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Postby Grizzly » Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:28 am

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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby Harvey » Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:58 am



Blackrock and Vanguard both trace back to Barclays (founded in the 1600's) and vice versa, they are all the same entity. Blackrock and Vanguard are the owner of Pfizer. Former Barclays boss was a friend or client of Epstein the industrial blackmailer. Epstein dies a month before Event 201 takes place, a few months later Covid happens then Barclays boss slithers off into the sunset. Just saying.
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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby Grizzly » Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:12 am

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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby Grizzly » Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:51 pm

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FBI loses all the CDs seized in Epstein case. They lost them, or destroyed everything?
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/rjev8u/fbi_loses_all_the_cds_seized_in_epstein_case_the/

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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby liminalOyster » Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:53 am

The hangout is no longer limited. It's 100% out in the open and the big reveal is that it doesn't even make a difference, for all all Maxwell will probably go to jail and Loftus was made to look like the evil clown she is.. The unifying feature in Loftus's appearances looks much more like "people who appear to be part of human trafficking operations are innocent" rather than anything related to memory, "false" or otherwise. E.G., https://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story?id=2372612 in which the tables were turned and it was a serial perp who was now suffering from "false memories"

The third witness was Professor Elizabeth Loftus, a psychologist and specialist in false memory. An expert witness in perhaps as many as 300 trials, she asserted that fake facts could be implanted in people: “False memories … can be very vivid, detailed. People can be confident about them, people can be emotional about them, even though they’re false.” She told the jury “emotion is no guarantee that the memory is authentic”.

Prosecutor Lara Pomerantz noted that Loftus was being paid $600 an hour by the defence and that she’d written a book, Witness for the Defense.

“You haven’t written a book called ‘Impartial Witness’, right?” said Pomerantz, whose voice is so high-pitched she sounds like a very scary bat.

“No,” said Loftus, glumly.

Pomerantz moved on to Loftus’s research. She got the professor to cite the catchphrase of a figure in one of her studies– “What’s up, Doc?”. Loftus had shown that 16% of people said they’d seen Bugs Bunny at Disneyland, a false memory because the fictional rabbit is a Warner Bros character, correct? Correct, the witness had to agree. Hanging in the air was the thought that 84% didn’t see Bugs Bunny at the wrong theme park. Next, we were on a second study, where Loftus and co had tried to implant the false memory of people having had a rectal enema. No one did so, the point being that people remember trauma clearly. False memory did not have a good day in court. No wonder Maxwell seemed distraught.


From: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ne-maxwell
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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby Marionumber1 » Mon Dec 20, 2021 11:41 pm

Funny how that works, isn't it? The effort to cover up child abuse and trafficking cases is so strong that even when perps confess, those confessions are presumed to be false memories by spychiatrists and spychologists such as Loftus. (For another example, see how Richard Ofshe unconvincingly tried to discredit confessions by Thurston County WA GOP chairman Paul Ingram to abusing his daughters.)

In that specific case you cite about John Mark Karr, it's especially interesting because there's some doubt about whether his confession was truly false. I've posted before about how JonBenet Ramsey's murder was almost certainly linked to pedophile rings that overlap with the Epstein network, with Ghislaine potentially even appearing in a photo with JonBenet. This network seems to have involved, among others, JonBenet's family (her father John Ramsey as well as the Paugh family on her mother Patsy's side) and the family of John Ramsey's best friend Fleet White. Karr is widely believed to have falsely confessed to JonBenet's murder, but there are many aspects of his story suggesting he could have actually been associated with this Ramsey/White pedophile circle:

  • While his confession is generally perceived as taking responsibility for JonBenet's murder, he actually just placed himself at the scene of her death, claiming that someone else killed her and he assisted with covering up the crime scene. In other words, Karr placed himself as one participant in a pedophile conspiracy and represented himself as some sort of fixer on their behalf.
  • There are persistent rumors that Karr was providing children to high-level US government officials (diplomats and military officers) during the time he lived in Thailand. I have yet to verify this, but it is strange that after Karr was extradited, the child pornography charges he faced in California fell apart when the sheriff's office conveniently lost his computer that was critical to proving their case.
  • Several odd hints point to Karr being familiar with the Ramseys and Whites. John Ramsey and the Paughs were tripping over themselves to make absolutely clear that they had never heard of Karr before (to the point where John supposedly told one of them that he didn't remember Karr's name when informing them of Karr's arrest :lol: ). Karr's interview in 2007 by Greta Van Susteren (herself a shady figure who sabotaged the defense of Franklin scandal witness Henry Vinson before her pundit days) is full of bizarre slip-ups, like saying he "of course" had seen the Ramsey home "on several occasions" and in-person (@ 13:38), and being oddly cagey along the lines of "I can't respond to that" when asked if he previously knew Patsy Ramsey and John Ramsey (@ 16:09). And Karr had also written a creepy poem titled "The Daxis Damsel" about his adoration for a girl he called Daphne Rose; it just so happens that Fleet White's daughter is named Daphne Rose White.
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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby liminalOyster » Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:20 am

Thanks for this Marion. It's been awhile and I haven't read about it in ages but it brings back alot of fragments of what I had once read. My sense at the time was always that Karr was part of a ring and that Loftus being called in was pretty much proof positive thereof, given how bizarre it was to suddenly equate "FMSF" with the (purported) delusions of a grown man confessing to a crime.
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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:22 am

liminalOyster » Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:53 pm wrote:The hangout is no longer limited. It's 100% out in the open


That would be great. It would be awesome to see a frank discussion in Federal court about blackmail in Washington, DC. It would be great to have the intelligence connections of this operation discussed by someone other than bloggers being handed portfolios from Ari Ben Menashe (or Wexner's defense team) as grist for their latest round on the podcast circuit. I would welcome greater exposure of the operations in New Jersey, New Mexico, and especially France.

As MARIOICHIBAN alludes above, I think that Epstein and Maxwell were involved in a lot more than grooming 14 year olds. I also think that narrative has been carefully shaped for a long time by assets in Florida, by Vicky Ward at Vanity Fair, and most especially by Nick Bryant, who is a curious character that bears a strong resemblance to operators like Barbara Honegger or Oswald Le Winter. Or, gosh, come to think of it, like John DeCamp.

People get burned all the time, often to cover for networks and operations that cannot. And what Maxwell is currently going through is extremely kid gloves, even in the face of what little evidence we do have in the public record.
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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby liminalOyster » Tue Dec 21, 2021 3:47 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:22 am wrote:
liminalOyster » Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:53 pm wrote:The hangout is no longer limited. It's 100% out in the open


That would be great. It would be awesome to see a frank discussion in Federal court about blackmail in Washington, DC. It would be great to have the intelligence connections of this operation discussed by someone other than bloggers being handed portfolios from Ari Ben Menashe (or Wexner's defense team) as grist for their latest round on the podcast circuit. I would welcome greater exposure of the operations in New Jersey, New Mexico, and especially France.

As MARIOICHIBAN alludes above, I think that Epstein and Maxwell were involved in a lot more than grooming 14 year olds. I also think that narrative has been carefully shaped for a long time by assets in Florida, by Vicky Ward at Vanity Fair, and most especially by Nick Bryant, who is a curious character that bears a strong resemblance to operators like Barbara Honegger or Oswald Le Winter. Or, gosh, come to think of it, like John DeCamp.

People get burned all the time, often to cover for networks and operations that cannot. And what Maxwell is currently going through is extremely kid gloves, even in the face of what little evidence we do have in the public record.


You're right, and fair enough Rex. My overstatement is heartily acknowledged. But there are, at bare minimum, enough pieces quietly laid out openly on now major news networks that RI c.00s would be shocked. No?

Are they pieced together? No, not at all. Will they be by anyone except maybe more RI types? No. But will they unconsciously reveal a greater stickiness of Truth to clams of the existence of large-scale and systemic coordinated sexual blackmail among more people? I suspect so. I'm optimistic though.

Even just the ability to connect some of the pieces is a bit more accessible due to the flight log and Loftus, etc? No? I think/hope so.

I also still think that's why the Q-NLP machine exists - quickly recast any such syntactic assemblage into a buncha of JPUSA type Jesus freaks waiting on a Kennedy's second coming in Dallas.

Maybe we should send them some Dominos to freak then out, the way people used to send it to #OWS.....?
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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:15 pm

liminalOyster » Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:47 pm wrote:But there are, at bare minimum, enough pieces quietly laid out openly on now major news networks that RI c.00s would be shocked. No?


Absolutely so. The level of vindication is monumental compared to the paucity of breadcrumbs 20 years ago.

liminalOyster » Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:47 pm wrote:I also still think that's why the Q-NLP machine exists - quickly recast any such syntactic assemblage into a buncha of JPUSA type Jesus freaks waiting on a Kennedy's second coming in Dallas.


Completely agree. It's UFOlogy on steroids, an invaluable force multiplier / testing sandbox.
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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby Grizzly » Fri Dec 24, 2021 10:43 am

https://twitter.com/KristanTHarris

Journalist Covering Ghislaine Trial Has Laptop Stolen from Airbnb After Maxwell Sister Snaps His Photo


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According to The Rundown Live host Kristan T. Harris, the incident – which took less than 2 minutes and resulted in only his laptop being stolen – happened mere hours after he had his photo taken outside the courtroom by none other than the sister of accused underage sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell, Isabel Maxwell.
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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby Grizzly » Mon Dec 27, 2021 1:49 pm

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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby BenDhyan » Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:58 pm

Guilty 5 0f 6!

Ghislaine Maxwell convicted in Epstein sex abuse case

By TOM HAYS and LARRY NEUMEISTER 10 minutes ago

NEW YORK (AP) — The British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted Wednesday of luring teenage girls to be sexually abused by the American millionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

The verdict capped a monthlong trial featuring sordid accounts of the sexual exploitation of girls as young as 14, told by four women who described being abused as teens in the 1990s and early 2000s at Epstein’s palatial homes in Florida, New York and New Mexico.

Jurors deliberated for five full days before finding Maxwell guilty of five of six counts. With the maximum prison terms for each charge ranging from five to 40 years in prison, Maxwell faces the likelihood of years behind bars — an outcome long sought by women who spent years fighting in civil courts to hold her accountable for her role in recruiting and grooming Epstein’s teenage victims and sometimes joining in the sexual abuse.

As the verdict was read, Maxwell was largely stoic behind a black mask. Afterward, she could be seen pouring herself water as one of her attorneys patted her back. She stood with her hands folded as the jury filed out, and glanced at her siblings — faithfully in attendance each day of the trial — as she herself was led from the courtroom. She did not hug her lawyers on the way out, a marked change from previous days during which Maxwell and her team were often physically affectionate with one another.

No sentencing date was set.

https://apnews.com/article/ghislaine-maxwell-convicted-jeffrey-epstein-trial-verdict-63a71a2825eab41184a79e37bb967e90

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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby liminalOyster » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:53 pm

It's hard to feel too satisfied given how much didn't come out at trial. Ah well.
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Re: Ghislaine Maxwell Trial

Postby drstrangelove » Thu Dec 30, 2021 12:33 am

Sentencing will be the interesting part. As far as her reputation goes she was always going to be guilty. I'm thinking she'll get something like the I.G Farben directors got at Nuremberg trials.

5 or so years, minus time already served, out in one year or maybe even months. This as worst case scenario.

Now if she got anything somewhat concrete looking over 5 years, that would be somewhat baffling, because it would create a situation in which she is likely to either name some names or commit suicide, these not necessarily being mutually exclusive avenues. As these are the same people that did hang her father out to dry, or rather wet; something she readily admitted to Maria Farmer. . .allegedly. Though Farmer is probably the best primary source for this kind of information.
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