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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:31 pm

Grizzly » Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:56 pm wrote:Note* I posted to this already, but either nobody reads what I post or no one had any thoughts on it.

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41725&p=693524#p693524


I saw that and what's to think? It's fucked up and in line with developments generally. You can't even talk about what's been known and accepted for 20 years if it uses certain provocative words. As one who worked with Stacey Abrams I'm assuming he means the standard Republican voter suppression (I haven't listened yet), but the idea that there are any shenanigans let alone a long history of election rigging in this country is now verboten.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:50 pm

I'm sure I saw much of the Palast reveal quite awhile ago, Grizzly. After all was said and done, in the courts, the 198 voters, almost all Democrats, were reinstated. This was a truly classic case of election fraud and voter suppreshey think they lision committed by Republicans and practiced wherever they believe they'll not be caught. It is what they did in Florida, in Bush v Gore, but there they got away with it once Gore folded.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby PufPuf93 » Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:09 am

Iamwhomiam » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:50 pm wrote:I'm sure I saw much of the Palast reveal quite awhile ago, Grizzly. After all was said and done, in the courts, the 198 voters, almost all Democrats, were reinstated. This was a truly classic case of election fraud and voter suppreshey think they lision committed by Republicans and practiced wherever they believe they'll not be caught. It is what they did in Florida, in Bush v Gore, but there they got away with it once Gore folded.


I do not trust the nominating process, the gerrymandering / voter suppression, counting the vote, nor the courts willingness to support the will of the people over the will of empire.

Imagine if Bill Clinton had been impeached and convicted, removed from office and replaced by Gore. IMO Clinton should have been impeached and convicted; and Gore would have experienced time as POTUS probably brighter once Clinton was removed and then Gore could have won 2000 decisively (as opposed to won if protocols had been followed rather than disrupted, altered by USSC, and GWB installed with minor outrage).
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The presidency should be abolished

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:59 am

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It should have never been. Once the country numbered in the many tens of millions and ever more, an institution vesting executive power in a single office could no longer be in any real sense democratic. Let alone one with the Electoral College system, fused with all the tricks and compulsions and nonsenses of modern mass politics. As the state grew, the officeholder has largely become a symbolic dead hand on top of a self-perpetuating imperial bureaucracy running a global war machine and otherwise serving assorted interests of capital. Rotating from one mobster gang of non-entities adjusting but nver reversing the major policies to the next. That being said, long as a presidency exists, elections to it should be by majority of the voters. No kidding. That has been thwarted a number of times in history, dating back almost to the beginning.

In the modern age, the most severe case of proven rigging happened in 2000, and amounted to a coup d'etat, by fixing in Florida -- including an arranged riot by Republican operatives in Miami that now stands as the precursor to the Capitol putsch attempt -- and by unconstitutional judicial fiat to finish it off. We are still living with the direct consequences. From that time Greg Palast emerged as the most consistent crusading figure in exposing the varieties of fraud and suppression. The re-election of the Bush mob in 2004 appears to have the most evidence for electronic count fraud, but the only logical response to this potential open door for undetectable fraud will always be the same: paper ballots, hand-count, like those crazy British manage to do in a night.

Since the demise of formal Jim Crow, the party with the incentive (due to demographics and their reliance on identity politics, mainly), and with the proven record of election rigging by suppression of the vote, unlimited picayune legal maneuvers, and extreme gerrymandering, has been the Republicans. That isn't to say the Democrats are not corrupt, or never do any of the above -- on the contrary, they act in many ways to fix their primaries so as to keep the neoliberals and the donor class in command of the party and its money train, as their primary concern. But they don't need to rig general and national elections as badly as the Republicans do, nor do they have an interest in breaking the fake gridlock situation by winning too much. The historical record of the last 20 years shows them more often capitulating than fighting the obvious and frequent election frauds on behalf of Republican candidates in general elections.

The loser in votes of the 2016 election won thanks to the Electoral College system. In 2020, if not for Covid and the depression, and given the placeholder right-wing candidate and intentionally weak campaign of the Democrats, Trump might have won in a landslide. But by the fall it was almost certain he would be losing. You want to make something sinister out of how states responded to the pandemic panic by expanding possibilities for absentee voting under long-standing systems of mail ballot? Or out of how activists in places like Detroit and Philadelphia (gee, why do the Republicans target those in particular) successfully raised turnout and protected the right to vote, circumventing the decades-long practices of Republican voter suppression? It doesn't wash. Republicans weren't complaining about mail-in voting as long as the results of it were to their advantage. All of the "evidence" advanced here has been pathetic or misinterpreted.

Meanwhile, out in the open, where we all could hear it, Trump and his party promised to overturn the election if the counted results went against them. They ran a rolling, shambling, ever-improvising coup d'etat attempt, starting with the propaganda prep months before the election: they could not lose and any indication that they had lost could only be because of a hidden fraud, which would justify an uprising. After the election loss, after the last of the legal maneuvers failed, Trump tried a final move by inviting his militants to a rally he called and scheduled himself. Many at the rally were enlisted by fascist organizations and were willing insurgents. But the rally was Trump's show. He was the scriptwriter and producer. He and others there made speeches that we all can watch, telling those assembled to march to the Capitol and shut down the legislature so as to overturn the count, to make "a show of strength" and undergo "trial by combat" so that they could keep "their country."

Only by denying these open expressions of intent and the associated, big, non-secret events of the executive coup d'etat and Capitol Putsch attempt against the legislature can the pitiful case for fraud against Trump be sustained. Greg Palast's work the last couple of years has been in assisting the fight against voter suppression in Georgia -- by Republicans, mainly against black people. They have now returned with an even more vehement and broad legislative attack on the right to vote there and elsewhere. More than 200 bills to suppress voting have been introduced in a multitude of Republican-controlled states. It's rich to try to enlist Palast's work (and the suppression of it by the tech mafia, for their own reasons of mind control) on behalf of a FUD narrative that suggests the fix might have been against Trump.

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Re: The presidency should be abolished

Postby Spiro C. Thiery » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:44 pm

JackRiddler » 05 Mar 2021, 12:59 wrote:.
It's rich to try to enlist Palast's work (and the suppression of it by the tech mafia, for their own reasons of mind control) on behalf of a FUD narrative that suggests the fix might have been against Trump.
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Not that poorly informed bias is any excuse, but if one assumes ignorant good faith making assumptions via more recent events' blinders, maybe it was the hat.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:09 pm

Iamwhomiam » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:50 pm wrote:I'm sure I saw much of the Palast reveal quite awhile ago, Grizzly. After all was said and done, in the courts, the 198 voters, almost all Democrats, were reinstated. After all was said and done, in the courts, the 198 voters, almost all Democrats, were reinstated.This was a truly classic case of election fraud and voter suppreshey think they lision committed by Republicans and practiced wherever they believe they'll not be caught. It is what they did in Florida, in Bush v Gore, but there they got away with it once Gore folded.


I must apologize for omitting the word 'thousand' and for the confused following sentence. I meant to write: "After all was said and done, in the courts, the 198 thousand voters, almost all Democrats, were reinstated.

I hadn't noticed my thumb had touched the touchpad while typing, which moved the cursor. I meant to write, "This was a truly classic case of election fraud and voter suppression committed by Republicans and practiced wherever they believe they'll not be caught. It is what they did in Florida, in Bush v Gore, but there they got away with it once Gore folded."

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Iamwhomiam » Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:50 pm wrote:I'm sure I saw much of the Palast reveal quite awhile ago, Grizzly. After all was said and done, in the courts, the 198 voters, almost all Democrats, were reinstated. This was a truly classic case of election fraud and voter suppreshey think they lision committed by Republicans and practiced wherever they believe they'll not be caught. It is what they did in Florida, in Bush v Gore, but there they got away with it once Gore folded.


I do not trust the nominating process, the gerrymandering / voter suppression, counting the vote, nor the courts willingness to support the will of the people over the will of empire.

Imagine if Bill Clinton had been impeached and convicted, removed from office and replaced by Gore. IMO Clinton should have been impeached and convicted; and Gore would have experienced time as POTUS probably brighter once Clinton was removed and then Gore could have won 2000 decisively (as opposed to won if protocols had been followed rather than disrupted, altered by USSC, and GWB installed with minor outrage).


Hi PufPuf. As an unaffiliated voter I only observe. I think one mistaken if they believe the courts have ever held the good will of the people over empire. Of course, there always will be rebels who might once in a rare while. As to me imagining such as you present, I just can't. It's an exercise in futility. However, I can assure you if I were to imagine a better future, neither Clinton nor Gore would be mentioned. When I do take time to imagine a better world none of the things you do not trust seem to not exist any longer.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:55 pm

JackRiddler » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:18 pm wrote:
Belligerent Savant » Sat Feb 06, 2021 2:10 pm wrote:.

And I don't just subscribe but witnessed in real time, as did all who aren't blinding themselves, how said Trump, seeing he was likely to lose, publicly initiated a back-up plan for a coup d'etat against the predictable election result months in advance.


Come on, bruh. How much longer you gonna hold that line? I will go on the record here and say: I simply do not accept that these were Trump's true intentions. I do agree that he was playing a role, however.

There was no 'coup'.
Where were the demands?
Where's the manifesto?
Did they sit in protest for hours+ once they got in the Capitol? Did they take any hostages?


Stop. Just stop. You're not even reading what I wrote. You're just reacting reflexively, and in defense of or trivialization of the fascist mob who were simply the tail-end of the coup. The coup was a public matter for months, announced and attempted, and run by Trump and his inside mob (not by the fascist invitees to the Trump rally in DC, who were used as the final move once all else had failed or been mis-executed).

What was the demand? That, no matter what the results were, Trump wins. What's the manifesto? Whatever he'd say and do after that. You're apparently not simple-minded enough to understand this style of politics?

Was it real on his part, or was he an actor throughout in some larger script to have him fall and thus justify the aftermath? I admit both are possibilities. Do I fucking care? Why do you? If it was the latter, he was what, the Marvel/DC supervillain? So you go to the movie and root for that?

Please, either read what I write and reply to that if you want, or ignore it and don't reply to it. Okay?

JackRiddler » Sat Feb 06, 2021 1:56 pm wrote:
Belligerent Savant » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:52 pm wrote:.

Anyone here still subscribing to the notion 2020 results were legitimate?

They are increasingly overt in the psych warfare/mindf#ckery.

Whatever the agenda may be for 2021+, it appears Trump was not the preferred option as PR for Empire.


No results were legitimate. Certainly not 2016, or 2000. Or 1968, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2004, or 2012. One can argue for 1976 and 2008 as being merely deceptive, rather than illegitimate. (Most of these elections were "legitimate" under the rules and as counts of which one of the pre-ordained duopoly miscreants got the better part of the vote, but otherwise vast jokes for a thousand reasons we will all be familiar with.)

That being said...

Yes, I don't just subscribe, but I am certain of the proposition that after the March 2020 primary coup, which was engineered against Sanders by the DNC & Co. to install their right-wing placeholder, this ancient walking miracle Biden-husk then got more real human votes, and more electoral votes, legally, "legitimately," than did Trump. In my opinion this was thanks not to anything the DNC did (they were set up to lose, as usual) but to Covid, the Covid-enabled reactions, the Depression, and a hellacious GOTV effort run largely by people on the actual, electoral left, who aren't mentioned in the highly selective TIME write-up cum PR piece for Catalist.

Said Trump, in turn, had been installed by the corporate media with a bit of naive DNC help as the RNC candidate in 2016,* and won then thanks to voter suppression and presumably state-level fraud, as well as the absurdist Electoral College system. ( * In truth, he certainly ran an excellent campaign of giving the Republican base exactly what they wanted to hear.) Live by the fix...

And this Trump is a member as well as representative of the smash-and-plunder segment of billionaire capital, while Biden is a representative of the self-styled "establishment" corporate segment of billionaire capital that prefers to disguise smash-and-plunder as a stable system of exploitation, as if anything about it is still stable. Both members and servants of different segments within the same ruling class. And they're both equally neoliberal, although one is multilateral about it and the other is straight nationalist-protectionist, in highly selective fashion that favors its own segments of capital. And they're both roughly equally imperialist and belligerent mass murderers, with some differences that may matter to Iranians or Cubans, depending on what decisions are made in the next few months.

And I don't just subscribe but witnessed in real time, as did all who aren't blinding themselves, how said Trump, seeing he was likely to lose, publicly initiated a back-up plan for a coup d'etat against the predictable election result months in advance. Is this worse than bombing Yemen, or starving Venezuela and Iran, or accelerating the burning of the planet, or mass incarceration, or all the rest of the routine as well as occasionally unexpected actions of the U.S. government under Trump and others? Really not the point! It was something bound to make everything worse in such an obvious way that even some of the billionaire beneficiaries of the Trump tax cuts cared enough to be mobilized against it, on a one-time basis.

Trump and his crew then failed to execute his open, public plan to overturn his predictable (if disturbingly close) election loss on the details. And then, just to underline for you just what he was about, he made a final move, as the executive of the government, of ordering a mob of his supporters (many of them organized by fascist groups), whom he had personally invited to a DC rally, to go shut down the legislature. An American-style coup enactment, in Washington. Many of them, in turn, wanted to murder as many legislators as they could get their hands on. Or at least they said so, and I don't see why they should be disbelieved, but you'll find excuses for them I'm sure. Was it ever going to work? Who cares, is that a fucking excuse? Some of you seem to think it was a fucking understandable rebellion by some random rabble. As if their leader was not the fucking president in office. Speaking to them. At a rally.

I read the TIME article in full yesterday. As did we all. (We being the kind of patsies who post here, instead of somewhere else.) I can't believe everyone falling for it as if it's some kind of revelation of a "conspiracy" (especially since it even uses the word). It describes shit that's done by the money in every election--legally, since money purchasing elections was made legal long ago. It omits the concurrent Republican money-machinations for Trump. It is basically an extremely self-important, self-hyping, extended PR piece for a DNC consultant, claiming he was the real, secret star of the election and savior of "democracy" in America. More contracts for him.

Meanwhile, in the minor schadenfreude department, at least the Lincoln Project is going down in beautiful flames.

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Some recent updates of note Re: the incident at the Capitol back in January.

First, via Politico, for lack of a better offhand source:


Many Capitol rioters unlikely to serve jail time



The cases could embarrass the Biden administration, which has portrayed the Jan. 6 siege as a dire threat to democracy.

03/30/2021

Americans outraged by the storming of Capitol Hill are in for a jarring reality check: Many of those who invaded the halls of Congress on Jan. 6 are likely to get little or no jail time.

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The prospect of dozens of Jan. 6 rioters cutting deals for minor sentences could be hard to explain for the Biden administration, which has characterized the Capitol Hill mob as a uniquely dangerous threat. Before assuming office, Biden said the rioters’ attempt to overturn the election results by force “borders on sedition”; Attorney General Merrick Garland has called the prosecutions his top early priority, describing the storming of Congress as “a heinous attack that sought to disrupt a cornerstone of our democracy, the peaceful transfer of power to a newly elected government.”

Justice Department prosecutors sent expectations sky-high in early statements and court filings, describing elaborate plots to murder lawmakers — descriptions prosecutors have tempered as new details emerged.

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And prosecutors are facing pressure from judges to either back up their tough talk about sedition or put a lid on it. Michael Sherwin, the former lead Jan. 6 prosecutor, found himself rebuked by other senior prosecutors and Judge Amit Mehta last week for publicly flirting with the possibility of sedition charges when none had actually been leveled.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/3 ... ime-478440

The article is heavily sprinkled with various poisoned well/mainstream pap narratives, but the above largely covers the gist of it, though they still insist on using the word "siege" in the sub-heading. No real surprise there.

And then there's this side-story involving Glenn Greenwald and an 'intern' at USA Today.

Here's the comment from Greenwald:

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The sample response (there were more egregious examples out there):

One of media’s most prominent reporters decides to lead online crusade against an intern
Does Glenn Greenwald have anything better to do?

Fresh off his feud with a top New York Times reporter, journalist Glenn Greenwald ... decided to go after an intern who co-bylined her first feature for USA Today. Truly, the noblest of causes from a man dedicated to fighting the righteous fight.

Over the past several months, Greenwald has been tweeting and blogging about what he sees as the demise of earnest “truth to power reporting,” believing that journalists, in his words, have become little more than “hall monitors” who are trying to police speech and thought online.

And while he’s called out big names in tech reporting for this behavior, this weekend he punched down. Way down.

Yesterday, Brenna Smith published her first story as an intern with USA Today. She reported on Capitol riot suspects crowdfunding to help pay legal bills. These suspects include a neo-Nazi using Cash App.

Smith’s story covers how Capitol riot insurrectionists, forced off of mainstream platforms, are turning to lesser-known platforms—some of which embrace the far-right and others that make half-hearted efforts to abide by their terms of service.

Although the article had nothing to do with Greenwald, he took issue with it. He publicly chided Smith for using her new platform to write a piece that just so happened to be Greenwald’s particular bugaboo.


https://www.dailydot.com/debug/glenn-gr ... ntern-ran/

Note the blatant framing attempts.
This is instructive, the manner in which sentiment is stoked and conditioning is set. Self-described 'leftists', or otherwise passive consumers of daily news media, dutifully comply.

Greenwald may or may not be a gatekeeper -- jury's still out -- but the blatant manipulation of groupthink by standard news outlets shouldn't be surprising at this point.


As for this 'intern', here's a snapshot of her LinkedIn profile:

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Spooky, eh?

Subtlety is no longer needed, apparently.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:58 am

Come on, bruh. How much longer you gonna hold that line? I will go on the record here and say: I simply do not accept that these were Trump's true intentions. I do agree that he was playing a role, however.


Absent any hard evidence otherwise, I am going to assume that Trump's actions illustrate his intentions, and I do not hold that there can be any sensible argument about what his actions showed on Jan. 6, or frankly, any other day of his presidency.
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Yeah, what metalgongfu2 says!

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:57 am

(Just one post above.)

Also, don't call me bruh. Is your italicizer on the fritz?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:29 am

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Ha - that's my attempt to appropriate hipster-urban disaffected white male speak. I figured you'd appreciate it.

For whatever it's worth -- very little, as my typed words here have zero impact -- i am doubling down on my prior position on this Capitol incident: it was yet another event, not an attempt at insurrection or siege.

(There goes my italics key again)


To borrow one of JR's trademark words, as it's a wholly accurate descriptor: kayfabe. So much of everything in the news over the past year is far more kayfabe than genuine.
What makes it so compelling is these kayfabe events always have a fair share of unwitting rubes and scapegoats to keep even the otherwise sharp observers misdirected.

It's become markedly more brazen over the past ~year, however: virus-related hysterics and repressive measures (the restrictions are very real, of course, but the gross misrepresentation of the lethality of this virus has been outright criminal), questionable election results, riots stoked and inflamed by intel agitators (i'm including the BLM-related activities when i mention 'riots').

They're not even working too hard to mask it anymore (pun intended).

Those that disagree can revisit this with me in 2 yrs time with the benefit of hindsight.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Apr 03, 2021 7:03 am

Belligerent Savant » Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:29 am wrote:For whatever it's worth -- very little, as my typed words here have zero impact -- i am doubling down on my prior position on this Capitol incident: it was yet another event, not an attempt at insurrection or siege.


You still have never acknowledged this, and make me repeat it every time: The attempt to shut down the legislature was the intended outcome of a rally that the executive, President Trump himself, called, through repeated public invitations, and that he incited to take action, in a public speech that you can rewatch any time you like; and that ended with him sending the gathered mob off to the Capitol with marching orders. It came as the last move left in a months-long series of attempts by the executive and his circle to overturn the election that this executive lost (beginning before the election, in anticipation of the result). That means Jan 6 was part of an unsuccessful coup attempt, led by the holder of the executive office and his circle through public actions, and targeted, once all other means had failed, at suspending the legislature. (That, the part you never acknowledge, was in bold, and the rest is in parenthesis for a reason. The bolded part is true independently of how one may prefer to describe, or in your case trivialize, the violent activity of Jan 6 itself. It is independent of whether the coup attempt was competently managed, or had any chance of working. It is independent of who every last dumbfuck in that mob was, how they understood what they were doing, or which of the several movement-fascist organizations involved in the rally may have recruited them to come. It is independent of how dangerous the emergence of movement fascism in this country is. It is independent of whether and how agents of law enforcement had infiltrated these elements, or assisted their entry into the Capitol, although that is vital to investigate and prosecute, which is unlikely to happen. And it is independent of how other actors may have responded to the event, or are exploiting the aftermath for different nefarious purposes.)
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:14 pm

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I'll have to expound on this further another time, but some of the details surrounding the event on Jan. 6th are simply not as depicted by the media, which underpins my position.

A few prelim data points.

First, I didn't read anything in Trump's speech that explicitly called for, or hinted, at insurrection, but welcome specific quotes that may help.

As I've mentioned before, I believe Trump is a willing player; by this I mean: he certainly knew what he was doing that day, and how it would help FRAME NARRATIVES TO FOLLOW, but not because he wanted to "forcefully" take back his presidency. That, to me, seems a cartoonish narrative, in an increasingly cartoonish/post-satire world. He was doing his part, playing his role: controlled opposition for his demo.

Here's an excerpt of the tail-end of his speech:

Our brightest days are before us, our greatest achievements still wait. I think one of our great achievements will be election security because nobody, until I came along, had any idea how corrupt our elections were. And again, most people would stand there at 9:00 in the evening and say, ‘I want to thank you very much,’ and they go off to some other life, but I said, ‘Something’s wrong here. Something’s really wrong. Can’t have happened.’ And we fight. We fight like Hell and if you don’t fight like Hell, you’re not going to have a country any more.

Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavours have not yet begun. My fellow Americans for our movement, for our children and for our beloved country and I say this, despite all that’s happened, the best is yet to come.

So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we’re going to the Capitol and we’re going to try and give … The Democrats are hopeless. They’re never voting for anything, not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I want to thank you all. God bless you and God bless America. Thank you all for being here, this is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.


Some bold rhetoric, which is not uncommon, but nothing that tells me he's inciting a 'riot'.

The intel ops involvement on that day can not be diminished, nor the egregious framing by the media (which is now par for the course, for all events of note).

A few breadcrumbs/bits of info, some of which I already shared previously in this thread or elsewhere. With respect to those that lost their lives that day:

...here are the five people who died that day:

1. Ashil Babbitt, (decorated senior security forces 12 year Air Force veteran) shot by an unnamed Capitol Hill police officer.
2. Benjamin Phillips 50, “died of a stroke,” according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylva ... 10107.html
3. Kevin Greeson, 55, had a “history of high blood pressure and suffered a heart attack” according to his family. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tr ... e-n1253400
4. Rosanne Boylan, 34, The chief medical examiner of Washington, D.C., said ‘Boyland’s cause and manner of death are “pending”’. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/15/us/r ... death.html
5. Officer Brian Sicknick, not struck by a fire extinguisher, despite what you’ve heard—the ME reports no “blunt force trauma”. https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/politics ... index.html

Now look at this headline: Capitol riots: Names of people killed during Washington DC siege released:

While Ashil Babbit, 35, was shot and killed during the riots, three others died from “medical emergencies” [i.e., Benjamin Phillips 50, Kevin Greeson, 55, Rosanne Boylan, 34.] Asked whether the three who died of medical emergencies were part of the storming of the capitol, Mr Contee said he couldn’t specify if the three were actively part of the riots or entered the building. There were a lot of people on the grounds of the Capitol yesterday and I guess the extent that we can say right now is that they were on the grounds of the Capitol when they experienced their medical emergencies,” Mr Contee said.


Notice how the headline contradicts what the article reports?

Here is CNN quietly reporting on the findings of the Medical Examiners that contradict the narrative that they’ve been pushing for a month:

According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true.


And here’s what his family says:

Capitol Officer’s Family Asks Media to Not Politicize His Death as Evidence Begins to Point to an Underlying Medical Condition

“He texted me last night and said, ‘I got pepper-sprayed twice,’ and he was in good shape,” said Ken Sicknick. “Apparently he collapsed in the Capitol and they resuscitated him using CPR.”

The site said that on Thursday, family members were told that the officer had a blood clot and suffered a stroke and was on a ventilator.


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Because of the prevalence of veterans employed by private security companies, it’s just a good idea to look closely at Ashli Babbit’s background:

The Air Force on Thursday confirmed that Babbitt, who served under the name Ashli Elizabeth McEntee, was a security forces airman who achieved the rank of senior airman, or E-4, while on active duty. According to service records released by the Air Force Personnel Center, Babbitt served more than 12 years in different parts of the Air Force. . . . 12 years in the Air Force – 6 years of those as a “Capital Guardian” tasked with “civil disturbance missions” in DC: The New York Times reports she was assigned to a unit based near Washington [DC] that is known as the “Capital Guardians” as their primary missions was defending the city. In what the Air Force calls “civil disturbance missions,” security forces in the squadron regularly train with riot shields and clubs, the report explains. As per an Air Force spokeswoman, she was deployed twice more, to the United Arab Emirates in 2012 and 2014.


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From a parapolitical perspective, it is not unreasonable to consider the possibility of a number of covert groups running multiple operations that day: Provocateurs? Perhaps. Also, any number of people, including those on the job, tasked with a “civil disturbance mission” plus others – foreign, domestic, public, private intelligence entities, interested in getting into those Capitol Hill offices for a wee scrounge. In which case, the actual Trump-supporting protestors—the ones who were that—were just the idiots used for cover.

https://auticulture.com/ufos-on-capitol-hill/


Has there even been confirmation of Babbit's shooter? This article here claims it was a Capitol Police Officer, never named:

https://timesofsandiego.com/crime/2021/ ... -on-leave/

A U.S. Capitol Police officer who fatally shot a San Diego woman during an insurgent raid on the halls of Congress was on administrative leave Thursday pending investigations into the gunfire.
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Sund said the unidentified officer who shot Babbitt was placed on administrative leave, per department policy, and the officer’s police powers have been suspended. The Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department is also investigating the shooting.



As I previously indicated here , I watched the video of the shooting. There was NO warning uttered by the 'officer' before he pulled the trigger (though others in the area saw the gun drawn and called it out), and the supposed officer was shielded from view (from the angle of the video clip the shooter appeared to be purposely hiding within a door entry, and was aiming his gun for several pronounced seconds before firing; Babbit was not approaching the shooter -- likely had no idea the shooter was nearby -- nor was there any indication from the clip that Babbit posed any immediate threat), at least from the angle available when the video was filmed.

Here's my comments from back in January Re: the shooter and the related video clip:

Belligerent Savant » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:04 am wrote:.

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https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-new ... insurgence


Utah activist claims he was just documenting US Capitol insurgence

A Utah resident who was among those who breached the US Capitol Wednesday says he was there solely to document the event.

John Sullivan, a civil rights activist, claims he attended the protest and broke into the Capitol along with Trump supporters only as a way to give a true view of what was occurring.

"I was there to record," said Sullivan in a video posted to Periscope Friday. "I was there to let people see that situation in the best possible way."

Sullivan is the founder of Insurgence USA, an activist group formed after the killing of George Floyd in the summer of 2020.

Sullivan said he was near Ashli Babbitt when she was shot and killed in the Capitol building, but being able to show her death was why he was in DC.

"How would you have a clear vision of this woman getting shot by this officer that was in there and she was dying?" asks Sullivan in the video. "What proof or evidence, other than body cam video that can be easily deleted."

"This is what everyone needed to see."

Sullivan goes on to say his documentation disproves those who claim Antifa members dressed as Trump supporters were actually the ones who invaded the building.

"In my footage, clear as day, Antifa is not out there doing that." said Sullivan, who added that he is not a member of Antifa.

In June, Sullivan was arrested for organizing a protest in Provo where a person was shot.



AND:
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/1/7/2 ... r-sullivan


John Sullivan claims he entered Capitol during rally only to document event, but his own video shows him encouraging others as they rioted


A Utah activist who faces criminal charges in connection with a Provo protest he organized in June claims he attended a pro-Trump rally that turned into a violent attack on the U.S. Capitol in order to see “the truth” about the protests for himself and the organization he represents.

Sullivan, who is the founder of Insurgence USA, a social justice group that calls itself anti-fascist and protests police brutality, was detained by Washington police for about an hour and a half Thursday night, a day after he talked to local and national media about what he witnessed Wednesday.

some of the 40-minute video he posted to his social media sites contradicts his assertion that he and another woman were “only filming” the actions and not participating as he can be heard in the video encouraging people to join them as they push their way through police barricades.

Just after people broke into the building, Sullivan — wearing a gas mask and wielding an iPhone on a stabilizing stick — and a woman who said Wednesday that she was making a documentary on Sullivan, are on the first porch area outside the entrance looking back over the throngs of people around the Capitol. They can be heard encouraging people to climb the wall, saying, “Come on. Let’s go!”

Others, wearing Trump gear and carrying various flags, are shouting the same and helping people over the stone or marble railing around the section of Capitol steps.

He can be heard saying, “We’re all part of this (expletive) history” as they enter the rotunda around 15 minutes in, and he says to his companion, “2021! (expletive) This is insanity. I am shook. What is this? What is this painting, you know? King (expletive) bro (expletive)!”

He exchanges social media information with another man, and then he and the filmmaker talk about what they’re witnessing.

“Is this not going to be the best film you’ve ever made in your life?” he says. “Dude, I was trying to tell you. I couldn’t say much.”

On Friday, Sullivan insisted that he didn’t encourage violence or vandalism.

When asked about some of the things he said during the 40-minute video, he said, “When you’re in a massive crowd like that, you have to blend in.”

The riot was not an impromptu act, Sullivan said.

“As far as them storming the Capitol, I knew that was going to happen,” he said. “I’m on chats that are underground that are sending out flyers that are just like, ‘Storm all Capitols on the 6th.’ It wasn’t anything that was secret. It was something that was out there ... and they did it.”

After making his way inside the Capitol during the riot, Sullivan said he witnessed the shooting death of protester Ashli Babbitt, and the Twitter account for Insurgence USA retweeted video from someone with Sullivan that shows the shooting and the aftermath.

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And here he is on CNN. Quite a bit of media/news content dedicated to this person, eh?

Any 'patriot'/Trumpsters receive such air time? I wouldn't know offhand as i don't watch network news.



He was just "documenting".

Note, at least at one point in the clip, Anderson Cooper refers to the gathering as 'protesters' and then quickly corrects himself and subsequently calls them 'rioters'.

Lastly: I viewed the video clip of the shooting -- the version reportedly recorded by the person filming with Sullivan. The angle does not make clear if the shooter was indeed an officer. More to the point, audio did NOT pick up any warning by the shooter before the shot was fired, but others nearby yelled 'gun!' several times. Anyone else happen across the video?

Has the 'officer' been ID'd yet?



Ample indications there is markedly more to the story than whatever is presented by Empire's propaganda arms.

Also: as cited in a prior posting, it appears there will be minimal, if any, jail time for the alleged insurrectionists.
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:57 pm

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Okay, so you're going to devote yourself to full-on apologetics and Republican legalist-style sophistry about how the walking duck was not a duck -- as well as complete de-contextualization from what the duck was doing in the weeks and months before, how the duck had called and invited the mob, what factions of U.S. society he had openly appointed himself the de facto commander of, issuing orders to them live on television. Nah, all harmless. Misunderstood.

So here's the full fucking speech for you to parse and subject to literary analysis, so you can continue putting on to yourself that the duck was not actually a wolf.

And after that, Giuliani's ('trial by combat').

And then there is the matter of the Twitter messages and the two video statements to his troops put out by Trump during the actual carnage this motherfucker had intentionally, wittingly unleashed, using a mob of literal fascist groups.

Your friend, not that terrible government in the Congress, but that misunderstood fellow traveler of yours who was merely the sitting president. And those poor misunderstood citizens on their way to peacefully protest injustice -- literally hoping to suspend the Congress on behalf of the president! They were deluded into thinking it was like, a people's uprising, man.

But never mind what's evident from these texts. You have more 'breadcrumbs' to discover, foundation enough for veritable castles.

Well, thank you very much. This is incredible.

Media will not show the magnitude of this crowd. Even I, when I turned on today, I looked, and I saw thousands of people here. But you don't see hundreds of thousands of people behind you because they don't want to show that.

We have hundreds of thousands of people here and I just want them to be recognized by the fake news media. Turn your cameras please and show what's really happening out here because these people are not going to take it any longer. They're not going to take it any longer. Go ahead. Turn your cameras, please. Would you show? They came from all over the world, actually, but they came from all over our country.

I just really want to see what they do. I just want to see how they covered. I've never seen anything like it. But it would be really great if we could be covered fairly by the media. The media is the biggest problem we have as far as I'm concerned, single biggest problem. The fake news and the Big tech.

Big tech is now coming into their own. We beat them four years ago. We surprised them. We took them by surprise and this year they rigged an election. They rigged it like they've never rigged an election before. And by the way, last night they didn't do a bad job either if you notice.

I'm honest. And I just, again, I want to thank you. It's just a great honor to have this kind of crowd and to be before you and hundreds of thousands of American patriots who are committed to the honesty of our elections and the integrity of our glorious republic.

All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they're doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That's what they've done and what they're doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved.

Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal. Today I will lay out just some of the evidence proving that we won this election and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election.

You know, I say, sometimes jokingly, but there's no joke about it: I've been in two elections. I won them both and the second one, I won much bigger than the first. OK. Almost 75 million people voted for our campaign, the most of any incumbent president by far in the history of our country, 12 million more people than four years ago.

And I was told by the real pollsters — we do have real pollsters — they know that we were going to do well and we were going to win. What I was told, if I went from 63 million, which we had four years ago, to 66 million, there was no chance of losing. Well, we didn't go to 66, we went to 75 million, and they say we lost. We didn't lose.

And by the way, does anybody believe that Joe had 80 million votes? Does anybody believe that? He had 80 million computer votes. It's a disgrace. There's never been anything like that. You could take third-world countries. Just take a look. Take third-world countries. Their elections are more honest than what we've been going through in this country. It's a disgrace. It's a disgrace.

Even when you look at last night. They're all running around like chickens with their heads cut off with boxes. Nobody knows what the hell is going on. There's never been anything like this.

We will not let them silence your voices. We're not going to let it happen, I'm not going to let it happen.

(Audience chants: "Fight for Trump.")

Thank you.

And I'd love to have if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed. The military, the secret service. And we want to thank you and the police law enforcement. Great. You're doing a great job. But I'd love it if they could be allowed to come up here with us. Is that possible? Can you just let him come up, please?

And Rudy, you did a great job. He's got guts. You know what? He's got guts, unlike a lot of people in the Republican Party. He's got guts. He fights, he fights.

And I'll tell you. Thank you very much, John. Fantastic job. I watched. That's a tough act to follow, those two. John is one of the most brilliant lawyers in the country, and he looked at this and he said, "What an absolute disgrace that this can be happening to our Constitution."

And he looked at Mike Pence, and I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so.

Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We're supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution.

States want to revote. The states got defrauded. They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.

And I actually, I just spoke to Mike. I said: "Mike, that doesn't take courage. What takes courage is to do nothing. That takes courage." And then we're stuck with a president who lost the election by a lot and we have to live with that for four more years. We're just not going to let that happen.

Many of you have traveled from all across the nation to be here, and I want to thank you for the extraordinary love. That's what it is. There's never been a movement like this, ever, ever. For the extraordinary love for this amazing country, and this amazing movement, thank you.

(Audience chants: "We love Trump.")

By the way, this goes all the way back past the Washington Monument. You believe this? Look at this. That is. Unfortunately gave, they gave the press the prime seats. I can't stand that.

No. But you look at that behind. I wish they'd flip those cameras and look behind you. That is the most amazing sight. When they make a mistake, you get to see it on television. Amazing. Amazing. All the way back.

And don't worry, we will not take the name off the Washington Monument. We will not cancel culture.

You know they wanted to get rid of the Jefferson Memorial. Either take it down or just put somebody else in there. I don't think that's going to happen. It damn well better not. Although, with this administration, if this happens, it could happen. You'll see some really bad things happen.

They'll knock out Lincoln too, by the way. They've been taking his statue down. But then we signed a little law. You hurt our monuments, you hurt our heroes, you go to jail for 10 years, and everything stopped. You notice that? It stopped. It all stopped.

And they could use Rudy back in New York City. Rudy. They could use you. Your city's going to hell. They want Rudy Giuliani back in New York. We'll get a little younger version of Rudy. Is that OK, Rudy?

We're gathered together in the heart of our nation's capital for one very, very basic and simple reason: To save our democracy.

You know most candidates on election evening and, of course, this thing goes on so long. They still don't have any idea what the votes are. We still have congressional seats under review. They have no idea. They've totally lost control. They've used the pandemic as a way of defrauding the people in a proper election.

But you know, you know, when you see this and when you see what's happening. Number one, they all say, "Sir, we'll never let it happen again." I said, "That's good. But what about eight weeks ago?" You know they try and get you to go.

They said, "Sir, in four years, you're guaranteed." I said: "I'm not interested right now. Do me a favor, go back eight weeks. I want to go back eight weeks. Let's go back eight weeks."

We want to go back and we want to get this right because we're going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed and we're not going to stand for that.

For years, Democrats have gotten away with election fraud and weak Republicans. And that's what they are. There's so many weak Republicans. And we have great ones. Jim Jordan and some of these guys, they're out there fighting. The House guys are fighting. But it's, it's incredible.

Many of the Republicans, I helped them get in, I helped them get elected. I helped Mitch get elected. I helped. I could name 24 of them, let's say, I won't bore you with it. And then all of a sudden you have something like this. It's like, "Oh gee, maybe I'll talk to the president sometime later." No, it's amazing.

They're weak Republicans, they're pathetic Republicans and that's what happens.

If this happened to the Democrats, there'd be hell all over the country going on. There'd be hell all over the country. But just remember this: You're stronger, you're smarter, you've got more going than anybody. And they try and demean everybody having to do with us. And you're the real people, you're the people that built this nation. You're not the people that tore down our nation.

The weak Republicans, and that's it. I really believe it. I think I'm going to use the term, the weak Republicans. You've got a lot of them. And you got a lot of great ones. But you got a lot of weak ones. They've turned a blind eye, even as Democrats enacted policies that chipped away our jobs, weakened our military, threw open our borders and put America last.

Did you see the other day where Joe Biden said, I want to get rid of the America First policy? What's that all about? Get rid of. How do you say I want to get rid of America First? Even if you're going to do it, don't talk about it, right? Unbelievable what we have to go through. What we have to go through.

And you have to get your people to fight. And if they don't fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don't fight. You primary them. We're going to. We're going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly.

But this year, using the pretext of the China virus and the scam of mail-in ballots, Democrats attempted the most brazen and outrageous election theft and there's never been anything like this. So pure theft in American history. Everybody knows it.

That election, our election was over at 10 o'clock in the evening. We're leading Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia, by hundreds of thousands of votes.

And then late in the evening, or early in the morning, boom, these explosions of bull****.

And all of a sudden. All of a sudden it started to happen.

(Audience chants: "Bull****.")

Don't forget when Romney got beat. Romney, hey. Did you see his? I wonder if he enjoyed his flight in last night. But when Romney got beaten, you know, he stands up like you're more typical, "Well, I'd like to congratulate the victor." The victor? Who is the victor, Mitt? "I'd like to congratulate." They don't go and look at the facts. No, I don't know. He got, he got slaughtered. Probably, maybe it was OK, maybe it was. But that's what happened.

But we look at the facts and our election was so corrupt that in the history of this country we've never seen anything like it. You can go all the way back.

You know, America is blessed with elections. All over the world they talk about our elections. You know what the world says about us now? They said, we don't have free and fair elections.

And you know what else? We don't have a free and fair press. Our media is not free, it's not fair. It suppresses thought, it suppresses speech and it's become the enemy of the people. It's become the enemy of the people. It's the biggest problem we have in this country.

No third-world countries would even attempt to do what we caught them doing. And you'll hear about that in just a few minutes.

Republicans are, Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It's like a boxer. And we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. And we're going to have to fight much harder.

And Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a, a sad day for our country because you're sworn to uphold our Constitution.

Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down, and I'll be there with you, we're going to walk down, we're going to walk down.

Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol, and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.

Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated.

I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.

Today we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections. But whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time. Far longer than this four-year period. We've set it on a much greater course. So much, and we, I thought, you know, four more years. I thought it would be easy.

We've created the greatest economy in history. We rebuilt our military. We get you the biggest tax cuts in history. Right? We got you the biggest regulation cuts. There's no president, whether it's four years, eight years or in one case more, got anywhere near the regulation cuts.

Used to take 20 years to get a highway approved, now we're down to two. I want to get it down to one, but we're down to two. And it may get rejected for environmental or safety reasons, but we got it down to safety.

We created Space Force, We, we, we. Look at what we did. Our military has been totally rebuilt. So we create Space Force which, by and of itself, is a major achievement for an administration. And with us it's one of so many different things.

Right to Try. Everybody know about Right to Try. We did things that nobody ever thought possible. We took care of our vets, our vets. The VA now has the highest rating, 91%. The highest rating that it's had from the beginning, 91% approval rating. Always, you watch the VA, it was on television every night, people living in a horrible, horrible manner. We got that done. We got accountability done. We got it so that now in the VA, you don't have to wait for four weeks, six weeks, eight weeks, four months to see a doctor. If you can't get a doctor, you go outside, you get the doctor. You have it taken care of and we pay the doctor.

And we've not only made life wonderful for so many people, we've saved tremendous amounts of money, far secondarily, but we've saved a lot of money. And now we have the right to fire bad people in the VA. We had 9,000 people that treated our veterans horribly. In primetime, they would not have treated our veterans badly. But they treated our veterans horribly.

And we have what's called the account, VA Accountability Act. And the accountability says if we see somebody in there that doesn't treat our vets well or they steal, they rob, they do things badly, we say: "Joe you're fired. Get out of here." Before you couldn't do that. You couldn't do that before.

So we've taken care of things, we've done things like nobody's ever thought possible. And that's part of the reason that many people don't like us, because we've done too much.

But we've done it quickly and we were going to sit home and watch a big victory and everybody had us down for a victory. It was going to be great and now we're out here fighting. I said to somebody, I was going to take a few days and relax after our big electoral victory. 10 o'clock it was over. But I was going to take a few days.

And I can say this. Since our election, I believe, which was such a catastrophe, when I watch. And even these guys knew what happened. They know what happened. They're saying: "Wow, Pennsylvania's insurmountable. Wow, Wisconsin." Look at the big leads we had, right. Even though the press said we would lose Wisconsin by 17 points. Even though the press said, Ohio's going to be close, we set a record; Florida's going to be close, we set a record; Texas is going to be close, Texas is going to be close, we set a record.

And we set a record with Hispanic, with the Black community, we set a record with everybody.

Today we see a very important event though. Because right over there, right there, we see the event going to take place. And I'm going to be watching. Because history is going to be made. We're going to see whether or not we have great and courageous leaders, or whether or not we have leaders that should be ashamed of themselves throughout history, throughout eternity they'll be ashamed.

And you know what? If they do the wrong thing, we should never, ever forget that they did. Never forget. We should never ever forget.

With only three of the seven states in question, we win the presidency of the United States. And by the way, it's much more important today than it was 24 hours ago, because I don't. I spoke to David Perdue, what a great person, and Kelly Loeffler, two great people, but it was a setup.

And you know, I said, "We have no backline anymore." The only backline, the only line of demarcation, the only line that we have is the veto of the president of the United States. So this is now, what we're doing, a far more important election than it was two days ago.

I want to thank the more than 140 members of the House. Those are warriors. They're over there working like you've never seen before. Studying, talking, actually going all the way back, studying the roots of the Constitution, because they know we have the right to send a bad vote that was illegally gotten.

They gave these people bad things to vote for and they voted because what did they know? And then when they found out a few weeks later, again, it took them four years to devise this screen.

And the only unhappy person in the United States, single most unhappy, is Hillary Clinton. Because she said: "Why didn't you do this for me four years ago? Why didn't you do this for me four years ago? Change the votes, 10,000 in Michigan. You could have changed the whole thing." But she's not too happy. You know, you don't see her anymore. What happened? Where's Hillary? Where is she?

But I want to thank all of those congressmen and women. I also want to thank our 13, most courageous members of the U.S. Senate. Senator Ted Cruz, Senator Ron Johnson, Senator Josh Hawley, Kelly Loeffler.

And Kelly Loeffler, I'll tell you, she has been, she's been so great. She worked so hard. So let's give her and David a little special hand because it was rigged against them. Let's give her and David.

Kelly Loeffler, David Purdue. They fought a good race. They never had a shot. That equipment should never have been allowed to be used, and I was telling these people don't let him use this stuff.

Marsha Blackburn, terrific person. Mike Braun, Indiana. Steve Daines, great guy. Bill Hagerty, John Kennedy, James Lankford, Cynthia Lummis, Tommy Tuberville, the coach, and Roger Marshall. We want to thank them. Senators that stepped up, we want to thank them.

I actually think though, it takes, again, more courage not to step up, and I think a lot of those people are going to find that out and you better start looking at your leadership, because your leadership has led you down the tubes.

You know, we don't want to give $2,000 to people. We want to give them $600. Oh, great. How does that play politically? Pretty good? And this has nothing to do with politics, but how does it play politically?

China destroyed these people. We didn't destroy. China destroy them, totally destroyed them. We want to give them $600 and they just wouldn't change.

I said give them $2,000, we'll pay it back. We'll pay it back fast. You already owe 26 trillion, give them a couple of bucks. Let them live. Give them a couple of bucks. And some of the people here disagree with me on that, but I just say, "Look, you've got to let people live."

And how does that play though? OK. Number one, it's the right thing to do. But how does that play politically? I think it's the primary reason, one of the primary reasons, the other was just pure cheating. That was the primary, super primary reason. But you can't do that, you got to use your head.

As you know, the media has constantly asserted the outrageous lie that there was no evidence of widespread fraud. Have you ever seen these people? While there is no evidence of fraud. Oh, really? Well, I'm going to read you pages. I hope you don't get bored listening to it. Promise? Don't get bored listening to it, all those hundreds of thousands of people back there. Move them up, please, yeah.

All they, all these people, don't get bored, don't get angry at me because you're going to get bored because it's so much.

The American people do not believe the corrupt, fake news anymore. They have ruined their reputation. But you know, it used to be that they'd argue with me. I'd fight. So I'd fight, they'd fight, I'd fight, they'd fight. Pop pop. You'd believe me, you'd believe them. Somebody comes out. You know, they had their point of view, I had my point of view, but you'd have an argument.

Now what they do is they go silent. It's called suppression and that's what happens in a communist country. That's what they do, they suppress. You don't fight with them anymore. Unless it's a bad story. They have a little bad story about me, they make it 10 times worse and it's a major headline.

But Hunter Biden, they don't talk about him. What happened to Hunter? Where's Hunter? Where's Hunter? They don't talk about him. They'll watch, all the sets will go off. Well, they can't do that because they get good ratings. Their ratings are too good. Now, where's Hunter? You know.

And how come Joe is allowed to give a billion dollars of money to get rid of the prosecutor in Ukraine? How does that happen? I'd ask you that question. How does that happen? Can you imagine if I said that? If I said that it would be a whole different ballgame.

And how come Hunter gets three and a half million dollars from the mayor of Moscow's wife, and gets hundreds of thousands of dollars to sit on an energy board, even though he admits he has no knowledge of energy? And millions of dollars up front.

And how come they go into China and they leave with billions of dollars to manage. "Have you managed money before?" "No, I haven't." "Oh, that's good. Here's about 3 billion." No, they don't talk about that.

No, we have a corrupt media. They've gone silent. They've gone dead. I now realize how good it was if you go back 10 years, I realized how good, even though I didn't necessarily love them, I realized how good. It was like a cleansing motion, right?

But we don't have that anymore. We don't have a fair media anymore. It's suppression. And you have to be very careful with that and they've lost all credibility in this country.

We will not be intimidated into accepting the hoaxes and the lies that we've been forced to believe.

Over the past several weeks, we've amassed overwhelming evidence about a fake election. This is the presidential election. Last night was a little bit better because of the fact that we had a lot of eyes watching one specific state, but they cheated like hell anyway.

You have one of the dumbest governors in the United States. And you know when I endorsed him, and I didn't know this guy, at the request of David Perdue, he said, "Friend of mine's running for governor." "What's his name?" And you know the rest. He was in fourth place, fifth place. I don't know, he was, he was doing poorly. I endorse him, he went like a rocket ship and he won.

And then I had to beat Stacey Abrams with this guy, Brian Kemp. I had to beat Stacey Abrams. And I had to beat Oprah, used to be a friend of mine. You know, I was on her last show, her last week, she picked the five outstanding people. I don't think she thinks that any more. Once I ran for president, I didn't notice there were too many calls coming in from Oprah. Believe it or not, she used to like me. But I was one of the five outstanding people.

And I had a campaign against Michelle Obama and Barack Hussein Obama, against Stacey.

And I had Brian Kemp, who weighs 130 pounds. He said he played offensive line in football. I'm trying to figure that out. I'm still trying to figure that out. He said that the other night, "I was an offensive lineman." I'm saying: "Really? That must have been a very small team." But I look at that and I look at what's happened and he turned out to be a disaster. This stuff happens.

You know, look, I'm not happy with the Supreme Court. They love to rule against me. I picked three people. I fought like hell for them. One in particular, I fought. They all said, "Sir, cut him loose." He's killing the senators. You know, very loyal senators, they're very loyal people, "Sir, cut him loose, he's killing us, sir, cut him loose." I must have gotten half of the senators.

I said: "No, I can't do that, it's unfair to him and it's unfair to the family. He didn't do anything wrong." They made up stories, they're all made-up stories. He didn't do anything wrong. "Cut him loose, sir." I said, "No, I won't do that. We got him through." And you know what, they couldn't give a damn. They couldn't give a damn. Let him rule the right way.

But it almost seems that they're all going out of their way to hurt all of us and to hurt our country. To hurt our country.

You know, I read a story in one of the newspapers recently how I control the three Supreme Court justices. I control them. They're puppets.

I read it about Bill Barr, that he's my personal attorney. That he'll do anything for me. And I said, "You know, it really is genius." Because what they do is that, and it makes it really impossible for them to ever give you a victory, because all of a sudden Bill Barr changed. If you hadn't noticed. I like Bill Barr, but he changed, because he didn't want to be considered my personal attorney.

And the Supreme Court, they rule against me so much. You know why? Because the story is — I haven't spoken to any of them, any of them, since virtually they got in — but the story is that they're my puppets. Right? That they're puppets.

And now the only way they can get out of that because they hate that it's not good in the social circuit. And the only way they get out is to rule against Trump. So let's rule against Trump. And they do that. So I want to congratulate them.

But it shows you the media's genius. In fact, probably if I was the media, I'd do it the same way. I hate to say it. But we got to get them straightened out.

Today, for the sake of our democracy, for the sake of our Constitution, and for the sake of our children, we lay out the case for the entire world to hear. You want to hear it?

(Audience responds: "Yeah")

In every single swing state, local officials, state officials, almost all Democrats, made illegal and unconstitutional changes to election procedures without the mandated approvals by the state legislatures.

That these changes paved a way for fraud on a scale never seen before. I think we go a long way outside of our country when I say that.

So, just in a nutshell, you can't make a change or voting for a federal election unless the state legislature approves it. No judge can do it. Nobody can do it. Only a legislature.

So as an example, in Pennsylvania, or whatever, you have a Republican legislature, you have a Democrat mayor, and you have a lot of Democrats all over the place. They go to the legislature. The legislature laughs at them, says we're not going to do that. They say, thank you very much and they go and make the changes themselves, they do it anyway. And that's totally illegal. That's totally illegal. You can't do that.

In Pennsylvania, the Democrat secretary of state and the Democrat state Supreme Court justices illegally abolished the signature verification requirements just 11 days prior to the election.

So think of what they did. No longer is there signature verification. Oh, that's OK. We want voter ID by the way. But no longer is there a signature verification. Eleven days before the election they say we don't want it. You know why they don't want to? Because they want to cheat. That's the only reason.

Who would even think of that? We don't want to verify a signature?

There were over 205,000 more ballots counted in Pennsylvania. Think of this, you had 205,000 more ballots than you had voters. That means you had two. Where did they come from? You know where they came from? Somebody's imagination, whatever they needed.

So in Pennsylvania, you had 205,000 more votes than you had voters. And the number is actually much greater than that now. That was as of a week ago. And this is a mathematical impossibility unless you want to say it's a total fraud.

So Pennsylvania was defrauded. Over 8,000 ballots in Pennsylvania were cast by people whose names and dates of birth match individuals who died in 2020 and prior to the election. Think of that. Dead people, lots of dead people, thousands. And some dead people actually requested an application. That bothers me even more.

Not only are they voting, they want an application to vote. One of them was 29 years ago, died. It's incredible. Over 14,000 ballots were cast by out-of-state voters, so these are voters that don't live in this state.

And by the way, these numbers are what they call outcome-determinative, meaning these numbers far surpass. I lost by a very little bit. These numbers are massive, massive.

More than 10,000 votes in Pennsylvania were illegally counted, even though they were received after Election Day. In other words, they were received after Election Day. Let's count them anyway.

And what they did in many cases is, they did fraud. They took the date and they moved it back so that it no longer is after Election Day. And more than 60,000 ballots in Pennsylvania were reported received back. They got back before they were ever supposedly mailed out. In other words, you got the ballot back before you mailed it, which is also logically and logistically impossible, right?

Think of that one. You got the ballot back. Let's send the ballots. Oh, they've already been sent. But we got the ballot back before they were sent. I don't think that's too good, right?

Twenty-five thousand ballots in Pennsylvania were requested by nursing home residents, all in a single giant batch, not legal, indicating an enormous, illegal ballot harvesting operation. You're not allowed to do it, it's against the law.

The day before the election, the state of Pennsylvania reported the number of absentee ballots that had been sent out. Yet this number was suddenly and drastically increased by 400,000 people. It was increased, nobody knows where it came from, by 400,000 ballots, one day after the election.

It remains totally unexplained. They said, "Well, ah, we can't figure that." Now, that's many, many times what it would take to overthrow the state. Just that one element. Four hundred thousand ballots appeared from nowhere right after the election.

By the way, Pennsylvania has now seen all of this. They didn't know because it was so quick. They had a vote. They voted. But now they see all this stuff, it's all come to light. Doesn't happen that fast. And they want to recertify their votes. They want to recertify. But the only way that can happen is if Mike Pence agrees to send it back. Mike Pence has to agree to send it back.

(Audience chants: "Send it back.")

And many people in Congress want it sent back.

And think of what you're doing. Let's say you don't do it. Somebody says, "Well, we have to obey the Constitution." And you are, because you're protecting our country and you're protecting the Constitution. So you are.

But think of what happens. Let's say they're stiffs and they're stupid people, and they say, well, we really have no choice. Even though Pennsylvania and other states want to redo their votes. They want to see the numbers. They already have the numbers. Go very quickly. And they want to redo their legislature because many of these votes were taken, as I said, because it wasn't approved by their legislature. You know, that, in itself, is legal. And then you have the scam, and that's all of the things that we're talking about.

But think of this. If you don't do that, that means you will have a president of the United States for four years, with his wonderful son. You will have a president who lost all of these states. Or you will have a president, to put it another way, who was voted on by a bunch of stupid people who lost all of these states.

You will have an illegitimate president. That's what you'll have. And we can't let that happen.

These are the facts that you won't hear from the fake news media. It's all part of the suppression effort. They don't want to talk about it. They don't want to talk about it. In fact, when I started talking about that, I guarantee you, a lot of the television sets and a lot of those cameras went off. And that's a lot of cameras back there. But a lot of them went off.

But these are the things you don't hear about. You don't hear what you just heard. I'm going to go over a few more states. But you don't hear it by the people who want to deceive you and demoralize you and control you. Big tech, media.

Just like the suppression polls that said we're going lose Wisconsin by 17 points. Well, we won Wisconsin. They don't have it that way because they lost just by a little sliver. But they had me down the day before, Washington Post/ABC poll, down 17 points.

I called up a real pollster. I said, "What is that?" "Sir, that's called a suppression poll. I think you're going to win Wisconsin, sir."

I said, "But why don't they make it four or five points?" Because then people vote. But when you're down 17, they say, "Hey, I'm not going to waste my time. I love the president, but there's no way."

Despite that, despite that, we won Wisconsin. It's going to see. I mean, you'll see. But that's called suppression because a lot of people when they see that. It's very interesting. This pollster said, "Sir, if you're down three, four, or five people vote. When you go down 17, they say, 'Let's save. Let's go and have dinner and let's watch the presidential defeat tonight on television, darling.'"

And just like the radical left tries to blacklist you on social media. Every time I put out a tweet, that's, even if it's totally correct, totally correct, I get a flag. I get a flag.

And they also don't let you get out. You know, on Twitter, it's very hard to come onto my account. It's very hard to get out a message. They don't let the message get out nearly like they should. But I've had many people say, "I can't get on your Twitter." I don't care about Twitter. Twitter's bad news. They're all bad news.

But you know what, if you want to, if you want to get out a message and if you want to go through Big tech, social media, they are really, if you're a conservative, if you're a Republican, if you have a big voice, I guess they call it shadow banned, right? Shadow banned. They shadow ban you, and it should be illegal.

I've been telling these Republicans, get rid of Section 230. And for some reason, Mitch and the group, they don't want to put it in there and they don't realize that that's going to be the end of the Republican Party as we know it, but it's never going to be the end of us. Never. Let them get out. Let, let the weak ones get out. This is a time for strength.

They also want to indoctrinate your children in school by teaching them things that aren't so. They want to indoctrinate your children. It's all part of the comprehensive assault on our democracy, and the American people are finally standing up and saying no. This crowd is, again, a testament to it.

I did no advertising, I did nothing. You do have some groups that are big supporters. I want to thank that, Amy, and everybody. We have some incredible supporters, incredible. But we didn't do anything. This just happened. Two months ago, we had a massive crowd come down to Washington. I said, "What are they there for?" "Sir, they're there for you."

We have nothing to do with it. These groups are for, they're forming all over the United States. And we got to remember, in a year from now, you're going to start working on Congress and we got to get rid of the weak Congress, people, the ones that aren't any good, the Liz Cheneys of the world. We got to get rid of them. We got to get rid.

You know, she never wants a soldier brought home — I brought a lot of our soldiers home. I don't know, somewhat like it. They're in countries that nobody even knows the name, nobody knows where they are. They're dying. They're great, but they're dying. They're losing their arms, their legs, their face. I brought them back home, largely back home. Afghanistan, Iraq.

Remember, I used to say in the old days: "Don't go in Iraq. But if you go in, keep the oil." We didn't keep the oil. So stupid. So stupid these people. And Iraq has billions and billions of dollars now in the bank. And what did we do? We got nothing. We never get. But we do actually, we kept the oil here or we get, we did good.

We got rid of the ISIS caliphate. We got rid of plenty of different things that everybody knows and the rebuilding of our military in three years. People said it couldn't be done. And it was all made in the USA, all made in the USA, best equipment in the world.

In Wisconsin, corrupt Democrat-run cities deployed more than 500 illegal, unmanned, unsecured drop boxes, which collected a minimum of 91,000 unlawful votes. It was razor-thin, the loss. This one thing alone is much more than we would need. But there are many things.

They have these lockboxes. And, you know, they'd pick them up and they disappear for two days. People would say where's that box? They disappeared. Nobody even knew where the hell it was.

In addition, over 170,000 absentee votes were counted in Wisconsin without a valid absentee ballot application. So they had a vote, but they had no application, and that's illegal in Wisconsin. Meaning those votes were blatantly done in opposition to state law and they came 100% from Democrat areas such as Milwaukee and Madison, 100%.

In Madison, 17,000 votes were deposited in so-called human drop boxes. You know what that is, right? Where operatives stuff thousands of unsecured ballots into duffle bags on park benches across the city, in complete defiance of cease-and-desist letters from state legislature.

Your state legislatures said don't do it. They're the only ones that can approve it. They gave tens of thousands of votes. They came in in duffle bags. Where the hell did they come from?

According to eyewitness testimony, Postal Service workers in Wisconsin were also instructed to illegally backdate approximately 100,000 ballots. The margin of difference in Wisconsin was less than 20,000 votes. Each one of these things alone wins us the state. Great state. We love the state. We won the state.

In Georgia, your secretary of state who, I can't believe this guy's a Republican. He loves recording telephone conversations. You know, that was? I thought it was a great conversation personally. So did a lot of other. People love that conversation because it says what's going on.

These people are crooked. They're 100%, in my opinion, one of the most corrupt, between your governor and your secretary of state. And now you have it again last night. Just take a look at what happened. What a mess.

And the Democrat Party operatives entered into an illegal and unconstitution — unconstitutional settlement agreement that drastically weakened signature verification and other election security procedures.

Stacey Abrams. She took them to lunch. And I beat her two years ago with a bad candidate, Brian Kemp. But they took, the Democrats took the Republicans to lunch because the secretary of state had no clue what the hell was happening. Unless he did have a clue. That's interesting. Maybe he was with the other side.

But we've been trying to get verifications of signatures in Fulton County, they won't let us do it. The only reason they won't is because we'll find things in the hundreds of thousands. Why wouldn't they let us verify signatures in Fulton County, which is known for being very corrupt. They won't do it. They go to some other county where you would live.

I said, "That's not the problem." The problem is Fulton County, home of Stacey Abrams. She did a good job, I congratulate her. But it was done in such a way that we can't let this stuff happen. We won't have a country if it happens.

As a result, Georgia's absentee ballot rejection rate was more than 10 times lower than previous levels because the criteria was so off.

Forty-eight counties in Georgia, with thousands and thousands of votes, rejected zero ballots. There wasn't one ballot. In other words, in a year in which more mail-in ballots were sent than ever before, and more people were voting by mail for the first time, the rejection rate was drastically lower than it had ever been before.

The only way this can be explained is if tens of thousands of illegitimate votes were added to the tally. That's the only way you could explain it.

By the way, you're talking about tens of thousands. If Georgia had merely rejected the same number of unlawful ballots as in other years, they should have been approximately 45,000 ballots rejected. Far more than what we needed to win, just over 11,000. They should find those votes. They should absolutely find that. Just over 11,000 votes, that's all we need. They defrauded us out of a win in Georgia, and we're not going to forget it.

There's only one reason the Democrats could possibly want to eliminate signature matching, opposed voter ID, and stop citizenship confirmation. "Are you a citizenship?" You're not allowed to ask that question, because they want to steal the election.

The radical left knows exactly what they're doing. They're ruthless and it's time that somebody did something about it. And Mike Pence, I hope you're going to stand up for the good of our Constitution and for the good of our country. And if you're not, I'm going to be very disappointed in you. I will tell you right now. I'm not hearing good stories.

In Fulton County, Republican poll watchers were ejected, in some cases, physically from the room under the false pretense of a pipe burst. Water main burst, everybody leave. Which we now know was a total lie.

Then election officials pull boxes, Democrats, and suitcases of ballots out from under a table. You all saw it on television, totally fraudulent. And illegally scanned them for nearly two hours, totally unsupervised. Tens of thousands of votes. This act coincided with a mysterious vote dump of up to 100,000 votes for Joe Biden, almost none for Trump. Oh, that sounds fair. That was at 1:34 a.m.

The Georgia secretary of state and pathetic governor of Georgia, have reached, although he says I'm a great president. You know, I sort of maybe have to change. He said the other day, "Yes, I do. I disagree with president, but he's been a great president." Good, thanks. Thank you very much.

Because of him and others, you have Brian Kemp. Vote him the hell out of office, please. Well, his rates are so low. You know, his approval rating now, I think it just reached a record low.

They've rejected five separate appeals for an independent and comprehensive audit of signatures in Fulton County. Even without an audit, the number of fraudulent ballots that we've identified across the state is staggering.

Over 10,300 ballots in Georgia were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match Georgia residents who died in 2020 and prior to the election.

More than 2,500 ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match incarcerated felons in Georgia prison. People who are not allowed to vote.

More than 4,500 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who do not appear on the state's own voter rolls.

Over 18,000 illegal ballots were cast by individuals who registered to vote using an address listed as vacant, according to the Postal Service.

At least 88,000 ballots in Georgia were cast by people whose registrations were illegally backdated.

Sixty-six thousand votes, each one of these is far more than we need. Sixty-six thousand votes in Georgia were cast by individuals under the legal voting age.

And at least 15,000 ballots were cast by individuals who moved out of the state prior to November 3 election. They say they moved right back. They moved right back. Oh, they moved out, they moved right back. OK. They missed Georgia that much. I do. I love Georgia, but it's a corrupt system.

Despite all of this, the margin in Georgia is only 11,779 votes.

Each and every one of these issues is enough to give us a victory in Georgia, a big beautiful victory. Make no mistake, this election was stolen from you, from me and from the country.

And not a single swing state has conducted a comprehensive audit to remove the illegal ballots. This should absolutely occur in every single contested state before the election is certified.

In the state of Arizona, over 36,000 ballots were illegally cast by non-citizens. Two thousand ballots were returned with no address. More than 22,000 ballots were returned before they were ever supposedly mailed out. They returned, but we haven't mailed them yet.

Eleven thousand six hundred more ballots and votes were counted, more than there were actual voters. You see that? So you have more votes again than you have voters.

One hundred and fifty thousand people registered in Maricopa County after the registration deadline. One hundred and three thousand ballots in the county were sent for electronic adjudication with no Republican observers.

In Clark County, Nevada, the accuracy settings on signature verification machines were purposely lowered before they were used to count over 130,000 ballots.

If you signed your name as Santa Claus, it would go through.

There were also more than 42,000 double votes in Nevada. Over 150,000 people were hurt so badly by what took place. And 1,500 ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match Nevada residents who died in 2020 prior to November 3 election. More than 8,000 votes were cast by individuals who had no address and probably didn't live there.

The margin in Nevada is down at a very low number, any of these things would have taken care of the situation. We would have won Nevada, also. Every one of these we're going over, we win.

In Michigan, quickly, the secretary of state, a real great one, flooded the state with unsolicited mail-in ballot applications sent to every person on the rolls in direct violation of state law.

More than 17,000 Michigan ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match people who were deceased.

In Wayne County, that's a great one. That's Detroit. One hundred and seventy-four thousand ballots were counted without being tied to an actual registered voter. Nobody knows where they came from.

Also, in Wayne County, poll watchers observed canvassers rescanning batches of ballots over and over again, up to three or four or five times.

In Detroit, turnout was 139% of registered voters. Think of that. So you had 139% of the people in Detroit voting. This is in Michigan. Detroit, Michigan.

A career employee of the Detroit, City of Detroit, testified under penalty of perjury that she witnessed city workers coaching voters to vote straight Democrat while accompanying them to watch who they voted for. When a Republican came in, they wouldn't talk to him.

The same worker was instructed not to ask for any voter ID and not to attempt to validate any signatures if they were Democrats. She also told to illegally, and was told, backdate ballots received after the deadline and reports that thousands and thousands of ballots were improperly backdated. That's Michigan.

Four witnesses have testified under penalty of perjury that after officials in Detroit announced the last votes had been counted, tens of thousands of additional ballots arrived without required envelopes. Every single one was for a Democrat. I got no votes.

At 6:31 a.m. in the early morning hours after voting had ended, Michigan suddenly reported 147,000 votes. An astounding 94% went to Joe Biden, who campaigned brilliantly from his basement. Only a couple of percentage points went to Trump.

Such gigantic and one-sided vote dumps were only observed in a few swing states and they were observed in the states where it was necessary.

You know what's interesting? President Obama beat Biden in every state other than the swing states where Biden killed them, but the swing states were the ones that mattered.

They're always just enough to push Joe Biden barely into the lead. We were ahead by a lot and within a number of hours we were losing by a little.

In addition, there is the highly troubling matter of Dominion Voting Systems. In one Michigan county alone, 6,000 votes were switched from Trump to Biden and the same systems are used in the majority of states in our country.

Senator William Ligon, a great gentleman, chairman of Georgia's senate judiciary subcommittee. Senator Ligon, highly respected, on elections has written a letter describing his concerns with Dominion in Georgia.

He wrote, and I quote, The Dominion Voting Machines employed in Fulton County had an astronomical and astounding 93.67% error rate. It's only wrong 93% of the time in the scanning of ballots requiring a review panel to adjudicate or determine the voter's interest in over 106,000 ballots out of a total of 113,000.

Think of it. You go in and you vote and then they tell people who you supposed to be voting for. They make up whatever they want. Nobody's ever even heard.

They adjudicate your vote. They say, Well, we don't think Trump wants to vote for Trump. We think he wants to vote for Biden. Put it down for Biden.

The national average for such an error rate is far less than 1% and yet you're at 93%. The source of this astronomical error rate must be identified to determine if these machines were set up or destroyed to allow for a third party to disregard the actual ballot cast by the registered voter.

The letter continues. There is clear evidence that tens of thousands of votes were switched from President Trump to former Vice President Biden in several counties in Georgia.

For example, in Bibb County, President Trump was reported to have 29,391 votes at 9:11 p.m. Eastern time, while simultaneously Vice President Joe Biden was reported to have 17,213. Minutes later, just minutes, at the next update, these vote numbers switched with President Trump going way down to 17,000 and Biden going way up to 29,391. And that was very quick, a 12,000 vote switch all in Mr. Biden's favor.

So, I mean, I could go on and on about this fraud that took place in every state, and all of these legislatures want this back. I don't want to do it to you because I love you and it's freezing out here. But I could just go on forever. I can tell you this.

(Audience chants: "We love you.")

So when you hear, when you hear, while there is no evidence to prove any wrongdoing, this is the most fraudulent thing anybody has, this is a criminal enterprise. This is a criminal enterprise. And the press will say, and I'm sure they won't put any of that on there, because that's no good. And you ever see, while there is no evidence to back President Trump's assertion.

I could go on for another hour reading this stuff to you and telling you about it. There's never been anything like it.

Think about it. Detroit had more votes than it had voters. Pennsylvania had 205,000 more votes than it had more. But you don't have to go any. Between that, I think that's almost better than dead people if you think, right? More votes than they had voters. And many other states also.

It's a disgrace that the United States of America, tens of millions of people, are allowed to go vote without so much as even showing identification.

In no state is there any question or effort made to verify the identity, citizenship, residency or eligibility of the votes cast.

The Republicans have to get tougher. You're not going to have a Republican Party if you don't get tougher. They want to play so straight. They want to play so, sir, yes, the United States. The Constitution doesn't allow me to send them back to the States. Well, I say, yes it does, because the Constitution says you have to protect our country and you have to protect our Constitution, and you can't vote on fraud. And fraud breaks up everything, doesn't it? When you catch somebody in a fraud, you're allowed to go by very different rules.

So I hope Mike has the courage to do what he has to do. And I hope he doesn't listen to the RINOs and the stupid people that he's listening to.

It is also widely understood that the voter rolls are crammed full of non-citizens, felons and people who have moved out of state and individuals who are otherwise ineligible to vote. Yet Democrats oppose every effort to clean up their voter rolls. They don't want to clean them up. They're loaded.

And how many people here know other people, that when there are hundreds of thousands and then millions of ballots got sent out, got three, four, five, six, and I heard one, who got seven ballots. And then they say you didn't quite make it, sir.

We won in a landslide. This was a landslide. They said it's not American to challenge the election. This the most corrupt election in the history, maybe of the world.

You know, you could go third-world countries, but I don't think they had hundreds of thousands of votes and they don't have voters for them. I mean no matter where you go, nobody would think this.

In fact, it's so egregious, it's so bad that a lot of people don't even believe it. It's so crazy that people don't even believe it. It can't be true. So they don't believe it.

This is not just a matter of domestic politics — this is a matter of national security.

So today, in addition to challenging the certification of the election, I'm calling on Congress and the state legislatures to quickly pass sweeping election reforms, and you better do it before we have no country left.

Today is not the end, it's just the beginning.

With your help over the last four years, we built the greatest political movement in the history of our country and nobody even challenges that.

I say that over and over, and I never get challenged by the fakeness, and they challenge almost everything we say.

But our fight against the big donors, big media, big tech, and others is just getting started. This is the greatest in history. There's never been a movement like that.

You look back there all the way to the Washington Monument. It's hard to believe.

We must stop the steal and then we must ensure that such outrageous election fraud never happens again, can never be allowed to happen again.

But we're going forward. We'll take care of going forward. We've got to take care of going back. Don't let them talk. OK, well, we promised. I've had a lot of people. Sir, you're at 96% for four years. I said I'm not interested right now. I'm interested in right there.

With your help, we will finally pass powerful requirements for voter ID. You need an ID to cash a check. You need an ID to go to a bank, to buy alcohol, to drive a car. Every person should need to show an ID in order to cast your most important thing, a vote.

We will also require proof of American citizenship in order to vote in American elections. We just had a good victory in court on that one, actually.

We will ban ballot harvesting and prohibit the use of unsecured drop boxes to commit rampant fraud. These drop boxes are fraudulent. Therefore, they get disapp — they disappear, and then all of a sudden they show up. It's fraudulent.

We will stop the practice of universal unsolicited mail-in balloting.

We will clean up the voter rolls that ensure that every single person who casts a vote is a citizen of our country, a resident of the state in which they vote and their vote is cast in a lawful and honest manner.

We will restore the vital civic tradition of in-person voting on Election Day so that voters can be fully informed when they make their choice.

We will finally hold big tech accountable. And if these people had courage and guts, they would get rid of Section 230, something that no other company, no other person in America, in the world has.

All of these tech monopolies are going to abuse their power and interfere in our elections, and it has to be stopped. And the Republicans have to get a lot tougher, and so should the Democrats. They should be regulated, investigated, and brought to justice under the fullest extent of the law. They're totally breaking the law.

Together, we will drain the Washington swamp and we will clean up the corruption in our nation's capital. We have done a big job on it, but you think it's easy. It's a dirty business. It's a dirty business. You have a lot of bad people out there.

Despite everything we've been through, looking out all over this country and seeing fantastic crowds. Although this, I think, is our all-time record. I think you have 250,000 people. 250,000.

Looking out at all the amazing patriots here today, I have never been more confident in our nation's future. Well, I have to say, we have to be a little bit careful. That's a nice statement, but we have to be a little careful with that statement.

If we allow this group of people to illegally take over our country because it's illegal when the votes are illegal when the way they got there is illegal when the states that vote are given false and fraudulent information.

We are the greatest country on Earth and we are headed and were headed in the right direction.

You know, the wall is built. We're doing record numbers at the wall. Now, they want to take down the wall. Let's let everyone flow in. Let's let everybody flow in. We did a great job in the wall. Remember, the wall, they said it could never be done. One of the largest infrastructure projects we've ever had in this country, and it's had a tremendous impact, that we got rid of catch and release. We got rid of all of this stuff that we had to live with.

But now, the caravans, I think Biden's getting in, the caravans are forming again. They want to come in again and rip off our country. Can't let it happen.

As this enormous crowd shows, we have truth and justice on our side. We have a deep and enduring love for America in our hearts. We love our country.

We have overwhelming pride in this great country and we have it deep in our souls. Together, we are determined to defend and preserve government of the people, by the people and for the people.

Our brightest days are before us. Our greatest achievements, still away.

I think one of our great achievements will be election security. Because nobody until I came along had any idea how corrupt our elections were.

And again, most people would stand there at 9 o'clock in the evening and say I want to thank you very much, and they go off to some other life. But I said something's wrong here, something is really wrong, can have happened.

And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore.

Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country.

And I say this despite all that's happened. The best is yet to come.

So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give.

The Democrats are hopeless — they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we're going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help. We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

I want to thank you all. God bless you and God Bless America.

Thank you all for being here. This is incredible. Thank you very much. Thank you.



Giuliani

Rudy Giuliani: (00:09)
Hello. Hello everyone. We’re here just very briefly to make a very important two points. Number one; every single thing that has been outlined as the plan for today is perfectly legal. I have Professor Eastman here with me to say a few words about that. He’s one of the preeminent constitutional scholars in the United States. It is perfectly appropriate given the questionable constitutionality of the Election Counting Act of 1887 that the Vice President can cast it aside and he can do what a president called Jefferson did when he was Vice President. He can decide on the validity of these crooked ballots, or he can send it back to the legislators, give them five to 10 days to finally finish the work. We now have letters from five legislators begging us to do that. They’re asking us. Georgia, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Wisconsin, and one other coming in.

Crowd: (01:44)
Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy.

Rudy Giuliani: (01:49)
It seems to me, we don’t want to find out three weeks from now even more proof that this election was stolen, do we?

Crowd: (01:58)
No.

Rudy Giuliani: (02:01)
So it is perfectly reasonable and fair to get 10 days… and you should know this, the Democrats and their allies have not allowed us to see one machine, or one paper ballot. Now if they ran such a clean election, why wouldn’t they make all the machines available immediately? If they ran such a clean election, they’d have you come in and look at the paper ballots. Who hides evidence? Criminals hide evidence. Not honest people.

Rudy Giuliani: (02:43)
Over the next 10 days, we get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of. But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. Let’s have trial by combat. I’m willing to stake my reputation, the President is willing to stake his reputation, on the fact that we’re going to find criminality there.

Rudy Giuliani: (03:24)
Is Joe Biden willing to stake his reputation that there’s no crime there? No. Also, last night one of the experts that has examined these crooked dominion machines has absolutely what he believes is conclusive proof that in the last 10%, 15% of the vote counted, the votes were deliberately changed. By the same algorithm that was used in cheating President Trump and Vice President Pence. Same algorithm, same system, same thing was done with the same machines. You notice they were ahead until the very end, right? Then you noticed there was a little gap, one was ahead by 3%, the other was ahead by 2%, and gone, gone, they were even. He can take you through that and show you how they programmed that machine from the outside to accomplish that. And they’ve been doing it for years to favor the Democrats.

Rudy Giuliani: (04:34)
It is a matter of scientific proof. We need two days to establish that. It would be a shame if that gets established after it’s over, wouldn’t it be? This was the worst election in American history. This election was stolen in seven states. They picked states where they have crooked Democratic cities, where they could push everybody around. And it has to be vindicated to save our republic. This is bigger than Donald Trump. It’s bigger than you and me. It’s about these monuments and what they stand for.

Rudy Giuliani: (05:15)
This has been a year in which they have invaded our freedom of speech, our freedom of religion, our freedom to move, our freedom to live. I’ll be darned if they’re going to take away our free and fair vote. And we’re going to fight to the very end to make sure that doesn’t happen. Let me ask Professor Eastman to explain as easily as we can, I know this is complicated, but what happened last night, how they cheated, and how it was exactly the same as what they did on November 3rd.

Professor Eastman: (05:52)
America’s Mayor, wonderful. Hello America. Sorry I had to say that. Look, we’ve got petitions pending before the Supreme Court that identify it chapter and verse, the number of times state election officials ignored or violated the state law in order to put Vice President Biden over the finish line. We know there was fraud, traditional fraud that occurred. We know that dead people voted. But we now know because we caught it live last time in real time, how the machines contributed to that fraud.

Professor Eastman: (06:31)
And let me as simply as I can explain it; you know the old way was to have a bunch of ballots sitting in a box under the floor and when you needed more, you pulled them out in the dark of night. They put those ballots in a secret folder in the machines. Sitting there waiting until they know how many they need. And then the machine, after the close of polls, we now know who’s voted, and we know who hasn’t. And I can now, in that machine, match those unvoted ballots with an unvoted voter and put them together in the machine.

Professor Eastman: (07:06)
And how do we know that happened last night in real time? You saw when it got to 99% of the vote total and then it stopped. The percentage stopped, but the votes didn’t stop. What happened, and you don’t see this on Fox or any of the other stations, but the data shows that the denominator, how many ballots remain to be counted, how else do you figure out the percentage that you have, how many remain to be counted, that number started moving up. That means they were unloading the ballots from that secret folder, matching them to the unvoted voter, and voila, we have enough votes to barely get over the finish line.

Professor Eastman: (07:45)
We saw it happen in real time last night, and it happened on November 3rd as well. And all we are demanding of Vice President Pence is this afternoon at 1:00 he let the legislators of the state look into this so we get to the bottom of it, and the American people know whether we have control of the direction of our government, or not.

Professor Eastman: (08:16)
We no longer live in a self governing republic if we can’t get the answer to this question. This is bigger than President Trump. It is a very essence of our republican form of government, and it has to be done. And anybody that is not willing to stand up to do it, does not deserve to be in the office. It is that simple.

Rudy Giuliani: (08:40)
God bless you. And thank you so much for your support. I know the courage it takes to be out there. I know how you get ridiculed. I know how they try to take jobs away from you. But you look in the mirror every night and you say to yourself, “I’m doing the right thing for myself, for my family, for my children, and most importantly for the United States of America.”
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:28 pm

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'my friend'. You are allowing yourself to resort to base-level hyperbole. So anyone that questions narratives are now full-on Trumpists, is that right?

These talking points fit right into a DU thread (does DU still exist? Perhaps SeemsLikeADream can return and let us know. She may as well be contributing here given the talking points raised).

Re-quoting part of my prior response -

Belligerent Savant » Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:14 pm wrote:As I've mentioned before, I believe Trump is a willing player; by this I mean: he certainly knew what he was doing that day, and how it would help FRAME NARRATIVES TO FOLLOW, but not because he wanted to "forcefully" take back his presidency. ... He was doing his part, playing his role: controlled opposition for his demo.


Yours are the overt presentation of events [the speech, or speeches, etc.], which largely wave aside actions undertaken semi-covertly (the 'covert' aspects are becoming less and less 'hidden' as we increase our march towards the full-on totalitarian phase of Empire, facilitated by the mass acceptance of divisive rhetoric that keep the People divided and easier to manage).

Those that subscribe to the front-facing narratives of Jan. 6 -- and by extension, most of the narratives put forth over the past ~year* -- are doing their part to expedite the onset of overt fascism**. Clearly, you are not one to simply accept talking points at face value, in most cases. But you seem to be doing so here. Despite what you may claim otherwise, this event is NO LESS TAINTED than any other of recent note.

*the reality is we've been moving in this direction, incrementally, for years; 2001 was the first 'big step' forward [towards overt control by govt systems] for the 21st Century; Covid is the next big step, arguably even more of a leap than 911 in many respects.

**by this I mean the shift from the prevailing state of covert fascism to full-on overt technocratic fascism (4th Industrialist/Great Reset variant).
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:30 pm

Well, thank God that Trump is gone, and everything is so much better now that Biden is in charge of bombing Syria, overthrowing Maduro, caging immigrants, prosecuting Assange, not raising the minimum wage, and especially distributing the life saving gene therapy injections that Trump fast-tracked!

If only those awful, Trump loving, bio-fascism questioning terraists would just learn to love Zoom meetings, double-masking themselves and their infants, keeping at least 6 feet away from all other humans, swathing their hands with chemical disinfectants, accepting contact-less deliveries from philanthropic billionaires, and continually injecting themselves with whatever experimental chemicals our savior Big Pharma corporations invent next forever and ever amen as much as all of us righteous Democrats do, we just might be able to turn the corner on COVID-19 and use our vaccine-passes to occasionally leave our homes once again. Maybe even as soon as by our next glorious Easter Day!

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