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MacCruiskeen » Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:17 pm wrote:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote:parents are criminaliized for trans kids

What? "Criminalized"? Really? For what, exactly?

AOC wrote:trans kids

What?

Belligerent Savant » Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:05 pm wrote:^^^^^^^^^^

Indeed. That topic is worthy of its own thread. Hormone-altering drugs (and all manner of psychological priming) pushed on children who haven't even initiated, or completed, puberty. The fucking medical/pharma cartels at work. Yet again. Among other interests.

Of course, there are all types of humans in this world. The feeling of discomfort within one's body/sex is certainly not a new phenomenon. But it's not "organic" that there's been orders of magnitude increases in pre-teens/teens self-identifying as something other than male/female over the last ~5 yrs.

It would be naive to believe this isn't due at least in part to social conditioning/social media mechanisms, among other factors.

And it's absolutely not 'happenstance' that AOC raises this signal in that tweet. It's a topic of interest (i.e., yet another vehicle for altering mindsets/social customs, which ostensibly -- casually -- may be observed by some as another social trend to be accepted, but there's other agendas in play here) - and will continue to be so.

Harvey » Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:30 pm wrote:

Belligerent Savant » Sun Mar 20, 2022 2:05 am wrote:The feeling of discomfort within one's body/sex is certainly not a new phenomenon.

Predators instinctively know how to take down their prey, any emergent movement (read - weaponisable weakness) is almost certainly monitored in real time. It's even easier when every mediated voice belongs to the oligarchs.

But it's not "organic" that there's been orders of magnitude increases in pre-teens/teens self-identifying as something other than male/female.

Don't be too sure, yet. Total information awareness buys a certain amount of insight into what nature does quite naturally and long before anyone else notices. It could easily be that nature is doing something for good reasons, which the predators are seeking to re-direct, control and weaponise.

It would be naive to believe this isn't due at least in part to social conditioning/social media mechanisms, among other factors.

True.

And it's absolutely not 'happenstance' that AOC raises this signal in that tweet.

Absolutely not.

there's other agendas in play here) - and will continue to be so.

Exactly. To blithely assume there isn't is simply unsupported by everything in history.

Belligerent Savant » Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:33 pm wrote:Thoughtful responses. And this:

Harvey » Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:30 pm wrote:

But it's not "organic" that there's been orders of magnitude increases in pre-teens/teens self-identifying as something other than male/female.

Don't be too sure, yet. Total information awareness buys a certain amount of insight into what nature does quite naturally and long before anyone else notices. It could easily be that nature is doing something for good reasons, which the predators are seeking to re-direct, control and weaponise.

Astute consideration -- it hadn't occurred to me. Worthy of further reflection as events/trends develop.

MacCruiskeen » Sat Mar 19, 2022 9:04 pm wrote:There is no such thing as a "trans kid". The whole notion is contemptible bullshit and any politician who even pays lip service to it is a charlatan complicit in child abuse. The mainstreaming of this junk was a significant new stage in the ongoing War on Reality.

There's a photo of me and my brother, taken by my aunt K. in the back court when we were 4 and 3 respectively. We're wearing tea towels for headscarfs and bathtowels for skirts, we're carrying our mother's & aunt's handbags, we're shuffling about in their big high-heeled shoes, and we're grinning our faces off. My aunt's penciled note on the back: "The boys 'being ladies' ".

More often at that age, we "identified as" lions and tigers, clearly an early sign that we were trans-species.

Grizzly » Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:01 pm wrote:Total information awareness buys a certain amount of insight into what nature does quite naturally and long before anyone else notices. It could easily be that nature is doing something for good reasons, which the predators are seeking to re-direct, control and weaponise.

This...

Gnomad » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:32 am wrote:

MacCruiskeen » Sun Mar 20, 2022 5:04 am wrote:There is no such thing as a "trans kid". The whole notion is contemptible bullshit and any politician who even pays lip service to it is a charlatan complicit in child abuse. The mainstreaming of this junk was a significant new stage in the ongoing War on Reality.

There's a photo of me and my brother, taken by my aunt K. in the back court when we were 4 and 3 respectively. We're wearing tea towels for headscarfs and bathtowels for skirts, we're carrying our mother's & aunt's handbags, we're shuffling about in their big high-heeled shoes, and we're grinning our faces off. My aunt's penciled note on the back: "The boys 'being ladies' ".

More often at that age, we "identified as" lions and tigers, clearly an early sign that we were trans-species.

I most strongly disagree with you on this.

I was married for a long time to a trans man - that is, born into a female body but always identified as male. From his childhood pictures you could see already at age 7 that he looked much more like a boy, even thou of course was dressed in girls clothes back then. He told me that he always felt he was a boy, from at least about age 7 or 8. At 12 he started using boyish clothes and cut his hair short.

That never changed, from teen age on he realized he actually was a man, but in the wrong body. Never felt comfortable in it.

When we were living together, he would pass as a man to many people, even though he did not start hormone therapy or have surgery, simply started living life as he wanted. Was able to change his name to a gender-neutral one too, even though the official gender was still female.

Many trans people have known it from very early childhood.

What I do agree on is that one should not go lightly to things like gender surgery or hormone therapy, and I for one am of the opinion that society should accommodate peoples identities as they are, without mandating drastic changes to ones body or hormones. One should be free to do as they choose though, when they are adults and have had time to consider everything.

But society should not push you into anything like that. In some traditional societies people were far more free to live their lives as they identified.

Examples -
https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/conten ... equality/#!
https://www.rewire.org/two-spirited-third-gender/

MacCruiskeen » Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:58 am wrote:Gnomad, my objection was specifically to the cant term "trans kids", to the junk "science" behind it, and to the "caring" careerist politicians who mouth that phrase so opportunistically without the slightest care for the damage it has done and is doing to countless children (and adults) worldwide.

(I want to say more about this later, but I have to go out now. Is there already a dedicated RI thread for this topic?)

Perspective > Medscape Diabetes & Endocrinology
COMMENTARY

Time to Hit Pause on 'Pausing' Puberty in Gender-Dysphoric Youth

William Malone, MD

DISCLOSURES September 17, 2021

Teens are identifying as transgender in record numbers. In 2017, 3-4 in 100 teens in the United States reported that they are or may be transgender. A more recent 2021 study suggests that the rate of transgender identification among America's youth may be as high as 9 in 100. All of the major gender centers in the world have reported a several-thousand-percent increase in youth presenting with gender distress.

How do we reconcile these numbers with 2013 data reporting the prevalence of adult gender dysphoria to be a rare 2-14 in 100,000. Reflection is warranted because many US medical societies support providing youth who have transgender identification (over 1 million children and adolescents, using the latest estimates) with access to powerful endocrine interventions...

Dr. Graham Pinn
NOVEMBER 5, 2021
An excellent and long overdue article. How much damage has been done in the pursuit of this untested approach to the transgender epidemic, did we forget the concepts of controlled clinical trials? Psychologists have much to answer for in their desire to invent new conditions; there are numerous other examples of new disorders which have turned poor parenting into psychological conditions. Drug therapy has produced long term consequences, but the role of surgical intervention is even more disturbing. The lawyers picnic has begun.

Dr. Karen Raymer
SEPTEMBER 26, 2021
This is an excellent summary of the evidence that we have to date on this most important topic. Social pressure can arise from the best of intentions, but it must not change the thresholds required for a medical intervention. Children deserve evidence-based medicine for any and all conditions with which they present to a medical practitioner. Period.

Michele Ko
SEPTEMBER 25, 2021
Thank you for speaking up on this topic. It was a very insightful, intelligent, unbiased article. I concur with the comments by our colleagues that children/adolescents (and even young adults) with immature frontal lobes should not be making life-altering, permanent decisions.

Dr. Anthony Ian Wilson
SEPTEMBER 25, 2021
During the last century many psychiatrists advocated physical treatment for psychological problems. The worst was pre frontal leucotomy. ECT - although it still has a very minor place as treatment now, was used for many conditions. Insulin shock therapy. Homosexuals were 'treated' by castration, Women preoccupied with sexual delusions were put into early menopause by irradiation or removal of the ovaries. I think that irreversible physical management for the psychiatric disorder of gender dysphoria will go the same way except for a very small minority who will take the decision for themselves when they are much older - I would say, certainly, when into their twenties.

Dr. Christopher Pickin
SEPTEMBER 24, 2021
What has gone so very wrong? Why is society and social media in particular promoting this craze for gender misidentity? Pre sexual teenagers are in a stage of flux and have no means of knowing about gender identity unless the idea is pushed at them by the crusaders at an age where most of us are unsure and a bit scared about sexuality. Younger than that and it is purely play acting and wholly open to extereior persuasion... you do not have the mechanisms for knowing how you will turn out. By definition, you are the gender dictated by your genes.. if you choose to live otherwise, that is fine... but your actual gender was fixed the moment you were conceived and will remain until you die... and into eternity if the archeologists ever get hold of you.

Dr. Judy Marvin
SEPTEMBER 23, 2021
Thank you Dr Malone for your thoughtful comments. I am an OBGYN and have had many conversations over the years with women considering sterilization. The data on sterilization suggests a high rate of regret when it is performed prior to the age of 25. We also discourage women from making a decision that permanently impacts their lives when they are actively suffering from anxiety or depression. That we would think that teenagers are in a good position to make a decision to permanently change the appearance and function of their body while suffering from anxiety, depression or simply the stressors of adolescence astonishes me.

Dr. Robert DILLARD
SEPTEMBER 23, 2021
A voice of reason. I already thought it bizarre that physicians bought into a disturbed teen girl fad and crazy parents actively creating a new style of Munchhausen by proxy abuse.

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What are some common endocrine disruptors?

Bisphenol A (BPA) — used to make polycarbonate plastics and epoxy resins, which are found in many plastic products including food storage containers
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How do people encounter endocrine-disrupting chemicals?

People may be exposed to endocrine disruptors through food and beverages consumed, pesticides applied, and cosmetics used. In essence, your contact with these chemicals may occur through diet, air, skin, and water.

Even low doses of endocrine-disrupting chemicals may be unsafe. The body’s normal endocrine functioning involves very small changes in hormone levels, yet we know even these small changes can cause significant developmental and biological effects. This observation leads scientists to think that endocrine-disrupting chemical exposures, even at low amounts, can alter the body’s sensitive systems and lead to health problems.

Researchers at the University of Copenhagen have found several hundred different chemical substances in tap water stored in reusable plastic bottles. Several of these substances are potentially harmful to human health. There is a need for better regulation and manufacturing standards for manufacturers, according to the chemists behind the study.

Have you ever experienced the strange taste of water after it has been in a reusable plastic bottle for a while? It appears that there is a solid, yet worrying reason for this.

Two chemists from the University of Copenhagen have studied which chemical substances are released into liquids by popular types of soft plastic reusable bottles. The results were quite a surprise.

"We were taken aback by the large amount of chemical substances we found in water after 24 hours in the bottles. There were hundreds of substances in the water -- including substances never before found in plastic, as well as substances that are potentially harmful to health. After a dishwasher cycle, there were several thousand," says Jan H. Christensen, Professor of Environmental Analytical Chemistry at the University of Copenhagen's Department of Plant and Environmental Sciences.

Endocrine disruptors and insecticide

Professor Christensen and fellow researcher Selina Tisler detected more than 400 different substances from the bottle plastic and over 3,500 substances derived from dishwasher soap. A large portion of these are unknown substances that the researchers have yet to identify. But even of the identified chemicals, the toxicity of at least 70 % remains unknown.

The paranoid commander’s fears about his fertility were easy to mock in 1964, when Kubrick’s film was first released. But the premise may be getting closer to reality with each passing day. In 2017, Shanna Swan of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York and Hagai Levine of Hadassah-Hebrew University in Jerusalem, along with six other researchers, estimated the average sperm count for 43,000 men in 55 countries across the world. The data, from 185 previously published studies, suggest that sperm counts fell by about 25% between 1973 and 2011 (see chart). But the academics performed a regression analysis that controlled for variation in the studies' sampling technique, their potential sample bias, the age of men and their level of abstinence before a sample was taken. They found that sperm counts had in fact fallen by about 50% in Western countries over the period. Although the data were less plentiful, similar trends were observed in developing countries, too.

Dr Swan's new book, “Count Down”, released earlier this year, investigates why this decline has occurred. The most likely culprit, she argues, is the proliferation of harmful chemicals such as bisphenol A (BPA)—which is most commonly found in household plastic goods. Humans’ endocrine systems, which produce hormones including testosterone and oestrogen, can be adversely affected by these chemicals. In some cases they reduce fertility among both men and women. One study, conducted in Boston, looked at nearly 500 young men who hoped to donate sperm. It found that the share of applicants who were sufficiently fertile to donate had fallen from 69% to 44% in the ten years to 2013.

@MaizyDaizyZzzz
Somebody needs to tell these girls it is OK to be a 'Tomboy'...

@DailyMailUK· 12 hrs ago.

5,500 children are now on NHS waiting list for gender swap treatment after post-lockdown surge in demand
https://trib.al/FHAtiy1

https://twitter.com/MaizyDaizyZzzz/stat ... 2775659522

[...] Just 138 children were referred for treatment in 2010/11. That had grown to 2,383 in 2020/21, a 17-fold increase.

At the start of the 2010s, the majority of children referred for treatment were male-born, but female-born patients now make up most of the caseload.

Reasons for that shift are not known, but some experts say that it is part of a wider mental health crisis among British girls, who are more likely to report anxiety, depression and self-harm than boys. [...]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ailymailUK

Brent A. Williams, MD
@BrentAWilliams2

1. Confuse children about gender
2. Create conditions for childhood anxiety
3. Broadly expand the definition of "gender dysphoria"
4. Identify and isolate the children that now have "gender dysphoria"
5. Insist that institutions "affirm" their dysphoria
6. Medicalize them

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/97 ... o_Mar#vp_2

News > Medscape Medical News

Doctors Have Failed Them, Say Those With Transgender Regret

Alicia Ault

March 14, 2022

Hopperreborn
@Hopper783
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Replying to @BrentAWilliams2

7. Encourage them to make life altering choices before they even reach puberty.
8. Tell them that permanently mangling their genitals will bring them the happiness they seek.

@JeffWellsRigInt

Gender identity strategy of tension has been a transhumanist pilot project.

7:54 pm. · 1 Apr. 2022

https://twitter.com/JeffWellsRigInt/sta ... 5561754632

DrEvil wrote:Women's rights strategy of tension has been a transhumanist pilot project.
Gay rights strategy of tension has been a transhumanist pilot project.

How is this any different? It's just another marginalized group of people going against the established "natural" order and breaking long-standing taboos in an effort to lead lives that makes sense to them. I realize it makes many people feel uncomfortable and weird, but that's just a sign you're getting old. You'll get used to it.

Transgendered people exist, and just like a kid can know they're gay, a kid can know they're trans.

There is no such thing as a "trans kid". The whole notion is contemptible bullshit and any politician who even pays lip service to it is a charlatan complicit in child abuse.

drstrangelove » Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:07 am wrote:If a ten year old boy can know they are a girl and take puberty blockers, then it follows that a ten year old boy can also know they are a fully grown man, and consent to sex with other fully grown men. Do you support age-fluidity? Or does it make you feel uncomfortable and weird?

DrEvil » Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:04 pm wrote:(before you ask - don't. It's none of your business)

DrEvil » Sat Apr 02, 2022 11:04 am wrote:My reply was mostly aimed at Mac's assertion that trans kids don't exist (which I should have said explicitly):

There is no such thing as a "trans kid". The whole notion is contemptible bullshit and any politician who even pays lip service to it is a charlatan complicit in child abuse.

.. which I know for a fact is wrong (before you ask - don't. It's none of your business).

DrEvil wrote:Other than that - so what if there's more trans kids than there used to be.

DrEvil wrote: Maybe it's to do with it now being more accepted and kids finally having the opportunity and vocabulary to describe how they feel and do something about it, despite your best efforts.

Elliot Page describes his [sic] joy at being able to attend the Oscars in a suit for the first time - after detailing 'pain' he felt at having to wear dresses on red carpet before coming out as transgender

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1509683488785670144/iI-jCV5Q?format=jpg&name=small
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/a ... enups.html