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Is the Melting of the Arctic a "Current Event"...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:06 pm
by NeonLX
...or is it OK here in General Discussion?

I am a cold weather person. I walk around in shorts when it's below freezing outside. Back in 2005, I hiked around Barrow, Alaska in jeans and a T-shirt during a snow squall. I've dreamed of moving to an Arctic locale for decades.

Anyhoo...the Arctic is melting very quickly. This is going to be a record breaking year.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/07/30/we-are-climate-emergency-warn-experts-and-aoc-greenland-ice-sheet-faces-possible

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/3-things-to-watch-as-summer-heat-bakes-the-arctic/

Et cetera.

My worst nightmare is living in a flooded tropical environment where I'm waste deep in sewage-infused water, it's 95 degrees out, and there are skeeters carrying dengue fever all around. Looks like I won't even be able to escape to the Arctic even if I could afford to do it.

Re: Is the Melting of the Arctic a "Current Event"...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:13 pm
by seemslikeadream
so good to see you Neon :hug1:

my very best and oldest friend live in Barrow he built washarammas (laundromats) up there I think around the same time he is still friends with a pilot from there

I like to be warm :)

Re: Is the Melting of the Arctic a "Current Event"...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:15 pm
by 82_28
It's an ongoing event so I see no harm in it being in GD. I'm sure there are several global warming threads. But why not start it anew?

To add to this, I want to add that since I was a kid it was always referred to as "runaway greenhouse effect" from scientists. It certainly seems that way.

Re: Is the Melting of the Arctic a "Current Event"...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:20 pm
by NeonLX
82_28 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:15 pm wrote:It's an ongoing event so I see no harm in it being in GD. I'm sure there are several global warming threads. But why not start it anew?

To add to this, I want to add that since I was a kid it was always referred to as "runaway greenhouse effect" from scientists. It certainly seems that way.


The trapped methane release ought to be quite horrendous.

And then there are the monster peat fires in northern Russia: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/26/unprecedented-more-than-100-wildfires-burning-in-the-arctic-in-worst-ever-season

Re: Is the Melting of the Arctic a "Current Event"...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:20 pm
by 82_28
I will also add that is good to see you as well, NeonLX!

Re: Is the Melting of the Arctic a "Current Event"...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:22 pm
by NeonLX
seemslikeadream » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:13 pm wrote:so good to see you Neon :hug1:

my very best and oldest friend live in Barrow he built washarammas (laundromats) up there I think around the same time he is still friends with a pilot from there

I like to be warm :)


Thank ye. Good to see you as well!

Heat is my enemy. It makes me physically ill. I hibernate in summer, unlike most of the rest of society. Hahaha.

Re: Is the Melting of the Arctic a "Current Event"...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:23 pm
by NeonLX
82_28 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:20 pm wrote:I will also add that is good to see you as well, NeonLX!


Ya hey. Thanks. I just realized I haven't had the old Neon for seven years now. :(

On edit: that was the "new" Neon. I drove the first one until 2005.

Re: Is the Melting of the Arctic a "Current Event"...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:02 am
by DrEvil
NeonLX » Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:22 pm wrote:
seemslikeadream » Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:13 pm wrote:so good to see you Neon :hug1:

my very best and oldest friend live in Barrow he built washarammas (laundromats) up there I think around the same time he is still friends with a pilot from there

I like to be warm :)


Thank ye. Good to see you as well!

Heat is my enemy. It makes me physically ill. I hibernate in summer, unlike most of the rest of society. Hahaha.


I second that emotion. It's good to see you.

I'm also of the heat-hating persuasion, but unfortunately it's getting worse and worse even up here close to the arctic circle. All of April this year we had midsummer temperatures when there should be snow, and we just caught the tail end of the latest heat wave which was mild here compared to the continent, but still grueling. The glaciers around here are literally disappearing before our eyes, and further north it's even worse. Svalbard is heating twice as fast and the average temp there has gone up by something like 4C the last few decades. They're currently in the process of relocating a good chunk of Longyearbyen because the climate screwed them over.

The climate is well and truly fucked, and we've most likely gone past several tipping points already. I try to be optimistic about it, but honestly, I think we're fucked, as in, civilization will collapse fucked, and this time it won't be one empire in a limited area collapsing but the whole damn thing. We're too dependent on each other to maintain our current way of living, so when one part collapses it will cause a domino effect.

The oceans are slowly asphyxiating and rising, water resources are being strained to the breaking point and arable land is becoming useless. The worst case scenarios from a decade or two ago are now the best case scenarios. The result will be resource wars and mass migrations as people starve and drown, and the right wing fuckers currently in power in various countries will be remembered fondly as moderates in a few decades.

Just look at the effects one "little" war and migration from Syria has had on Europe, then imagine what would happen if the entire middle east was on the move. Things turn ugly real fast when people think there's a threat to their tribe, because deep down we're animals driven by instinct. All the civilized fluff we put on top is just a thin veneer that is easily scratched.

I am looking forward to the deniers being dragged through the streets and lynched though. I hope they livestream it.

Re: Is the Melting of the Arctic a "Current Event"...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:30 pm
by NeonLX
One thing rarely mentioned is the vast amount of pollution caused by the military. Most of the climate change discussion seems to focus on the impact of individuals and what sacrifices they can/should/will make in their lifestyles. I saw a recent article stating that the US military alone pollutes as much as 140 countries (I'll have to find the article again to see which countries are in that count of 140).

Re: Is the Melting of the Arctic a "Current Event"...

PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2019 4:20 pm
by DrEvil
You're probably thinking of this:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... ion-study/

Report: The U.S. Military Is Creating a Carbon Pollution Bootprint

If the military were a country, its fueling alone would create a global warming problem.
By David Grossman Jun 26, 2019

A new study from Durham and Lancaster universities in England shows the U.S. military is one of the larger climate polluters on the planet. If all U.S. military operations were looked at as a nation, the study says, its fuel emissions alone would make it the 47th largest emitter of greenhouse gases in the world.

"The U.S. military has long understood it is not immune from the potential consequences of climate change—recognizing it as a threat multiplier that can exacerbate other threats—nor has it ignored its own contribution to the problem," says coauthor Patrick Bigger of Lancaster University Environment Center in a press statement.

In fact, earlier this year the Department of Defense said that climate change is threatening over two-thirds of the military’s operationally critical installations around the world. But Bigger says these words are not being met with commensurate action.

The project of greening the military has seen starts and stops through recent years. A heavily touted initiative in 2017 to build gas-electric hybrid battleships, for example, was scuttled the next year with "department priorities” given as a reason for the cancellation. Several military bases use a range of alternative energy sources, from solar fields to wind microgrids to store energy in case of a crisis.

But more important than any individual policy is the need to rethink how the military operates as an entity around the globe, Bigger says. A report from 2015 showed the U.S. operating over 800 military bases in more than 70 countries.

"Its climate policy is fundamentally contradictory," he continues, "confronting the effects of climate change while remaining the largest single institutional consumer of hydrocarbons in the world, a situation it is locked into for years to come because of its dependence on existing aircraft and warships for open-ended operations around the globe."

The researchers examined data from the Defense Logistics Agency—Energy, also known as the DLA-E. As the main purchase-point for hydrocarbon-based fuels for American soldiers, DLA-E has 41 fuel agreements with nations around the world, which allows the American military access to services like pipeline access and fuel. The DLA-E keeps vehicles gassed from Fort Bragg in North Carolina to supply chains starting with the naval fleet based out of Japan.

Directly quoting from the study results, the researchers found that:

- In 2017 alone, the U.S. military purchased about 269,230 barrels of oil a day and emitted more than 25,000 kt-CO2e by burning those fuels [kt is measurement of greenhouse gases]. In 2017 alone, the Air Force purchased $4.9 billion worth of fuel and the Navy $2.8 billion, followed by the Army at $947 million and Marines at $36 million.

- If the U.S. military were a country, it would nestle between Peru and Portugal in the global league table of fuel purchasing, when comparing 2014 World Bank country liquid fuel consumption with 2015 U.S. military liquid fuel consumption.

- For 2014, the scale of emissions is roughly equivalent to total—not just fuel—emissions from Romania. According to the DLA-E data obtained by the researchers, which includes GHG emissions from direct or stationary sources, indirect or mobile sources and electricity use, and other indirect, including upstream and downstream emissions.

- The Air Force is by far the largest emitter of GHG at more than 13,000 kt CO2e, almost double that of the U.S. Navy's 7,800 kt CO2e. In addition to using the most polluting types of fuel, the Air Force and Navy are also the largest purchasers of fuel.


"Our research demonstrates that to account for the U.S. military as a major climate actor, you must understand the logistical supply chain that makes its acquisition and consumption of hydrocarbon-based fuels possible," says coauthor Oliver Belcher, of Durham University's Department of Geography.

"How do we account for the most far-reaching, sophisticated supply chains, and the largest climate polluter in history? While incremental changes can amount to radical effects in the long-run, there is no shortage of evidence that the climate is at a tipping point and more is needed."

The group encouraged American politicians to expand their policy ideas to include examining the military.

"This research provides ample evidence to support recent calls by activist networks to include the U.S. military in Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal and other international climate treaties," says coauthor Benjamin Neimark, Associate Director of the Pentland Center for Sustainability in Business at Lancaster University. The group also points to Elizabeth Warren's proposals to tackle military emissions.

Source: Lancaster University


Then there's also this (link to report and full list of companies at link):

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable ... ate-change

Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says

A relatively small number of fossil fuel producers and their investors could hold the key to tackling climate change
Tess Riley Mon 10 Jul 2017 06.26 BST Last modified on Wed 14 Feb 2018 16.57 GMT

Just 100 companies have been the source of more than 70% of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions since 1988, according to a new report.

The Carbon Majors Report (pdf) “pinpoints how a relatively small set of fossil fuel producers may hold the key to systemic change on carbon emissions,” says Pedro Faria, technical director at environmental non-profit CDP, which published the report in collaboration with the Climate Accountability Institute.

Traditionally, large scale greenhouse gas emissions data is collected at a national level but this report focuses on fossil fuel producers. Compiled from a database of publicly available emissions figures, it is intended as the first in a series of publications to highlight the role companies and their investors could play in tackling climate change.

The report found that more than half of global industrial emissions since 1988 – the year the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was established – can be traced to just 25 corporate and state-owned entities. The scale of historical emissions associated with these fossil fuel producers is large enough to have contributed significantly to climate change, according to the report.

ExxonMobil, Shell, BP and Chevron are identified as among the highest emitting investor-owned companies since 1988. If fossil fuels continue to be extracted at the same rate over the next 28 years as they were between 1988 and 2017, says the report, global average temperatures would be on course to rise by 4C by the end of the century. This is likely to have catastrophic consequences including substantial species extinction and global food scarcity risks.

While companies have a huge role to play in driving climate change, says Faria, the barrier is the “absolute tension” between short-term profitability and the urgent need to reduce emissions.

A Carbon Tracker study in 2015 found that fossil fuel companies risked wasting more than $2tn over the coming decade by pursuing coal, oil and gas projects that could be worthless in the face of international action on climate change and advances in renewables – in turn posing substantial threats to investor returns.

CDP says its aims with the carbon majors project are both to improve transparency among fossil fuel producers and to help investors understand the emissions associated with their fossil fuel holdings.

A fifth of global industrial greenhouse gas emissions are backed by public investment, according to the report. “That puts a significant responsibility on those investors to engage with carbon majors and urge them to disclose climate risk,” says Faria.

Investors should move out of fossil fuels, says Michael Brune, executive director of US environmental organisation the Sierra Club. “Not only is it morally risky, it’s economically risky. The world is moving away from fossil fuels towards clean energy and is doing so at an accelerated pace. Those left holding investments in fossil fuel companies will find their investments becoming more and more risky over time.”

There is a “growing wave of companies that are acting in the opposite manner to the companies in this report,” says Brune. Nearly 100 companies including Apple, Facebook, Google and Ikea have committed to 100% renewable power under the RE100 initiative. Volvo recently announced that all its cars would be electric or hybrid from 2019.

And oil and gas companies are also embarking on green investments. Shell set up a renewables arm in 2015 with a $1.7bn investment attached and a spokesperson for Chevron says it’s “committed to managing its [greenhouse gas] emissions” and is investing in two of the world’s largest carbon dioxide injection projects to capture and store carbon. A BP spokesperson says its “determined to be part of the solution” for climate change and is “investing in renewables and low-carbon innovation.” And ExxonMobil, which has faced heavy criticism for its environmental record, has been exploring carbon capture and storage.

But for many the sums involved and pace of change are nowhere near enough. A research paper published last year by Paul Stevens, an academic at think tank Chatham House, said international oil companies were no longer fit for purpose and warned these multinationals that they faced a “nasty, brutish and short” end within the next 10 years if they did not completely change their business models.

Investors now have a choice, according to Charlie Kronick, senior programme advisor at Greenpeace UK. “The future of the oil industry has already been written: the choice is will its decline be managed, returning capital to shareholders to be reinvested in the genuine industries of the future, or will they hold on, hoping not be the last one standing when the music stops?”