week he was ‘trying to get rid of extremism and terrorism without civil war, without stopping the country from growing, with continuous progress in all elements,’ adding: ‘So if there is a small price in that area, it’s better than paying a big debt to do that move.’

The fate of Khashoggi has at least provoked global outrage, but it’s for all the wrong reasons. We are told he was a liberal, Saudi progressive voice fighting for freedom and democracy, and a martyr who paid the ultimate price for telling the truth to power. This is not just wrong, but distracts us from understanding what the incident tells us about the internal power dynamics of a kingdom going through an unprecedented period of upheaval. It is also the story of how one man got entangled in a Saudi ruling family that operates like the Mafia. Once you join, it’s for life, and if you try to leave, you become disposable.

In truth, Khashoggi never had much time for western-style pluralistic democracy. In the 1970s he joined the Muslim Brotherhood, which exists to rid the Islamic world of western influence. He was a political Islamist until the end, recently praising the Muslim Brotherhood in the Washington Post. He championed the ‘moderate’ Islamist opposition in Syria, whose crimes against humanity are a matter of record. Khashoggi frequently sugarcoated his Islamist beliefs with constant references to freedom and democracy. But he never hid that he was in favour of a Muslim Brotherhood arc throughout the Middle East. His recurring plea to bin Salman in his columns was to embrace not western-style democracy, but the rise of political Islam which the Arab Spring had inadvertently given rise to. For Khashoggi, secularism was the enemy.

He had been a journalist in the 1980s and 1990s, but then became more of a player than a spectator. Before working with a succession of Saudi princes, he edited Saudi newspapers. The exclusive remit a Saudi government–appointed newspaper editor has is to ensure nothing remotely resembling honest journalism makes it into the pages. Khashoggi put the money in the bank — making a handsome living was always his top priority. Actions, anyway, speak louder than words.

It was Yasin Aktay — a former MP for Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development party (AKP) — whom Khashoggi told his fiancée to call if he did not emerge from the consulate. The AKP is, in effect, the Turkish branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. His most trusted friend, then, was an adviser to President Erdogan, who is fast becoming known as the most vicious persecutor of journalists on earth. Khashoggi never meaningfully criticised Erdogan. So we ought not to see this as the assassination of a liberal reformer.

Khashoggi had this undeserved status in the West because of the publicity surrounding his sacking as editor of the Saudi daily Al Watan back in 2003. (I broke the news of his removal for Reuters. I’d worked alongside Khashoggi at the Saudi daily Arab News during the preceding years.) He was dismissed because he allowed a columnist to criticise an Islamist thinker considered to be the founding father of Wahhabism. Thus, overnight, Khashoggi became known as a liberal progressive.

The Muslim Brotherhood, though, has always been at odds with the Wahhabi movement. Khashoggi and his fellow travellers believe in imposing Islamic rule by engaging in the democratic process. The Wahhabis loathe democracy as a western invention. Instead, they choose to live life as it supposedly existed during the time of the Muslim prophet. In the final analysis, though, they are different means to achieving the same goal: Islamist theocracy. This matters because, although bin Salman has rejected Wahhabism — to the delight of the West — he continues to view the Muslim Brotherhood as the main threat most likely to derail his vision for a new Saudi Arabia. Most of the Islamic clerics in Saudi Arabia who have been imprisoned over the past two years — Khashoggi’s friends — have historic ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Khashoggi had therefore emerged as a de facto leader of the Saudi branch. Due to his profile and influence, he was the biggest political threat to bin Salman’s rule outside of the royal family.

Worse, from the royals’ point of view, was that Khashoggi had dirt on Saudi links to al Qaeda before the 9/11 attacks. He had befriended Osama bin Laden in the 1980s and 1990s in Afghanistan and Sudan while championing his jihad against the Soviets in dispatches. At that same time, he was employed by the Saudi intelligence services to try to persuade bin Laden to make peace with the Saudi royal family. The result? Khashoggi was the only non-royal Saudi who had the beef on the royals’ intimate dealing with al Qaeda in the lead-up to the 9/11 attacks. That would have been crucial if he had escalated his campaign to undermine the crown prince.

Like the Saudi royals, Khashoggi dissociated himself from bin Laden after 9/11 (which Khashoggi and I watched unfold together in the Arab News office in Jeddah). But he then teamed up as an adviser to the Saudi ambassador to London and then Washington, Prince Turki Al Faisal. The latter had been Saudi intelligence chief from 1977 until just ten days before the 9/11 attacks, when he inexplicably resigned. Once again, by working alongside Prince Turki during the latter’s ambassadorial stints, as he had while reporting on bin Laden, Khashoggi mixed with British, US and Saudi intelligence officials. In short, he was uniquely able to acquire invaluable inside information.

The Saudis, too, may have worried that Khashoggi had become a US asset. In Washington in 2005, a senior Pentagon official told me of a ridiculous plan they had to take ‘the Saudi out of Arabia’ (as was the rage post-9/11). It involved establishing a council of selected Saudi figures in Mecca to govern the country under US auspices after the US took control of the oil. He named three Saudis the Pentagon team were in regular contact with regarding the project. One of them was Khashoggi. A fantasy, certainly, but it shows how highly he was regarded by those imagining a different Saudi Arabia.

Perhaps it was for this and other reasons — and working according to the dictum of keeping your enemies closer — that a few weeks ago, according to a friend of Khashoggi, bin Salman had made a traditional tribal offer of reconciliation — offering him a place as an adviser if he returned to the kingdom. Khashoggi had declined because of ‘moral and religious’ principles. And that may have been the fatal snub, not least because Khashoggi had earlier this year established a new political party in the US called Democracy for the Arab World Now, which would support Islamist gains in democratic elections throughout the region. Bin Salman’s nightmare of a Khashoggi-led Islamist political opposition was about to become a reality.

The West has been fawning over bin Salman. But how now to overlook what seems to be a brazen Mafia-style murder? ‘I don’t like hearing about it,’ Donald Trump said. ‘Nobody knows anything about it, but there’s some pretty bad stories going around. I do not like it.’ Well, there are plenty more stories where that came from, stories about a ruthless prince whose opponents have a habit of disappearing. The fate of Khashoggi is the latest sign of what’s really happening inside Saudi Arabia. For how much longer will our leaders look the other way?

This article was originally published in The Spectator magazine.





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Telling the truth about Jamal Khashoggi is not a smear campaign

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19 October 2018
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Saudi trolls have been active in casting aspersions on Khashoggi, no doubt. But does that mean Khashoggi was nothing but a cuddly liberal? Clearly not


The Washington Post is upset. That’s understandable: one of its contributors seems to have been tortured and killed. Many of the senior staff were close to Jamal Khashoggi, and are perhaps grieving.

But the trouble with journalists being upset is that they tend to turn themselves or their grief into the story. This exacerbates an already massive problem in Washington, where journalism is elevated into such a high civic duty it becomes almost religion. Well-known journalists here start to behave like bishops, incanting the accepted pieties and occasionally acting like a mafia to ensure nobody hurts the free speech church by speaking freely.

That’s exactly what is happening with the Khashoggi story. Yesterday the newspaper published a horrendously skewed news report about a right-wing ‘whisper campaign’ against Jamal Khashoggi. It said that a ‘cadre of conservative House Republicans allied with Trump has been privately exchanging articles from right-wing outlets that fuel suspicion of Khashoggi, highlighting his association with the Muslim Brotherhood in his youth and raising conspiratorial questions about his work decades ago as an embedded reporter covering Osama bin Laden.’ This has been done, apparently, to protect President Trump ‘as he works to preserve the US-Saudi relationship and avoid confronting the Saudis on human rights.’

Now, no doubt certain politicians and political hacks would use information to smear Khashoggi in order to help the Presidency. It’s also true that just the words ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ can make certain conservatives become irrational. But Khashoggi was a complicated figure and his death (or disappearance if you must) is a now a hugely important international story. His biography is not irrelevant. In fact, it seems crucial to understanding what has happened to him.

I believe that The Spectator was the first publication to ask serious questions about who Khashoggi was and what he was up to. Our cover piece last week was by John R. Bradley, who also knew Khashoggi but managed to look past that. It is excellent. If you haven’t read it, I would. We didn’t publish it to defend Donald Trump or some sinister right-wing agenda. We published it because it is fascinating.

Khashoggi, Bradley shows, was not a journalist so much as a dissident operator with lots of intriguing connections. His association with al-Qaeda pre-9/11 is interesting. His near life-long role in the Muslim Brotherhood is also interesting. His links to American intelligence are very interesting.

The Post disagrees. It cites ‘experts on the Middle East who have tracked his career’ to say that ‘while Khashoggi had once been ‘sympathetic to Islamist movements, he moved toward a more liberal, secular point of view.’ This is at best Jesuitical; at worst disingenuous. Khashoggi was a political Islamist to the end. He did not believe in secularism. He wanted an alliance of Islamic democratic states. There’s nothing wrong with that, necessarily. But it is relevant and worth saying, as it helps explain the dynamic by which he found himself on the wrong of the Saudi regime.

The reporters, in a move that won’t have harmed their careers, included a quote from Fred Hiatt, the Post’s editorial page director, who ‘sharply criticised the false and distorted claims about Khashoggi.’ (If that doesn’t read like propaganda I don’t know what does).

‘As anyone knows who knew Jamal — or read his columns — he was dedicated to the values of free speech and open debate. He went into exile to promote those values, and now he may even have lost his life for his dogged determination in their defense,’ Hiatt said in a statement. ‘It may not be surprising that some Saudi-inspired trolls are now trying to distract us from the crime by smearing Jamal. It may not even be surprising to see a few Americans joining in. But in both cases it is reprehensible.’

Saudi trolls have been active in casting aspersions on Khashoggi, no doubt. But does that mean Khashoggi was nothing but a cuddly liberal? Clearly not.

Sometimes, at newspapers or magazines, reporters are taken — or take themselves — off stories because they are too close to the story. They can’t see it objectively. At the Washington Post, when it comes to Jamal Khashoggi, the whole paper is too close to the story. It shows.

But there is a more significant irony here. Free speech demands that people be allowed to ask difficult questions, even of the lately dead. By telling their readers that those who circulate truths about Khashoggi’s past are smearing him, the media is betraying free speech in America while vigorously claiming to promote free speech in the Arab world. Yet most polite opinion accepts their view, and now Twitter is banning accounts that ‘smear’ Khashoggi. It stinks, actually.

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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:40 pm

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"Specialists" [Saudi govt trolls] heard directors speak often of Qahtani, who had gained influence since MBS consolidated power. Qahtani [fired yesterday over Khashoggi's murder] was labeled by activists & writers as the “troll master” and “Saudi Arabia’s Steve Bannon.”


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Re: Khashoggi Disappearance

Postby liminalOyster » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:50 pm

In Secret Final Interview, Jamal Khashoggi Says Only Bernie Sanders Was Willing To Stand Up To Saudi Arabia
He had also criticized the Saudi Arabian crown prince Mohammad Bin Salman of not being open to religious reforms.

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Jamal Khashoggi, the Washington Post columnist who was brutally killed in the Saudi Arabian consulate in Turkey, gave a secret last and wide-ranging interview to Newsweek’s Rula Jebreal. The transcript of the interview was unpublished up until yesterday when Newsweek reported about Khashoggi’s thinking on the reforms carried out by Saudi Arabian crown prince Mohammad Bin Salman, as well as on Khashoggi’s belief that the only important American political leader who was calling to put more pressure on Saudi Arabia was Bernie Sanders.

Khashoggi disappeared on October 2 when he went to collect some paperwork in the Saudi embassy in Istanbul. Soon, reports quoting Turkish investigators suggested that the Saudi Arabian administration had sent agents to brutalize and kill Khashoggi. The New York Times, citing an audio recording of the incident, reported that Khashoggi had been dismembered at the consulate, with one of Saudi Arabia’s most-known forensic experts leading the task to get rid of the body.

Khashoggi’s murder sent shockwaves in the international community, with leaders all over the world calling Mohammad Bin Salman to launch an investigation into the killing, even as Donald Trump continued to hail the prince for what the American president said were “credible” responses to the incident.

Trump said that the killing of a journalist is not enough reason to cut off ties with America’s most important ally in the Middle East, which is also a big buyer of American arms. Bernie Sanders, who lost to Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Democratic race, however, called on the U.S. to re-evaluate its ties with the Wahabbi Islamic nation.

“I have long been troubled by the nature of the relationship between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia,” Sanders said in a video posted on Twitter.

“And in light of the likely Saudi murder of critic Jamal Khashoggi, I think it is time for us to thoroughly re-evaluate that relationship. Saudi Arabia is, and has always been, a despotic dictatorship in which dissent is not tolerated, in which women are considered third-class citizens and which has spent the last several decades exporting an extreme form of Islam, Wahhabism, around the world.”

And now Khashoggi’s last interview published in Newsweek shows that the journalist desired for more American leaders to become tougher with Saudi Arabia and that he, in fact, admired Sanders for standing up to the Middle Eastern country.

“First of all, there is no political movement in Saudi Arabia that could pressure him, number one,” Khashoggi said about the possibility of combining the extreme view of Islam that Saudi Arabia espouses with its king’s newfound intent to liberalize society.

“And the world is happy with him. Do you see anybody in America except for Bernie Sanders who is calling for putting pressure on MBS? I only saw Bernie Sanders, but no one else.”

Khashoggi had also spoken about the impossibility of overthrowing the Saudi Arabian government, having watched the royal court in action for a long time. Instead, he told the interviewer that Mohammad Bin Salman must bring in judicial reforms to Saudi Arabia, something Wahabbi Islam prohibits.

“Why does MBS not see that part of reform?” Khashoggi said. “Because it will limit his authoritarian rule, and he doesn’t want that. He doesn’t see the need for that. So sometimes I feel that…he wants to enjoy the fruits of First World modernity and Silicon Valley and cinemas and everything, but at the same time he wants also to rule like how his grandfather ruled Saudi Arabia.”

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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:07 pm

Alright, Khasshoggi wins me over posthumously.

There are several more in the House, of course, notably Tulsi Gabbard.

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