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Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:43 am
by thrulookingglass
Here's the thing about superiority, if you want to maintain it, you have to make sure no one else can have it.

God bless inequality.

Economies are dishonest by their nature. Its all warfare. Psychological, Economical, Spiritual, National, Ecological. Saints vs. The Raiders next Sunday night! Brought to you by immorality incorporated. Private property is fictitious. Seize the reigns or enjoy being throttled. Ethics: the branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions. Treating people (and our Earth-mother) with dignity might just solve all our self-concocted problems.

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:57 pm
by stickdog99
Elvis » 30 Apr 2020 06:41 wrote:
Henry Gay winecheese.jpg

LOL. Let's destroy the whole planet. That'll show the 1%! There's nothing blue collar about blue sky or blue water.

I'm pretty sure that when I was child that I saw Archie Bunker make this same argument on national television.

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:10 pm
by JackRiddler
Wait, that was a parody, surely?

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:14 pm
by undead
Belligerent Savant wrote:^^^^

The current event may help push things towards a 'Bioregionalism' -- that may be one of the few silver linings to this situation. And a renewed focus on local produce, supply chains, self-sustainability, self-reliance. If there's another one of these events within the next few years (notice I typed 'If'; I remain an optimist, despite it all), many will have no choice on the matter.

There will definitely be more disasters, according to the IPCC climate science reports that are not even factoring in arctic permafrost melting. Fires, floods, hurricanes, heatwaves, crazy high wind, cyclones, tsunamis, basically every kind of weather to the extreme. The millennial generation and younger ones are a lot less healthy, obviously in part because of the transgenic food that they were the lab rats for. And that was before this new, worse virus that everyone in the industrial world is going to get. You're either going to get it, or you're going to get vaccinated and get some of it with some other shit in it, and it's going to come around every year, and vaccinations will be forced on a lot of people. The debate about that will be over soon enough when people see what happens. As long as the industrial hubris continues, there will also be more human created problems, and the ones who can figure out how to not get killed by that will survive to try to organize and sequester all the garbage and create a livable environment for humans.

"Self" sustainability and "self" reliance is a narcissistic fantasy. Only the super rich can have that attitude, but in reality the are cannibalizing the people they exploit in order to have that situation of "relying on themselves". Smaller communities relying on each other is the flip side of that, probably what you meant. The issue is what kind of communities will those be - whites only patriarchal feudalism, or something more democratic?

There is no if. The lockdown is not going to end. The industrial infrastructure will collapse and need to be evacuated... and maybe it won't be. I am hoping for evacuated. I have been evacuating for years as have most of the other agriculture enthusiasts I have worked with. USDA Organic uses pesticides derived from plants that do not persist on the food for people to eat, but contrary to popular belief it still uses chemical fertilizers that run off into waterways and kill the environment. That is pretty much the essence of ecofascism - ecology for yourself, your backyard, your community, your country, and fuck everyone else. An intact natural environment is the only real thing of value for an educated, privileged person to want at this point.

So the bioregionalism will definitely happen, but that in itself is not a silver lining. It has the potential to be just a smaller, Mad Max version of the same shit we had before. And it isn't going to get easier for anyone. Even the super rich are going to have to worry more about poor people chopping their heads off now. I mean look at Betsy DeVos - used to have 10 yachts, now will only be allowed to have 1 yacht.

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:25 pm
by Belligerent Savant

You'd be a hoot at children's birthday parties.

Sarcasm aside, yes: I was referring to local community-based sustainability. Indeed, the lower classes in urban areas, as one example, will have a difficult time unfortunately -- unless the nearby (former, pre-pandemic collapse) hipsters take it upon themselves to offer free hydroponic farming clinics. I'm in rare form tonight.

It may well be a dire predicament. But perhaps we'll surprise each other, at least in regional pockets.

This particular wizard has a decidedly more optimistic* outlook:

...I’d like to encourage my readers to do two things over the course of the week ahead, and as far thereafter into the future as they wish.

1. Assess the choices you’ve made and the life you’ve accepted, and see if it’s time for a change. If the answer is “yes,” do something about it.

2. Assess the collective actions and structures of the society in which you live, and once again, see if it’s time for a change. If the answer is “yes,” consider taking both of the kinds of action discussed above: change your own relationship with the problematic features of your society, and see what measures you can take to help further the process of collective change.

On the far side of silence, new possibilities stand open. Joseph Campbell reminds us that in the journey of every hero or heroine there’s a departure from the familiar, and very often this takes the form of a withdrawal into solitude and contemplation. That period of reflection and reassessment is a crucial step toward unfolding the potentials for magnificence that we all have within us but so few of us ever use.


Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:13 pm
by undead
On a more optimistic note, half of the workforce were forced to leave their jobs, and this will probably force the adoption of some kind of basic income measures. Because this shit is not going to be "fixed" with a vaccine for another 18 months, we're told. Before the adoption of chemical agriculture it was 50% of the population working in food production on farms. Today it is 1 or 2%. Now half of the population were just magically forced to leave their jobs. That's very convenient for a Green New Deal that would discontinue the use of chemicals in agriculture. So that's 2 previously unthinkable changes that are now very likely to happen. Especially basic income, even Mitt Romney is about it now. The COVID19 outbreak, like the Trump administration, is the necessary trauma threshold for the adoption of socialist policies in the United States.The last labor movement in this country only happened after 10 of thousands of mining accident deaths and many more traumas. In order for people to change their habits drastically, all together as a country, they have to be forced to. Learning the hard way.

The COVID is an ecological problem that always happens in any monocrop production field. If you only grow one thing and nothing else, there will always be pathogens and pests that will learn to eat that thing and multiply and wipe out half the field, because there is nothing to eat those pests. Tomatoes have horn worms, potatoes have potato beetles, beans have bean beetles, cabbages have cabbage loopers, humans have COVID19 and in the future will have more COVIDs if they don't change the program.

Supermarkets shutting down and decentralizing agriculture is the most rational thing for society to do. Also, stop supporting slavery in China that produces consumer garbage. I was just working in a very small grocery right before this plague happened, and I thought about something that didn't even occur to me before I did that job. The shelves in a supermarket can never be cleaned. To take off all the items, put them somewhere, clean the shelves, and then move everything back - that is impossible for the business. It takes too long, would have to be done at night, and needs way too many people and too much time. So they are never cleaned, EVER. They only get cleaned when there is an industrial collapse that empties the shelves. They are disgusting cesspools by design, they pay starvation wages, and they steal money from farmers and farm workers. They should all close and everyone who worked there should be retrained for ecological agriculture, or whatever essential work they want to do. It's going to be painful to change, but its going to be pain no matter what. We should just give refrigerators to many small local farms, instead of having giant warehouses of refrigerators where everyone goes and coughs on each other.

My most optimistic attitude that I can find is: well, at least this happened now and not any later, because it would be so much worse if things went on as they were before. If the problem continued to increase and build up for another 5, 10, 20 years, it would be so much worse, unthinkably worse. Even if it didn't happen this year, and Donald Trump got re-elected, and then it happened with 3 years of Donald Trump ahead before an election, how much worse would that be? A lot worse.

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:35 pm
by Elvis
JackRiddler » Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:10 pm wrote:Wait, that was a parody, surely?

The Henry Gay column? Yes it's sarcasm of course (I think stickdog gets that, just taking the Archie Bunker position).

I wish I'd kept all his columns, he was a gas. But I read that his family is going to assemble them into a book. I hate to think he'll be forgotten. He was a great. Henry Gay, gone some years now.

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:35 pm
by undead
Peter Staudenmaier: What is Capitalism?

From long-time ISE faculty member, Peter Staudenmeier, written for the Lexicon pamphlet series sponsored by the Institute for Anarchist Studies. This was originally posted in March 2014 and revised in August 2015:

In ancient myths of paradise, people lived in boundless plenty without work or want. The fruits of the earth were freely available to all and no labor was necessary. If life under capitalism is a far cry from paradise, it is nonetheless beholden to its own myths of work, prosperity, and progress. Understanding what the world was like before the rise of capitalism, and envisioning a different world beyond the capitalist reality we live in today, calls for an examination of its myths and the structures on which those myths are built.

Capitalism usually presents itself as an economic system, a way of organizing the production and distribution of goods and services, of wealth and welfare, of material gain and loss. But capitalism is more than an economic system, it is a form of society: A society in which the economic has taken precedence over the social. Under capitalism, economic necessities become more important than basic social relationships – finding a job and keeping it can be more pressing than creating a fulfilling life together with friends and companions and loved ones; figuring out how to pay the rent or maintain the mortgage or make sure there’s food on the table wins out over exploring what we have in common; worrying about who’ll take care of us when we’re too old to work gets in the way of taking care of each other here and now. What is best for me individually becomes more vital than what is best for the communities I am part of, than what is best for all of us.

When we find ourselves thinking this way, it is not because we are inherently selfish beings. That notion of natural self-interest and acquisitiveness is one of the major myths of modern capitalism. Human societies have evolved myriad ways of arranging their economic interactions, many of them based squarely on communal rather than individual standards of well-being. They aren’t always liberatory, of course, but they do indicate that capitalism’s peculiar preoccupation with concern for oneself over others is not built in to human nature. And most people don’t get all that far under capitalism, economically speaking, no matter how much we focus on our own needs and wants. Though the free market continually holds out the promise of a better life for all, the promise generally becomes reality for only a few.

Viewed in this context, capitalism is by no means historically inevitable. It isn’t part of the fabric of the universe and it isn’t a consequence of the laws of physics. It is not an innate attribute of human existence. It is not, as it pretends to be, the natural state of economic affairs. Capitalism is a social artifact, something created and maintained by people, by our actions and inactions, whether deliberate or inadvertent, whether malevolent or well-meaning. It arose in particular places at specific times under distinctive conditions. It has a history, though admirers of capitalism sometimes like to portray it as timeless. Like everything historical, it has both beginnings and an end. If we made it, we can unmake it.

That means understanding how it functions. To do this we can draw on both theory and practice, incorporating the lessons learned from critical analyses of the basic structures of capitalism as well as the legacies of organized opposition to those structures. We can make use of the insights generated by radical social movements throughout the long history of emancipatory struggles against capitalism. Many of these struggles were led by workers in class-based movements resisting the growing power of capital. Others were made up of peasants or artisans, and some were community-based movements defending popular institutions from encroachment by an advancing capitalist system. The participants in these struggles disagreed about how to make sense of capitalism’s seemingly senseless rules, but we can distill a series of key concepts from their experiences.

From the perspective of these oppositional movements and their assessment of a world transformed according to capitalist imperatives, the core features of capitalism as an economic system and as a society can be characterized as follows:

Commodity production and exchange. Commodities are the fundamental unit of capitalist societies, as the cell is the fundamental unit of the body. Under full-fledged capitalism a commodity can be just about anything – something useful and necessary, something harmful and pointless, something rare or common, something intangible and ephemeral. What makes an item or an idea or an action a commodity is not some intrinsic quality of the thing itself, but its status as an object of exchange. In its simplest form, a commodity is a good or a service that is produced in order to be exchanged. It is valuable not primarily for what it is, but for what price it can fetch when bought or sold, what can be gained by exchanging it for other commodities.

Markets. The mechanism through which commodities are exchanged is the market, a forum in which buyers and sellers compete for advantage. Historically markets were subject to social constraints: typically located in circumscribed areas, limited to certain times of the day or week or year, tempered by ethical stipulations. Many human societies assigned markets a deliberately subordinate position in communal life and delineated clear boundaries within which markets were allowed to operate. This changed with the ascendance of capitalism. In an ideal capitalist world, markets and their competitive dynamic no longer heed social limitations but are ubiquitous and unfettered; they are everywhere all the time. Though championed for their supposed efficiency, markets are frequently models of extraordinary waste and inefficiency. In their capitalist form markets have a tendency to permeate all relationships and all dimensions of social life, extending far beyond the immediate economic realm and turning neighbors into rivals, colleagues into competitors, allies into adversaries.

Property as private investment. Through the processes of commodity production and market exchange, more and more aspects of human life and the natural world are reduced to assets that can and must be owned. Wealth comes from the earth and its creatures and from the work of human hands and minds, and there are countless forms in which it can be created, discovered, and shared. Many of these forms have been communal, collective, cooperative. Capitalism imposes one form as paramount: private ownership of resources. In contemporary industrial capitalist societies this type of private property takes the shape of entrepreneurs who own a business, shareholders or investors who own a corporation, landlords who own real estate, speculators who own stock or trade debt and credit and abstract commodities existing only in notional form. The driving force behind this kind of ownership is profit.

Exploited labor. Most people in capitalist contexts don’t own assets that earn profit, and have to sell their time and effort in order to make a living. Selling your ability to work in exchange for a paycheck is known as wage labor, the component of capitalism with which most of us are intimately familiar. A division of labor between groups of people doing different tasks is not peculiar to capitalism, but in combination with commodity production, the predominance of the market, and private ownership of economic resources, the exploitation of labor means that the people who actually produce the goods and services that keep the system running have little say in how the things they produce are made and distributed. Those decisions are normally the prerogative of owners, executives, and managers, whose directives are supposed to be carried out by workers. When the system works the way it is designed, products end up in the hands of consumers divorced from any connection with or knowledge of the producers or their conditions of work, from mass manufacturing to the provision of services.

On the basis of these intertwined core features, capitalism has achieved remarkable levels of economic innovation and equally remarkable levels of ecological and social destructiveness. What drives both its accomplishments and its devastation is a constant requirement for accumulation, for increasing returns on investment, for profits that can be put back into circulation in order to yield even greater profit. Ever-expanding material reward is the carrot that entices capitalist ambitions, accompanied by the stick of potential economic ruin. While its operations are baroquely complex and often inscrutable, its underlying principles are starkly straightforward. This accounts for capitalism’s conspicuous flexibility, the capacity to accommodate itself to widely different social and cultural contexts. It also accounts for the profoundly alienated relationships at the heart of capitalist society.

Because capitalism is built around recurrent crises, economic and otherwise, it has always sparked dissatisfaction and resistance. From anarchists to marxists, from cooperative movements to anti-colonial struggles, diverse groups and individuals have contested the regime of capital for generations. For those of us fundamentally opposed to capitalism, it is crucial to keep in mind the political ambivalence of discontent with capitalist norms. History is littered with false alternatives to an inhumane and unsustainable system. Stalinism, to choose one all too recognizable example, is not a compelling replacement for free market nostrums. Many populists and fascists also oppose capitalism, based often enough on the alluring but deceptive paradigm of hardworking producers versus parasitic financiers. There are numerous authoritarian and right-wing versions of anti-capitalist sentiment. We need to remember this if we don’t want to end up in a future that is even worse than the capitalist present. The challenge is to come up with a comprehensive critical analysis of what is wrong with capitalism and a plausible array of alternative social institutions that could supplant it.

A helpful step toward that goal is to ask questions without easy answers. What is it about capitalism that we oppose? Its outsize impact on our lives, our character, our bodies, our planet? Its privileging of multinational corporations and millionaires? Its cosmopolitanism and its corrosive effect on traditional mores? Or is it alienation and exploitation that we reject? And what are we working toward? A more smoothly functioning liberal state that will provide for all? Local self-sufficiency and regional autarky? Planning bureaucracies and legislated equality? Environmental enterprise and reduced consumption? Neighborhood markets and family farms and mom and pop stores? Or do we want a genuinely anti-capitalist alternative, structurally antagonistic to hierarchy and domination, to profit and property, whatever their scale or scope?

Beyond decisive questions like these, there are many other problems to be thought through and worked out. Capitalism is not as all-encompassing as it appears; non-capitalist relationships exist within and alongside the dominant economy and society. And as central as production is to economic endeavors, reproduction and care are what make our lives possible, while the pleasure of personal and collective creation for its own sake, regardless of utility, can make our lives worth living. Indeed the very notion of ‘the economy’ as a separate sphere of social life is itself a legacy of the historical emergence of capitalism. Today’s shifting affiliations linking capitalism to the state, to white supremacy, to patriarchy, to racial and gender and other hierarchies are not an implacable constant but always in flux, with oppressive as well as subversive potentials. The crushing weight of capital distorts any image of a life after capitalism, but the possibilities of transcending its bitter strictures are entirely real. They are ours to explore, ours to construct, and ours to share. ... apitalism/

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 2:20 pm
by Belligerent Savant
Another take on that Moore/Gibbs documentary. Portions of this can be placed in other threads. ... he-humans/


...the essential and overriding two problems with this film can be generalized as absence of class analysis, and an absent analysis of western Imperialism.

More succinctly, the military is never mentioned, not ever. And the open Malthusian meme ‘we are the problem’, or what is often called ‘the overpopulation argument’ (or Pogo argument) is a profoundly reactionary and racist idea based on classic eugenics, and the one glaring omission and the other rather disturbing ideology, eclipse the genuine (though limited) truths of the film.

And I say limited because while, yes, Al Gore is a ruling class vulture and Bill McKibben an opportunistic self-promoting liar, and pointing this out is correct and even satisfying, these points are subsumed by Gibbs greater political mystifications.

The curious result of these missing ideas and the criticism of them and by extension the film, means that finds oneself aligned, however fleetingly, with people who hate the film for exactly the wrong reasons — the pro capitalist DNC linked pro climate justice. Green energy supporters, among whom one can count Alexandria Ocasio Cortez who producer Michael Moore supports and campaigns for (cognitive dissonance exhibit A) and all the myriad other corporate interests that Cory Morningstar painstakingly catalogues in her Wrong Kind of Green blog.

There have been hysterical attacks on Gibbs from these people, and they are wrong. And their egregious *wrongness* here still doesn’t mean its not a flawed film.

On an importantly positive note, the stuff that Gibbs gets right is important and one wishes dearly he were a more sophisticated political thinker. And that he wasn’t working with Moore. But details on industrial energy, palm oil, all the massive destruction caused by solar and wind power. That the hype for renewable energy is dishonest and manipulative. Gibbs is exactly right (though a bit late to the party one has to say).

The attacks on him from the proto-capitalist green energy people are cynical and dishonest.
That this film (which was rejected, apparently, by major distributors, although I have no direct evidence of this) is released during the Corona panic (for free), during the global house arrest (and this, in turn, means a necessary sidebar on Bill Gates) is troubling.

One of the most prevalent themes being repeated ad nauseam in media is one that depicts the suddenly clean waters of the Venice canals, the return of wildlife to the suburbs of America and northern Europe, and the generally breathable air of previously polluted big cities. And the message is, like the Gibbs film, “we are the problem”. Get rid of people, or keep them inside, and voila…an Edenic Gaia. The film then becomes tantamount to a marketing campaign for depopulation simply by virtue of its release date.

Now, having said this, the subject Gibbs is tackling is important. Many of his conclusions are correct, but only up to a point because looming over everything is the spectre of de-population. And this Malthusianism is so threadbare at this point, so utterly at odds with the facts, that for Gibbs to promote it means he loses credibility for everything. And it’s sinister.

There are not too many people; thats simply not true, and in fact across the planet birth rates are cratering (why is IVF such big business?) But again, if one reads the reviews in corporate-owned media (Vox, or Salon et al.) it’s enough to make one root for and defend Gibbs…almost.

In fact, reading the mainstream press on the topic of this film is an object lesson in how propaganda is disseminated. It is a perfect illustration of the internalizing of the meta-narrative for climate, as it is for Covid 19. They can’t be separated, just as drone assassination and US/NATO Imperialist wars cannot be separated from SWAT teams kicking in doors in south-central.

But cutting across this, as I say, is the frightening erosion of democracy in the Covid 19 emergency. Never mind Malaria killed 400,000 last year, or that even the slimy frontman for Gates and his friends, Dr Fauci, admits the case mortality rate will be very low. It doesn’t matter because this stopped being about the virus long ago.

I am deeply sorry Gibbs did not resist, or maybe actively joined, the agenda of the eugenicists. And as to the lack of mention of the military, well, I honestly don’t know how that is even possible if you claim to be making a documentary about destruction of the planet. The US war machine cuts across ever aspect of human existence today. That is not hyperbole. And yet Gibbs ignored it. I want to defend Gibbs against the corporate attacks against him, but I find it hard.

I want to quote Paul Haeder, who is a social worker and writer in Oregon. This is a comment he made on his blog (which you should all read) here:

And the underlying message is population control. They great white hope of Michael Moore and I guess Jeff Gibbs is really the underpinning of the flick – and no credence is given to the millions upon millions of people fighting this bastardization of humanity, of life, called Western Capitalism. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of groups that Gibbs could have put front and center who are local, indigenous, part of the peasant movement, others, who are real forest protectors and water protectors and life protectors.

The for Evidence-Based Medicine (Oxford University) has the infection fatality rate at between 0.1% and 0.36%. That is pretty much what seasonal flu comes in at. Something many of us said a month ago. The comparisons between the climate discourse and the Covid discourse are striking. One might even think there was an agenda here. But such topics are nowhere to be seen in the Gibbs film.

The Fourth Industrial Revolution is one meant to permanently eliminate humans from their work and livelihoods. This is the dream of the 1%. The fact that western capital continues to promote the “we are the enemy” meme should make us suspicious. It does not seem to have made Gibbs suspicious at all.

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 3:54 pm
by Iamwhomiam
DrEvil » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:39 am wrote:
0_0 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:57 pm wrote:Bill Gates famously said that CO2 emissions should go to zero, that if we did a really great job with vaccines the global population could be reduced by 15% and now he actually used the phrase "final solution" vis-a-vis the vaccine that apparently will get us out of lockdown a year or two from here. So yeah, nothing to see here folks. Just the richest guy of the world with a heart of gold but unlucky in his phrasing. The skies are blue, the birds are singing and we're all saving lives and the environment. Yay!


He was talking about reducing population growth through reducing child mortality rates with vaccines (the logic being that if parents know their kids will grow up to support them in old age they won't have so many kids just to make sure some of them make it), not killing off 15% of the planet.

Whether that would actually work or not is still up for debate (my money is on education and easy access to contraceptives), but he wasn't advocating some Nazi final solution.

And CO2 emissions should go to zero as soon as possible. Right now would actually be an excellent time to start that. Let big oil fail and replace it with green industries.

CO2 levels will never reach 0, not ever. Not even if all human activity ceased.

Highest-Ever Mauna Loa CO2 Levels in recorded human history, May 1st 2020= 418.03 PPM

I'll have more to add later, but for now, I'd like to thank Rex for his comment on the first page.

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 4:14 pm
by DrEvil
^^I'm sure there will always be some level of CO2 emission from human activities, but we need to drastically reduce our current emission levels, and I think now would be a great opportunity to start. Everything is going to shit anyway, so we might as well use the opportunity to kill off the worst offenders and rebuild with better alternatives.

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 4:24 pm
by Belligerent Savant

Iamwhomiam » Sun May 03, 2020 2:54 pm wrote:I'll have more to add later, but for now, I'd like to thank Rex for his comment on the first page.

Which comment, and why?

Scrolling back a page, his first paragraph essentially reads:

1. Eugenics is already here, and will expand;
2. Earth is beyond carrying capacity.

Re: point 1: agreed. It's been here under varying guises for some time, and appears to be kicking into the next gear.

Re: point 2: i'm agnostic leaning on disagreement that we're 'beyond carrying capacity'; certain data points are showing trends in the opposite direction.

I also am quite distrusting of the overarching premise that an excess of 'average' (non-wealthy) humans is the primary problem.

This image offers a glimpse of one of the drivers of our collective ills, which counters the 'excessive population is the reason we're fucked' theory:


Welcome arguments otherwise, however.

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 4:27 pm
by Iamwhomiam
Dr Evil:
We're really embarking unto unknown territory with no happy ending in sight, I'm afraid. There's likely a dead end up ahead.

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 4:31 pm
by Belligerent Savant

Everything will end, per the entropic principle.

The question is: is a given end natural, or artificially accelerated?

Re: 'EcoFascism' and related Acts of Criminality.

PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2020 4:37 pm
by Iamwhomiam
I suppose that would depend upon your mindset. If you're a fascist - a nationalist, there could be no artificial extirpation; it would be a natural process of nature - survival of the fittest, no matter the means used to accomplish extirpation.