Okay, I'll bite.
Wombaticus Rex » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:27 am wrote:It's impressive that 4 Chan and PewDiePie and the Trump Administration can radicalize a young man so much he learns how to organize coordinated light infantry strikes in a foreign country -- complete with IED belts!
I'm not impressed. It's not exactly pedestrian for someone (or someone and his friends) to commit mass violence like this, but hardly a new thing. Motivation + money (or a bit of spook background) can accomplish the details you seem to suggest require a state backing. Apparently he had the money, whether through luck or spook connections. Regarding motivation, not that I am inside his head (or those of his co-shooters or accomplices), any more than you are. Also, 4C, PDP and TA would not be the radicalizers so much as part-time attractors of the already radicalized. I think you understand the difference.
The "radicalization" process usually would be an upbringing in, or a personal conversion to, the same kind of racism, violence, and settler-supremacy ideology that produced massacres and genocides of the Herero by the Kaiser's men, Algerians by French settlers (often acting autonomously and from their own fervor rather than state orders), the Amritsar massacre ordered by an English officer who just thought something like, "fuck your optics, I'm going in," the Colfax massacre of 150 already captured black militia men and just random black people in 1873, or all the ethno-religious cleansing and clashes all over the world. The Internet angle can be seriously exaggerated. (In Rwanda, it was supposed to be radio; ditto the German pogrom of 1938, but what about the pogroms to kick off the Crusades back in 1096?) It's still the old story of self-appointed heroes massacring their chosen hate-objects.
Or, in a few strategically placed cases, it might be some kind of false-flag psyop. In this case, it's hardly anything like the default hypothesis your smarm seems to suggest is justified. Far from it. Racist violent self-indoctrinated and highly capable monster (or monster and friends) with guns seems so self-evident, until genuine contrary evidence is produced. (General "timing" or references to Internet stars don't count here. Especially not timing, since what do you think this is supposed to accomplish? Does it justify an already-planned invasion of some country? A repeal of the Second Amendment? Sharia law? Unwarranted sympathy for Muslims?)
Perhaps I am prejudiced against racist violent self-indoctrinated monsters. I always think they're not the largest group, not at all, but enough in surplus that this, sadly, comes as no surprise to me. But I could be wrong.
Have to agree with Jerky's comments. Why do you put me in that position?
It's just inspiring what enterprising people can accomplish in the total absence any assistance from state actors or military connections.
No one's said there weren't any, yet. A military background or connections to military definitely would not surprise. It's often there. And it's usually the brutal culture of militarism that contributes to producing such men, more than hidden orders or plots.
I guess it's also a testament to the power of American popular culture that an Australian man in New Zealand would write a manifesto that's ... mostly about the United States.
US is still the biggest center of, um, what should I call it? "World culture," such as it is? The white power/fascist movements perceive themselves as an international, and the centers of gravity are currently Euro and American. Here I can believe the Internet had a big influence on this asshole. There are some not-insignifcant number of (mostly harmless and not fascist) people who follow US politics better than their own country's. You have to admit US politics is a really big show right now and pushed, pushed, pushed. Like the even larger demographics who watch Hollywood product rather than homegrown.
I suppose we'll never be able to appreciate how disturbed young Brenton Tarrant was, that he would write a first-person manifesto for a team attack. This is just the sort of things video games do, and it's tragic to witness.
Has any supposed-to-be definitive version of the story been told yet? Also, if it's a team attack, then the extra arrests make some kind of sense, yeh? But right now it's all in we-don't-know land, isn't it?
Anyways, I just wanted to get in on the ground before anyone besmirched the reputation of Rigorous Intuition by suggesting that atrocities like this could have connections to covert operations.
They well could. Obviously. Either from veterans thereof (and his profile suggests at least that much, as did the Las Vegas guy's) -- or as part of a plot, as you are suggesting (less likely in my opinion but who knows at this point). Either way it's racist violent self-indoctrinated turtles all the way down, isn't it now?
Now, a serious question? If you're entertaining your implied ideas and posting about them here, have you looked into whatever deep state or parapolitical scene New Zealand actually has? Who are the players, the agencies, the mobs, foreign and domestic, over there? I have no idea. It seems lazy to just find some snip of a story about maybe Mossad guys were present in a country 9 years ago when an earthquake killed one of them. I mean, I don't know you to be that lazy, that just citing this suggests some kind of permanent presence thereof that eventually could connect to the mosque massacre horror.
Also, wouldn't the false-flagging version be a massacre of random white people, and the patsies from a mosque? Sorry, I'm again being prejudiced against racist violent self-indoctrinated monsters capable of doing shit like this and being all MAGA when they do, whom I believe exist; and while I estimate that they're no majority, or even that big of a group, there are more than enough of them and they currently feel enough motivation to make such horrors fairly regular.
If you're going to go all in on this at some point, I do hope you go with MK indoctrination and real dead people, and not "crisis actors." I respect your chops.
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