We Are All Trolls

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We Are All Trolls

Postby American Dream » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:00 pm

The Twittering Machine IV: We Are All Trolls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FueVYrT ... e=youtu.be

Trolls are the anti-celebrities. They are propagandists of human failure. They remind us that there is always a point of view from which our lives don't matter, and our pain is hilarious. And yet, trolling is ordinary. Everyone does it. Even the stylised, sociopathic subculture of trolling has generalised on the social industry. And, in its ironic iteration of social sadism, it has fused with new alt-right cultures. So what happens when a troll appears in meatspace?
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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:22 pm

No, we are not all trolls. That is a deliberate. knowing, and gratuitous insult to every honest poster on this Discussion Board. So speak for yourself, you devious dishonest smirkmeister, and do it in your own worthless words if you can manage any. Stop trolling this board.

Just unbelievable. Yet another of your contemptible timewasting flamebaiting shitposts (and you hope,endlessly bumpable threads).

jfc, you are transparent.
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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby coffin_dodger » Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:58 pm

you are transparent


But that's a good thing, surely? AD has consistently signalled - almost verbatim - what the corporatist system plans to do next and how - why stifle this valuable source of future intent?
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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby Laodicean » Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:23 pm

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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby American Dream » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:10 pm

The Twittering Machine II: We Are All Addicts


We may not think we're addicted, but the social industry treats us as if we are. Guilty ex-social media bosses testify that they deliberately set up an addictive machine. But what is addiction? Is it really all dopamine boosts and pleasure? What about the palpable unpleasure, the dark side? What if the tempestuous nastiness of social media is as addictive as the supposed rewards?
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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:27 pm

Ah, the genius of floating signifiers. Trolls, sinners, animals, fools, lovers, eaters, sleepers, thinkers, breathers, loudmouths, the traumatized, citizens and consumers, all too human, victims of the Spectacle. Hard workers. We all are!
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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby 82_28 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:09 pm

You guys sure are a handful. I have been here, let's see, yes, since 2007 and I have never seen anything like this and I have to handle it (big mistake maybe). I know some are taken to loquacious ways in order to soothe their senses of intermittent dominance given the time but I still maintain that everyone is still and all good and I want to sustain this for everyone. If that is too difficult, I really don't see how one goes downtown, outta town, the supermarket in their skin suits on a daily basis. Trolls are anonymous because they cannot see the other in real time and in the flesh. I once "trolled" someone back in the 90s from Focus on the Family about some evolution anti-science education issue which really pissed me off and still does but in the end I apologized because I knew I had him and he had nowhere to go. And so I let it go in deference to the other never to troll again. This could be why some have a problem with my approach here. This is not a feeding frenzy and I suggest that anyone realize they are going to read, see, hear something they are going to be in disagreement with. Remember, all I do is click virtual buttons in this teensy tiny sliver of what exists.

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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:21 am

except me and my monkey
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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby American Dream » Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:46 pm

The Twittering Machine I: We Are All Connected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQgu-afBSUY

Richard Seymour

We are all connected, but what are we connected to? The world's first ever mass, open-air, collective writing experiment. A digital laboratory. An addiction machine. A microcelebrity farm tilled by our free labour. A mass surveillance apparatus. The social industry.

*apologies for the blurry quality of this one. The lens just went out of focus for some reason. It's the first of a series, and it gets better.
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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby Sounder » Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:37 pm

I have read only BS on this thread, the only thing worth reading.

We are not all trolls, still as CD said, yeah I read that too, the troll has value as he/she (inadvertently) exposes the bankrupt nature of the dominant narrative that is able to dress up ploys in pursuit of transnational corporate influence as being about saving us from ourselves.

The subtext of AD's, all to typical, passive aggressive non-engagement is that you better watch what you say. Fuck that.
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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby American Dream » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:07 pm

That was surprising.
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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby Harvey » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:14 pm



I did actually live under a bridge once. I'd recommend it for any aspiring trolls.
And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings
This he said to me
"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
In return"


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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby Laodicean » Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:18 pm

Laodicean » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:06 am wrote:
Jeff » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:18 am wrote:There's no way this won't sound anodyne, but isn't the board big enough for everyone?

I won't pretend to be up to speed on all of the disagreements here, but maybe that's good. The issues are maybe irrelevant to my point, which is that you don't all need to be pals, but maybe you do need to give each other some space.

I don't want anybody banned or the board to be heavily moderated. In return, all I'd like is some basic, online courtesy. Like not flooding someone's thread, or driving discussion off topic, or making vicious personal attacks. That kind of stuff.

Jeff out.


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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:09 pm

I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in
And stops my mind from wandering


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distractions and negativity
narrow mindedness (or close mindedness)
stifles creativity
create a barrier (fix a hole) from the outside pressures (the rain) and

allow my mind to wander uninhibited, also smoke a joint and go in a colorful room that inspires :D
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
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Don’t forget that.
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Re: We Are All Trolls

Postby American Dream » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:25 pm

How the U.S. became Troll Nation: From Gamergate to the rise of Trump
Before "MAGA," Gamergaters claimed harassing women online was "about ethics in video game journalism"


Like many historical calamities, Gamergate began because a young man did not accept it when a woman told him no.

In August 2014, a man named Eron Gjoni wrote a nearly 10,000 word essay about his ex-girlfriend, a video game developer named Zoë Quinn. The piece, which he posted online, was an incoherent train wreck of thwarted male entitlement, in which Gjoni obsessed about Quinn’s sex life. Calling a girl a slut online is often enough to get the internet hoards to attack her, but Gjoni’s real stroke of genius was in claiming Quinn’s professional success was not a result of her talent, but due to her trading sexual favors for good press coverage.

The accusation, and this cannot be stated clearly enough, was flat-out false. (Quinn did date a journalist, but he never wrote about her work.) But it played off the resentment so many men feel when they see a woman who has more professional success than they do. The lie gave these men a comforting fiction to cling to, which is that women who excel aren’t really talented or inter­esting, but instead must be cheating — using sex or liberal guilt or anything but their actual talents to get ahead.

It’s the same myth that millions would later use to convince themselves that Trump was somehow more worthy of their vote than Clinton.

Gjoni shared his post on internet forums where a lot of young men had already gathered to complain about women who were gaining a foothold in the video game industry. The result was the stalker’s dream: Hundreds, possibly thousands of young men (and some women!) became lieutenants in Gjoni’s quest to punish Quinn for dumping him. They harassed and threatened Quinn until she was forced to leave her home.

The campaign continued to spiral even further out of control, as the online mob expanded the circle of harassment. The targets of the Gamergate are familiar to anyone who watched the rise of Trump. While women who were viewed as uppity were the main hate objects, accusations also flew against journalists, deemed corrupt and out of touch by the Gamergaters. People who advo­cated for gender and racial equality were sneeringly dismissed as “SJWs,” short for “social justice warriors.” The vitriol was always justified by a hazy nostalgia for the good old days, when video games were supposedly simple and didn’t bother players with all this political correctness.

Gamergaters, one could say, wanted to make video gaming “great again.”

While the entire debacle garnered a lot of media attention, mostly from journalists—including myself—who couldn’t believe how angry so many young men were, one enterprising young writer named Milo Yiannopoulos saw an opportunity. He saw that Gamergaters were incoherent and unorganized, but with a little leadership, they could be whipped into a hard-right youth movement. Yiannopoulos got to work injecting himself into the middle of Gamergate, writing apologies for the movement on the far-right site Breitbart and riling up the harassment mobs on Twitter.

Mainstream conservatives tend to lean on arguments of tra­dition and morality in order to undermine women’s progress. Older conservatives try to spin their sexist views in positive terms, claiming that putting restrictions on women’s reproduc­tive rights and job opportunities is about constructing a happy family life. Traditional conservatism is genteel and condescend­ing to women.

Yiannopoulos, despite — or because — he’s both gay and Brit­ish, seemed to get why Gamergaters were different. He dispensed with the niceties of the past and embraced a politics of unvar­nished resentment. He told angry young men that they were being terrorized by “an army of sociopathic feminist programmers and campaigners, abetted by achingly politically correct Amer­ican tech bloggers,” and gave his young followers permission to embrace the politics of destruction.

Milo didn’t pretend to be motivated by sexual morality or family values. Instead, he wallowed in foul language and bragga­docio about his sexual exploits. He told his readers that they were justified in their feeling that women had, by striving for equality, stolen something from them. He offered them an anti-femi­nism stripped of any pretense towards chivalry, instead giving them permission to embrace a politics composed of nothing but resentment and destructive urges. He let them believe that the minor bumps and bruises of young adulthood, such as career struggles or dating struggles, were the direct result of women’s efforts towards equality — and that justified harassment and cru­elty towards women in return.

Gamergate faded, but Yiannopoulos’s star continued to rise. Mainstream media sources were fascinated by how he was selling a right wing politics that wasn’t interested in the usual justifica­tions of social order or religious faith. Milo portrayed himself as a rebel, framing destructiveness as subversion. He harnessed an army of young male supporters he cultivated by tapping their resentments towards women, and pointed their ire at targets, such as Muslim immigrants, that fit the larger Breitbart agenda of white nationalism.

It was Yiannopoulos who really grasped, for instance, that the 2016 reboot of Ghostbusters, which starred four women instead of four men, created a perfect opportunity to tap into a vein of male outrage. For every man who still can’t believe women are allowed to reject him, for every male college student angry that a girl got better grades, for every sexist still bitter that a woman got promoted over him at work, Milo offered yowling about the supposed injustice of Ghostbusters as an opportunity for revenge.

Yiannopoulos called the movie “an overpriced self-esteem device for women betrayed by the lies of third-wave feminism.” It was a perfect distillation of his immense powers of projection. It’s his audience whose self-esteem is shattered by seeing women in the kind of comedic roles they wish to believe that only men are capable of mastering. And it’s his audience that would rather tear the Ghostbusters franchise down by its ears than have to share it with women.

As with Gamergate, Yiannopoulos was a ringleader in the movement to destroy Ghostbusters through an online harass­ment campaign, a movement that unsurprisingly focused mostly on the one woman of color on the cast, Leslie Jones, who Yian­nopoulos called “barely literate” and “another black dude.”

Even Trump got involved, putting out a 6-minute video where he whined, “And now they’re making Ghostbusters with only women. What’s going on?!”

The harassment of Jones got Yiannopoulos kicked off Twitter, but his banning only seemed to reinforce the view of Yiannopou­los’s fans that they are victims of a “politically correct” culture that supposedly wishes to suppress supposed truths about race and gender through shaming and censoriousness.

To be clear, neither Yiannopoulos nor the modern right writ large invented this idea of trolling the left as a political ideology onto itself. Plenty of right wing personalities laid the pathway for the idea that messing with liberals is a reasonable substitute for having a coherent political philosophy. Rush Limbaugh, for instance, has maintained a multi-decade career as a radio talk show host by focusing his show primarily on the subject of the alleged evils of liberals and why listeners should hate these omi­nous creatures.

But after decades of that kind of propaganda, trolling liberals is no longer considered just a fun sport, but the ultimate purpose of conservative politics. The idea of making a positive argument in favor of conservative values has atrophied, leaving only the desire to troll in its place.

Ultimately, Yiannopoulos’s most lasting legacy will likely be in his support for the Trump campaign, which in turn helped a generation of resentful young men believe that voting Trump, who Yiannopoulos called “Daddy,” was the ultimate way to troll the feminists and liberals they hate. That Trump had nothing positive to offer doesn’t bother Milo and his fans. If anything, that is seen as a plus: Trump is the politics of destruction, per­sonified.


https://www.salon.com/2018/04/22/how-th ... -of-trump/
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