JackRiddler » Mon May 18, 2020 2:54 pm wrote:.
It's easy to make fun of these yahoos, the strutting fatties with the big guns and bazookas and basically fascist mentality marching in the name of their liberty to get a hair stylist, which is true, and to point out that they're astroturfed, which is true, and to say the capitalists want low-wage workers as forced labor during the pandemic, which is true, and to see that the states all want to end lockdown so they have an excuse to start purging the unemployment rolls and don't give a shit about any level of plebeian death unless it swings elections and anyway those are being massaged as well, all of which is true.
At the same time, these same elements are basically only just getting started in their project of Strafe the Working Poor, until they're all willing to do the forced labor part, and Seize the Moment, to rearrange everything into the next version of Dysfunctional Techno Dystopia.
But goddamned, given all that, this fucking country ain't going to put up the minimum cash creation necessary to keep the majority of the population going against rent, mortgages, utilities, debt and other overhead. 36 million unemployment filings probably represents another 10-20 million who have lost their other income from off the books or their contract labor (often called "small business"). This is only starting, and these kinds of numbers represent a coming upheaval and a potential for excess death likely to exceed that of the pandemic itself. It didn't have to be. But here we are.
Iamwhomiam » Tue May 12, 2020 7:31 pm wrote:Grizzly » Mon May 11, 2020 8:58 pm wrote:Webb works at Ft Dietrich. He's a spook, for sure - just search out his background.
Unless you point to a source, your full of SHIT.
Nice, Grizzly. Like I said, Search his background and past positions of employment and then draw your conclusions, as I have. But then, you really know nothing at all about him, do you? You just like what he says because of you own personal confirmation bias, and that make him credible? What education does he have? Any advanced degrees? And he claims to be one who performs analysis for Ft. Deitrick? Worked for WHO and the UN, too? And who in hell is his Oloughlin character interviewing Webb?
Iamwhomiam » Thu May 14, 2020 1:38 pm wrote:stickdog99 » Thu May 14, 2020 12:40 am wrote:liminalOyster » 13 May 2020 20:52 wrote:I agree emphatically that all sorts of risky precedents are at play or potential play. Some of the worst I can imagine in fact.
I'm also very confident that masks and social distancing help reduce transmission and save lives. Much like I believe about vaccines in general while passionately and totally opposing them ever being mandatory.
So I have no difficulty separating out in my own mind that one can 100% oppose any criminalization of what need to be consensual opt-ins and still passionately support the proposed measures.
Please *choose* to wear a mask in public places.
Please. Please. Please.
I have no problem with this. Obviously, I advocate breathing responsibly. With so many unknowns, why try to help out however you can?
And about vaccines, all I want is mechanisms in place that at least try to demonstrate that each and every recommended vaccine's benefits exceed its costs and risks. As it stands today, our medical community assumes that this is true for every vaccine ever invented to date or yet to be invented until proven otherwise by mechanisms purposefully designed not to be able to quantify the health risks of any approved vaccine while shielding vaccine manufacturers of all liability of any harms their vaccines might inflict. How does such a system make sense unless you assume that all vaccine manufacturers are somehow uniquely altruistic among capitalists or that all vaccines are uniquely harmless among pharmacologically active substances?"I have no problem with this. Obviously, I advocate breathing responsibly. With so many unknowns, why try to help out however you can?"
That last bit stickdog, is cold! I suppose the firefighters who were killed on 911 felt differently, as I do. Why is there any question when it come to helping someone in need? Risk to self? Only a selfish person could ask such a question. I'm sure Joe's aware of the risks he takes fighting brush and forest fires and would feel the same as I do as an EMT. We enjoy helping those in need even when risk is involved.
That bit ^^^ was an afterthought. What prompted me to comment, was this:"And about vaccines, all I want is mechanisms in place that at least try to demonstrate that each and every recommended vaccine's benefits exceed its costs and risks"
I completely agree with you, stickdog. I believe you should be promoting the adoption of the Precautionary Principle as often as you can. http://www.precautionaryprinciple.eu/
If the precautionary principle was adopted there would be no such thing as an unsafe medicine or vaccination.
https://www.sehn.org/precautionary-principle-understanding-science-in-regulation"When an activity raises threats of harm to human health or the environment, precautionary measures should be taken even if some cause and effect relationships are not fully established scientifically. In this context the proponent of an activity, rather than the public, should bear the burden of proof. The process of applying the precautionary principle must be open, informed and democratic and must include potentially affected parties. It must also involve an examination of the full range of alternatives, including no action." - Wingspread Statement on the Precautionary Principle, Jan. 1998
Make it illegal to persistently spread Covid-19 conspiracy theories
May 18, 2020
It should be made illegal for conspiracy theorists like David Icke to spread disinformation online, an MP has said. A number of well-known names with large social media followings have been key distributors of false information during the pandemic, research shows. The spread of baseless theories linking 5G to ill health led some members of the public to set fire to network masts, while false and dangerous claims that disinfectant could be used to treat the virus were even repeated by US President Donald Trump.
Conservative MP Damian Collins, who has launched a fact-checking service called Infotagion to combat falsehoods during the pandemic, told the PA news agency: “Disinformation can kill people.It can lead them to make the wrong decisions about what’s good for them and their family, and in the most extreme courses, it could lead them to take a drug or a treatment that could be dangerous to their health.” Mr Collins, former chairman of the Commons’ digital, culture, media and sport committee, said there need to be “requirements in law” to stop people who are persistently spreading disinformation online, such as Mr Icke.
“It’s not good enough that we just have to remove certain posts that are wrong,” he said.
“If there is a certain channel, group or individual that is persistently pushing this information out then that sort of malicious abuse of social media in a public health emergency should be an offence.”
Agent Orange Cooper » 19 May 2020 04:15 wrote:What the fuck is he even talking about? The Constitution gives the police the power to force a medical treatment—"jab a needle in your arm"—against your will? Could he point to that clause? I don't remember that part of it.
JackRiddler » Tue May 19, 2020 2:46 pm wrote:What the hell is wrong with everyone? Goddamn!
When one extremely unpleasant person, Epstein client and thus possible child rapist, and long-time advocate of fascistoid politics of various kinds calls for forced imprisonment of the unvaccinated, and when lawmakers suggest criminal bans on future speech they've magically determined is factually wrong, I know humorous riffs are absurd, but I can't help noticing the implicit assumption in the way the fact-checking morons frame the question -- "Is the Illuminati behind the Coronavirus? False" -- that "the Illuminati" exists as an identifiable real entity in space and time.
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