2018 Election Thread - Come attack me!

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2018 Election Thread - Come attack me!

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:09 pm

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Trump isn't Hitler, but he plays him on TV. The last few weeks the performance has been getting more realistic and his incitements to violence have increasingly resulted in real violence. Today he argued that the U.S. military should fire on unarmed refugee peasants and their children, if they should reach the U.S. border and a rock is thrown. This is not a joke. So yes, damn it, I want YOU to fight the threat of fascism every day. As a small part of that, it won't kill you to spend 20 minutes or a couple of hours voting on Tuesday, in whatever way is likeliest to help flip the House and the Republican states in play. That's not enough to change the world for the better, but it's a tactical necessity to allow the struggle to continue.

In my observation the GOP has never been this extreme-right, this cozy with fascism, or held this much unconditional power. They have also never been this desperate. Their increased extremism is being propelled by the inevitable demographic decline of their traditional "white" and Christian base. This is why they want to finish off any hope of democracy and find new ways to deny the vote by race and class. This election presents the best opportunity for them to do that. Redistricting happens in 2021, after the 2020 census, so the state elections now are the last major chance of affecting the gerrymandering through 2032. Thirty-six states are in play, including 9 of the 10 biggest, and a whole bunch of these are Republican and flippable: Florida, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Ohio and Maine are all likely flips, while many others are conceivable including the crucial election in Georgia -- under a cloud of voter suppression -- as well as even Kansas and Alaska.

If the GOP wins, the voter suppression will have been rewarded and it will be escalated. It will become near-irreversible. And woe if the atrocities of the first two Trump years appear to receive an endorsement. There will be a triple-down, no limits. Just to stick with the latest -- every week of course has brought new outrages -- when he says he wants to end birthright citizenship, the right reaction is not to be smug and say it's unconstitutional. He's telling you he wants to fuck your constitution and be your dictator, and that is exactly what he will continue trying in every way he can.

I believe honest endorsements work better with the sort of people who read my stuff. Like this, from Allan Nairn yesterday: "You have to, at this moment, vote in the warmongers who will preserve democracy to block the warmongers who would abolish it..." Nairn also points out that there are more than a few decent people among the Democratic candidates: "And there are many good Democratic candidates in this election, people who, in one way or another, will represent a breakthrough for social justice, who all have essentially pledged to support Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, Medicaid, when the Republicans would abolish it." And if you vote in the DWS district you can vote for the independent leftist Tim Canova, who is actually the favorite to win.

Some of you [not on RI!] can't stand dissonance on this matter, and need a clear dichotomy in which you aren't supporting an evil just because it's the lesser evil. If you need to hear some bullshit about how Obama and the Clintons are unfairly maligned great progressives, you should have stopped reading above. You can find what you need to keep yourself motivated elsewhere. Some of you don't vote, on principle rather than because of ignorance. It's okay, you are falsely and rather outrageously blamed by the pro-voting fanatics and naive believers that we actually live in some kind of just system of democracy. They should leave you alone and focus instead on motivating the far larger majority of non-voters, and get out and protest all the ways in which the vote is suppressed by the GOP. For a start.

But for the growing minority of existential realists, once again you have a sad choice in this very messed-up system in which the win almost always must necessarily go to one of the two crooked, Wall Street-owned, imperialist, neoliberal, militarist parties. You should vote for the one that has NOT pledged itself to open racism, misogyny, theocracy, and the termination of democracy and your rights to protest or even to vote, and that IS susceptible to a progressive-socialist grassroots transformation going forward. You should vote for the one that is NOT inciting retail fascists to grab a gun and murder you. I get that successful Republican atrocities are rarely reversed under Democrats, that the war crimes of the Bush regime were not even investigated but continued by the successor, that the Clintons and Obamas dance with the Bushes, and that most bad things in the system continue identically under either party. But full fascism in the United States has to be avoided, if political revolution is going to have a chance. However minimal the difference between the two parties in many areas, it is still going to mean immediate escalation of suffering for millions of people if limits cannot be imposed on GOP power now.

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Allan Nairn: The U.S. Is Facing Incipient Domestic Fascism, But Rightist Revolution Can Be Stopped

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/11/1/ ... _is_facing

ALLAN NAIRN: Well, all sorts of things—voter suppression, gerrymandering—the tactics that the Republican rightist revolution is using to maintain its hold in power, even though they can’t win a straight-up vote.

Secondly, there is the element that Trump personally has brought to power. When he dragged the Koch brothers and the Paul Ryans and the American oligarchs to power, he did it with a two-pronged platform. One was punching the elites in the nose, as the banker Jamie Dimon put it. The other was racism. Without the element of punching the elites in the nose, the Republicans could never have won the election. Romney tried running on the elitist platform of giving tax breaks to the rich, getting rid of Social Security, Medicare. He lost. They can’t win with that. But Trump presented himself as someone who, A, will support social justice and who, B, had the capacity to unleash the beast within white America.

And so he dragged the American rich into power. They came with a preprogrammed plan to make an even more massive shift of government resources and taxpayers’ money to the richest people in the country. You know, there are just three individuals now whose wealth is equal to that of the bottom 50 percent of the American population. I mean, it’s already insane, but the Republican core value is to make it worse. And, secondly, he did it by unleashing these fascistic forces in the American population, in the American grassroots.

And there are many good Democratic candidates in this election, people who, in one way or another, will represent a breakthrough for social justice, who all have essentially pledged to support Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, Medicaid, when the Republicans would abolish it. But also, many of these, or a substantial number of these, Democrats are arguably war criminals—not as big as the war criminals on the Republican side, but still war criminals. And they belong in prison.

But we are facing such a crisis in this country at this moment that you have to use your head. You have to be tactical. You have to, at this moment, vote in the warmongers who will preserve democracy to block the warmongers who would abolish it—and then, the day after the election, go back to the deeper work of creating real, better, more constructive political alternatives and also helping the base of the Democratic Party take back the party from the consultants, from the rich donors. But that’s for the day after the election is completed, and maybe the runoffs in Georgia and Mississippi, if they happen, after those are completed. Right now, the task is to stop the incipient fascism that Trump and the rightist revolution represents. And you can’t really say that you were working toward an anti-fascist goal if you’re not mobilizing for the Democrats right now. That’s the urgent reality that we’re living.
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Re: 2018 Election Thread - Come attack me!

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:12 pm

thanks for the post...here's the vid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LdDv6N25AI
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Postby thrulookingglass » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:35 pm

Good work Jack. Inspiring. I'm sorry, I don't see any true change for a peaceful, non-elitist society so long as market economies exists, but you have my word that I will vote in the upcoming elections. Democrats are FAR too conservative for me. I tend to vote for extreme leftist candidates such as green party nominees, but I hear you.
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:13 pm

thrulookingglass » Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:35 pm wrote:Good work Jack. Inspiring. I'm sorry, I don't see any true change for a peaceful, non-elitist society so long as market economies exists, but you have my word that I will vote in the upcoming elections. Democrats are FAR too conservative for me. I tend to vote for extreme leftist candidates such as green party nominees, but I hear you.
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Well, that's the thing. Only a movement to change the system can possibly work, and voting in the absence of other action is pretty close to useless. Politicians and situations and economies are only going to respond to relentless movements, at best; otherwise everything is determined by status quo momentum or by money.

But I can't stand the debates for every election. The insistence that there is zero difference, when evidently there is -- and I realize it's kind of a brutal triage where you advocate for saving a hundred thousand in one place, when millions are being sacrificed elsewhere either way. But also the moralism in both directions, about voting as complicity in the system, or non-voting as endorsement of the GOP policy. Neither is true. The insane amount of attention devoted to disparaging a 1% Green vote as opposed to 40%-65% of non-voters. Only a big popular political fight is going to change things. If anything changes. If the conditions in which it is fought can be adjusted through voting, go ahead and vote the lesser evil and don't agonize about it.

Also, the GOP (sorry to harp on them, but they are the greater evil, and more so than ever) constantly makes it clear how important voting is to THEM. They work 24/7 to suppress the vote and otherwise manipulate it. They do everything to please their base, at least emotionally, unlike the Democrats they never scold their base, even if they alwasy deceive.

What do they know that the anti-voter does not? Everything is skewed toward keeping them alive, actually. The Democrats have to keep taking a dive rather than allow progressive movement. The corporate media has to keep finding "middle ground" between fact (or half-fact) and nothing but lie (and then apologize for being "liberal," which they are not). The voter suppression is escalated, the elections are fixed. Or they would have gone terminal by now.

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Postby Cordelia » Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:00 am

I sent in my ballot earlier this week-I had stopped voting for years but began again in 2016 and esp. this year. The stakes are ratcheting up too high not to vote.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:54 pm

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Understandable, the importance attributed to this looming election cycle (and surely the next one as well... and then the one after that... and then again. They'll all be perceived by a certain demographic as the most important in their -- fleeting -- lifetimes).

So, in the event the party presenting themselves as the 'Democrats' wins the majority over the 'Republican' party: arguably, there'll be short-term adjustments at the local/national level. Some of it will be tangible, but otherwise largely optical rather than substantive.

And for how long? The opposing/'losing' party will surely be galvanized, inspired to win back whatever they lost, and the cycle repeats itself, as it has, and will continue to do so, as long as the current 'system' remains intact.

All of this is largely optics, of course. True change will never happen within the current paradigm so long as greed and thirst for power remain as persistent drivers for a portion of the human race.

But, zooming back in from the macro-meta rant above: yes, let's all go out there and vote, and have our voices heard! With any luck, the outward theatrics/optics will better match the sensibilities a segment of us prefer. Until such time it's temporarily batted down again by the populist rhetoric. Rinse and repeat.

(One other side-note: given recent trends at the national and global level, however, it seems clear the human collective is leaning towards another variant of overt fascist expression. These expressions are cyclical -- and one can argue necessary, almost like a colonic -- and must be fully purged by the collective mindset before it can return to the mean. There's no stopping that train until it reaches its stop. Indeed, efforts to stifle this expression only hastens, or intensifies, its approach.)
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:07 pm

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Actually, every GOP national victory has been an unmitigated disaster, and each one has been progressively worse. This is the election that promises explicitly to make the most dramatic turn to open fascism yet. There's just no comparison between status quo and what the GOP government is promising as its next moves.

On the one hand, a real if unlikely seeming opening toward leftward transformation (any chance should be taken seriously) now and in 2020; while the GOP promises a cementing of voter exclusion systems, extreme gerrymandering through 2032, and probably restrictive changes on citizenship itself. While each loss encourages a new effort to come back, the GOP has been put on artificial support and cheats for decades, or it would have been definitively a minority party long ago. Why do they WANT low voter turnout?! Figure it out. Two times the loser wins the presidency and engages in absolutely radical change both times. No limits. Democratic presidents only consolidate and legitimate these atrocities after the fact, their base having been disciplined to eat shit by the period of unprecedented explicit evil under the Bushes and Trumps. It really sucks. You want a change, of course it means the Democrats must also be supplanted, but that will only come through the collapse of the GOP first. Their extremism in power serves to reconstruct a compromising status-quo capitalist-bootlicking party as their opposition.

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Postby liminalOyster » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:20 pm

Chris Hedges nailed something about voting in 2016 when he said he'd spent all of five minutes on the presidential election that year to cast his vote. Obviously voting is a racket in 2018 from which to abstain spiritually. But not practically. Voting would be fucking ridiculous if you believed it was the big driver in shaping human societies. But of course its not. Indeed, it's like taking a moment to stop and give change when you've got a bunch of quarters jangling in your pocket and you're passing someone on the street for whom that change could really fucking matter that day. Like there's a gale force wind and enogh pocket money to get a coffee and get out of the storm could make or break their mental well being for the next 24 hours. Maybe it's a shit metaphor. I don't know. But, at very least, there are a tremendous number of sane good people who do believe in voting and think its the best way to stop fascism. At worst, you're giving them a vote. Just ask yourself - who will harm or end less lives? That's your man/woman. Takes a few minutes and you're done.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:42 pm

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Strong/astute points by both of you. And to be clear, I agree in spirit with much of the sentiment -- I continue to vote, regardless of my underlying cynicism. I also agree that, in some respects, there are necessary shifts in sentiment that each party represents (for the Democrats, it's largely around a woman's right to decide, equality across race and gender, etc), which are certainly worth voting/advocating for.

The part where the line blurs, however, is in total lives saved/lost. Over the course of a given presidency, my hunch is that both parties are equally guilty of losing a similar amount of lives needlessly -- and largely via overseas activity, in pursuit of power expansion/greed. One party does it more covertly (drones, mostly) than the other.

I'd be interested in seeing some unbiased comparison/tally of lives lost due to US govt activity, and the variance between presidents.
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Postby Karmamatterz » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:54 pm

Two years ago my mom convinced me to vote for Hillary. I was no fan of HC but I did it anyway. Who knows how things would be different. HC was too cozy with banks and Wall St. for my own tastes. Yesterday my mom died so come Tuesday I'll be inspired to take a softer stance with less ideology and more about how the voting outcome can maybe help others in practical ways.
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Postby liminalOyster » Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:26 pm

Belligerent Savant » Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:42 pm wrote:.

Strong/astute points by both of you. And to be clear, I agree in spirit with much of the sentiment -- I continue to vote, regardless of my underlying cynicism. I also agree that, in some respects, there are necessary shifts in sentiment that each party represents (for the Democrats, it's largely around a woman's right to decide, equality across race and gender, etc), which are certainly worth voting/advocating for.

The part where the line blurs, however, is in total lives saved/lost. Over the course of a given presidency, my hunch is that both parties are equally guilty of losing a similar amount of lives needlessly -- and largely via overseas activity, in pursuit of power expansion/greed. One party does it more covertly (drones, mostly) than the other.

I'd be interested in seeing some unbiased comparison/tally of lives lost due to US govt activity, and the variance between presidents.
(Perhaps for another thread..)


But that's why its such an insignificant act. It's five minutes of calculation with little to no expectation of a big difference. And in that five minutes, it seems eminently clear that the Dems are more likely to not raze the EPA and more likely to not toss around dangerous rhetoric about firing on unarmed migrants etc. I wouldn't be caught dead being counted among their loyalty. And yes voting is 100% ill-equipped and impotent to dis-effect the war machine. That's been the new definitive reality since spring 2003. It's evil and insidious and unconscionable. But it does not mean that voting is meaningless. I dunno. I almost can't believe my own words here, having been a passionate advocate for total disinvestment from most political process for a long time. But whatever - kiss me, I voted.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:54 pm

^^^^^^

Largely in accord.


As a registered independent (since the age of 18) I can't vote this Tuesday, in any event, due to the 'closed state' scam.

Things would be far more interesting if there were no 'closed' states.
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Postby Cordelia » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:14 pm

Karmamatterz » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:54 pm wrote:Two years ago my mom convinced me to vote for Hillary. I was no fan of HC but I did it anyway. Who knows how things would be different. HC was too cozy with banks and Wall St. for my own tastes. Yesterday my mom died so come Tuesday I'll be inspired to take a softer stance with less ideology and more about how the voting outcome can maybe help others in practical ways.


I'm sorry about your loss Karmamatterz.. I remember you wrote here recently about your mom's request to you during the 2016 election, and being touched.

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Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:27 pm

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Cordelia » Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:14 pm wrote:
Karmamatterz » Sat Nov 03, 2018 4:54 pm wrote:Two years ago my mom convinced me to vote for Hillary. I was no fan of HC but I did it anyway. Who knows how things would be different. HC was too cozy with banks and Wall St. for my own tastes. Yesterday my mom died so come Tuesday I'll be inspired to take a softer stance with less ideology and more about how the voting outcome can maybe help others in practical ways.


I'm sorry about your loss Karmamatterz.. I remember you wrote here recently about your mom's request to you during the 2016 election, and being touched.

:hug1:


Likewise - condolences. I lost my father 3 years ago and it remains difficult to believe it's been that long since I last spoke to him.
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