The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby Nordic » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:47 pm

Elvis. Seriously. You believe that leaky paper masks, which say on the box they are purchased in that they provide zero protection from viruses ... are protection from viruses?

How? Magic?

This mask worshipping thing is like clutching a crucifix believing it will protect you from evil spirits.

And you are smart enough to realize that coincidence does not equal causation. I hope?

Masks do nothing. They are placebos, and they are psychological tools to remind every single one of us that there’s a “Pandemic” occurring when there is NO OTHER SOLID EVIDENCE there is s pandemic occurring.
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby Nordic » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:50 pm

And there have only been just over 9,000 actual deaths from Covid in the United States.

The CDC just admitted it.

94% of the “deaths” previously reported had av average of 2.6 comorbidities. 94% of them didn’t actually die from Covid.

Look at the total deaths in the US for the last five or six months. They are actually mostly lower than previous years.

This has been the biggest mindfuck, the biggest con, in human history.

At RI we should be able to agree on that. It’s fucking obvious and was from day one.
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby Nordic » Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:55 pm

I actually came here just now to post this.

What is interesting is that he doesn’t once mention the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, or Davos.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... g-revealed

What’s going on in Australia now, and the last couple of weeks, should scare the living hell out of all of us.

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All over the Western world ever since 9/11 there have been incremental steps towards what many liberty advocates would call a “police state”; a system in which governments are no longer restricted by the boundaries of civil liberties and are given the power to do just about anything they want in the name of public safety.

The use of “the law” as a tool for injecting tyranny into a culture is the first tactic of all totalitarians.



The idea is that by simply writing government criminality into the law books, that criminality somehow becomes justified by virtue of legal recognition. It's all very circular. Whenever government abuse of the people is initiated, it's always initiated in the name of what's “best for society as a whole”. To save society, the individuals that make up a society must be sublimated or destroyed. This mentality is the complete opposite of what the Founding Fathers in America fought and died for, but as Thomas Jefferson once said:

“Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.”

In countries like Australia, which claim to value Western democratic principles of liberty and rule by the people, the perception is that civil rights are codified into the legal framework just as they are in the US. However, there are some glaring differences and issues; specifically, Australian citizens (like many European citizens) have absolutely no means to compel their government or the elites that influence their government to limit themselves. It is these nations, in which the populations have been mostly disarmed and pacified, that any agenda for tyranny will first be established. But we will get to that in a moment...

Make no mistake, there is a very OPEN and easily identifiable agenda on the part of globalists to establish a heavily centralized police state system in every country they are able. This is not “conspiracy theory”, this is conspiracy fact.

For many years now there have been numerous analysts, economists and geopolitical experts in the alternative media that have predicted and warned the public about the globalist strategy of “order out of chaos”. In other words, the ultra-wealthy power brokers that hold influence over most governments on Earth seek to “reshape” the existing social order through the creation of crisis and disaster. By engineering public desperation, they hope to lure us into accepting restrictions on our freedoms that we would have never considered otherwise.

The goal of a single global economy and government has been spoken of by elites time and time again, yet it is still to this day called “conspiracy theory” or “paranoid delusion”. I could quote these elites and their organizations all day long, but I'll cite a few choice statements to make my point.


As former Deputy Secretary of State under Clinton and Council on Foreign Relations member Strobe Talbot wrote in an article for Time Magazine in 1992 titled 'America Abroad: The Birth Of The Global Nation':

“In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.”

As elitist and Fabian Socialist HG Wells outlines in his non-fiction treatise titled 'The New World Order':

"...When the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people.”


And how about one of my favorite revealing quotes from Trilateral Commission member Richard N. Gardner, former deputy assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations under Kennedy and Johnson? He wrote in the April, 1974 issue of the Council on Foreign Relation’s (CFR) journal Foreign Affairs (pg. 558) in an article titled 'The Hard Road To World Order':

“In short, the ‘house of world order’ will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great ‘booming, buzzing confusion,’ to use William James’ famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault.”

Members of globalist foundations and think-tanks like the CFR have inhabited nearly every US government office and presidential cabinet for the past several decades. This includes the two dozen or so CFR members in Donald Trump's cabinet. Draining the swamp? Not going to happen.

As Harpers Magazine candidly revealed in a 1958 expose titled 'School For Statesmen':

“The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in common, they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for “the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all powerful one world government.”


The easiest method for the globalists to get what they openly say they want is to either conjure a crisis or exploit an existing crisis in order to “erode sovereignty”. The current pandemic fits this plan perfectly, but before sovereignty can be eliminated on a national level they need to undermine sovereignty on an individual level first.

Actions within the US and nations allied to the US suggest an accelerated attack on personal liberties is at hand.

There are sister foundations to the CFR in many other countries. For example, in Australia they have the highly embedded and influential Strategic Policy Institute, which has been consistently advocating for complete centralization of government power in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. Their stated plan is to concentrate policy administration in the hands of a new “commission” or “department” made up of the “brightest minds”. This commission would not be tasked with getting Australia back to normal, but convincing the public to ACCEPT the “new normal” beyond the pandemic.

The ASPI enthusiastically heralds the idea in an article titled 'Coronavirus Response A Chance To Reimagine Future For Australia':


“The agenda of such a department now is not about getting Australia back to normal after the pandemic. It’s about re-imagining what Australia can be and how we can thrive and prosper in our future beyond the coronavirus and in light of drought, bushfires and climate change. Think about the kind of new economy we can have after the forced, rapid adoption of dispersed home working and schooling through digital means. We can be the leading digital economy the prime minister desired before the pandemic, not by 2030 but much earlier.”

This reminds me immediately of the post 9/11 push to rapidly remove constitutional protections while the public was blinded by fear and confusion. As US globalist Rahm Emanuel would say:

“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.”

The ASPI reveals the true agenda, which is the complete federalization and unilateral implementation of law without public approval. The plan is to do this by exploiting the pandemic event to its full potential and then applying the rapid societal changes in government structure. This will then be carried on long after the coronavirus disappears in the name of the economy, welfare programs and so-called “global warming”. The pandemic response is just a means to an end, and the end game is total dominance of the population.

I focus on Australia and the surrounding regions in particular because this seems to be the place where globalists are enforcing technocratic policies first. Or at the very least, they are test-running their strategy and using Australians as guinea pigs. When the ASPI says they plan to keep the pandemic changes in place well after the virus is gone, they aren't just talking about shifting into a digital economy.

Right now, Australia and New Zealand are slamming citizens with perhaps the most draconian measures yet in the Western world. These are policies that the elites want to introduce everywhere, but they are going full bore in Australia, and it just keeps getting worse.

In various areas of Australia “Level 4” response measures have been enforced for at least the next six weeks, including curfews, strict mask policies including people being forced to wear masks OUTSIDE (contrary to everything science and virology has to say about low possibility of transmission in sunlight and open air), residents are not allowed to travel more than 3 miles from their homes and only one person from a household is allowed to leave at any given time. Citizens violating these rules are subject to $10,000 fines or arrest. And yes, people are being arrested simply for not wearing mask or being too far from home.

In New Zealand, the situation has become exceedingly grim and I think it should be treated as a warning to Americans specifically as to our potential future is we allow the narrative of “public health security” to be turned into a vehicle for tyranny.

While Australia has been using quarantine facilities to force people considered high risk to isolate, NZ quarantine camps are now fully under the control of the military, and ALL citizens that test positive or are suspected to have Covid can be separated from their families and placed in the camps, which are hotels converted into prisons.

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It is the complete erasure if personal liberties all because of an increase in cases which has amounted to a mere 525 deaths in Australia and 22 deaths in New Zealand.

I believe the reason Australia and New Zealand have been targeted with this level of restrictions first is because they have been almost fully disarmed and have no means to defend themselves from government overstep. That said, I see signs that similar measures will be attempted in the US as well. In states like New York, there are low key programs to set up Covid checkpoints stopping and checking vehicles coming into the state. This is where heavier restrictions start.

First, checkpoints will be established in the name of keeping infected people out of a state or city. Then, those same checkpoints will be used to keep people from leaving a state or city. Then, checkpoints will be set up at random to test people for fever or symptoms of illness. If allowed to continue, the natural progression of checkpoints is to terrify the population into not traveling anywhere for any reason. Like in Australia and NZ, people will effectively be imprisoned in their homes. At this stage, bringing in laws or executive orders punishing people for leaving home will be easier; they will have already acclimated to being trapped at home anyway.

Furthermore, elites and globalists within the US are calling for hard lockdowns for at least six weeks, just like the Level 4 lockdowns in Australia. Federal Reserve member Neel Kashkari recently asserted that Americans are saving more, thus they should be subjected to hard lockdowns “because they can afford it”.

Virginia is planning mandatory Covid vaccinations, even though vaccines for SARS like viruses have proven impossible to develop in the past, and rushed vaccines have a history of harming or killing people rather than protecting them. Set aside the issue that giving government the power to force citizens to inject anything into their bodies is immoral.

What's next? Covid camps? Well, yes, unless Americans make a hard stand. Mainstream media outlets have been suggesting this strategy for months. The Washington Post applauded the use of forced isolation camps in other nations and asks why the US has not yet used them beyond ports for foreign travelers? The reason is this: Many Americans will not go along with such measures, and will use force in-kind against anyone trying to lock them up because of a virus that is a moderate threat at most to a small percentage of the population.

That said, don't assume that the establishment will not eventually try it here. They will. Be ready when they do so. Look to the actions in places like Australia and NZ and ask yourself, am I willing to go along with that? And if so, for how long? Because the globalists intend for these restrictions to become the “new normal”. They intend for this nightmare to last forever.
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby Elvis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:44 pm

Nordic wrote:Masks do nothing.

If you believe that, okay. But you're wrong. It's a laughable statement. And who's limiting the discussion to cheap paper masks?—you.


Nordic wrote:94% of the “deaths” previously reported had av average of 2.6 comorbidities. 94% of them didn’t actually die from Covid.

That's not what the CDC said; that's the interpretation of what CDC said by people who either don't believe the virus is a real or is a problem, or who merely want us to believe that and prolong the crisis so they can profit and consolidate control. Why assist them?

I have emphysema. It's not life threatening, and I expect to live another 20 years or longer. If I get Covid-19 or some bad flu/respiratory virus and it finishes me off, which killed me?—emphysema or Covid-19? Also, fuck you for trying to kill me.


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Of course the world's elite seeks total control of the population. Nothing in this article means the virus is fake.

Also, while he's right about a good deal that we already know about the elite's aims and strategies, I can't take 'Tyler Durden' very seriously when it comes to economics, and I strongly advise not getting one's economic worldview from ZeroHedge.
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby liminalOyster » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:57 pm

Elvis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:44 pm wrote:
Nordic wrote:Masks do nothing.

If you believe that, okay. But you're wrong. It's a laughable statement. And who's limiting the discussion to cheap paper masks?—you.


It's not just laughable. It's totally inane mis/dis-info. [Some kinds of medical/industrial grade] masks [and respirators] filter out viruses from being inhaled. That's not disputable. It is a physical reality, apart from questions about 1) whether they should (ethically/politically) be mandated, 2) whether cloth is effective, 3) how effectively worn they are.


Nordic wrote:94% of the “deaths” previously reported had av average of 2.6 comorbidities. 94% of them didn’t actually die from Covid.

That's not what the CDC said; that's the interpretation of what CDC said by people who either don't believe the virus is a real or is a problem, or who merely want us to believe that and prolong the crisis so they can profit and consolidate control. Why assist them?

I have emphysema. It's not life threatening, and I expect to live another 20 years or longer. If I get Covid-19 or some bad flu/respiratory virus and it finishes me off, which killed me?—emphysema or Covid-19? Also, fuck you for trying to kill me.


Thank you, Elvis.


Nordic wrote:The Totalitarian Future Globalists Want For The Entire World Is Being Revealed

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Of course the world's elite seeks total control of the population. Nothing in this article means the virus is fake.

Also, while he's right about a good deal that we already know about the elite's aims and strategies, I can't take 'Tyler Durden' very seriously when it comes to economics, and I strongly advise not getting one's economic worldview from ZeroHedge.


IMHO, it's very disputable that the world's elite seeks "total control of the population." What's not disputable is they want to maintain and increase their wealth and are categorically immoral, not giving a fuck (FIAP) about the well-being of the population.But I personally don't think "they" want to "control" the population beyond ensuring said population doesn't pose a risk to their wealth and power. A subtle difference to you perhaps, an important one to me.
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby Elvis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:20 pm

liminalOyster wrote: I personally don't think "they" want to "control" the population beyond ensuring said population doesn't pose a risk to their wealth and power. A subtle difference to you perhaps, an important one to me.


Good point, taken, and of course "the elite" is not monolithic. But I sure would love to hear the Bilderberg executive sessions...not to mention the after-parties. :ohwh
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:48 pm

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Nordic wrote:94% of the “deaths” previously reported had av average of 2.6 comorbidities. 94% of them didn’t actually die from Covid.

Elvis wrote:That's not what the CDC said; that's the interpretation of what CDC said by people who either don't believe the virus is a real or is a problem, or who merely want us to believe that and prolong the crisis so they can profit and consolidate control. Why assist them?



What's your interpretation of what the CDC posted in its update?
(I haven't yet looked through it yet, myself, but will do so at my next opportunity; will likely have more thoughts once I have a chance to pore over it and compare it with the current interpretations out there.)


Elvis wrote:I have emphysema. It's not life threatening, and I expect to live another 20 years or longer. If I get Covid-19 or some bad flu/respiratory virus and it finishes me off, which killed me?—emphysema or Covid-19? Also, fuck you for trying to kill me.


That kinda sucks, and sorry to hear. If it's any consolation, my mother-in-law is 90 and has been enduring lung problems much of her adult life. She's practically living on half a lung and gets pneumonia at least once a year. Yet she's still sharp, and funny, when she's well. She may yet outlast me!
That aside: I'm sure you know no one here is aiming to hasten anyone's demise. I can appreciate how this talk of "comorbidities" and the updated metrics about how it may lessen chances for survival can be interpreted as a "finishing off" glibness, but most regular folk don't see it that way. (though I may be misinterpreting your final bit there: IF the 'Fuck you' is directed at the 'powers that be', then yes. F them).

Unfortunately, those with influence and power aren't 'regular folk' (which is part of the reason they have such wealth and power, alas).


liminalOyster wrote: I personally don't think "they" want to "control" the population beyond ensuring said population doesn't pose a risk to their wealth and power. A subtle difference to you perhaps, an important one to me.


I tend to agree, but ultimately it really doesn't matter that much does it? Spitting hairs, really. What's the end-game for them? Either scenario involves ending lives and livelihoods. Either scenario is still crappy for the average human.
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby DrEvil » Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:25 pm

Nordic » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:47 am wrote:Elvis. Seriously. You believe that leaky paper masks, which say on the box they are purchased in that they provide zero protection from viruses ... are protection from viruses?

How? Magic?

This mask worshipping thing is like clutching a crucifix believing it will protect you from evil spirits.

And you are smart enough to realize that coincidence does not equal causation. I hope?

Masks do nothing. They are placebos, and they are psychological tools to remind every single one of us that there’s a “Pandemic” occurring when there is NO OTHER SOLID EVIDENCE there is s pandemic occurring.


Heard of this thing called a droplet? The stuff that gushes out of your mouth and nose when you cough or sneeze? Isn't it just possible that a mask might catch some of them and reduce the viral load you spread to your environment, thereby reducing the odds of you infecting someone else?

The purpose of the mask isn't to protect you, it's to protect everyone else from you.

How many dead people do you demand as "solid evidence" that there is a pandemic happening? A million? Ten million? What is your idea of evidence anyway?
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby liminalOyster » Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:30 am

Elvis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:20 pm wrote:
liminalOyster wrote: I personally don't think "they" want to "control" the population beyond ensuring said population doesn't pose a risk to their wealth and power. A subtle difference to you perhaps, an important one to me.


Good point, taken, and of course "the elite" is not monolithic. But I sure would love to hear the Bilderberg executive sessions...not to mention the after-parties. :ohwh


Me too, for sure. I was speaking way too coarsely and did not acknowledge the obvious sadistic pleasure said elites are known (and reasonably speculated) to take in control in myriad forms. Also, the you in "subtle difference to you" was not directed at you, Elvis.
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby liminalOyster » Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:35 am

BelSav wrote:
liminalOyster wrote: I personally don't think "they" want to "control" the population beyond ensuring said population doesn't pose a risk to their wealth and power. A subtle difference to you perhaps, an important one to me.


I tend to agree, but ultimately it really doesn't matter that much does it? Spitting hairs, really. What's the end-game for them? Either scenario involves ending lives and livelihoods. Either scenario is still crappy for the average human.


Yes, agreed.

BelSav wrote:What's your interpretation of what the CDC posted in its update?


CDC Did Not ‘Admit Only 6%’ of Recorded Deaths from COVID-19
By Saranac Hale Spencer

Posted on September 1, 2020

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention hasn’t drastically reduced the number of deaths attributable to COVID-19, but posts making that bogus claim have been circulating widely — with the help of President Donald Trump, who retweeted one such claim on Aug. 30.

Twitter has since removed the original tweet, which came from an account dedicated to the pro-Trump conspiracy theory QAnon. But the claim is still readily available on all the major social media platforms. In fact, the same QAnon account that posted the now-deleted tweet includes a screenshot version featuring the president’s retweet.

The post Trump highlighted said: “This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid. That’s 9,210 deaths. The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age.”

But that’s not what the CDC information says.

In weekly updates provided on the CDC’s website, the agency includes information on additional conditions present in patients who died with COVID-19. These other illnesses or conditions found to be present in a patient are called comorbidities. The agency also includes a chart detailing the number of patients with each additional condition.

For the week referenced in the claim, the CDC explained that the chart “shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.”

That means that 6% of those who died with COVID-19 through Aug. 15 didn’t have any other reported conditions.

It does not mean that the CDC has “quietly updated” the number of deaths associated with COVID-19 to a fraction of what had been reported. It’s also not new information; the agency has been providing the same information since May.

Asked about Trump’s tweet during a press briefing on Aug. 31, though, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said that “he was highlighting new CDC information that came out that was worth noting.”

At that time, the total number of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. had passed 183,000, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, and the total number of cases across the country had passed 6 million.

McEnany said that the president was not trying to downplay the death toll.

The following morning, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, clarified what the CDC data mean.

He noted that the 6% figure includes cases where COVID-19 was listed as the only cause of death. “That does not mean that someone who has hypertension or diabetes who dies of Covid didn’t die of Covid-19. They did,” Fauci said on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

“So the numbers you’ve been hearing — the 180,000-plus deaths — are real deaths from Covid-19. Let [there] not be any confusion about that,” Fauci said.

Other versions of the claim are misleading, rather than being strictly false. One example is a headline on the conservative outlet Gateway Pundit, which announced: “This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID-19 Numbers – Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID-19 Alone – Rest Had Different Other Serious Illnesses.”

The president retweeted a link to that, too, and the phrase “only 6%” trended on Twitter.

Several media outlets flipped the percentage and reported that 94% of COVID-19 deaths had “underlying medical conditions.”

But the data on which all of this is based come from death certificates, which list any causes or conditions that contributed to a person’s death. In the case of COVID-19, the disease often causes other serious conditions, such as pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome. Those two conditions are among the ailments with the highest counts in the CDC’s comorbidity chart. Some long-term conditions that increase the risk for severe COVID-19, such as diabetes or hypertension, were also listed.

The underlying cause of death, however, is the condition that started the chain of events that led to a person’s death. In 92% of all deaths that mention COVID-19, that disease is listed as the underlying cause of death, Jeff Lancashire, spokesman for the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics, told FactCheck.org in an email.

As the epidemiologist and science writer Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz explained in a recent post, “it’s pretty rare that someone wouldn’t have at least one issue caused by coronavirus prior to their death, and all it means is that in 94% of cases people who had COVID-19 also developed other issues, or had other problems at the same time.”

Meyerowitz-Katz notes that influenza and pneumonia are listed as the most common concurrent diseases, which isn’t surprising. “Similarly,” he writes, “respiratory failure, something that the coronavirus directly causes, is listed here as a ‘comorbidity’ that 55,000 people had.”

So, it’s misleading to say that 94% of those who died with COVID-19 also had other ailments without explaining that the disease causes other serious illnesses. And it’s wrong to claim that only 6% of the recorded COVID-19 deaths were caused by the disease.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-d ... -covid-19/


So just to clarify that 94% included people whose "comorbidities" were caused by the virus, ala ARDS and pneumonia. Smoking gun rating: 0.

For all the mask trouncing "there's no evidence of a pandemic" set, please (humbly here) do try for a moment if you can to imagine or recognize that there are other posters on this board who 1) work in fields where we've seen the damn virus in action, 2) are at medical risk ourselves, 3) have lost or nearly lost loved ones, etc.

Because, perhaps, if you can/do, it will at least occur to you that you sound not only ignorant but practically psychopathically cruel. Anyone posting here agrees that COVID is, as all shocks are, being gamed by elites for their own agendas, but for those of us who've been unlucky enough to have some contact with it, we also see in our own lives that it's real and devastating and most of us can still hold both those truths at once,
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby PufPuf93 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:23 am

Nordic » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:50 pm wrote:And there have only been just over 9,000 actual deaths from Covid in the United States.

The CDC just admitted it.

94% of the “deaths” previously reported had av average of 2.6 comorbidities. 94% of them didn’t actually die from Covid.

Look at the total deaths in the US for the last five or six months. They are actually mostly lower than previous years.

This has been the biggest mindfuck, the biggest con, in human history.

At RI we should be able to agree on that. It’s fucking obvious and was from day one.


After reading you for years and I type this kindly, Nordic, what you have typed is nonsense and a very real part of the problem that, like it or not, we have as a nation (for those of us in USA) and species in general.

Rational behavior is for each individual to be as risk averse regarding CV19 as they can for each other more so than for ourselves.

The paranoia you state is a form of that of the ages, the enemy of most has capture your thoughts.

California is in form a shit storm with the virus, collapsed economies, and being on fire and bound to get worse.

I do not trust our leaders or the rich and probably share with you that they are not for either the Planet or the vast majority of humanity, now or in the future.

I do not have the answer save best to be calm, self-contained, and careful not to spread confusion. Please stop spreading confusion.

I cope, however ineffective, by going to that place where I am 12 years old and not yet cognizant of the troubles of the World.

Tonight I watched the Giants score 23 runs and beat the Rockies, a safe 12 year old space is watching baseball.

Meanwhile there is a 25,000 plus acre fire that has been burning since late July five miles south in the Trinity Alps Wilderness. About 15,000 acres of ancient forest burned on the north and west of the fire but the progress in these advances appeared to be blunted, the west and east flanks of the fire were reburning land that had heavily burned in the last 15 years. But the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th largest fires in the recorded history of California are burning concurrently elsewhere in the state.

Here is a map (uploaded this AM and as of yesterday evening. The black lines are what is thought to be stopped the red lines where the fire is hot. Evidently to the west the fire is near or within the Hupa Reservation. My location is on a ledge at the edge of a small residential subdivision about 3/4 inch west of Orleans, about 5 miles plus the River to reach my location (but not that important in the big picture)

https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/map/6891/1/104119

Today the fire blew up in the 100 F plus heat and is in a rage. Local temperature is expected to stay over 100 F for this week. Most of the day the sky was blue and I was glad the fire and threat appeared to have ebbed.

About 4 PM, Melanie who is the Karuk Indian Health Service coordinator for home elder care showed up at my house. I am not NA but hard core local and Melanie is my friend and acquaintance long before any health problems developed. Soon after she left, angry huge orange billowing smoke appeared on the horizon of the ridge south of the River from my home. Glad it got dark, lessens concern. I gossiped on phone and watched baseball.

Melanie told me two things (not yet in the news that is usually sketchy here in any case):

(1) The fire had blown up and near or into Hoopa Reservation (Hoopa place, Hupa people) and plans were being made in the event that Hoopa needs to be evacuated. What is burning in the western expansion is a landscape of ancient forest intermixed with plantations (from logging clear cuts of ancient forest) established between the 1950 and 1990 when curtailed by the Northern Spotted Owl. The fire meander more in ancient forest but rip through the plantations; about 30-35% of the landscape is plantation between the fire and Hoopa Valley and in the National Forest lands between the north of the fire and my location.

(2) There had been such a spike in CV19 infection in recent days on the Hupa Reservation that FEMA was coming to test all residents. The Hupa Reservation has been closed to outsiders since April, outsiders can drive through on HW96 but one is subject to arrest if leave the state highway corridor. That is the nearest real grocery and nearest bank (actually credit union, my bank) for me a 27 mile. Melanie's question to me is if evacuated where do the people go? Hoopa has more options but in my location there are only two ways out, Upriver and Downriver.

There are also a number of new fires in the mountains of coastal far Northern California. There are not the firefighters and other necessary assets to deal.

Then there is this about 2 miles from my house (note the terrain):

https://kymkemp.com/2020/08/25/body-fou ... ous-death/

https://kymkemp.com/2020/09/01/in-an-ap ... r-orleans/

And this (my friend): https://kiem-tv.com/2020/08/25/remains- ... ect-named/

So again in kindness, please put on your big boy pants and stop spreading paranoia, Nordic. Please. Shits going to get worse.
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:41 am

Nordic » 01 Sep 2020 09:55 wrote:I actually came here just now to post this.

What is interesting is that he doesn’t once mention the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, or Davos.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... g-revealed

What’s going on in Australia now, and the last couple of weeks, should scare the living hell out of all of us.

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All over the Western world ever since 9/11 there have been incremental steps towards what many liberty advocates would call a “police state”; a system in which governments are no longer restricted by the boundaries of civil liberties and are given the power to do just about anything they want in the name of public safety.

The use of “the law” as a tool for injecting tyranny into a culture is the first tactic of all totalitarians.



The idea is that by simply writing government criminality into the law books, that criminality somehow becomes justified by virtue of legal recognition. It's all very circular. Whenever government abuse of the people is initiated, it's always initiated in the name of what's “best for society as a whole”. To save society, the individuals that make up a society must be sublimated or destroyed. This mentality is the complete opposite of what the Founding Fathers in America fought and died for, but as Thomas Jefferson once said:

“Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.”

In countries like Australia, which claim to value Western democratic principles of liberty and rule by the people, the perception is that civil rights are codified into the legal framework just as they are in the US. However, there are some glaring differences and issues; specifically, Australian citizens (like many European citizens) have absolutely no means to compel their government or the elites that influence their government to limit themselves. It is these nations, in which the populations have been mostly disarmed and pacified, that any agenda for tyranny will first be established. But we will get to that in a moment...

Make no mistake, there is a very OPEN and easily identifiable agenda on the part of globalists to establish a heavily centralized police state system in every country they are able. This is not “conspiracy theory”, this is conspiracy fact.

For many years now there have been numerous analysts, economists and geopolitical experts in the alternative media that have predicted and warned the public about the globalist strategy of “order out of chaos”. In other words, the ultra-wealthy power brokers that hold influence over most governments on Earth seek to “reshape” the existing social order through the creation of crisis and disaster. By engineering public desperation, they hope to lure us into accepting restrictions on our freedoms that we would have never considered otherwise.

The goal of a single global economy and government has been spoken of by elites time and time again, yet it is still to this day called “conspiracy theory” or “paranoid delusion”. I could quote these elites and their organizations all day long, but I'll cite a few choice statements to make my point.


As former Deputy Secretary of State under Clinton and Council on Foreign Relations member Strobe Talbot wrote in an article for Time Magazine in 1992 titled 'America Abroad: The Birth Of The Global Nation':

“In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.”

As elitist and Fabian Socialist HG Wells outlines in his non-fiction treatise titled 'The New World Order':

"...When the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people ... will hate the new world order ... and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to evaluate its promise, we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people.”


And how about one of my favorite revealing quotes from Trilateral Commission member Richard N. Gardner, former deputy assistant Secretary of State for International Organizations under Kennedy and Johnson? He wrote in the April, 1974 issue of the Council on Foreign Relation’s (CFR) journal Foreign Affairs (pg. 558) in an article titled 'The Hard Road To World Order':

“In short, the ‘house of world order’ will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great ‘booming, buzzing confusion,’ to use William James’ famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault.”

Members of globalist foundations and think-tanks like the CFR have inhabited nearly every US government office and presidential cabinet for the past several decades. This includes the two dozen or so CFR members in Donald Trump's cabinet. Draining the swamp? Not going to happen.

As Harpers Magazine candidly revealed in a 1958 expose titled 'School For Statesmen':

“The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in common, they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for “the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all powerful one world government.”


The easiest method for the globalists to get what they openly say they want is to either conjure a crisis or exploit an existing crisis in order to “erode sovereignty”. The current pandemic fits this plan perfectly, but before sovereignty can be eliminated on a national level they need to undermine sovereignty on an individual level first.

Actions within the US and nations allied to the US suggest an accelerated attack on personal liberties is at hand.

There are sister foundations to the CFR in many other countries. For example, in Australia they have the ihighly embedded and influential Strategic Policy Institute, which has been consistently advocating for complete centralization of government power in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. Their stated plan is to concentrate policy administration in the hands of a new “commission” or “department” made up of the “brightest minds”. This commission would not be tasked with getting Australia back to normal, but convincing the public to ACCEPT the “new normal” beyond the pandemic.

The ASPI enthusiastically heralds the idea in an article titled 'Coronavirus Response A Chance To Reimagine Future For Australia':


“The agenda of such a department now is not about getting Australia back to normal after the pandemic. It’s about re-imagining what Australia can be and how we can thrive and prosper in our future beyond the coronavirus and in light of drought, bushfires and climate change. Think about the kind of new economy we can have after the forced, rapid adoption of dispersed home working and schooling through digital means. We can be the leading digital economy the prime minister desired before the pandemic, not by 2030 but much earlier.”

This reminds me immediately of the post 9/11 push to rapidly remove constitutional protections while the public was blinded by fear and confusion. As US globalist Rahm Emanuel would say:

“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.”

The ASPI reveals the true agenda, which is the complete federalization and unilateral implementation of law without public approval. The plan is to do this by exploiting the pandemic event to its full potential and then applying the rapid societal changes in government structure. This will then be carried on long after the coronavirus disappears in the name of the economy, welfare programs and so-called “global warming”. The pandemic response is just a means to an end, and the end game is total dominance of the population.

I focus on Australia and the surrounding regions in particular because this seems to be the place where globalists are enforcing technocratic policies first. Or at the very least, they are test-running their strategy and using Australians as guinea pigs. When the ASPI says they plan to keep the pandemic changes in place well after the virus is gone, they aren't just talking about shifting into a digital economy.

Right now, Australia and New Zealand are slamming citizens with perhaps the most draconian measures yet in the Western world. These are policies that the elites want to introduce everywhere, but they are going full bore in Australia, and it just keeps getting worse.

In various areas of Australia “Level 4” response measures have been enforced for at least the next six weeks, including curfews, strict mask policies including people being forced to wear masks OUTSIDE (contrary to everything science and virology has to say about low possibility of transmission in sunlight and open air), residents are not allowed to travel more than 3 miles from their homes and only one person from a household is allowed to leave at any given time. Citizens violating these rules are subject to $10,000 fines or arrest. And yes, people are being arrested simply for not wearing mask or being too far from home.

In New Zealand, the situation has become exceedingly grim and I think it should be treated as a warning to Americans specifically as to our potential future is we allow the narrative of “public health security” to be turned into a vehicle for tyranny.

While Australia has been using quarantine facilities to force people considered high risk to isolate, NZ quarantine camps are now fully under the control of the military, and ALL citizens that test positive or are suspected to have Covid can be separated from their families and placed in the camps, which are hotels converted into prisons.

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It is the complete erasure if personal liberties all because of an increase in cases which has amounted to a mere 525 deaths in Australia and 22 deaths in New Zealand.

I believe the reason Australia and New Zealand have been targeted with this level of restrictions first is because they have been almost fully disarmed and have no means to defend themselves from government overstep. That said, I see signs that similar measures will be attempted in the US as well. In states like New York, there are low key programs to set up Covid checkpoints stopping and checking vehicles coming into the state. This is where heavier restrictions start.

First, checkpoints will be established in the name of keeping infected people out of a state or city. Then, those same checkpoints will be used to keep people from leaving a state or city. Then, checkpoints will be set up at random to test people for fever or symptoms of illness. If allowed to continue, the natural progression of checkpoints is to terrify the population into not traveling anywhere for any reason. Like in Australia and NZ, people will effectively be imprisoned in their homes. At this stage, bringing in laws or executive orders punishing people for leaving home will be easier; they will have already acclimated to being trapped at home anyway.

Furthermore, elites and globalists within the US are calling for hard lockdowns for at least six weeks, just like the Level 4 lockdowns in Australia. Federal Reserve member Neel Kashkari recently asserted that Americans are saving more, thus they should be subjected to hard lockdowns “because they can afford it”.

Virginia is planning mandatory Covid vaccinations, even though vaccines for SARS like viruses have proven impossible to develop in the past, and rushed vaccines have a history of harming or killing people rather than protecting them. Set aside the issue that giving government the power to force citizens to inject anything into their bodies is immoral.

What's next? Covid camps? Well, yes, unless Americans make a hard stand. Mainstream media outlets have been suggesting this strategy for months. The Washington Post applauded the use of forced isolation camps in other nations and asks why the US has not yet used them beyond ports for foreign travelers? The reason is this: Many Americans will not go along with such measures, and will use force in-kind against anyone trying to lock them up because of a virus that is a moderate threat at most to a small percentage of the population.

That said, don't assume that the establishment will not eventually try it here. They will. Be ready when they do so. Look to the actions in places like Australia and NZ and ask yourself, am I willing to go along with that? And if so, for how long? Because the globalists intend for these restrictions to become the “new normal”. They intend for this nightmare to last forever.



Well that's five minutes of my life I'll never get back.

When the state of Victoria, specifically the city of Melbourne, went into stage four lockdown they had rapidly increasing new infections, over 700 a day. We had less than 100 deaths across the country. At this point the new infection rate is under 100 a day. But there are a lot more dead people due to COVID. They may have had comorbidities but they are still dead earlier than they would otherwise have been. They still missed out on life they would otherwise have had.

The plan to move out of stage four lockdown is fuzzy but understandable if you listen. My mum is down there, seventy five and a cancer survivor. No idiot. Happy for the lockdown. She (and I) know people down there who are now recovered from it. The reason they got it was cos of an outbreak from those "isolation camps" ie luxury hotels in the city with pretty lax enforcement of the quarantine.

Which is probably why NZ is so strict with their quarantine enforcement. They saw what happened when it broke out in Melbourne.

Also Australians have been living in an increasingly ongoing state of emergency this century. Because of the climate crisis. Drought, fire, flood in an increasing rapid and more intense cycle this century. So we aren't so into wearing out arses as hats as we may have been if we hadn't watched things go to shit for so long now. This is a serious situation. If we take appropriate action now we can go back to our previous lifestyle at least as much as possible. That has happened where I live.

These lockdowns are fucked but comparing our situation to the rest of the world it's clear the other options are worse. We aren't idiots despite what that typist reckons. It's pretty fucken obvious that cos we are isolated from the world we can better manage this shitty bug if we are prepared to put up with some temporary inconvenience.

I love reading unmitigated crap typed by patronising wankers who don't know what they are actually talking about.
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Re: The Covid19 New World Order and the World Economic Forum

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:54 pm

liminalOyster » Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:35 am wrote:
BelSav wrote:What's your interpretation of what the CDC posted in its update?


CDC Did Not ‘Admit Only 6%’ of Recorded Deaths from COVID-19
By Saranac Hale Spencer

Posted on September 1, 2020

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention hasn’t drastically reduced the number of deaths attributable to COVID-19, but posts making that bogus claim have been circulating widely — with the help of President Donald Trump, who retweeted one such claim on Aug. 30.

Twitter has since removed the original tweet, which came from an account dedicated to the pro-Trump conspiracy theory QAnon. But the claim is still readily available on all the major social media platforms. In fact, the same QAnon account that posted the now-deleted tweet includes a screenshot version featuring the president’s retweet.

The post Trump highlighted said: “This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid. That’s 9,210 deaths. The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age.”

But that’s not what the CDC information says.

In weekly updates provided on the CDC’s website, the agency includes information on additional conditions present in patients who died with COVID-19. These other illnesses or conditions found to be present in a patient are called comorbidities. The agency also includes a chart detailing the number of patients with each additional condition.

For the week referenced in the claim, the CDC explained that the chart “shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.”

That means that 6% of those who died with COVID-19 through Aug. 15 didn’t have any other reported conditions.

It does not mean that the CDC has “quietly updated” the number of deaths associated with COVID-19 to a fraction of what had been reported. It’s also not new information; the agency has been providing the same information since May.

Asked about Trump’s tweet during a press briefing on Aug. 31, though, White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany said that “he was highlighting new CDC information that came out that was worth noting.”

At that time, the total number of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. had passed 183,000, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, and the total number of cases across the country had passed 6 million.

McEnany said that the president was not trying to downplay the death toll.

The following morning, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, clarified what the CDC data mean.

He noted that the 6% figure includes cases where COVID-19 was listed as the only cause of death. “That does not mean that someone who has hypertension or diabetes who dies of Covid didn’t die of Covid-19. They did,” Fauci said on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

“So the numbers you’ve been hearing — the 180,000-plus deaths — are real deaths from Covid-19. Let [there] not be any confusion about that,” Fauci said.

Other versions of the claim are misleading, rather than being strictly false. One example is a headline on the conservative outlet Gateway Pundit, which announced: “This Week CDC Quietly Updated COVID-19 Numbers – Only 9,210 Americans Died From COVID-19 Alone – Rest Had Different Other Serious Illnesses.”

The president retweeted a link to that, too, and the phrase “only 6%” trended on Twitter.

Several media outlets flipped the percentage and reported that 94% of COVID-19 deaths had “underlying medical conditions.”

But the data on which all of this is based come from death certificates, which list any causes or conditions that contributed to a person’s death. In the case of COVID-19, the disease often causes other serious conditions, such as pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome. Those two conditions are among the ailments with the highest counts in the CDC’s comorbidity chart. Some long-term conditions that increase the risk for severe COVID-19, such as diabetes or hypertension, were also listed.

The underlying cause of death, however, is the condition that started the chain of events that led to a person’s death. In 92% of all deaths that mention COVID-19, that disease is listed as the underlying cause of death, Jeff Lancashire, spokesman for the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics, told FactCheck.org in an email.

As the epidemiologist and science writer Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz explained in a recent post, “it’s pretty rare that someone wouldn’t have at least one issue caused by coronavirus prior to their death, and all it means is that in 94% of cases people who had COVID-19 also developed other issues, or had other problems at the same time.”

Meyerowitz-Katz notes that influenza and pneumonia are listed as the most common concurrent diseases, which isn’t surprising. “Similarly,” he writes, “respiratory failure, something that the coronavirus directly causes, is listed here as a ‘comorbidity’ that 55,000 people had.”

So, it’s misleading to say that 94% of those who died with COVID-19 also had other ailments without explaining that the disease causes other serious illnesses. And it’s wrong to claim that only 6% of the recorded COVID-19 deaths were caused by the disease.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-d ... -covid-19/


So just to clarify that 94% included people whose "comorbidities" were caused by the virus, ala ARDS and pneumonia. Smoking gun rating: 0.

For all the mask trouncing "there's no evidence of a pandemic" set, please (humbly here) do try for a moment if you can to imagine or recognize that there are other posters on this board who 1) work in fields where we've seen the damn virus in action, 2) are at medical risk ourselves, 3) have lost or nearly lost loved ones, etc.

Because, perhaps, if you can/do, it will at least occur to you that you sound not only ignorant but practically psychopathically cruel. Anyone posting here agrees that COVID is, as all shocks are, being gamed by elites for their own agendas, but for those of us who've been unlucky enough to have some contact with it, we also see in our own lives that it's real and devastating and most of us can still hold both those truths at once,



Liminal - thanks for sharing this. I've no doubt the interpretations on this latest CDC update have been skewed by political leanings. The above article adds some context, but you'll forgive me for keeping a cynical eyebrow raised.

It mentions pneumonia or acute respiratory distress syndrome as ailments caused by COVID, but COVID is not the only source for those ailments. Prior to 2020/COVID-19, pneumonia and respiratory distress syndrome were byproducts of other illnesses/viruses as well.

The testing process itself has been shown to be inaccurate at times -- false positives, although reduced (reportedly), will skew statistics. There remains the question as to whether or not the COVID testing process truly isolates only this latest strain of COVID, rather than include other coronavirus strains as well, which in turn will inflate positive cases. Haven't checked on this recently, though -- perhaps there's been updates I've missed.

Again, to reiterate: what I'm suggesting is that scrutiny across the board remains necessary here, and: figures/statistics are subject to margins of error due to inadvertent -- and advertent -- skewing/misrepresentation.

The misinfo/disinfo radar remains in the red when it comes to this topic, particularly given how politicized it's become.

One other note -- and this may not be of major consequence -- but it's interesting to see a couple usual suspects listed via factcheck.org's funding page:

https://www.factcheck.org/our-funding/

Annenberg Foundation: $207,632

Facebook: $323,745

Google: $100,000

Stanton Foundation: $50,000

Individual donors: $139,230
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Postby liminalOyster » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:50 pm

Oh of course, and I'm skeptical of much right now including Cui Bono etc. But in this case, I feel comfortable with my ability to parse FactCheck's data on its own terms regardless of its gnarly funding. I also have the "pleasure" of regular contact with some of those working on the front lines and believe what I'm hearing from them. Among other things, Nordic's asinine comment that "masks don't work" is a real slap in the face for one person in particular - a relative who works on a COVID ward and has watched healthy (some early 20s) people die of ARDS and, thanks to good PPE never tested positive or gotten sick, themself.

TBH, none of this in any way weakens my skepticism. If anything it has pushed it to aspire to greater sophistication. Plandemic is a cartoon, FAIAP.

But this only makes me realize how little I actually understand of the machine, the elites, and the obviously self-interested obscure organs of power which shape these shocks and use them and terror and etc to their own gain.

But OTOH I also think we're extremely lucky that COVID is basically so weak. Nothing but categorical faith in a benevolent god should dissuade any thinking person from understanding that the centuries long project of industrial geology tampering and climate change (and capitalism, deforestation, genetic mod, etc) has made it more likely than not that eventually a much more lethal pathogen will happily dance across earth killing a substantial chunk of the population.

The possibility of triaging that, we now know, would fail due to a kind of idiot skepticism, not the intelligent kind which I read in your comments.

Obviously this in no makes Bill Gates or anyone else into a nice guy all the sudden. Nor does it make me want to put my faith in capital s Science or planning or whatever.

I don't understand the current situation really at all and I don't really trust anyone who thinks they do. I almost solely trust those who are able/willing to be skeptical on nearly every front but still distinguish the situation clearly enough (as best we can understand it at least) to prevent harm and promote care of others.
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