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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:25 pm

No doubt the there are legitimate far right tendencies. Though much of it seems to be a nostalgia for the bygone era of patriotism, as opposed to violent action to create a new reactionary government. The actual extreme elements were more noticeable during the 'illegal' protests than the ones now, which are so big they've washed away the extreme elements. Problem is there is zero, and I mean absolutely zero, left wing populism right now. There is no left wing political party in Australia willing to go against "the science".

I mean who am I to vote for? My only priority is getting rid of a two-tier society. Labour supports it. The Greens support it. The Liberals pretend they don't but they do. Though we'll see what happens in NSW. The only populist parties are One Nation and United Australia. Who I'm absolutely willing to vote for if they are my only option. And I'm well aware of everything else I'd be voting for in doing that. Strange times.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:11 am



we getting into the fire and brimstone now.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:17 am

drstrangelove » 22 Nov 2021 07:11 wrote:

we getting into the fire and brimstone now.


Wow.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:21 am

JR, we need you.

We need all hands on deck. Are we really all going to sign on to mRNA boosters every 6 months for the rest of all of our and all of our kids' and grandkids' lives?
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:46 pm

When will someone finally shut these people up?

“As a Jew, what happened in Nazi Germany is a warning to me. Don’t play with fire by setting aside people in our society as ‘a danger to public health.”

– Reform rabbi Tamarah Benima, who has just resigned from the Dutch Union for Progressive Judaism.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/dutch-rab ... azism/amp/


Ms Benima is clearly an Anti-Semite and a paranoid tinfoil-hatter. As is covid-denier Vera Sharav (83), Just because old Vera survived a murderous dictatorship, she thinks she can go around spreading filthy conspiracy theories about our liberal democracies:

“The stark lesson of the Holocaust is that whenever doctors join forces with government and deviate from their personal, professional, clinical commitment to do no harm to the individual, medicine can then be perverted from a healing humanitarian profession to a murder apparatus.

[…]

People are being conditioned to submit passively to government dictate. Children who are deprived of an education are being conditioned to distrust people. Mandatory masks are an insidious psychological weapon. They demean our dignity as free human beings. They do not work in this or any epidemic and they are the symbolic equivalent of the yellow star.”

https://sca.news/en/corona-committee-ta ... ausschuss/


Wear a fucking mask, Vera. Wash your hands. Take a shower, even.

Meanwhile, Down Under, where men chunder: First they came for the blackfellas:

AUSTRALIA - The army is now transferring positive Covid cases and contacts in the Northern Territories to ‘Quarantine Camps’ by army truck.

So it wasn’t a conspiracy theory then.

[FILM: Gauleiter Gunner barking,]

12:10 nachm. · 22. Nov. 2021

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/sta ... 5571918849


The voice of reason:



Follow TheScience™. That's an order.

Meanwhile, in the land of the hobbits and the diddly pindeemic: "Why is the vaccine not working in Israel?"



That's telling 'im.

The message is clear: "Geet teested." Surely everyone can understand that?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1462807511929696260

Isn't she lovely?

Meanwhile, on the Dark Continent: Scientists Embarrassed, Furious, As Africa Avoids COVID Disaster (How did they manage that feat? It's a profound mystery, like the Sphinx.)

Scientists mystified, wary, as Africa avoids COVID disaster
By MARIA CHENG and FARAI MUTSAKANovember 19, 2021

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... 172eb01a2f


One thing we do know: by staying alive in droves, Africans are giving comfort and support to anti-vaxxers. Up with such uppitiness Science™ will not put, at least not for long.

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Meanwhile, in the Transatlantic Alliance: the NYT hails Österreich, der Führer Europas, for making the needle compulsory under pain of a $4,000 fine, or imprisonment if you can't or won't pay:

Austria leads in imposing tough new rules, as Europe fights resistance to vaccines and restrictions. Soon, a German official [Health Minister and former bank clerk Jens Spahn] warned, almost everyone will be “vaccinated, recovered or dead.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/22/worl ... tests.html


"warned", eh? makes u think .

Meanwhile, everywhere:

Not Just Austria—Here Are The Countries Making Covid-19 Vaccination Compulsory For Everyone

Robert Hart, Forbes Staff
Business breaking news

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart ... -everyone/


No one could have seen it coming.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:40 pm

drstrangelove » 22 Nov 2021 17:11 wrote:

we getting into the fire and brimstone now.


Gunner is a bit of a cunt too actually.

Even before this he removed a report on how to lower indigenous suicide rates from the NT parliament website. It was a report that he helped write nearly a decade ago and recommended against the very decisions his government made on basically ending bail for indigenous kids who get arrested.

That video comes across as no surprise.

Many of the blackfellas I know are opposed to vaccines and more are opposed to mandates. Indigenous women in Australia were sterilised against their will and often without their knowledge as part of government mandated policy in the past.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:50 pm

MacCruiskeen » 23 Nov 2021 09:46 wrote:Why doesn't someone shut these people up?

“As a Jew, what happened in Nazi Germany is a warning to me. Don’t play with fire by setting aside people in our society as ‘a danger to public health.”

– Reform rabbi Tamarah Benima, who has just resigned from the Dutch Union for Progressive Judaism.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/dutch-rab ... azism/amp/


Ms Benima is clearly an Anti-Semite and a paranoid tinfoil-hatter. As is Coronaleugner Vera Sharav (83), Just because old Vera survived a murderous dictatorship, she thinks she can go around spreading filthy conspiracy theories about the free West:

“The stark lesson of the Holocaust is that whenever doctors join forces with government and deviate from their personal, professional, clinical commitment to do no harm to the individual, medicine can then be perverted from a healing humanitarian profession to a murder apparatus.

[…]

People are being conditioned to submit passively to government dictate. Children who are deprived of an education are being conditioned to distrust people. Mandatory masks are an insidious psychological weapon. They demean our dignity as free human beings. They do not work in this or any epidemic and they are the symbolic equivalent of the yellow star.”

https://sca.news/en/corona-committee-ta ... ausschuss/


Wear a fucking mask, Vera. Wash your hands.

Meanwhile, Down Under: First they came for the blackfellas.

AUSTRALIA - The army is now transferring positive Covid cases and contacts in the Northern Territories to ‘Quarantine Camps’ by army truck.

So it wasn’t a conspiracy theory then.

[FILM: Gauleiter Gunner barks,]

12:10 nachm. · 22. Nov. 2021

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/sta ... 5571918849




Follow TheScience™. That's an order.

Meanwhile, in the land of the hobbits and the diddly pindeemic: "Why is the vaccine not working in Israel?"



That's telling 'em.

"Geet teested":

https://twitter.com/i/status/1462807511929696260

Isn't she lovely?

Meanwhile, on the Dark Continent: Scientists Embarrassed, Furious, As Africa Avoids COVID Disaster (How did they manage that feat? It's a profound enigma, like the Sphinx.)

Scientists mystified, wary, as Africa avoids COVID disaster
By MARIA CHENG and FARAI MUTSAKANovember 19, 2021

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus- ... 172eb01a2f


Anyway, by staying alive in droves, Africans are giving comfort and support to anti-vaxxers. Up with such uppitiness Science™ will not put, at least not for long.

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Meanwhile, in the USA and Old Europe: the NYT hails Österreich, der Führer Europas, for making the needle compulsory under pain of a $4,000 fine or imprisonment if you can't or won't pay:

Austria leads [sic] in imposing tough new rules, as Europe fights resistance to vaccines and restrictions. Soon, a German official [Health Minister Jens Spahn] warned, almost everyone will be “vaccinated, recovered or dead.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/22/worl ... tests.html


"warned", eh? makes u think

Meanwhile, everywhere:

Not Just Austria—Here Are The Countries Making Covid-19 Vaccination Compulsory For Everyone

Robert Hart, Forbes Staff
Business [sic] breaking news

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart ... -everyone/


Nobody could have seen it coming.

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Mac!!! You're back you narky bastard.

Good to see you're still kicking against the pricks.

Can't believe that stuff from the territory right now. Seriously fucked up but....

I haven't heard if this was a request from the blackfellas in those communities yet. If it was then its not how its being portrayed.

But the NT has a history of ignoring local concerns and pulling heavy handed shit with the army so we'll see. I'm not confident at this point.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:36 pm

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In return"


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:40 am

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Great to see Mac back in the house! Even if only a cameo appearance.


@Alec_Zeck
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Quarantine camps, segregating unvaccinated, limiting their movement in society, and checking their papers in the streets— all conspiracy theories less than a year ago, reality in western countries now.

If you’re upset at me for my tweet, you’ve been socially conditioned.

https://twitter.com/Alec_Zeck/status/14 ... 42817?s=20


"A new study of 566 patients who received either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines shows that signs of cardiovascular damage soared following the shots...Patients had a 1 in 4 risk for severe problems after the vaccines, compared to 1 in 9 before."


https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/if- ... lems-youll

Bad news about the dangers that mRNA vaccines may pose to the heart and blood vessels keeps coming.



Resistance is indeed fertile, and absolutely necessary.


Another Top Vaccine Scientist Censored and Deplatformed by Linkedin.

Dr. Nikolai Petrovsky, MD, PhD in immunology, has been involved in pandemic vaccine research for the last 25 years, having developed more than 20 vaccines including against SARS, MERS, COVID19, swine and bird flu, Ebola etc.

https://lnkd.in/ersrVqzT

He has been principal investigator on five NIH vaccine grants totaling over 50 million dollars, with a focus on development of vaccine adjuvants and pandemic vaccine platforms. He has authored over 200 research papers and has won several prestigious awards. His current focus is development of the Covax-19 vaccine against COVID-19.

“As a vaccine developer, I am not fully confident about what's happened over the last 18 months. And I'm not the only vaccine developer in the world who is extremely uncomfortable right now.”


“We have a situation where we have some very new technologies in their infancy— and that is the mRNA vaccines and the adenovirus vector vaccines, which are the only ones that you're being forced to have. Or certainly some of us are being forced to have, to remain in employment.”

“What level of confidence do we have that they have been through the usual process, which is usually 10 to 15 years of rigorous testing in thousands of people. Now those thousands of people accept the risk, because they're in a clinical trial. They’re given a very extensive warning— this could kill you, this could maim you— and they still sign up and agree to that process. And then they’re followed for 5, 10, 15 years. And if they survive, and there are no terrible occurrences, then regulators will look at all of that data and approve the product. Now, that hasn't happened in this situation, which is really a first.”

“Yes, you may accelerate things and develop a vaccine very rapidly... and there's uncertainties. But then you have to tell people the honest truth. I can't tell you whether in 10 years there will be a side effect of an mRNA vaccine or they won't be— no one can. In truth, no scientists can.”

“And so if they can't, how can they mandate something which has that level of uncertainty around it? You have to get informed consent. So rather than mandates—which I think are completely abhorrent in this situation— they should be [getting] informed consent forms, so that everyone having one of these vaccines is getting all of the information and then saying, ‘of my free will, not under duress, I am signing and agreeing to have this vaccine.’ And that's not happening. Quite the opposite. Just because the state tells you to do something, doesn't mean it's right. And I think we really need to question that.”
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:02 am



It really is. The human body is nature. mRNA gene therapy is an attempt to synthetically regulate it. They abolished the control group of the clinical trials. Now they are trying to abolish the control group of the real world trials. Then they'll be able to tell everyone any side effect is perfectly normal, because it literally will be. But it will be ok, because they'll have a brand new treatment for it.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:50 pm

Belligerent Savant » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:49 pm wrote:.

Lots of embedded links at source.

https://unherd.com/2021/11/the-lefts-covid-failure/

The Left’s Covid failure
Amplifying the crisis is no way to rebuild trust

BY TOBY GREEN AND THOMAS FAZI

Throughout the various phases of the global pandemic, people’s preferences in terms of epidemiological strategies have tended to overlap closely with their political orientation. Ever since Donald Trump and Jair Bolsonaro expressed doubts as to the wisdom of a lockdown strategy in March 2020, liberals and those on the Left of the Western political spectrum, including most socialists, have fallen over themselves to adhere in public to the lockdown strategy of pandemic mitigation — and lately to the logic of vaccine passports. Now as countries across Europe experiment with tighter restrictions of the unvaccinated, Left-wing commentators — usually so vocal in the defence of minorities suffering from discrimination — are notable for their silence.

As writers who have always positioned ourselves on the Left, we are disturbed at this turn of events. Is there really no progressive criticism to be made about the quarantining of healthy individuals, when the latest research suggests there is a vanishingly small difference in terms of transmission between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated? The Left’s response to Covid now appears as part of a broader crisis in Left-wing politics and thought — one which has been going on for three decades at least. So it’s important to identify the process through which this has taken shape.

In the first phase of the pandemic — the lockdowns phase — it was those leaning towards the cultural and economic right who were more likely to emphasise the social, economic and psychological damage resulting from lockdowns. Meanwhile, Donald Trump’s initial lockdown scepticism made this position untenable for most of those leaning towards the cultural and economic Left. Social media algorithms then further fuelled this polarisation. Very quickly, therefore, Western leftists embraced lockdown, seen as a “pro-life” and “pro-collective” choice — a policy that, in theory, championed public health or the collective right to health. Meanwhile any criticism of the lockdowns was excoriated as a “right-wing”, “pro-economy” and “pro-individual” approach, accused of prioritising “profit” and “business as usual” over people’s lives.

In sum, decades of political polarisation instantly politicised a public health issue, without allowing any discussion as to what a coherent Left response would be. At the same time, the Left’s position distanced it from any kind of working-class base, since low-income workers were the most severely affected by the socio-economic impacts of continued lockdown policies, and were also those most likely to be out working while the laptop class benefitted from Zoom. These same political fault lines emerged during the vaccine roll-out, and now during the Covid passports phase. Resistance associates with the Right, while those on the mainstream Left are generally supportive of both measures. Opposition is demonised as a confused mixture of anti-science irrationalism and individualistic libertarianism.

But why has the mainstream Left ended up supporting practically all Covid measures? How did such a simplistic view of the relationship between health and the economy emerge, one which makes a mockery of decades of (Left-leaning) social science research showing just how closely wealth and health outcomes are connected? Why did the Left ignore the massive increase in inequalities, the attack on the poor, on poor countries, on women and children, the cruel treatment of the elderly, and the huge increase in wealth for the richest individuals and corporations resulting from these policies? How, in relation to the development and roll-out of vaccines, did the Left end up ridiculing the very notion that, given the money at stake, and when BioNTech, Moderna and Pfizer currently make between them over US$1,000 per second from the Covid vaccines, there might be motivations from the vaccine manufacturers other than “the public good” at play? And how is it possible that the Left, often on the receiving end of state repression, today seems oblivious to the worrying ethical and political implications of Covid passports?

While the Cold War coincided with the era of decolonisation and the rise of a global anti-racist politics, the end of the Cold War – alongside the symbolic triumph of decolonisation politics with the end of apartheid – ushered in an existential crisis for Left-wing politics. The rise of neoliberal economic hegemony, globalisation, and corporate trans-nationalism, have all undermined the Left’s historic view of the state as an engine of redistribution. Combined with this is the realisation that, as the Brazilian theorist Roberto Mangabeira Unger has argued, the Left has always prospered most at times of great crisis — the Russian Revolution benefited from the World War One, and welfare capitalism from the aftermath of the World War Two. This history may partly explain the Left’s positioning today: amplifying the crisis and prolonging it through never-ending restrictions may be seen by some as a way to rebuild Left politics after decades of existential crisis.

The Left’s flawed understanding of the nature of neoliberalism may also have affected its response to the crisis. Most people on the Left believe that neoliberalism has involved a “retreat” or “hollowing out” of the state in favour of the market. Thus, they interpreted government activism throughout the pandemic as a welcome “return of the state”, one potentially capable, in their view, of eventually reversing neoliberalism’s allegedly anti-statist project. The problem with this argument, even accepting its dubious logic, is that neoliberalism hasn’t entailed a withering away of the state. On the contrary, the size of the state as a percentage of GDP has continued to rise throughout the neoliberal era.

This shouldn’t come as a surprise. Neoliberalism relies on extensive state intervention just as much as “Keynesianism” did, except that the state now intervenes almost exclusively to further the interests of big capital – to police the working classes, bail out large banks and firms that would otherwise go bankrupt, etc. Indeed, in many ways, capital today is more dependent on the state than ever. As Shimshon Bichler and Jonathan Nitzan note: “[A]s capitalism develops, governments and large corporations become increasingly intertwined. … The capitalist mode of power and the dominant-capital coalitions that rule it do not require small governments. In fact, in many respects, they need larger ones”. Neoliberalism today is more akin to a form of state-monopoly capitalism – or corporatocracy – than the kind of small-state free-market capitalism that it often claims to be. This helps explain why it has produced increasingly powerful, interventionist, and even authoritarian state apparatuses.

This in itself makes the Left’s cheering at a non-existent “return of the state” embarrassingly naïve. And the worst part is that it has made this mistake before. Even in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis, many on the Left hailed large government deficits as “the return of Keynes” – when, in fact, those measures had very little to do with Keynes, who counselled the use of government spending to reach full employment, and instead were aimed at bolstering the culprits of the crisis, the big banks. They were also followed by an unprecedented attack on welfare systems and workers’ rights across Europe.

Something similar is happening today, as state contracts for Covid tests, PPE, vaccines, and now vaccine passport technologies are parcelled out to transnational corporations (often through shady deals that reek of cronyism). Meanwhile, citizens are having their lives and livelihoods upended by “the new normal”. That the Left seems completely oblivious to this is particularly puzzling. After all, the idea that governments tend to exploit crises to further entrench the neoliberal agenda has been a staple of much recent Left-wing literature. Pierre Dardot and Christian Laval, for example, have argued that under neoliberalism, crisis has become a “method of government”. More famously, in her 2007 book The Shock Doctrine, Naomi Klein explored the idea of “disaster capitalism”. Her central thesis is that in moments of public fear and disorientation it is easier to re-engineer societies: dramatic changes to the existing economic order, which would normally be politically impossible, are imposed in rapid-fire succession before the public has had time to understand what is happening.

There’s a similar dynamic at play today. Take, for example, the high-tech surveillance measures, digital IDs, crackdown on public demonstrations and fast-tracking of laws introduced by governments to combat the coronavirus outbreak. If recent history is anything to go by, governments will surely find a way to make many of the emergency rules permanent – just as they did with much post-9/11 anti-terrorist legislation. As Edward Snowden noted: “When we see emergency measures passed, particularly today, they tend to be sticky. The emergency tends to be expanded”. This confirms, too, the ideas on the “state of exception” posited by the Italian philosopher Giorgio Agamben, who has nonetheless been vilified by the mainstream Left for his anti-lockdown position.

Ultimately, any form of government action should be judged for what it actually stands for. We support government intervention if it serves to further the rights of workers and minorities, to create full employment, to provide crucial public services, to rein in corporate power, to correct the dysfunctionalities of markets, to take control of crucial industries in the public interest. But in the past 18 months we have witnessed the exact opposite: an unparalleled strengthening of transnational corporate behemoths and their oligarchs at the expense of workers and local businesses. A report last month based on Forbes data showed that America’s billionaires alone have seen their wealth increase by US$2 trillion during the pandemic.

Another Left-wing fantasy that has been shuttered by reality is the notion that the pandemic would usher in a new sense of collective spirit, capable of overcoming decades of neoliberal individualism. On the contrary, the pandemic has fractured societies even more – between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, between those who can reap the benefits of smart working and those who can’t. Moreover, a demos made up of traumatised individuals, torn apart from their loved ones, made to fear one another as a potential vectors of disease, terrified of physical contact – is hardly a good breeding ground for collective solidarity.

But perhaps the Left’s response can be better understood in individual rather than collective terms. Classic psychoanalytic theory has posited a clear connection between pleasure and authority: the experience of great pleasure (satiating the pleasure principle) can often be followed by a desire for renewed authority and control manifested by the ego or “reality principle”. This can indeed produce a subverted form of pleasure. The last two decades of globalisation have seen a huge expansion of the “pleasure of experience”, as shared by the increasingly transnational global liberal class – many of whom, somewhat curiously in historical terms, identified themselves as on the Left (and indeed increasingly usurped this position from the traditional working-class constituencies of the Left). This mass increase in pleasure and experience among the liberal class went with a growing secularism and lack of any recognised moral constraint or authority. From the perspective of psychoanalysis, the support from this class for “Covid measures” is quite readily explained in these terms: as the desired appearance of a coterie of restrictive and authoritarian measures which can be imposed to curtail pleasure, within the strictures of a moral code which steps in where one had previously been lacking.

Another factor explaining the Left’s embrace of “Covid measures” is its blind faith in “science”. This has its roots in the Left’s traditional faith in rationalism. However, one thing is believing in the undeniable virtues of the scientific method – another is being completely oblivious to the way those in power exploit “science” to further their agenda. Being able to appeal to “hard scientific data” to justify one’s policy choices is an incredibly powerful tool in the hands of governments – it is, in fact, the essence of technocracy. However, this means carefully selecting the “science” that is supportive of your agenda – and aggressively marginalising any alternative views, regardless of their scientific value.

This has been happening for years in the realm of economics. Is it really that hard to believe that such a corporate capture is happening today with regard to medical science? Not according to John P. Ioannidis, professor of medicine and epidemiology at Stanford University. Ioannidis made headlines in early 2021 when he published, with some colleagues of his, a paper claiming that there was no practical difference in epidemiological terms between countries that had locked down and those that hadn’t. The backlash against the paper – and against Ioannidis in particular – was fierce, especially among his fellow scientists.

This explains his recent scathing denunciation of his own profession. In an article entitled “How the Pandemic Is Changing the Norms of Science”, Ioannidis notes that most people – especially on the Left — seem to think that science operates based on “the Mertonian norms of communalism, universalism, disinterestedness, and organized skepticism”. But, alas, that is not how the scientific community actually operates, Ioannidis explains. With the pandemic, conflicts of corporate interest exploded – and yet talking about them became anathema. He continues: “Consultants who made millions of dollars from corporate and government consultation were given prestigious positions, power, and public praise, while unconflicted scientists who worked pro bono but dared to question dominant narratives were smeared as being conflicted. Organized skepticism was seen as a threat to public health. There was a clash between two schools of thought, authoritarian public health versus science – and science lost”.

Ultimately, the Left’s blatant disregard and mockery of people’s legitimate concerns (over lockdowns, vaccines or Covid passports) is shameful. Not only are these concerns rooted in actual hardship but they also stem from an understandable distrust of governments and institutions that have been undeniably captured by corporate interests. Anyone who favours a truly progressive-interventionist state, as we do, needs to address these concerns – not dismiss them.

But where the Left’s response has been found most wanting is on the world stage, in terms of the relationship of Covid restrictions to deepening poverty in the Global South. Has it really nothing to say about the enormous increase in child marriage, the collapse in schooling, and the destruction of formal employment in Nigeria, where the State Statistics agency suggests 20% of people lost their jobs during the lockdowns? What about the reality that the country with the highest Covid mortality figures and excess death rate for 2020 was Peru – which had one of the world’s strictest lockdowns? On all this, it has been virtually silent. This position must be considered in relation to the pre-eminence of nationalist politics on the world stage: the electoral failure of Left internationalists such as Jeremy Corbyn meant that broader global issues had little traction when considering a broader Western Left response to Covid-19.

It is worth mentioning that there have been outliers on the Left – radical-left and socialist movements that have come out against the prevailing management of the pandemic. These include Black Lives Matter in New York, Left Lockdown Sceptics in the UK, the Chilean urban left, Wu Ming in Italy and not least the Social Democrat-Green alliance which currently governs Sweden. But the full spectrum of Left opinion was ignored, partly due to the small number of Left-wing media outlets, but also due to the marginalisation of dissenting opinions first and foremost by the mainstream Left.

Mainly, though, this has been a historic failure from the Left, which will have disastrous consequences. Any form of popular dissent is likely to be hegemonized once again by the (extreme) Right, poleaxing any chance the Left has of winning round the voters it needs to overturn Right-wing hegemony. Meanwhile, the Left holds on to a technocracy of experts severely undermined by what is proving to be a catastrophic handling of the pandemic in terms of social progressivism. As any kind of viable electable Left fades into the past, the discussion and dissent at the heart of any true democratic process is likely to fade with it.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:47 pm

Quick update on the situation regarding quarantine for the blackfellas from communities around Katherine.

These quarantine's at Howard Springs were requested by indigenous health staff working in those communities.

These are the same people that criticised Gunner's regime for other reasons throughout this pandemic and wrt other medical stuff. So that's good enough for me. Tho most people here won't accept that I don't really give a fuck what white people from the other side of the country or planet have to say about it. (Especially people who were silent on the Gunner government removing access to bail for juvenile indigenous offenders in a jurisdiction where the only juveniles in custody for years have been indigenous kids.)
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:33 pm

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Transcript of pages 176 - 180 of Kary Mullis' book, titled Dancing Naked in the Mind Field. (Mullis won a Nobel Prize for his invention of the PCR test, as you may already know; unfortunately he died just when covid started spreading in the news). Depressing parallels with today's madness:

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In spite of his lack of luster as a scientist, Gallo had worked his way up in the power structure. Peter Duesberg, despite his brilliance, worked his way down. By the time AIDS came along, it was Bob Gallo whom Margaret Heckler approached when President Reagan decided that enough homosexuals picketing the White House was enough. Margaret was the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare and thereby the top dog at NIH. Bob Gallo had a sample of a virus that Luc Montagnier had found in the lymph node of a gay decorator in Paris with AIDS. Montagnier had sent it to Gallo for evaluation, and Bob had appropriated it in the pursuit of his own career.

Margaret called a press conference and introduced Dr. Robert Gallo, who suavely pulled off his wraparound sunglasses and announced to the world press, "Gentlemen, we have found the cause of AIDS!" And that was it. Gallo and Heckler predicted that a vaccine and a cure would be available within a couple years. That was 1984.

All the old virus hunters from the National Cancer Institute put new signs on their doors and became AIDS researchers. Reagan sent up about a billion dollars just for starters, and suddenly everybody who could claim to be any kind of medical scientist and who hadn't had anything much to do lately was fully employed. They still are.

It was named Human Immunodeficiency Virus by an international committee in an attempt to settle the ownership dispute between Gallo and Montagnier, who had given it different names. To call it HIV was a short-sighted mistake that pre-empted any thought of investigation into the causal relationship between Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome and the Human Immunodeficiency Virus.

Duesberg pointed out wisely from the sidelines in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science that there was no good evidence implicating the new virus. He was ignored. Editors rejected his manuscripts and committees of his colleagues began to question his need for having his research funds continued.

Finally, in what must rank as one of the great acts of arrogant disregard for scientific propriety, a committee including Flossie Wong-Staal, who was feuding openly with Duesberg, voted not to renew Peter's Distinguished Investigator Award. He was cut off from research funds. Thus disarmed, he was less of a threat to the growing AIDS establishment. He would not be invited back to speak at meetings of his former colleagues.

We live with an uncountable number of retroviruses. They're everywhere, and they've probably been here as long as the human race. We have them in our genome. We get some of them from our mothers in the form of new viruses-infectious viral particles that can move from mother to fetus. We get others from both parents along with our genes. We have resident sequences in our genome that are retroviral. That means that we can and do make our own retroviral particles some of the time. Some of them may look like HIV. No one has shown that they've ever killed anyone before.

There's got to be a purpose for them; a sizable fraction of our genome is comprised of human endogenous retroviral sequences. There are those who claim that we carry useless DNA, but they're wrong. If there is something in our genes, there's a reason for it. We don't let things grow on us. I have tried to put irrelevant gene sequences into things as simple as bacteria. If it doesn't serve some purpose, the bacteria get rid of it right away. I assume that my body is at least as smart as bacteria when it comes to things like DNA.

HIV didn't suddenly pop out of the rain forest or Haiti. It just popped into Bob Gallo's hands at a time when he needed a new career. It has been here all along. Once you stop looking for it only on the streets of big cities, you notice that it is thinly distributed everywhere.

If HIV has been here all along and it can be passed from mother to child, wouldn't it make sense to test for the antibodies in the mothers of anyone who is positive to HIV, especially if that individual is not showing any signs of disease?

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The CDC has defined AIDS as one of more than thirty diseases accompanied by a positive result on a test that detects antibodies to HIV. But those same diseases are not defined as AIDS cases when the antibodies are not detected. If an HIV positive woman develops uterine cancer, for example, she is considered to have AIDS. If she is not HIV-positive, she simply has uterine cancer. An HIV-positive man with tuberculosis has AIDS; if he tests negative he simply has tuberculosis. If he lives in Kenya or Colombia, where the test for HIV antibodies is too expensive, he is simply presumed to have the antibodies and therefore AIDS, and therefore he can be treated in the World Health Organization's clinic. It's the only medical help available in some places. And it's free, because the countries that support the WHO are worried about AIDS. From the point of view of spreading medical facilities into areas where poor people live, AIDS has been a boon. We don't poison them with AZT like we do our own people because it's too expensive. We supply dressings for the machete cut on their left knee and call it AIDS.

The CDC continues to add new diseases to the grand AIDS definition. The CDC has virtually doctored the books to make it appear as if the disease continues to spread. In 1993, for example, the CDC enormously broadened its AIDS definition. This was happily accepted by county health authorities, who receive $2,500 from the feds per year under the Ryan White Act for every reported AIDS case.

In 1634 Galileo was sentenced to house arrest for the last eight years of his life for writing that the Earth is not the center of the universe but rather moves around the sun. Because he insisted that scientific statements should not be a matter of religious faith, he was accused of heresy. Years from now, people looking back at us will find our acceptance of the HIV theory of AIDS as silly as we find the leaders who excommunicated Galileo. Science as it is practiced today in the world is largely not science at all. What people call science is probably very similar to what was called science in 1634. Galileo was told to recant his beliefs or be excommunicated. People who refuse to accept the commandments of the AIDS establishment are basically told the same thing. "If you don't accept what we say, you're out."

It has been disappointing that so many scientists have absolutely refused to examine the available evidence in a neutral, dispassionate way. Several respected scientific journals have refused to print a statement issued by the Group for the Scientific Reappraisal of the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis simply requesting "a thorough reappraisal of the existing evidence for and against this hypothesis."
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