Belligerent Savant » Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:07 pm wrote:DrEvil » Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:24 pm wrote:BelSav wrote:It’s a mental disease. Millions are afflicted with it.
How very fascist of you.
You do realize that Gaza is extra-superduper fucked now that the evangelical right gets their say? It was Trump who recognized Jerusalem as the Jewish capital last time around.
Oh, and America isn't even close to the bottom. All things considered you're still doing better than almost everywhere else. Take a look at what's going on in Sudan to get some perspective.
There's nothing 'fascist' in calling out pathology. This may be another example of obtuse thinking, or perhaps simply dishonest/disingenuous rhetoric.
Yes there is. You're labeling millions of people as mentally ill because you disagree with them. That's straight out of the fascist playbook. You're doing the same thing you've spent the last four years accusing everyone else of.
The tribalism we've been witnessing these last few years is, indeed, a form of pathology. And it impacts those on the 'Right' as well of course, particularly those with delusions that Trump is any 'savior' or 'outsider'.
Calling out the 'Evangelical Right' as a threat in 2024 is to be fully out of touch with current political realities.
The evangelical right is probably Trump's most fervent believers, and he's going to throw them a bone or two, like he did last time with Roe v. Wade. It didn't affect you personally because you're a guy, but it took away the bodily autonomy of millions of women. Because of Trump and his evangelical buddies, there are thousands of American women (and children in some cases) being forced to give birth to their rapist's babies, and even more fun, in some states those rapists get parental rights. Yay! Double the trauma! That's not hyperbole, that's literally what is going on right now, but you're still obsessing over a one-time event that happened four years ago and impacted you personally.
What we have is a modern era iteration of the Military Industrial Complex, and they've -- clearly -- fully infiltrated BOTH political parties, but it's the current manifestation of the DEMOCRAT Party that is more brazenly overt about it, and worse, millions of the walking automatons that simply accept -- no, fervently support -- whatever their Party proclaims, do so with blinders on.
Demonstrably, the Dem Party is the more overtly HAWKISH/Pro-WAR Party (See CHENEY's recent inclusion) right now.
Many voted for Trump while 'holding their noses' in part because he indicated he would seek to avoid further aggressions overseas (putting aside any reality of de-escalations occurring, it was part of his campaign mantra).
And comparing America to Sudan as a direct comparison... please.
Not a direct comparison, an example of how bad things can actually get. However shit things feel over there right now, you still have it better than the vast majority of people.
I've traveled to MANY regions over the years. I have family in Latin America and Europe. Please DO NOT attempt to lecture me about quality of life in other countries.
There are MANY countries with as good or better quality of life than America right now.
But I live here in the U S., aim to stay here and clamor for a better iteration of our circumstances.
You, and those that comment and opine on these topics from afar (from another country) have far less, if any, 'skin in the game'.
So? I have family in the US, and I have American family here in Europe. I've got close family either in college or about to start, and I've spent about a year of my life in the US, both visiting and working, and I've traveled enough to have a good idea how good both you and I really have it. So yes, I do have skin in the game, because I don't want the lives of people I care about to get fucked over completely.
I think no other factor has been more powerful in steering the Democratic party (and the public mind) away from the politics of full employment and toward the "trickle-down" right. With the (assumed) dependency on campaign contributions from the financial elite, control by the financial elite is assured.
