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JackRiddler » Wed May 27, 2020 8:40 pm wrote:And among those groups hardest hit, which really needs to be driven home [...] are health care workers, mass-transit workers, and now meat slaughterhouse workers. These three professions have shown horrific casualty rates.
John Haller wrote:
Looking at health data on the CDC website after someone on reddit brought this up: Florida, which claims 2,252 Covid-19 deaths as of today, has seen over 5,000 deaths coded as pneumonia during the pandemic. In the last 7 years during the same time-frame, under 1,000 people on average die from pneumonia in Florida. Kentucky's official death toll is 391 while at the same time seeing over 900 more pneumonia deaths than expected. Also from the courier journal's article:
Indiana: 1,832 COVID-19 deaths; 2,149 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 384)
Illinois: 4,856 COVID-19 deaths; 3,986 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 782)
Tennessee: 336 COVID-19 deaths; 1,704 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 611)
Ohio: 1,969 COVID-19 deaths; 2,327 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 820)
Virginia: 1,208 COVID-19 deaths; 1,394 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 451)
West Virginia: 72 COVID-19 deaths; 438 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 117)
Indiana: 1,832 COVID-19 deaths; 2,149 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 384)
Illinois: 4,856 COVID-19 deaths; 3,986 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 782)
Tennessee: 336 COVID-19 deaths; 1,704 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 611)
Ohio: 1,969 COVID-19 deaths; 2,327 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 820)
Virginia: 1,208 COVID-19 deaths; 1,394 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 451)
West Virginia: 72 COVID-19 deaths; 438 pneumonia deaths (five-year average: 117)
Source for Kentucky in addition to CDC data (note that it is paywalled): https://www.courier-journal.com/.../spi ... 245237002/
Here's the current CDC data for Covid-19 and Pneumonia by state: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Here's CDC Wonder for previous years:
https://wonder.cdc.gov/ucd-icd10.html
As an example set of parameters, here's the one the reddit user posted:
"Dataset: Underlying Cause of Death, 1999-2018"
"ICD-10 113 Cause List: Influenza (J09-J11); Pneumonia (J12-J18)"
"States: Florida (12)"
"Year/Month: 2013; 2014; 2015; 2016; 2017; 2018"
"Group By: Month; ICD-10 113 Cause List"
"Show Totals: Disabled"
"Show Zero Values: False"
"Show Suppressed: False"
"Calculate Rates Per: 100,000"
"Rate Options: Default intercensal populations for years 2001-2009 (except Infant Age Groups)"
a commenter wrote:I had been watching the numbers come out of Florida and Georgia for a few weeks and they did not seem to add up. Their governors were brazenly reopening against CDC guidelines and yet 2 weeks later they were reporting 3-10 deaths a day while other states had dozens if not hundreds. There was also evidence that Florida was intentionally manipulating/suppressing the true numbers. It seemed odd, but it looks like a Kentucky newspaper found the missing bodies. Deaths from pneumonia have skyrocketed. I have seen people on the right claim the numbers are inflated so hospitals can claim Covid benefits. I have seen people on the left claim numbers are suppressed so hospitals can bring back profitable elective surgeries. I don't know if this is a coordinated strategy to make numbers look artificially low so politicians can save face, but it looks shady. And it looks like they found the missing bodies, and there are a lot of them. Official cause of death: pneumonia. Covid or not, these numbers are staggering.
California sees more deaths from suicide than of coronavirus: report
i24NEWSMay 26, 2020, 10:00 AMlatest revision May 26, 2020, 10:51 AM https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/coronavi ... rus-report
Dr. deBoisblanc says 'seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in last four weeks'
Northern California experienced more deaths from suicide than deaths due to the novel coronavirus during the peak month of the pandemic, doctors from the western American state said over the weekend.
“The numbers are unprecedented. We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time,” Dr. Mike deBoisblanc at John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek, California, told ABC 7 News.
“We've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks,” he added.
Trauma nurse Kacey Hansen, who has worked for nearly 33 years at the John Muir Medical Center, said that she has never seen so much “intentional injury.”
According to ABC 7 News, she was cited as saying that the large number of suicide attempts prevented the medical center from saving as many lives under normal circumstances.
Harvard psychology professor Matthew Nock spoke to the New York Times on the possible reasons behind the increase in suicides during the pandemic.
“There’s not only an increase in anxiety, but the more important piece is social isolation. We’ve never had anything like this -- and we know social isolation is related to suicide.”
California has implemented stay-at-home orders since the beginning of the pandemic which drew criticism and pockets of protests across the state. On some occasions, business owners decided to defy the restrictions and resume operations.
Elvis » Yesterday, 22:41 wrote:To what extent are the unprecedented modern crises associated with covid-19 the result of a secret plan?
JackRiddler » Yesterday, 23:37 wrote:Most of this is not a secret plan. Why should it be?
The world’s largest airline trade group has called for immunity passports, thermal screening, masks, and physical distancing to be a part of the industry’s strategy for returning to “normal” operations.The world’s largest airline trade group has called for immunity passports, thermal screening, masks, and physical distancing to be a part of the industry’s strategy for returning to “normal” operations.
The International Air Transport Association (IATA), which represents 299 airlines, recently issued their publication, Biosecurity for Air Transport A Roadmap for Restarting Aviation, which outlines their strategy to open up air travel as governments begin to lift travel restrictions.
Under a section titled, “The passenger experience” and “Temporary biosecurity measures,” the IATA describes their vision of post-COVID-19 flights. The organization calls for contact tracing, a controversial method of tracking the civilian population to track the spread of COVID-19.“We foresee the need to collect more detailed passenger contact information which can be used for tracing purposes,” the report states. “Where possible, the data should be collected in electronic form, and in advance of the passenger arriving at the airport including through eVisa and electronic travel authorization platforms.”
Interestingly, this call for pre-boarding check-in using “electronic travel authorization platforms” coincides with the recent announcement of the Covi-Pass and the Health Pass from Clear, both of which call for a digital ID system using biometrics and storing travel, health, and identification data.
Alexandre de Juniac, IATA’s CEO, told Arabian Industry that “a layered approach” combining multiple measures which are “globally implemented and mutually recognized by governments” are “the way forward for biosecurity.”
The IATA also calls for temperature screening at entry points to airport terminals. They envision the airline experience involving physical distancing of 3-6 feet throughout the airport. The group believes changes to the airport buildings to allow for physical distancing may be necessary. The IATA also recommended “face coverings” for passengers and protective equipment for airline and airport staff.
Although the organization acknowledged that there is not currently a fast reliable test for COVID-19, they believe that once an effective test is developed it could be applied on entry to the terminal. They call for this measure to be “incorporated into the passenger process as soon as an effective test, validated by the medical community, has been developed.”
On the topic of immunity passports — an idea discussed by Anthony Fauci, the World Health Organization, and Bill Gates — the IATA states that “immunity passports could play an important role in further facilitating the restart of air travel.” The organization believes that if a person is shown to have recovered from COVID-19 and developed immunity they will not need protective measures. Once medical evidence supports the possibility of immunity to COVID-19, IATA believes “it is essential that a recognized global standard be introduced, and that corresponding documents be made available electronically.”
Finally, the IATA believes a “general move towards greater use of touchless technology and biometrics should also be pursued.” Biometrics would include facial recognition, retina scanning, and/or thumbprints.
This vision painted by the IATA is one where those who choose to fly are faced with invasive security measures, surveillance, biometric tracking, immunity passports, temperature screenings, and generally, less human contact due to physical distancing and less communication with actual people. Of course, this push towards a digital ID which contains an individual’s personal identifying information, health records, and other personal data is part of an agenda which predates COVID-19. The “powers that wish they were” are taking every opportunity to expand their technocratic control grid and the panic caused by COVID-19 allows them to accelerate their plans at a rate not seen since the days after the attacks of September 11, 2001.
The only thing stopping the roll out of this Technocratic State is the people of the world coming together, informing those who are in the dark, and unplugging from this control grid.
0_0 » 27 May 2020 04:34 wrote:Jack i'm glad that we at least can agree that the coronavirus is far less deadly and contagious than the dire scenarios that were used to justify the worldwide lockdown measures. I'm not denying the death count, i do think we need to keep looking critically at what exactly caused the excess deaths. To me it doesn't seem ludicrous at all that the general chaos, panic and disarray, sent into a frenzy by the nonstop media, in and of itself caused a lot of preventable deaths, next to and above deaths caused by the coronavirus.
Elvis » 27 May 2020 20:41 wrote:To what extent are the unprecedented modern crises associated with covid-19 the result of a secret plan?
(I don't know.)
Let's assume certain elite planners and/or calculating opportunists, in positions to influence the turn of events, anticipated something like this pandemic and figured out better than anybody else what they'd do in the event to maximize benefit to their aims, whatever exactly those would be.
The sudden economic upheaval and the pistol-whipping of main street seem much worse than they need to be. The major institutional rearrangements on the horizon beg the question.
Grizzly » 31 May 2020 17:33 wrote:Your “Immunity Passport” Future Begins to Materialize as Airlines Call for Digital ID Tracking Systems
https://www.globalresearch.ca/immunity-passport-future-begins-airlines-call-digital-id-tracking-systems/5714422The world’s largest airline trade group has called for immunity passports, thermal screening, masks, and physical distancing to be a part of the industry’s strategy for returning to “normal” operations.The world’s largest airline trade group has called for immunity passports, thermal screening, masks, and physical distancing to be a part of the industry’s strategy for returning to “normal” operations.
The International Air Transport Association (IATA), which represents 299 airlines, recently issued their publication, Biosecurity for Air Transport A Roadmap for Restarting Aviation, which outlines their strategy to open up air travel as governments begin to lift travel restrictions.
Under a section titled, “The passenger experience” and “Temporary biosecurity measures,” the IATA describes their vision of post-COVID-19 flights. The organization calls for contact tracing, a controversial method of tracking the civilian population to track the spread of COVID-19.“We foresee the need to collect more detailed passenger contact information which can be used for tracing purposes,” the report states. “Where possible, the data should be collected in electronic form, and in advance of the passenger arriving at the airport including through eVisa and electronic travel authorization platforms.”
Interestingly, this call for pre-boarding check-in using “electronic travel authorization platforms” coincides with the recent announcement of the Covi-Pass and the Health Pass from Clear, both of which call for a digital ID system using biometrics and storing travel, health, and identification data.
Alexandre de Juniac, IATA’s CEO, told Arabian Industry that “a layered approach” combining multiple measures which are “globally implemented and mutually recognized by governments” are “the way forward for biosecurity.”
The IATA also calls for temperature screening at entry points to airport terminals. They envision the airline experience involving physical distancing of 3-6 feet throughout the airport. The group believes changes to the airport buildings to allow for physical distancing may be necessary. The IATA also recommended “face coverings” for passengers and protective equipment for airline and airport staff.
Although the organization acknowledged that there is not currently a fast reliable test for COVID-19, they believe that once an effective test is developed it could be applied on entry to the terminal. They call for this measure to be “incorporated into the passenger process as soon as an effective test, validated by the medical community, has been developed.”
On the topic of immunity passports — an idea discussed by Anthony Fauci, the World Health Organization, and Bill Gates — the IATA states that “immunity passports could play an important role in further facilitating the restart of air travel.” The organization believes that if a person is shown to have recovered from COVID-19 and developed immunity they will not need protective measures. Once medical evidence supports the possibility of immunity to COVID-19, IATA believes “it is essential that a recognized global standard be introduced, and that corresponding documents be made available electronically.”
Finally, the IATA believes a “general move towards greater use of touchless technology and biometrics should also be pursued.” Biometrics would include facial recognition, retina scanning, and/or thumbprints.
This vision painted by the IATA is one where those who choose to fly are faced with invasive security measures, surveillance, biometric tracking, immunity passports, temperature screenings, and generally, less human contact due to physical distancing and less communication with actual people. Of course, this push towards a digital ID which contains an individual’s personal identifying information, health records, and other personal data is part of an agenda which predates COVID-19. The “powers that wish they were” are taking every opportunity to expand their technocratic control grid and the panic caused by COVID-19 allows them to accelerate their plans at a rate not seen since the days after the attacks of September 11, 2001.
The only thing stopping the roll out of this Technocratic State is the people of the world coming together, informing those who are in the dark, and unplugging from this control grid.
Many embeded links at the site
Bonus that he can't sniff hair and give little kisses through that mask. Or bite hands. He's gonna make it after all.
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