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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Grizzly » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:33 pm
ORLANDO, Fla. - A presidential forum scheduled in Orlando that was going to feature both Former Vice President Joe Biden and Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has been canceled due to coronavirus concerns, the organization says.

AFL-CIO confirmed to FOX 35 News that the AFL-CIO presidential forum scheduled in Orlando, which was going to feature Democratic presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden, has been canceled due to coronavirus concerns.

The event was said to be scheduled for March 12, which is just five days before the state's presidential primary. The AFL-CIO intended to give the candidates a chance to hear from working people about the issues that are most important to them.

However, as cases of coronavirus arise in Florida, they said the event was canceled.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby identity » Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:46 pm

Remember The Corbett Report? Here's his latest on Covid-19, Lies, Damned Lies, and Infection Numbers:

edit: adding Spiro's latest video on Coronavirus:
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:58 pm


Taiwan also put their vice-president in charge of the response. As it happens, he's a goddamn epidemiologist.

Not to be too technocratic in my thinking here, since assholes are found in every profession, and personally "qualified" and "competent" politicians seem to fuck up the world as often as the obviously dumbo kind, but this kind of thing almost never happens here. The politician is almost never a scientist. Rarely a doctor. Philosophers? Historians?! (If it's the Newt Gingrich or Ben Sasse kind.) Poets, authors? Also as good as no electricians, plumbers, teachers, truck drivers, waitstaff, line workers, bartenders (1!), zookeepers, garbage collectors, nurses, pilots, or firefighters. Salespeople often make it in though -- especially lobbyists.
How Taiwan managed to avoid a coronavirus outbreak
Mihai Andrei

Taiwan is 81 miles off Mainland China. It is a highly urbanized state of 24 million people with an extremely high population density. It is also one of the first places where the new coronavirus epidemic manifested itself. All things considered, Taiwan was expected to have the highest number of cases outside China. Yet Taiwan successfully managed to avoid an uncontrolled outbreak and only has 44 confirmed cases.

The lessons from Taiwan, presented in a new case study, are instructive for other countries — both for this outbreak and for future ones.

Why didn’t Taiwan become a coronavirus cluster? They were prepared and acted quickly and transparently. Image credits: Remi Yuan.

Early preparation
In April 2003, the Taiwan Department of Health was notified of seven cases of the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) infecting healthcare workers (HCWs) at a large municipal hospital in Taipei. By the end of the outbreak, Taiwan recorded 483 infections, with a fatality rate of 12%.

The Taiwan government looked at these events closely and learned its lesson. Less than one year after the SARS outbreak, a National Health Command Center (NHCC) was established. The NHCC is meant to serve as a disaster management center command point, coordinating and advising authorities at a regional and central level, so that in the case of a new outbreak, no time and resources are wasted.

This was particularly useful as COVID-19 started rearing its head right around the Lunar New Year — during which millions of Chinese and Taiwanese were expected to travel for the holidays.

The NHCC quickly assessed and understood the threat, and started taking actions to prevent a large-scale epidemic. They created alerts for travelers and the general population, instructed healthcare workers, and dispatched the necessary containment resources.

A toll-free number was set in the early stages of the outbreak, where people could call and ask questions about the disease or report symptoms. As the toll-free number reached capacity, larger cities were instructed to develop their own such numbers.

The government addressed the issue of disease stigma and compassion for those affected by providing food, frequent health checks, and encouragement for those under quarantine. Several programs were deployed to assist schools, businesses, and furloughed workers.

But perhaps most importantly, Taiwan developed a realistic and practical plan.

Using health insurance and big data
Technology is a key ally when you’re fighting an outbreak, Taiwan realized. So they leveraged the national health insurance database to create a smart system to warn citizens and keep an eye on the situation.

The database was integrated with the customs information to generate a pool of big data. This data generated real-time alerts based on people’s travel patterns. It used QR code scanning and online reporting of travel history and documented health symptoms to classify passengers’ infectious risks. Then, Taiwanese authorities acted based on what the data suggested — and took some pretty draconic precaution measures.

People with the lowest risk were issued fast travel clearance, but people with higher risk were likely to be quarantined at home, whether they liked it or not.

Forcing people into quarantine is actually something that most states can do in the case of an outbreak (take the people aboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship, for example). But Taiwan decided to act quickly and take a preemptive measure.

Furthermore, they proactively sought out patients with severe respiratory symptoms based on records in the national health insurance (something which all developed countries can deploy with relative ease, with the notable exception of the US).

The technological approach was fairly straightforward, although it did include complex elements, such as the real-time alert generation system. But overall, this is a system that most countries could deploy — just like the following point.

Regular, accurate updates
As soon as the outbreak emerged, Taiwan’s minister of health and welfare started giving daily press briefings, as did the NHCC. In addition, the vice president of Taiwan (a prominent epidemiologist) gave regular public service announcements that were freely available on the internet.

The announcements were in a very ‘matter of fact’ fashion: when and where should masks be used, how important is it to wash hands, and why resources shouldn’t be hoarded (the export of medical masks was banned from the early stages, to avoid a shortage). These are all things we’ve heard over the course of the outbreak, but again, Taiwan started early, as they recognized the importance of these announcements. The politicians did not try to downplay or minimize the risks or use it as political leverage. In general, the message was straightforward and simple.

The communication strategy was clear and was also done in sign language. Communication in languages other than Mandarin was scarce, but for Taiwan’s citizens, the plan of action was clear and simple from the beginning.

Prepared, proactive, and clear
The recent viewpoint published in JAMA highlights Taiwan as an example of how governments should react to an outbreak. The first is author C. Jason Wang, director of the Center for Policy, Outcomes, and Prevention at Stanford University, and one of the researchers who worked on the reformation of Taiwan’s National Health Insurance System. He mentions that decisions must be “culturally appropriate”, hinting at tweaks that may need to be applied in different areas.

However, the main takeaway is clear: early action is crucial, as is effective and simple communication. Having a dedicated, well-trained task force also helps.

“In a crisis, governments often make difficult decisions under uncertainty and time constraints. These decisions must be both culturally appropriate and sensitive to the population.”

“Through early recognition of the crisis, daily briefings to the public, and simple health messaging, the government was able to reassure the public by delivering timely, accurate, and transparent information regarding the evolving epidemic. Taiwan is an example of how a society can respond quickly to a crisis and protect the interests of its citizens.”

Journal reference: ‘Response to COVID-19 in Taiwan: Big Data Analytics, New Technology, and Proactive Testing’, by Wang et al. JAMA.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:48 pm

JackRiddler wrote:WR, jeez, would have thought you'd bold this:

Gottlieb wrote:This exposes one of the challenges of our federal system that we leave a lot of authority to state and local officials. And there's a good- there's good reasons why. But in a situation like this, we want them to act not just in their local interests, but the national interests, I think we need to think about both trying to coerce them. We can't force them but also try to provide some incentives in terms of support.

Interesting that Gottleib felt the need to clarify his statements on Twitter later this afternoon -- I reckon that must be related to his employment at the American Enterprise Institute, though.

1/2 ‘lockdowns’ or forced mass quarantines like Italy, China aren’t right answer for U.S. They cause enormous social, health, economic costs. But we must adopt strong mitigation steps in areas of outbreak like Seattle that will significantly slow economic activity as consequence.

2/2 At the same time, we must provide direct economic assistance to cities, states, people burdened with hardship to compensate for large costs of strong mitigation steps and give cities more latitude to adopt such measures. The national interest depends on strong local actions.

School closures (preemptive or reactive), curtailing gatherings, closing places where people congregate indoors like theaters, implementing widespread telework requirements, limiting mass transit, small measures to reduce social interactions, can all mitigate scope of epidemic.

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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby identity » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:04 pm

An article on the findings of CBS reporter Sharon Attkinsson, who investigated the Centers for Disease Creation and Propaganda's H1N1 infection numbers back in 2009 (mentioned in the Corbett video):
Full article:

Given CBS News’ findings that most cases of flu-like illnesses are neither H1N1 nor the flu, it begs the question: Why is the CDC reporting that most flu in the United States is in fact H1N1?

Barbara Loe Fisher, founder of the National Vaccine Information Center who I spoke with in the interview above, was a consumer representative on the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee in 2003, and she asked the head of the influenza branch of the CDC how much of the flu-like illness that occurs in America every year is actually due to the flu.

The answer was about 20 percent, which corresponds more closely with the CBS News data from 2009.

According to the CBS News study, when you come down with chills, fever, cough, runny nose, malaise and all those other “flu-like” symptoms, the illness is likely caused by influenza at most 17 percent of the time and as little as 3 percent! The other 83 to 97 percent of the time it’s caused by other viruses or bacteria.

So remember that not every illness that appears to be the flu actually is the flu. In fact, most of the time it’s not.

Curiously, the CDC still advises those who were told they had 2009 H1N1 (and therefore should be immune to getting it again) to get vaccinated unless they had lab confirmation.

Is the CDC Purposely Misinforming the Public to Sell More Flu and H1N1 Vaccines?

Conflicts of interest are rampant in the vaccination infrastructure. The same people who are regulating and promoting vaccines are also evaluating vaccine safety.

For instance, Dr. Paul Offit of the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia earned at least $29 million as part of a $182-million sale by the hospital of its worldwide royalty interest in the Merck Rotateq vaccine. He also formerly sat on the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) to help create the market for rotavirus vaccine.

This type of conflict of interest has been going on for some time.

In August 1999, the Committee on Government Reform initiated an investigation into Federal vaccine policy. During the investigation the Committee extensively reviewed financial disclosure forms and related documents and interviewed key officials from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the CDC.

It was revealed that many individuals on two key advisory committees had financial ties to pharmaceutical companies that manufacture vaccines. These individuals were even granted waivers allowing them to fully participate in discussions about vaccine licensing and recommendations for children, despite the fact that federal law states members of advisory committees are required to disclose such ties and recuse themselves from such discussions and decisions.

Further, the investigation revealed that the FDA’s and CDC’s conflict of interest rules were not strongly enforced while the rules themselves were weak. Specific problems noted by the Committee included:

•The CDC routinely granted waivers from conflict of interest rules to many members of its advisory committee.
•Those CDC advisory committee members who were not allowed to vote on certain recommendations due to financial conflicts of interest were still allowed to actively participate in committee deliberations and advocate specific positions.
•The Chairman of the CDC’s advisory committee owned 600 shares of stock in Merck, a pharmaceutical company with an active vaccine division.
•Members of the CDC’s advisory committee often left key details out of their financial disclosure statements, and were not required to provide the missing information by CDC ethics officials.

And, when the FDA and CDC approved the controversial rotavirus vaccine in 1998 and 1999, the Committee’s report said:

•3 out of the 5 FDA advisory committee members who voted to approve the rotavirus vaccine in December 1997 had financial ties to the pharmaceutical companies that were developing different versions of the vaccine.
•4 out of the 8 CDC advisory committee members who voted to approve guidelines for the rotavirus vaccine in June 1998 had financial ties to pharmaceutical companies that were developing different versions of the vaccine.

The rotavirus vaccine was pulled from the market one year after approval, after it was found to cause severe bowel obstructions.

Given their sordid history, can the CDC really be trusted, even today? Do you think that much has changed in just one decade?

Is the H1N1 Vaccine Really Safe as the CDC Says it Is?

CDC officials are screaming that H1N1 is so different from the seasonal influenza strains that have circulated in the past few decades that a national alarm must be sounded and everyone needs to be so afraid that we all should get vaccinated to prevent a deadly pandemic.

Yet, they say the new H1N1 vaccine is safe based on vaccines for that very same flu strain from which it is so different. They write on their Web site “the 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines are expected to have similar safety profiles as seasonal flu vaccines …”

Another contradiction.

While symptoms of H1N1 flu and seasonal flu are virtually identical, the H1N1 vaccine is showing signs of being quite different from the seasonal flu shot.

Although both are produced using antiquated 50-year-old technology that involves injecting the virus into eggs and allowing it to grow, the virus being used to produce the swine flu vaccine has been found to reproduce much more slowly in eggs than the ordinary flu virus.

And according to a separate CBS News report, the U.S. government is now funding newer unprecedented technologies to speed up vaccine production, including one that involves growing the virus inside animal cells and another that involves flu proteins grown inside insect cells.

The risks of these, and the current fast-tracked swine flu vaccine, are truly unknown at this time.

There is NO Incentive for the CDC or Vaccine Manufacturers to Care About Safety

You may think that the CDC and the vaccine manufacturers must be concerned about safety, as if they released a dangerous vaccine and promoted it to the American public, imagine the lawsuits they would face.

This is actually no longer reality as the U.S. government has granted vaccine makers total legal immunity from any lawsuits that result from the new swine flu vaccine.

In fact, drug manufacturers got a major boost in protection and were granted unprecedented powers to experiment on the population with the passing of the 2006 Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (the PREP Act).

This law allows the DHHS Secretary to invoke almost complete immunity from liability for manufacturers of vaccines and drugs used to combat a declared public health emergency, which the “swine flu pandemic” qualifies as.

The PREP Act removes your right to a trial jury unless you can provide clear evidence of willful misconduct that resulted in death or serious physical injury. But that’s not all. First you must apply for and be granted permission to sue by the DHHS Secretary.

The most problematic aspect of the PREP Act is that it removes all financial incentive to make a safe product.

In fact, vaccine makers now have a negative incentive to test it for safety, because if they are aware of problems, then they could potentially be held liable for willful misconduct!

As long as they can prove they “didn’t know” of any problem, they will not be liable for damages. Hence it’s in their best interest to know as little as possible about the adverse reactions it might cause.

It seems unimaginable, but you and your children are now being enlisted as an unpaid human trial subjects for experimental, fast-tracked vaccines like the swine flu vaccine.

Even if They Were Effective or Safe, Most Vaccines Will Come Too Late

Recent national polls have revealed that 30 percent to 50 percent in many communities are not planning to get a swine flu shot … but there are many who are still ready to stand in line.

But I wanted to share one final detail, and that is a new study just released by Purdue University researchers and published in the journal Eurosurveillance.

“The model predicts that there will be a significant wave in autumn, with 63% of the population being infected, and that this wave will peak so early that the planned CDC vaccination campaign will likely not have a large effect on the total number of people ultimately infected by the pandemic H1N1 influenza virus.”

In other words, infections are predicted to peak in late October (now) and by the end of the year it’s estimated that 63 percent of the U.S. population will have been infected with H1N1 swine flu.

What does this mean? By the end of the year the majority of the U.S. population will have likely acquired natural immunity.

Natural immunity is what you gain when you recover from influenza and natural immunity is what is protecting older Americans, who have recovered from exposure to H1N1 strains of influenza in the past and are therefore less susceptible today.

This new revelation, coupled with CBS News’ finding that swine flu cases are already being greatly overestimated … and the fact that vaccines do not offer long-term immunity anyway … and the questionable motives behind CDC’s massive vaccination campaign … puts an entirely different slant on the swine flu “epidemic,” don’t you think?

If you are still concerned about the swine flu, you should know that it is relatively easy to improve your immune response to fight this infection. If 99.9% of the people are not having any serious complications from H1N1, it would seem perfectly rational to believe that minor lifestyle changes could have dramatic effects on fighting this infection, and none of these involve taking potentially dangerous and unproven vaccine interventions.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Grizzly » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:32 am





Doesn't matter if the pandemic is real or make believe, or in between. Either way, we're fucked; they always win.

This is footage inside of the #coronavirus quarantine. This is what they won’t show you. This is quarantinaville. #quarantinaville

Might as well laugh.. :starz: :sarcasm :moresarcasm
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby identity » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:53 am

"Grizzly » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:32 pm"
Doesn't matter if the pandemic is real or make believe, or in between. Either way, we're fucked; they always win.

I'm sure that anyone who frequents this board is sufficiently well-informed and enough of a realist to have long known (at least since 2009) that something like this was going to come sooner or later, and that there would be no (possibility of) resistance to what TPTB had in store.

Nevertheless, it's still useful to share information, as in some areas of life it's still possible to make decisions for oneself that will (hopefully!) minimize the losses/suffering. For example, given the strong possibility of an eventual (i.e. after various industries/corporations get their futile gov't bailouts) financial meltdown – then used as a pretext for the elimination of cash – discussion of the best form(s) in which to move one's assets could be very useful: One of the Coins? Gold? Silver? Cattle?(Q to mod: would such CV-19-related money matters best be raised here in the CV-19 thread, in one of the existing money threads, or in a new Financial Crisis 2020 thread?)

Edit: I should add that the lockdown in Italy is surely bringing home to people the understanding that the same is entirely possible – if not in fact likely – in their neck o' the woods as well. I went in myself to stock up on Eden brand beans that are on sale at Whole Foods right now, and the shelf was clear of all the sale items (luckily their shipment had just come in and the grocery guy was able to get what I wanted off the pallet). Up at the front, the area where there is usually a table that staff and customers can sit at was full of large boxes for people stocking up on stuff.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:06 am

identity » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:53 pm wrote:
Nevertheless, it's still useful to share information, as in some areas of life it's still possible to make decisions for oneself that will (hopefully!) minimize the losses/suffering.

I think a lot of the vitriol around this issue is related to the nagging issue of how little agency most of us have, once things go south. It seems irrational to stock up on a room full of toilet paper, sure, but it's something, right? Same is true for the hall monitor types who get irritated by speculation, paranoia and conspiracy theories -- why don't you get your information from reputable sources like the CDC? Something to hold onto.

Meanwhile we're all just parsing smoke signals and trying to gather enough context to catch up.

CIDRAP updates from Saturday:

Since late yesterday afternoon, the following states have reported their first cases:

South Carolina: two unlinked cases, one of them in an elderly woman and another in a person who had traveled to Europe
Utah: Grand Princess cruise ship passenger
Oklahoma: Italy traveler
Kentucky: exposure not specified in a Lexington resident
Nebraska: United Kingdom travel
Hawaii: Grand Princess cruise ship passenger
Kansas: Travel related

Most new cases, however, were reported from affected states on the West and East coasts.

..and from earlier this evening (Sunday):

Italy's health ministry today reported 1,492 new cases today, along with 133 more deaths, bringing its respective overall totals to 7,375 cases and 366 deaths. The new development pushes Italy ahead of South Korea as the country with the highest number of cases behind China.

The country also finalized a lockdown affecting all of Lombardy region, where 4,189 cases have been reported so far. It also affects 14 provinces in other regions, and taken together, the measures put about 16 million people—about one quarter of Italy's population—under quarantine. The measures are in effect until Apr 3 and also prohibit weddings and funerals and shutter movie theaters, nightclubs, gyms, swimming pools, museums, and ski resorts. Restaurants can remain open limited hours, but customers must sit 3 feet apart.


At least four more states have reported their first cases: Vermont, Missouri, Virginia, and Connecticut. Vermont's case involves an adult with unspecified exposure, Missouri's patient is a resident who traveled to Italy.

Virginia's first case, announced yesterday, is a US Marine from Fort Belvoir, and a second case announced today is a Fairfax resident who was on the same Nile River cruise linked to other US cases. Connecticut's first case is a state resident who was likely exposed in California.

US numbers will be, technically speaking, going hog wild this week. Now that the system can actually manage testing at scale, we will see new confirmed cases at scale, with multiple hot zones on both coasts sustaining community spread.

All of the testing will be prioritized towards likely cases, so be wary of people trying to glean "infection rates" from those figures -- obviously hugely, profoundly skewed by that most classic of fuck-ups, selection bias. The best method to work around that is "serosurveys," where you take randomized populations and subject them to regular blood tests. Obviously, that's not going to happen under the current circumstances, with everyone on the state and federal level failing to keep pace with incoming reports & requests.

Oil prices are heading towards a record crash this morning, bond yields are cratering, so clearly recent "market turbulence" was a prelude for the actual massacre to come this week. (And next week will likely be worse.) The real source of elite panic, though, will be the news that dropped over the weekend about CPAC and AIPAC attendees having confirmed cases -- reminiscent of Jamie Dimon's weird riff about his Davos nightmare:

"I had this nightmare that somehow in Davos, all of us who went there got it, and then we all left and spread it," Dimon said Tuesday at the bank's annual investor meeting. "The only good news from that is that it might have just killed the elite."

Attendees laughed after he made the comment. Prior to his joke, Dimon noted that that he hopes the virus gets contained and "feels terrible" about it.

JPMorgan Chase (JPM) didn't immediately return our request for comment.

That was about five years ago, on February 25th, 2020. Congress is scared and we may well see regular session suspended -- no matter how much they want to put on a brave face for the sake of appearances, they're simply not brave people.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby coffin_dodger » Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:47 am

I think a lot of the vitriol around this issue is related to the nagging issue of how little agency most of us have, once things go south.

Yet, the further things go South, effectively the more agency each of us will gain personally.

Local communities are going to tighten - or re-form - because they will have to. Be ready to help create the type of localised society in which you wish to live.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby identity » Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:33 am

Latest from Gregory Mannarino on the meltdown:

As developments in the financial sphere are undoubtedly going to accelerate in coming days and weeks, maybe it's time to create a Financial Crisis 2020 thread, and keep this one for virus/pandemic-specific developments/discussion?

edit: Might as well add GM's earlier Sunday video as well:
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Cordelia » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:20 am

Homeless vulnerable to coronavirus


SALEM, Oregon — They often don’t have places to wash their hands, struggle with health problems and crowd together in grimy camps.

That’s what makes homeless people particularly vulnerable to the coronavirus. Almost 200,000  people live in those conditions in the United States, according to a White House report, with Washington state, California and Oregon among the states most affected by homelessness as income inequality grows and housing costs rise.

And — in a possible recipe for disaster — the new virus has hit hardest on the West Coast, where nearly all of the nation’s deaths have occurred. Health officials have not yet reported coronavirus outbreaks among homeless populations, but tuberculosis and other diseases have swept through them in the past.

Yet few communities that are trying to contain the spread of the COVID-19 virus have rolled out plans to protect the homeless and give them a place to recover in isolation, which would prevent them from passing it on.

“They are double risk. One is a risk to themselves, the other is a risk to society,” said Chunhuei Chi, director of the Center for Global Health at Oregon State University in Corvallis.

King County, which includes Seattle and has seen most of the deaths in the U.S., is one of the few places that has taken action: installing more than a dozen modular units where infected homeless people can recover, some on county-owned land flanked by apartment buildings. The units, roughly the size of a mobile home that accommodates several people, were previously used by oil workers in Texas. County officials also bought a motel where coronavirus patients can recover in isolation.

That approach needs to be replicated in many more places, said Chi, who has been closely following the global outbreak that originated in China.

“This should be treated as an emergency policy, not as a permanent solution to homelessness, but more of framing it as a solution for containing the spread,” Chi said.

San Francisco says it’s developing a plan to protect the homeless from the virus but hasn’t released details yet. A cruise ship believed to be a breeding ground for more than 10 cases has been lingering off the coast of the city.

San Francisco postponed an event Thursday at a major arena that was to provide community services for the homeless. It typically draws up to 1,000 people and was delayed to reduce the risk of exposing the homeless population to coronavirus “because they are older as a group and typically have multiple chronic medical conditions,” the city said in a statement.

Farther south, in Los Angeles County, the health department is sending teams to over 300 homeless facilities to ensure people are washing their hands and not sharing food or utensils, department director Barbara Ferrer said. She’s urging shelters to prepare large spaces to isolate those who may become sick.

Health officials in the nation’s most populous county also are planning for a possible large-scale quarantine of homeless people in case the virus spreads, and will deploy street teams to work with those living in encampments to get people with symptoms treated.

Ferrer noted that health officials tell people to stay home when they’re sick, wash their hands and call their doctors.

“They live in conditions that make it almost impossible for them,” she said Friday.

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Tents of the homeless line a street corner in Los Angeles on Jan. 8, 2020. (Credit: Frederic J. Brown / AFP / Getty Images)

The percentage of older homeless adults is growing at an alarming rate. In the Bay Area, the representation of homeless adults older than 50 has gone from 11% in 1990 to 23% in 2003 and is currently estimated at 50%. We have been seeing this reflected in the population we serve as well. In 2016, 23% of those BFHP served were over the age of 55. In 2018, 36% of our clients were over the age of 55. ... nsibility/

Homeless people in their 50’s generally display the geriatric difficulties of housed people age 75 or 80.

‘I’m scared’: Homeless people and health workers brace for coronavirus to hit encampments

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That’s what makes homeless people particularly vulnerable to the coronavirus. Almost 200,000  people live in those conditions in the United States, according to a White House report

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Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:47 pm

New York has asked permission to use private labs for testing, but was denied and must use the only the cdc for testing for confirmation. The thing to remember about the cloth masks is that they have a 95% failure rate in containing this (or any) virus. But they are better than having nothing,

I don't believe I'll survive this if I become infected. After 60 years of smoking Luckys, my lungs are played out, my immune system has long been compromised and I lack the will to live. Hopefully, none of our RI members will become sick, but realistically, that's unlikely to wind up being the case, so I wish you all well and hope for you the best possible outcome.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Blue » Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:05 pm

Hey Iamwhomiam,

You are only the second person I've known who smoked Luckys, the other was my Uncle Archie, such a funny guy who taught little dogs to dance and had a pet monkey while stationed in Korea back during that "war." I'm sorry you lack the will to live, been there, will be there again. In the meantime here are some things that can help your lungs: Lung Tonic or Respiratonic are both herbal remedies that help and are readily available in health stores or on Amazon.

Take care and hopefully you won't be a Trump statistic, dude.

Well, you might not like my music choices Iam but here's another one for you. Just wanted to make you feel better...

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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Iamwhomiam » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:58 pm

Great music choices, Blue. I last saw Trower about 30 years ago; Led Zep - no way to go wrong here; and Bob James - is it possible to get too much James? I don't think so. Nice Hohner Mellotron he's playing in that piece.

Yeah, Luckys, I know the dr. told me to smoke Chesterfields because they were "good for me," but I went with the Luckys. My parents began to wonder which of them was smoking more than their share of Chesterfields, so I switched brands and that ended at least that squabble, though it would still be a few more years before a full, knock down, drag out ended their relationship forever.

Thanks for the recommendations; I will try these products and will let you know of their effect on me.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:25 pm

More cheerful news...
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